What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Carlos Williams
I am getting a report from someone on my network that they are getting
delivery failures when attempting to send an email from my Postfix
server to the remote mail server. I see  the message stuck on my
Postfix servers queue:

CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
   (connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)
 b...@premore.net

I am guessing that this is a problem with the remote mail server
'a.mx.premore.net' since my server is sending and receiving email just
fine to every other destination. I then decided to do a MX lookup for
this domain premore.net  see if there is anything wrong:

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;premore.net.   IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
premore.net.3093IN  MX  0 a.mx.premore.net.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
a.mx.premore.net.   3093IN  A   198.186.193.20

However my mail server wont send to this destination address and I
have no idea why. Can someone tell me how I can better examine this
situation to understand where the fault lies.

Thank you!


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Eero Volotinen

Carlos Williams wrote:


CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
   (connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)



However my mail server wont send to this destination address and I
have no idea why. Can someone tell me how I can better examine this
situation to understand where the fault lies.


Well, check your internet connectivity. No route to host means that 
server cannot connect to other end. (you can test using telnet 
ip.address 25)


Usually netmask/gateway or firewall is poorly configured or your isp is 
blocking direct smtp connections without smarthost.


--
Eero


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread erol blakely
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:03:21AM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
 
 CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
(connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)
  b...@premore.net

Looks like more of a network issue and not postfix specific. 

Try to telnet to the remote host and see if you can connect (run a
tcpdump at the same time to see whats happening). Try simple
network diagnostics (ie. ping, traceroute etc ...).

/erol


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Martijn de Munnik
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:03 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
 I am getting a report from someone on my network that they are getting
 delivery failures when attempting to send an email from my Postfix
 server to the remote mail server. I see  the message stuck on my
 Postfix servers queue:
 
 CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
(connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)
  b...@premore.net
 

This is a network issue and not a postfix issue. Try connecting to
a.mx.premore.net using telnet on port 25.
Check your routing tables to find out why a network connection to that
host is not possible.

 I am guessing that this is a problem with the remote mail server
 'a.mx.premore.net' since my server is sending and receiving email just
 fine to every other destination. I then decided to do a MX lookup for
 this domain premore.net  see if there is anything wrong:
 
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;premore.net. IN  MX
 
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 premore.net.  3093IN  MX  0 a.mx.premore.net.
 
 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
 a.mx.premore.net. 3093IN  A   198.186.193.20
 
 However my mail server wont send to this destination address and I
 have no idea why. Can someone tell me how I can better examine this
 situation to understand where the fault lies.
 
 Thank you!


-- 
Martijn de Munnik mart...@youngguns.nl
YoungGuns



Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com:
 I am getting a report from someone on my network that they are getting
 delivery failures when attempting to send an email from my Postfix
 server to the remote mail server. I see  the message stuck on my
 Postfix servers queue:
 
 CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
(connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)
  b...@premore.net

Works OK. What does tracroute 198.186.193.20 return?
# traceroute 198.186.193.20
traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
... snip ...
 4  zr-pot1-te0-0-0-3.x-win.dfn.de (188.1.144.30)  5.288 ms  5.290 ms 5.281 ms
 5  cr02.frf02.pccwbtn.net (80.81.192.50)  18.030 ms  18.027 ms 18.132 ms
 6  carpathia.ge12-1.br02.ash01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.94.166)  109.111 ms  
106.313 ms  106.528 ms
 7  xe-3-3.e4.iad1.cirn.net (209.222.130.29)  105.968 ms  106.036 ms 106.044 ms
 8  66.117.37.180 (66.117.37.180)  101.005 ms  100.773 ms  101.520 ms
  9  * * *
  10  * * *
  11  * * *
  12  * * *
  13  * * *
  14  * * *
  15  * * *
  16  * * *
  17  * * *
  18  * * *
  19  * * *
  20  * * *
  21  * * *
  22  * * *
  23  * * *
  24  * * *
  25  dns5.docforge.org (198.186.193.20)  4.241 ms  1.685 ms  0.271 ms
  
 I am guessing that this is a problem with the remote mail server
 'a.mx.premore.net' since my server is sending and receiving email just
 fine to every other destination. I then decided to do a MX lookup for
 this domain premore.net  see if there is anything wrong:
 
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;premore.net. IN  MX
 
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 premore.net.  3093IN  MX  0 a.mx.premore.net.
 
 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
 a.mx.premore.net. 3093IN  A   198.186.193.20
 
 However my mail server wont send to this destination address and I
 have no idea why. Can someone tell me how I can better examine this
 situation to understand where the fault lies.
 
 Thank you!

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de



Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Evan Platt
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:03:21 -0500, you wrote:

I am getting a report from someone on my network that they are getting
delivery failures when attempting to send an email from my Postfix
server to the remote mail server. I see  the message stuck on my
Postfix servers queue:

CB87E778055 1337 Mon Nov 30 08:59:15  tprem...@iamghost.com
   (connect to a.mx.premore.net[198.186.193.20]: No route to host)
 b...@premore.net

I am guessing that this is a problem with the remote mail server
'a.mx.premore.net' since my server is sending and receiving email just
fine to every other destination. I then decided to do a MX lookup for
this domain premore.net  see if there is anything wrong:

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;premore.net.  IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
premore.net.   3093IN  MX  0 a.mx.premore.net.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
a.mx.premore.net.  3093IN  A   198.186.193.20

However my mail server wont send to this destination address and I
have no idea why. Can someone tell me how I can better examine this
situation to understand where the fault lies.

Thank you!

Unless I'm misreading and misunderstanding your logs

# telnet 198.186.193.20 25
Trying 198.186.193.20...
telnet: connect to address 198.186.193.20: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

The mail server on that IP isn't answering.


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Evan Platt e...@espphotography.com:

 Unless I'm misreading and misunderstanding your logs
 
 # telnet 198.186.193.20 25
 Trying 198.186.193.20...
 telnet: connect to address 198.186.193.20: Operation timed out
 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
 
 The mail server on that IP isn't answering.

# telnet 198.186.193.20 25
Trying 198.186.193.20...
Connected to 198.186.193.20.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 share.docforge.org ESMTP Postfix

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de



Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Evan Platt
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:13:02 +0100, you wrote:

# telnet 198.186.193.20 25
Trying 198.186.193.20...
Connected to 198.186.193.20.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 share.docforge.org ESMTP Postfix

D'oh... Forgot which machine I was connected to.I tried it on the one
that has port 25 blocked by the ISP. :)

My bad, sorry :)


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Carlos Williams
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt
ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote:
 Works OK. What does tracroute 198.186.193.20 return?
 # traceroute 198.186.193.20
 traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 ... snip ...
  4  zr-pot1-te0-0-0-3.x-win.dfn.de (188.1.144.30)  5.288 ms  5.290 ms 5.281 ms
  5  cr02.frf02.pccwbtn.net (80.81.192.50)  18.030 ms  18.027 ms 18.132 ms
  6  carpathia.ge12-1.br02.ash01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.94.166)  109.111 ms  
 106.313 ms  106.528 ms
  7  xe-3-3.e4.iad1.cirn.net (209.222.130.29)  105.968 ms  106.036 ms 106.044 
 ms
  8  66.117.37.180 (66.117.37.180)  101.005 ms  100.773 ms  101.520 ms
  9  * * *
  10  * * *
  11  * * *
  12  * * *
  13  * * *
  14  * * *
  15  * * *
  16  * * *
  17  * * *
  18  * * *
  19  * * *
  20  * * *
  21  * * *
  22  * * *
  23  * * *
  24  * * *
  25  dns5.docforge.org (198.186.193.20)  4.241 ms  1.685 ms  0.271 ms

I am unable to connect via Telnet so it appears to be a network / ISP issue.

car...@tunafish:~$ telnet 198.186.193.20 25
Trying 198.186.193.20...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com:

   25  dns5.docforge.org (198.186.193.20)  4.241 ms  1.685 ms  0.271 ms
 
 I am unable to connect via Telnet so it appears to be a network / ISP issue.
 
 car...@tunafish:~$ telnet 198.186.193.20 25
 Trying 198.186.193.20...
 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

What is the output of traceroute 198.186.193.20 ?
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de



Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Carlos Williams
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt
ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote:
 What is the output of traceroute 198.186.193.20 ?

I get no results from my mail server:

traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  * * *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 5  * * *
.
.
.
29  * * *
30  * * *

Strange...


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Frog
Perhaps your mail server is on a DNSBL?

Regards
Frog


- Original Message -
From: Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com
To: postfix-users@postfix.org
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009 4:05:25 PM
Subject: Re: What Is Causing This Failure

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt
ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote:
 What is the output of traceroute 198.186.193.20 ?

I get no results from my mail server:

traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  * * *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 5  * * *
.
.
.
29  * * *
30  * * *

Strange...



Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Martijn de Munnik
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 16:27 +, Frog wrote:
 Perhaps your mail server is on a DNSBL?
 
 Regards
 Frog

Nope, this is a problem at the ip level, routing. This is not a postfix
or mail/smtp issue.

 - Original Message -
 From: Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com
 To: postfix-users@postfix.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009 4:05:25 PM
 Subject: Re: What Is Causing This Failure
 
 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt
 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote:
  What is the output of traceroute 198.186.193.20 ?
 
 I get no results from my mail server:
 
 traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
  1  * * *
  2  * * *
  3  * * *
  4  * * *
  5  * * *
 .
 .
 .
 29  * * *
 30  * * *
 
 Strange...
 





Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Terry L. Inzauro
Frog wrote:
 Perhaps your mail server is on a DNSBL?
 
 Regards
 Frog
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com
 To: postfix-users@postfix.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009 4:05:25 PM
 Subject: Re: What Is Causing This Failure
 
 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt
 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote:
 What is the output of traceroute 198.186.193.20 ?
 
 I get no results from my mail server:
 
 traceroute to 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
  1  * * *
  2  * * *
  3  * * *
  4  * * *
  5  * * *
 .
 .
 .
 29  * * *
 30  * * *
 
 Strange...
 

why all the off topic posts today?


---

chances are a router along the way is not forwarding icmp probes/responses 
correctly..

[10:39:23 r...@allover:~]# tcptraceroute 198.186.193.20 25
Selected device eth0, address 10.123.0.250, port 56230 for outgoing packets
Tracing the path to 198.186.193.20 on TCP port 25 (smtp), 30 hops max
 1  10.123.0.252  0.302 ms  0.133 ms  0.128 ms
 2  bizXX.sta.linkcity.org.XX.22.72.in-addr.arpa (72.22.XX.XX)  0.412 ms  0.315 
ms  0.312 ms
 3  10.200.100.1  6.961 ms  0.499 ms  0.474 ms
 4  sl-gw16-kc-3-1.sprintlink.net (160.81.151.109)  0.564 ms  0.437 ms  0.491 ms
 5  sl-crs1-kc-0-5-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.152)  1.073 ms  0.827 ms  
0.737 ms
 6  sl-crs1-chi-0-1-0-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.18.214)  12.008 ms  12.409 ms  
11.996 ms
 7  sl-st20-chi-13-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.3)  11.603 ms  11.579 ms  
11.569 ms
 8  144.232.8.114  11.715 ms  11.777 ms  11.657 ms
 9  ae-32-52.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.62)  12.476 ms  21.324 ms  
18.234 ms
10  ae-5.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.69.140.194)  12.354 ms  12.639 ms  12.676 
ms
11  ae-2-2.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.132.70)  33.594 ms  33.414 ms  
33.252 ms
12  ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.146)  46.577 ms  39.840 ms  
35.910 ms
13  ae-1-69.edge2.Washington4.Level3.net (4.68.17.19)  33.635 ms  33.585 ms  
33.636 ms
14  xe-0-2-0.cr1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (4.79.168.74)  33.761 ms  33.292 ms  73.096 
ms
15  vl74.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.190)  33.976 ms  33.986 ms  34.315 ms
16  as6450.vl134.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.115)  33.968 ms  33.436 ms  
33.511 ms
17  dns5.docforge.org (198.186.193.20) [open]  33.906 ms  33.987 ms  34.153 ms
[10:39:25 r...@allover:~]#




Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Carlos Williams
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Terry L. Inzauro
tinza...@ha-solutions.net wrote:

 why all the off topic posts today?

I suspected this to be Postfix or Mail related so I posted here. It
was determined with the help of the list it was not a MTA issue.
Simple as that!

Sorry for any inconvenience.


Re: What Is Causing This Failure

2009-12-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Carlos Williams put forth on 12/1/2009 9:32 AM:

 I am unable to connect via Telnet so it appears to be a network / ISP issue.
 
 car...@tunafish:~$ telnet 198.186.193.20 25
 Trying 198.186.193.20...
 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

Definitely a network problem between you and the remote host.  Works
fine here in the US:

greer:/etc/postfix# ping 198.186.193.20
PING 198.186.193.20 (198.186.193.20) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 198.186.193.20: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=79.1 ms
64 bytes from 198.186.193.20: icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=78.9 ms
64 bytes from 198.186.193.20: icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=78.7 ms
64 bytes from 198.186.193.20: icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=78.7 ms
^C
--- 198.186.193.20 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3012ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 78.729/78.883/79.151/0.263 ms

greer:/etc/postfix# telnet 198.186.193.20 25
Trying 198.186.193.20...
Connected to 198.186.193.20.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 share.docforge.org ESMTP Postfix
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye

--
Stan