Re: just fyi - libertarian Moslem group

[Travis]

Damn.  Libertarians got traitors in their midst too.  Muzzieshit
libertarians.  What a laugh.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Bruce Majors wrote:

>
> [8/22/10] The eighteenth in a series of Dr. Ahmad's notes from the IIIT
> summer institute on "Approaching the Qur'an and Sunnah" reports, on the
> presentation and discussion of Mohammad El-Sanousi's paper on "American
> Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through Accommodations."
>
> http://blog.minaret.org/?p=3703
>
> Minaret of Freedom Weblog
>
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>
> The Rituals of Khataman Al Qur’an in Indonesia | Home | Panel on Teaching
> Islam in American Universities
> August 22, 2010
> American Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through Accommodations
>
> NOTES FROM THE IIIT CONFERENCE ON APPROACHING THE QUR’AN AND SUNNAH #18
>
> [This is the eighteenth in a series of my notes on the International
> Institute of Islamic Thought conference on approaching the Qur'an and
> Sunnah held in Herndon, VA. These notes are raw material for an edited
> report I will write on the conference later and represent my perception of
> the discussion. The proceedings will be published by IIIT at a later time.
> The Minaret of Freedom Institute thanks IIIT for the grant that makes the
> publication of these notes possible. Responsibility for any errors in the
> notes is mine alone.]
>
> Session 18. Introduction by Yaqub Mirza
>
> Doctoral thesis presentation by Mohammad El-Sanousi
>
> “American Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through
> Accommodations”
>
> The dissertation deals with the disastrous consequences of the “Muslim
> Tablighi Jamaat of Arabi, Louisiana” opting out of insurance before
> Hurricane Katrina and the necessity of legal accommodations to allow them
> to obtain “Shariah-compliant” (takâful) insurance.
>
> The Hasidic Jews following Lobovich, mainly in Brooklyn, are similar to
> the Tablighi Jamaat in their isolation. I look at the history of insurance
> in America and the communitarian element. I look at the incompatibility of
> commercial insurance with “Shariah compliance” and the passage of the
> “Takaful Act.” I than ask what are the regulatory impediments. Insurance
> regulations are at the state level, which makes it easier to reform the
> system. The chapter on the legal structure is very lengthy and deals with
> religious freedom issues and the challenges of implementing the free
> exercise clause. There are legal accommodations, monetary accommodations,
> and permissive accommodations and limits on the accommodation. Despite
> these, we face implementation problems. I conclude that America is well
> prepared to accommodate religious groups of diverse traditions such as the
> Tablighi Jamaat.
>
> I am specifically asking for accommodation in state laws by the insurance
> interpreting the law to permit takâful or else for legislators to amend
> the laws accordingly.
>
> Hisham Altalib: Shariah has become a dirty word to the American public.
> What two sentences would you give the American public to reassure them?
>
> Senusi: They think Shariah is about beheadings and stoning—
>
> Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad: –and burkas!
>
> Senusi: Shariah should not be understood as something to be imposed on
> everybody. Even in the Muslim world there are many rights granted to
> people of other faiths.
>
> Aisha Musa: Newt Gingerich is asking for a federal law that would prohibit
> what you are asking for. Gingerich’s call has been roundly condemned, but
> do you see a danger they may succeed?
>
> Senusi: For a short while they will succeed, as they initially did against
> Islamic finance, but in the long run, because of the way this country is
> built, we will succeed. Not along ago I was asked would there ever be
> hijab the military, we have that right now.
>
> Ahmad: You should be more specific as to what the legal obstacles are and
> what is required to remedy them.
>
> Senusi: Letter 885 gives banks permission to engage in murâbiha or
> mudârabi.
>
> Mirza: Mutual banking is already allowed, we only need interpretation to
> allow the investments.
>
> Barzinji: This is as much a challenge for us as Muslims as to the states.
> We greatly admire the fact that we were given accommodation in financing
> homes Islamicly. I don’t see what changes are required. Is the only change
> needed to allow mutual banks to engage in professionally managed Shariah
> compliance financing? How can we do this without permitting reinsurance?
>
> Senusi: By law you must have auto insurance. Tablighi Jamaat take that,
> but not property and casualty, which are optional. In comparing the laws
> of Texas and Virginia, we find the former more difficult, so we should
> establish it first in Virginia. Their argument against insurance is that
> they must rely on Allah (tawâkul).
>
> Ayoub: In what way is insurance any less compliant with Shariah than going
> to a doctor?
>
> Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Ph.D.
> Minaret of Freedom Institute
> www.minaret.org
>
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> 

just fyi - libertarian Moslem group

[Bruce Majors]

[8/22/10] The eighteenth in a series of Dr. Ahmad's notes from the IIIT
summer institute on "Approaching the Qur'an and Sunnah" reports, on the
presentation and discussion of Mohammad El-Sanousi's paper on "American
Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through Accommodations."

http://blog.minaret.org/?p=3703

Minaret of Freedom Weblog

* archives

The Rituals of Khataman Al Qur’an in Indonesia | Home | Panel on Teaching
Islam in American Universities
August 22, 2010
American Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through Accommodations

NOTES FROM THE IIIT CONFERENCE ON APPROACHING THE QUR’AN AND SUNNAH #18

[This is the eighteenth in a series of my notes on the International
Institute of Islamic Thought conference on approaching the Qur'an and
Sunnah held in Herndon, VA. These notes are raw material for an edited
report I will write on the conference later and represent my perception of
the discussion. The proceedings will be published by IIIT at a later time.
The Minaret of Freedom Institute thanks IIIT for the grant that makes the
publication of these notes possible. Responsibility for any errors in the
notes is mine alone.]

Session 18. Introduction by Yaqub Mirza

Doctoral thesis presentation by Mohammad El-Sanousi

“American Law: Integrating Ultra-Traditional Muslims Through
Accommodations”

The dissertation deals with the disastrous consequences of the “Muslim
Tablighi Jamaat of Arabi, Louisiana” opting out of insurance before
Hurricane Katrina and the necessity of legal accommodations to allow them
to obtain “Shariah-compliant” (takâful) insurance.

The Hasidic Jews following Lobovich, mainly in Brooklyn, are similar to
the Tablighi Jamaat in their isolation. I look at the history of insurance
in America and the communitarian element. I look at the incompatibility of
commercial insurance with “Shariah compliance” and the passage of the
“Takaful Act.” I than ask what are the regulatory impediments. Insurance
regulations are at the state level, which makes it easier to reform the
system. The chapter on the legal structure is very lengthy and deals with
religious freedom issues and the challenges of implementing the free
exercise clause. There are legal accommodations, monetary accommodations,
and permissive accommodations and limits on the accommodation. Despite
these, we face implementation problems. I conclude that America is well
prepared to accommodate religious groups of diverse traditions such as the
Tablighi Jamaat.

I am specifically asking for accommodation in state laws by the insurance
interpreting the law to permit takâful or else for legislators to amend
the laws accordingly.

Hisham Altalib: Shariah has become a dirty word to the American public.
What two sentences would you give the American public to reassure them?

Senusi: They think Shariah is about beheadings and stoning—

Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad: –and burkas!

Senusi: Shariah should not be understood as something to be imposed on
everybody. Even in the Muslim world there are many rights granted to
people of other faiths.

Aisha Musa: Newt Gingerich is asking for a federal law that would prohibit
what you are asking for. Gingerich’s call has been roundly condemned, but
do you see a danger they may succeed?

Senusi: For a short while they will succeed, as they initially did against
Islamic finance, but in the long run, because of the way this country is
built, we will succeed. Not along ago I was asked would there ever be
hijab the military, we have that right now.

Ahmad: You should be more specific as to what the legal obstacles are and
what is required to remedy them.

Senusi: Letter 885 gives banks permission to engage in murâbiha or
mudârabi.

Mirza: Mutual banking is already allowed, we only need interpretation to
allow the investments.

Barzinji: This is as much a challenge for us as Muslims as to the states.
We greatly admire the fact that we were given accommodation in financing
homes Islamicly. I don’t see what changes are required. Is the only change
needed to allow mutual banks to engage in professionally managed Shariah
compliance financing? How can we do this without permitting reinsurance?

Senusi: By law you must have auto insurance. Tablighi Jamaat take that,
but not property and casualty, which are optional. In comparing the laws
of Texas and Virginia, we find the former more difficult, so we should
establish it first in Virginia. Their argument against insurance is that
they must rely on Allah (tawâkul).

Ayoub: In what way is insurance any less compliant with Shariah than going
to a doctor?

Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Ph.D.
Minaret of Freedom Institute
www.minaret.org

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