Re: [polyml] PolyML.pointerEq
On 30/01/14 11:03, David Matthews wrote: ... The only safe way to maintain identity of cells is to use a counter or a ref. An alternative to a ref is to use a locally generated exception and this may be more efficient than a ref. As a work-around to avoid the problem with duplication in the multi-threaded collector you could force it to be single-threaded with --gcthreads=1. Thanks, that makes things very clear. I've been using the workaround successfully for several days now and I'll report the problem to the HOL bug tracker to allow something more permanent to be sorted out. Brian ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [polyml] PolyML.pointerEq
On 30/01/2014 11:40, Makarius wrote: The puristic approach to structutal equality in SML turns out as a benefit these days, when the system runs with loosened brakes on multicore hardware. Neither the JVM nor OCaml could afford that (but I think Haskell / GHC does). The measurements I did suggested that using the relaxed consistency in the GC did not make an appreciable difference. However, I would expect that in the future it would help. Using an atomic test-and-set requires a system-wide hardware lock and it seems better to do that only for mutable data rather than when each immutable cell is copied. I did not know about the unique status of locally generated exceptions yet. Does the SML standard actually say anything about exception equality? Would you recommend that as a practical approach? It seems to be a candidate for incompatibilities between non-equal SMLs. Type exn is not an equality type but it is possible to detect "equality" using pattern matching. > fun f () = let exception e in (e, fn e => true | _ => false) end; val f = fn: unit -> exn * (exn -> bool) > val (a, tstA) = f() and (b, tstB) = f(); val a = e: exn val b = e: exn val tstA = fn: exn -> bool val tstB = fn: exn -> bool > tstA a; val it = true: bool > tstA b; val it = false: bool > tstB a; val it = false: bool > tstB b; val it = true: bool > Actually, I had another look at the code and it doesn't seem as though there is any advantage in using an exception rather than a ref. Exceptions are actually represented by refs but I had a feeling that they might be marked as "byte references" which would have reduced the overhead during garbage collection. Using a counter (i.e. using an immutable int) is better still. David ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml
Re: [polyml] PolyML.pointerEq
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, David Matthews wrote: The intention of PolyML.pointerEq is that if pointerEq(x, y) is true then x = y will be true, assuming the type of x and y admits equality. It is really intended for use where a user function wants to test for equality in some general sense and knowing that actually the values are the same pointer can short circuit the process. The only safe way to maintain identity of cells is to use a counter or a ref. An alternative to a ref is to use a locally generated exception and this may be more efficient than a ref. As a work-around to avoid the problem with duplication in the multi-threaded collector you could force it to be single-threaded with --gcthreads=1. Thank you for the nice explanations, and the implementation behind it. The puristic approach to structutal equality in SML turns out as a benefit these days, when the system runs with loosened brakes on multicore hardware. Neither the JVM nor OCaml could afford that (but I think Haskell / GHC does). I did not know about the unique status of locally generated exceptions yet. Does the SML standard actually say anything about exception equality? Would you recommend that as a practical approach? It seems to be a candidate for incompatibilities between non-equal SMLs. In Isabelle/ML we had unit ref as "stamp" over many years, but we now do it in a fairly standard way via some global (synchronized) counter: http://isabelle.in.tum.de/repos/isabelle/file/Isabelle2013-2/src/Pure/ML-Systems/multithreading_polyml.ML#l177 This involves some overhead to create a fresh item, but later comparisons are pure, and there is also a conical time-stamp order on it. Makarius ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml
Re: [polyml] PolyML.pointerEq
Brian, The intention of PolyML.pointerEq is that if pointerEq(x, y) is true then x = y will be true, assuming the type of x and y admits equality. It is really intended for use where a user function wants to test for equality in some general sense and knowing that actually the values are the same pointer can short circuit the process. Poly/ML only guarantees to maintain the ML equality property i.e. pointer equality for mutable values (refs and arrays) and value equality for immutable data. For example, the compiler may optimise tuple creation so it is quite likely that what may appear to be a single value with a clear point of creation is actually optimised away or results in more than one piece of memory being allocated. The present garbage collector has two different operations that may affect pointer equality. The minor collector copies cells out of the allocation area. For mutable data it uses an atomic test-and-set that guarantees that if two different GC threads copy the cell only one copy will be made. This is not used for immutable data to reduce the need for bus locking and so there is a finite chance that a cell will be duplicated. Also the major collection can activate a sharing pass that merges cells with the same contents resulting in pointer equality being true where it previously wasn't. The only safe way to maintain identity of cells is to use a counter or a ref. An alternative to a ref is to use a locally generated exception and this may be more efficient than a ref. As a work-around to avoid the problem with duplication in the multi-threaded collector you could force it to be single-threaded with --gcthreads=1. David On 29/01/2014 15:51, Brian Campbell wrote: What semantics, if any, does PolyML.pointerEq have? In particular, is it supposed to be guaranteed that if pointerEq (x,y) is true, then it will remain true after GC? My reason for asking is that I've been having trouble with assertion failures in HOL when reducing large terms. The assertions check that the left hand side of the conclusions of two theorem objects are equal according to pointerEq, because this allows a fast comparison that "should" always be true if the theorem is manipulated carefully. I'm fairly certain the assertion failures are related to GC: they are non-deterministic on code that ought to be deterministic, and vary in frequency across different machines. (I haven't seen it at all on a 4GB 32-bit machine, rarely on 4GB 64-bit, often on the 8GB I normally use and infrequently on a compute server with much more.) There's no sign of any data corruption, however. Brian ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml
[polyml] PolyML.pointerEq
What semantics, if any, does PolyML.pointerEq have? In particular, is it supposed to be guaranteed that if pointerEq (x,y) is true, then it will remain true after GC? My reason for asking is that I've been having trouble with assertion failures in HOL when reducing large terms. The assertions check that the left hand side of the conclusions of two theorem objects are equal according to pointerEq, because this allows a fast comparison that "should" always be true if the theorem is manipulated carefully. I'm fairly certain the assertion failures are related to GC: they are non-deterministic on code that ought to be deterministic, and vary in frequency across different machines. (I haven't seen it at all on a 4GB 32-bit machine, rarely on 4GB 64-bit, often on the 8GB I normally use and infrequently on a compute server with much more.) There's no sign of any data corruption, however. Brian ___ polyml mailing list polyml@inf.ed.ac.uk http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/polyml -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
