WG: Port for portsu (port management utility)

2011-03-07 Thread david.rupprech...@dotlike.net
Hello,

may i ask someone with CVS-access to test and put 
www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz on CVS?
Thanks a lot.

David Rupprechter

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Sry the link was jumbled up...

Here it is again: www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz



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Hello,

as requested i have created a port for Portsu!
Link: 
www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gzhttp://www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz

In the next weeks there will be some sourcecode-improvements.
Because of Marc´s feedback the upcoming version of portsu will eventually use 
sqlports.

Thanks for feedback!



Re: WG: Port for portsu (port management utility)

2011-03-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi David,

 may i ask someone with CVS-access to test and put
 www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz on CVS?

I doubt that makes any sense.
If functionality is missing in the standard tools,
they should be improved.
In fact, that happens all the time.

I also doubt that auditing newbie code attempting to rewrite
basic infrastructure is worth the time spent - time is better
spent on small patches written with an understanding of what
already exists.

Wrappers are the wrong approach, or we will end up in the
Debian corner with five tools, but not a single one of them
feature-complete.  Usability nightmares are likely to ensue.

Yours,
  Ingo

... and regarding ports, now back to lurking ...



Re: WG: Port for portsu (port management utility)

2011-03-07 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:58:32AM +0100, david.rupprech...@dotlike.net wrote:
 Hello,
 
 may i ask someone with CVS-access to test and put 
 www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz on CVS?
 Thanks a lot.

Look, just because there is a bit of constructive criticism in my emails
doesn't mean that I agree with what you're trying to do.

First, I don't see any interesting features in your code.

Second, you're writing a tool in a compiled language, something the basic
infrastructure tries very hard to avoid, because it's so much simpler to
have scripts you don't need to compile (and they're easier to look at).

Also, your basic code is quite crappy. And rather long. And duplicates a lot
of things we are doing.

So, if you want to keep playing and improving your programming skills, and
heck discovering a bit of OpenBSD by doing that stuff, that's fine. It's your
time, and you can have fun with it.

But don't have any expectations as far as getting stuff into the official
tree. Ingo pointed out why tools that go in opposite direction to the
official work are a very bad idea. That, and the current subpar quality of
your code mean you're a long way away from contributing to the project.

By all means, don't get discouraged and keep learning.

I think it's nice that people experiment and try new stuff. Just don't
expect your first attempts to be picked up.



Re: WG: Port for portsu (port management utility)

2011-03-07 Thread david.rupprech...@dotlike.net
Hello,

Well that ´s version 0.1 of the code. New features will be added in the next 
version. Please tell me if you have ideas for features which should be included 
in the next version.
The code will be cleaned up and improved in the next weeks...

I will come back with version 0.2 soon with cleaned up code and new features. 
Eventually portsu will then find a place in the official tree.

Thanks 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: owner-po...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-po...@openbsd.org] Im Auftrag von 
Marc Espie
Gesendet: Montag, 7. März 2011 12:49
An: ports@openbsd.org
Betreff: Re: WG: Port for portsu (port management utility)

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:58:32AM +0100, david.rupprech...@dotlike.net wrote:
 Hello,
 
 may i ask someone with CVS-access to test and put 
 www.dotlike.net/ddl/releases/portsu-0.1-port.tar.gz on CVS?
 Thanks a lot.

Look, just because there is a bit of constructive criticism in my emails 
doesn't mean that I agree with what you're trying to do.

First, I don't see any interesting features in your code.

Second, you're writing a tool in a compiled language, something the basic 
infrastructure tries very hard to avoid, because it's so much simpler to have 
scripts you don't need to compile (and they're easier to look at).

Also, your basic code is quite crappy. And rather long. And duplicates a lot of 
things we are doing.

So, if you want to keep playing and improving your programming skills, and heck 
discovering a bit of OpenBSD by doing that stuff, that's fine. It's your time, 
and you can have fun with it.

But don't have any expectations as far as getting stuff into the official tree. 
Ingo pointed out why tools that go in opposite direction to the official work 
are a very bad idea. That, and the current subpar quality of your code mean 
you're a long way away from contributing to the project.

By all means, don't get discouraged and keep learning.

I think it's nice that people experiment and try new stuff. Just don't expect 
your first attempts to be picked up.