Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:38:23PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Viktor Dukhovni :
> > On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > 
> > > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to 
> > > work
> > > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within 
> > > minutes.
> > 
> > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> > 
> > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> > 
> > You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> > that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.
> 
> That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!

Postfix v3 is in the ghettoforge repository and has been for some time.

pkgs.org would have shown these packages available.

http://ghettoforge.org for more information.

PS.

Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.





John
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Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 01:43:12PM -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:

> Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.

What's right for one isn't always what's right for all.

-- 
Viktor.


Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 06:43:40PM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:38:23PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> 
> > * Viktor Dukhovni :
> > > On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > > 
> > > > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need 
> > > > to work
> > > > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within 
> > > > minutes.
> > > 
> > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> > > 
> > > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> > > 
> > > You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> > > that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.
> > 
> > That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!
> 
> What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
> started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
> databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
> supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
> not, they probably should.
> 
> Who's the Fedora Postfix maintainer these days?  

jskar...@redhat.com




John

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Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread Steve Jenkins
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.


...because ?


Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 04:50:42PM -0700, Steve Jenkins wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
> 
> > Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.
> 
> ...because ?

We don't need to go there...  Different strokes for different folks.

-- 
Viktor.


Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 Thread Steve Jenkins
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Viktor Dukhovni 
wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 04:50:42PM -0700, Steve Jenkins wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.
> >
> > ...because ?
>
> We don't need to go there...  Different strokes for different folks.


That's fine. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, or even be contrary. My
question was sincere as I'm always interested in learning. If there are
valid reasons why one should completely avoid building Postfix from source
on RHEL and/or any other platform (aside from voiding RedHat service
contracts, which I don't care about), I'd love to carefully consider those
reasons. Perhaps it would change my mind. If the reasons are
Postfix-specific, then it's possible this list is the right place to
discuss it.

But if they're not, and this is John's opinion about compiling ANY source
code vs. rolling your own, this list is NOT the right place to discuss it,
and I'll be grateful if John contacted me off-list with his thoughts.

SJ


Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-07 Thread Peter
On 09/06/2015 02:47 PM, Steve Jenkins wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Viktor Dukhovni
> That's fine. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, or even be contrary. My
> question was sincere as I'm always interested in learning. If there are
> valid reasons why one should completely avoid building Postfix from
> source on RHEL and/or any other platform (aside from voiding RedHat
> service contracts, which I don't care about), I'd love to carefully
> consider those reasons. Perhaps it would change my mind. If the reasons
> are Postfix-specific, then it's possible this list is the right place to
> discuss it.
> 
> But if they're not, and this is John's opinion about compiling ANY
> source code vs. rolling your own, this list is NOT the right place to
> discuss it, and I'll be grateful if John contacted me off-list with his
> thoughts.

There are genuine reasons, but if you want to discuss them then join
#centos on irc.freenode.org and someone will be happy to explain it to you.

The packages in ghettoforge are mine, I highly recommend them as a much
better alternative to compiling your own.


Peter