Re: Bcc field not transmitted to applicative layer

2012-06-20 Thread Larry Stone 

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Wael MANAI wrote:


I read the thread but I don't understand if it's possible to have Bcc
parameter in the header of the message.


You do understand that the B in BCC means BLIND, right? It wouldn't be 
very blind if the BCC information were included in the message data.


The purpose of BCC is to send a copy to the BCC recipients without there 
by anything in the message data (note that message headers are part of the 
message data as far as SMTP is concerned) to indicate that a copy was sent 
to the BCC recipients. To do otherwise would fundamentally break the 
definition of BCC.


(perhaps part of the problem is younger folk, rarely if ever exposed to 
traditional office paper communications, are not familiar with why the 
term is "carbon copy", when "blind carbon copies" were used, and perhaps 
have never even seen carbon paper)


-- Larry Stone
   lston...@stonejongleux.com

Re: Bcc field not transmitted to applicative layer

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald 


Am 20.06.2012 15:57, schrieb Wael MANAI:
> I read the thread but I don't understand if it's possible to have Bcc 
> parameter in the header of the message.

no because BCC is never in the headers
this would break BCC per definition what BCC is



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Re: Bcc field not transmitted to applicative layer

2012-06-20 Thread Wael MANAI 
I read the thread but I don't understand if it's possible to have Bcc
parameter in the header of the message.
Here is an extract of the message sent (wireshark tcp stream):

220 relay.com ESMTP Postfix (2.8.7)
EHLO origin.gprs
250-relay.com
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 1024
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250 DSN
MAIL FROM:<+33612345678/TYPE=p...@origin.gprs>
250 2.1.0 Ok
RCPT TO:<+21612234578/TYPE=p...@relay.com>
250 2.1.5 Ok
DATA
354 End data with .
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:50:45
Subject: Test MMS Hub mode  num 1
X-Mms-3GPP-MMS-Version: 5.3.0
X-Mms-Message-Type: MM4_forward.REQ
X-Mms-Transaction-ID: "20110418.18.2C2BFBCA-p33617554874-584465"
X-Mms-Message-ID: "20110418.18.2C2BFBCA@192.168.0.4-584465"
Bcc: +21612234578/TYPE=PLMN
From:+33612345678/TYPE=PLMN
X-Mms-Originator-System: system-u...@origin.gprs
Sender: +33612345678/TYPE=p...@origin.gprs
X-Mms-Priority: High
X-Mms-Ack-Request: Yes
X-Mms-Delivery-Report: No
X-Mms-Read-Reply: No
Message-ID: 
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:33:41 +0100
Content-Type: multipart/related; start="<4B9FC4C2.smil>"; 
type="application/smil"; boundary="---mime-boundary-7E23F647.5E4F1808"


and Here is the output pipe data:

Return-Path: <+33617554874/TYPE=p...@origin.gprs>
Received: from mms.sfr.fr (mms1.halys.fr [192.168.0.80])
by mms-exchange.opentransit.grx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0504612000B
for <+21623012769/TYPE=p...@mms-exchange.opentransit.grx>; Wed, 20 Jun 
2012 15:50:45 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:50:45
Subject: Test MMS Hub mode  num 1
X-Mms-3GPP-MMS-Version: 5.3.0
X-Mms-Message-Type: MM4_forward.REQ
X-Mms-Transaction-ID: "20110418.18.2C2BFBCA-p33617554874-584465"
X-Mms-Message-ID: "20110418.18.2C2BFBCA@192.168.0.4-584465"
From: +33617554874/TYPE=PLMN
X-Mms-Originator-System: system-u...@origin.gprs
Sender: +33617554874/TYPE=p...@origin.gprs
X-Mms-Priority: High
X-Mms-Ack-Request: Yes
X-Mms-Delivery-Report: No
X-Mms-Read-Reply: No
Message-ID: 
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:33:41 +0100
Content-Type: multipart/related; start="<4B9FC4C2.smil>"; 
type="application/smil"; boundary="---mime-boundary-7E23F647.5E4F1808"


And as you can see the Bcc is missing...

Le mercredi 20 juin 2012 à 09:17 -0400, Wietse Venema a écrit :

> Wael MANAI:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I use Postfix in MMS sending/receiving and some MMS can contain Bcc
> > parameter. I have configured Postfix to send all the messages to an
> > external program (using pipe mechanism) which treat the MMS. The problem
> > is when the MMS sent has one or more Bcc, Postfix delete them (pipe
> > output data do not have Bcc).
> > Is there a way to configure Postfix to leave the Bcc in the message?
> 
> See yesterday's thread titled "Retaining BCC in Pipe".
> 
>   Wietse

Re: Bcc field not transmitted to applicative layer

2012-06-20 Thread Wietse Venema 
Wael MANAI:
> Hi,
> 
> I use Postfix in MMS sending/receiving and some MMS can contain Bcc
> parameter. I have configured Postfix to send all the messages to an
> external program (using pipe mechanism) which treat the MMS. The problem
> is when the MMS sent has one or more Bcc, Postfix delete them (pipe
> output data do not have Bcc).
> Is there a way to configure Postfix to leave the Bcc in the message?

See yesterday's thread titled "Retaining BCC in Pipe".

Wietse

Bcc field not transmitted to applicative layer

2012-06-20 Thread Wael MANAI 
Hi,

I use Postfix in MMS sending/receiving and some MMS can contain Bcc
parameter. I have configured Postfix to send all the messages to an
external program (using pipe mechanism) which treat the MMS. The problem
is when the MMS sent has one or more Bcc, Postfix delete them (pipe
output data do not have Bcc).
Is there a way to configure Postfix to leave the Bcc in the message?

BR