Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Eric Smith]

Wietse Venema previously_wrote on Mon-28-Mar 22 12:00AM
> external name "Postfix". "post" was a different word for "mail",
> and "fix" was for Sendmail, the inspiration for my efforts.

It is a much cooler sounding name now that its decoded.
But in retrospect the meaning is pretty obvious 臘

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Pedro David Marco]

 

On Monday, March 28, 2022, 12:01:58 AM GMT+2, Wietse Venema 
 wrote:  
| the inspiration for my efforts.


Thanks for your efforts, Wietse...  and for all your support in the list!!! 
Regards..
Pete.
 
  

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Nikolai Lusan]

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Hey,

On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 10:59 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> funny from myside: it fixes all known sendmail bugs :)
> it did not take m4 configure from it

How plebeian, you used m4 to configure sendmail. ️
In all my years administering sendmail I never got around to using m4 -
I just found the directives I needed and put them in proper places,
worked quite well for me and gave me a greater understanding of how
sendmail functioned. That said it was still better than when I was
forced to use Qmail, but not as good as when I transitioned to Postfix.

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Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Nikolai Lusan]

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 09:08 +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:
> What’s the story behind choosing the name as “Postfix”?


As with all children it's what it's parents chose to call it 

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Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Wietse Venema]

Ralph Seichter:
> * Wietse Venema:
> 
> > We tried a bunch of names for which I could register a domain name,
> > and each time the IBM naming authority would reject our choice.
> 
> Sounds interesting. What exactly is, or was, "the IBM naming authority"?
> Is it an entity related to IBM's legal team?

The people whose approval is required for product naming.

Wietse

> > Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
> > changing the name of the main character in a story.
> 
> Quite. Names also have a lot of power as we all know. For example, I
> have wondered if the Java programming language would have become just as
> popular if it was released as "Oak", which I seem to remember was what
> the author originally wanted to call it.
> 
> -Ralph
> 

Re: [External] Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Kevin A. McGrail]

Great Idea!  Done

On 3/27/2022 6:08 PM, lists wrote:

Perhaps someone who knows how to update wiki can add this information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_(software)

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Ralph Seichter]

* Wietse Venema:

> We tried a bunch of names for which I could register a domain name,
> and each time the IBM naming authority would reject our choice.

Sounds interesting. What exactly is, or was, "the IBM naming authority"?
Is it an entity related to IBM's legal team?

> Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
> changing the name of the main character in a story.

Quite. Names also have a lot of power as we all know. For example, I
have wondered if the Java programming language would have become just as
popular if it was released as "Oak", which I seem to remember was what
the author originally wanted to call it.

-Ralph

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Larry Stone]

On Mar 27, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Wietse Venema  wrote:
> Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
> changing the name of the main character in a story.

20 to 30 years ago, I did a lot of work with DEC’s VMS operating system. The 
original working name for the OS was Starlet. Many references to Starlet 
remained at that time both inside files and as file names. I just checked on a 
current version VMS system I can access - found 18 STARLET* filenames in the 
system library directory.

-- 
Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[dn]

On 28/03/2022 08.18, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, "Platypus", I
> don't know.

A platypus?

Although Postfix could be said to identify its food-targets (incoming
SMTP) by "electrolocation", it is not a venomous creature.

If 'more' than a benign Postfix is required, then one must add filters
and policies.
(maybe some DDOS etc anti-measures would be closer to the idea of
venomous spurs on the back legs of Postfix?)

https://environment.des.qld.gov.au/wildlife/animals/a-z/platypus
-- 
Regards =dn

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[lists]

Perhaps someone who knows how to update wiki can add this information. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_(software)





  Original Message  


From: wie...@porcupine.org
Sent: March 27, 2022 3:01 PM
To: postfix-users@postfix.org
Reply-to: postfix-users@postfix.org
Subject: Re: Why the name Postfix?


Viktor Dukhovni:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:08:53AM +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:
>
> > What?s the story behind choosing the name as ?Postfix??
>
> One of the stories can be found here:
>
> https://techmonitor.ai/technology/ibm_takes_on_sendmail_with_secure_mailer
>
> ...
> IBM calls the new mail program Secure Mailer, but it is actually one and
> the same as Postfix, which is the same product as VMailer. IBM?s lawyers
> nixed the VMailer moniker because it was too similar to another
> company?s product.
> ...
>
> This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, "Platypus", I
> don't know.

We tried a bunch of names for which I could register a domain name,
and each time the IBM naming authority would reject our choice.
Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
changing the name of the main character in a story.

Then we found out that a different IBM team had open-sourced their
PKIX code under an external name "Jonah". So we gave my code two
names: the approved internal name "IBM secure Mailer", and the
external name "Postfix". "post" was a different word for "mail",
and "fix" was for Sendmail, the inspiration for my efforts.

Wietse

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Antonio Leding]

This lore is BEYOND cool and Wietse is legend…

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On 27 Mar 2022, at 15:00, Wietse Venema wrote:


Viktor Dukhovni:

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:08:53AM +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:


What?s the story behind choosing the name as ?Postfix??


One of the stories can be found here:

https://techmonitor.ai/technology/ibm_takes_on_sendmail_with_secure_mailer

...
IBM calls the new mail program Secure Mailer, but it is actually 
one and
the same as Postfix, which is the same product as VMailer. IBM?s 
lawyers

nixed the VMailer moniker because it was too similar to another
company?s product.
...

This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, 
"Platypus", I

don't know.


We tried a bunch of names for which I could register a domain name,
and each time the IBM naming authority would reject our choice.
Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
changing the name of the main character in a story.

Then we found out that a different IBM team had open-sourced their
PKIX code under an external name "Jonah". So we gave my code two
names: the approved internal name "IBM secure Mailer", and the
external name "Postfix". "post" was a different word for "mail",
and "fix" was for Sendmail, the inspiration for my efforts.

Wietse

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Wietse Venema]

Viktor Dukhovni:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:08:53AM +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:
> 
> > What?s the story behind choosing the name as ?Postfix??
> 
> One of the stories can be found here:
> 
> https://techmonitor.ai/technology/ibm_takes_on_sendmail_with_secure_mailer
> 
> ...
> IBM calls the new mail program Secure Mailer, but it is actually one and
> the same as Postfix, which is the same product as VMailer. IBM?s lawyers
> nixed the VMailer moniker because it was too similar to another
> company?s product.
> ...
> 
> This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, "Platypus", I
> don't know.

We tried a bunch of names for which I could register a domain name,
and each time the IBM naming authority would reject our choice.
Changing the name of a program is a lot of work; it is worse than
changing the name of the main character in a story.

Then we found out that a different IBM team had open-sourced their
PKIX code under an external name "Jonah". So we gave my code two
names: the approved internal name "IBM secure Mailer", and the
external name "Postfix". "post" was a different word for "mail",
and "fix" was for Sendmail, the inspiration for my efforts.

Wietse

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Rob McGee]

On 2022-03-27 14:18, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:

This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say,
"Platypus", I don't know.


Oh that's easy.  Same reason as why it's not called "Duckfix."

Wietse couldn't afford to pay the bill.
--
  http://rob0.nodns4.us/

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Charles Sprickman]

> On Mar 27, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Viktor Dukhovni  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:08:53AM +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:
> 
>> What’s the story behind choosing the name as “Postfix”?
> 
> One of the stories can be found here:
> 
>https://techmonitor.ai/technology/ibm_takes_on_sendmail_with_secure_mailer
> 
>...
>IBM calls the new mail program Secure Mailer, but it is actually one and
>the same as Postfix, which is the same product as VMailer. IBM’s lawyers
>nixed the VMailer moniker because it was too similar to another
>company’s product.
>...
> 
> This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, "Platypus", I
> don't know.

Oh, that I can answer... I was working at an ISP that used a somewhat popular 
ISP billing package at the time. It was called “Platypus”.

https://ispbilling.com  (long since acquired by some 
other company)

:)

Charles


> 
> -- 
>Viktor.

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:08:53AM +0530, Amarjeet Anand wrote:

> What’s the story behind choosing the name as “Postfix”?

One of the stories can be found here:

https://techmonitor.ai/technology/ibm_takes_on_sendmail_with_secure_mailer

...
IBM calls the new mail program Secure Mailer, but it is actually one and
the same as Postfix, which is the same product as VMailer. IBM’s lawyers
nixed the VMailer moniker because it was too similar to another
company’s product.
...

This sounds plausible.  As for why "Postfix" and not, say, "Platypus", I
don't know.

-- 
Viktor.

Re: Why the name Postfix?

[Benny Pedersen]

On 2022-03-27 05:38, Amarjeet Anand wrote:


What’s the story behind choosing the name as “Postfix”?


funny from myside: it fixes all known sendmail bugs :)

it did not take m4 configure from it

Why the name Postfix?

[Amarjeet Anand]

Hi

What’s the story behind choosing the name as “Postfix”?