Re: Der Bingle
I'm with brother Cantwell on this, have been ever since Merle Haggard cited Der Bingle as one of the most influential singers in the history of country music and one of his favoritest. Jon Weisberger I'm really glad you brought this up because just last week I was listening to Merle's Jimmie Rodgers tribute LP, and it occurred to me that Merle's phrasing kinda sounded like the Binger. So, I suppose the next question is: Has Merle ever covered a song associated with Crosby? And didn't Crosby record some tracks with Louis Armstrong in the 20's or 30's? Lance . . .
Re: Der Bingle
In a message dated 4/20/99 12:21:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And didn't Crosby record some tracks with Louis Armstrong in the 20's or 30's? There was a real nice Crosby compilation out last year which contained a few tracks with Armstrong. It is a nice package and well worth having as an early retrospective on Bing's work. It's in storage in Atlanta so I don't have any details. Sorry. Slim
Re: Der Bingle
At 11:47 AM 4/20/99 -0500, Lance asked: And didn't Crosby record some tracks with Louis Armstrong in the 20's or 30's? I don't believe so (I say very cautiously). I THINK their first studio recordings were their April 25, 1951 recordings of "Gone Fishin'" (a live version of this appears on the MCA Bing box) and "Old Soldiers Never Die." Live struff, of course, is another matter. maybe this is right --david cantwell PS: Bing recorded two sides, My Baby Said Yes and something else I forget, with Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five in 1944.
Re: Der Bingle
PS: Bing recorded two sides, My Baby Said Yes and something else I forget, with Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five in 1944. David Cantwell Yep, and to cycle this thread backwards, Jordan also recorded with Mr. Armstrong in 1932 on the "Medley of Armstrong Hits." Now, if I find out that Jordan recorded with Jimmie Rodgers I think my head is gonna do that Scanners thing g. Lance, choo choo ch'boogiein' to class . . .
Re: Der Bingle
I'm really glad you brought this up because just last week I was listening to Merle's Jimmie Rodgers tribute LP, and it occurred to me that Merle's phrasing kinda sounded like the Binger. So, I suppose the next question is: Has Merle ever covered a song associated with Crosby? Pennies from Heaven is a song the Hag does. Its on his "Out Among the Stars" LP. He also does the song is concert some. I think Crosby did this one. Stick
Re: Der Bingle
According to the Bing Crosby Discography at http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/pennvalley/Biology/lewis/crosby/disco.htm Louis Armstrong and Bing Crosby had a long professional relationship, starting in the 1936 with their recording "Pennies from Heaven" (listed as Frances Langford, Louis Armstrong, Jimmy Dorsey Orchestra) and continuing through 1960 (recordings with the Billy May Orchestra and Louis Armstrong). Who else can claim to have recorded with Paul Whiteman and David Bowie? The two tracks Crosby recorded with Grady Martin, "Just a Little Lovin' " and "Till the End of the World", can be found on AWAY BACK WEST AGAIN (Collector Series) 1939-up Volumes 20 and 87 by the American Gramophone Wireless Co. (see http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/cbackwest.htm for more details). -B "such a nerd, you wouldn't believe it" B-
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Thanks Brad! I didn't know about the '36 Louis/Bing deal that Lance had suggested was out there. I wonder if it's not from the film of that same year (Pennies From Heaven), which starred both Bing and Louis. But then why would it be listed as Frances Langford..? I dunno... --david cantwell
Re: Der Bingle
At 06:08 PM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote: why choose Bing over Frank then?? Just wondering how your logic works . . This is a good question, James--and I also appreciate that you at least assume I have a logic to work g. I wouldn't necessarily say that Bing's influence has stretched further into the future than Frank's but I'd argue that BC's initial contributions, which of course allowed for Frank's later elaborations, were more significant. Bing created new ways of singing that, first off, allowed the singer to swing (and here Bing's vocals were influenced by Satchmo's playing, of course) and second, that were conversational and intimate, two things that had not really existed, in the era of Jolsen and Cantor, before the old groaner's innovations. Sinatra greatly refined those techniques, to be sure, but he didn't come up with entirely new ones, as Bing had. Also, I'd argue that Bing's musical influence reached outside the pop music of his day, which went until I was a kid don't forget. For one example, without Crosby's style of singing it's hard to imagine the Tommy Duncan, Gene Autry, Red Foley, Jim Reeves, George Morgan or Eddy Arnold that we all (?) love so dearly. Similarly, Bing also had a great influence on musical theater. Sinatra's specific influence didn't cross boundaries so much, not even to the stage where again he just continued what Bing had started, and when it did it was perhaps more in swagger than anything else. I don't know if that makes a case or not, but that's the, uh, "logic." You know, I think I'd nominate ol' Cros' as THE performer of the century, even before Elvis. What I mean by that is that, for one thing, he was the one who first most widely employed the concept of a public persona that became identifiable with the man--that in fact made it hard to distinguish between the man and the entertainer (see writers Gary Giddens and Will Freidwald for elaborations on this point). He was also one of the first to go multi-media as a hugely successful film/radio star. Our entire century of celebrity has, in the decades since, been built upon these two strategies, all the way from, uh, Sinatra and Elvis on up to Madonna and Tupac. --david cantwell
RE: Der Bingle
I'm with brother Cantwell on this, have been ever since Merle Haggard cited Der Bingle as one of the most influential singers in the history of country music and one of his favoritest. Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
