[pfx] Re: postfix repo
* Peter via Postfix-users [240117 04:57]: > On 16/01/24 17:26, Scott Kitterman via Postfix-users wrote: > > same work? At any rate, it's really up to someone in the Debian community > to step up and do that, and I'm not trying to volunteer you for the job, it Scott is an official Debian Developer, and has done most of the (official Debian) postfix package uploads since 2016. I mistakenly thought he was the maintainer of record, but that appears to be LaMont Jones. Thank you also, LaMont! So, Scott is already one of the volunteers doing this, and he does a remarkable job of keeping both stable and unstable packages in sync with the official Postfix sources. ...Marvin ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
On 16/01/24 17:26, Scott Kitterman via Postfix-users wrote: As many are aware Ghettoforge builds these for EL. To me the simplest way for Debian and other distros is for a community member to take up the mantle and build Postfix in a similar way. It's not that difficult to do and it puts the responsibility on someone who is genuinely interested in that particular platform instead of putting the responsibility on Wietse to try to build binary rpms for every distro under the sun. You can actually install RPMs on Debian systems, but it would be a pretty unusual way to go about things. The reverse is also possible (installing debian packages on an RPM-based distro) but I really don't recommend it (in either direction) as it fails to take into account differences in the distributions themselves. Dependencies are named differently, and postfix will be built with different library versions or different libraries entirely (e.g. you may be trying to install a postfix built against openssl 3.0 on a system that has openssl 1.1 and it would likely fail spectacularly). In fact you would see this exact issue if you tried to install the postfix built for EL9 onto EL7. I think for almost every one, the Debian stable updates that we provide should be sufficient. For those that actually need the latest release, it's trivial to grab the Debianized source from a later release and build it for an earlier release. Coming from the Red Hat side of things I doubt it's any more difficult to build for Debian than it is for Red Hat based systems, but even so I would argue that if one person is going to go to the work to do that why not share it with everyone else so that multiple people don't have to re-produce the same work? At any rate, it's really up to someone in the Debian community to step up and do that, and I'm not trying to volunteer you for the job, it could be anyone, even someone who doesn't know much about packaging could take it as a good learning opportunity and Postfix is one of the easier programs to build in my experience. Peter ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
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Many thanks, Scott, for keeping the official Debian postfix packages up-to-date. It is very much appreciated by me and, I am sure, by many others. ...Marvin ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
On January 16, 2024 3:11:37 AM UTC, Peter via Postfix-users wrote: >On 12/01/24 04:08, Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote: >> Viktor Dukhovni via Postfix-users: >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 03:53:35PM +0100, natan via Postfix-users wrote: Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot has for his relase ? >>> >>> What is a "Postfix repo for Debian"? Do you mean binary release >>> packages? What's wrong with the packages from the Debian maintainers? >> >> If he means Postfix distributing BINARY packages for Debian, RedHat, >> *BSD, and so on, then I do not expect that to happen. > >As many are aware Ghettoforge builds these for EL. To me the simplest way for >Debian and other distros is for a community member to take up the mantle and >build Postfix in a similar way. It's not that difficult to do and it puts the >responsibility on someone who is genuinely interested in that particular >platform instead of putting the responsibility on Wietse to try to build >binary rpms for every distro under the sun. > You can actually install RPMs on Debian systems, but it would be a pretty unusual way to go about things. I think for almost every one, the Debian stable updates that we provide should be sufficient. For those that actually need the latest release, it's trivial to grab the Debianized source from a later release and build it for an earlier release. Scott K ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
On 12/01/24 04:08, Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote: Viktor Dukhovni via Postfix-users: On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 03:53:35PM +0100, natan via Postfix-users wrote: Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot has for his relase ? What is a "Postfix repo for Debian"? Do you mean binary release packages? What's wrong with the packages from the Debian maintainers? If he means Postfix distributing BINARY packages for Debian, RedHat, *BSD, and so on, then I do not expect that to happen. As many are aware Ghettoforge builds these for EL. To me the simplest way for Debian and other distros is for a community member to take up the mantle and build Postfix in a similar way. It's not that difficult to do and it puts the responsibility on someone who is genuinely interested in that particular platform instead of putting the responsibility on Wietse to try to build binary rpms for every distro under the sun. Peter ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
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* Viktor Dukhovni via Postfix-users: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 07:29:40PM +0100, Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users > wrote: > >> so next is gentoo ebuilds ? :) > > No. There is no Postfix binary release build farm, and nobody has > volunteered to coördinate binary release engineering at the Postfix > project level for all supported platforms. It's a nonsensical remark by B.P. anyway. Official Gentoo ebuilds for Postfix exist, as they have for many years. This includes both stable and experimental Postfix releases (versions 3.8.4 and 3.9_pre20240109 at the time of me writing this). These ebuilds are very well maintained and usually follow Wietse's releases within 1-3 days. Let's also not forget that Gentoo Linux is a source-based distribution anyway. -Ralph ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 07:29:40PM +0100, Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users wrote: > Wietse Venema via Postfix-users skrev den 2024-01-11 15:56: > > natan via Postfix-users: > > > Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like > > > dovecot has for his relase ? > > > > > > I'm asking by the way > > > > Yes. It will happen some time. > > so next is gentoo ebuilds ? :) No. There is no Postfix binary release build farm, and nobody has volunteered to coördinate binary release engineering at the Postfix project level for all supported platforms. Since there are existing actively maintained Postfix packages for most if not all platforms of interest, it is rather unclear what the point would be of centralising the package builds. -- Viktor. ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
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Wietse Venema via Postfix-users skrev den 2024-01-11 15:56: natan via Postfix-users: Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot has for his relase ? I'm asking by the way Yes. It will happen some time. so next is gentoo ebuilds ? :) ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
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On January 11, 2024 2:53:35 PM UTC, natan via Postfix-users wrote: >Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot >has for his relase ? > >I'm asking by the way Current postfix updates for supported Debian releases are available through Debian: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2023/12/msg4.html Scott K ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
Viktor Dukhovni via Postfix-users: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 03:53:35PM +0100, natan via Postfix-users wrote: > > Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot > > has for his relase ? > > > > What is a "Postfix repo for Debian"? Do you mean binary release > packages? What's wrong with the packages from the Debian maintainers? If he means Postfix distributing BINARY packages for Debian, RedHat, *BSD, and so on, then I do not expect that to happen. Wietse ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 03:53:35PM +0100, natan via Postfix-users wrote: > Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like dovecot > has for his relase ? > What is a "Postfix repo for Debian"? Do you mean binary release packages? What's wrong with the packages from the Debian maintainers? -- Viktor. ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
[pfx] Re: postfix repo
natan via Postfix-users: > Hi Wietse Have you thought about postfix repo for Debian, just like > dovecot has for his relase ? > > I'm asking by the way Yes. It will happen some time. Wietse ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
