Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[Eric]

> >>>  Subject line tells it all. I file-share/backup between my PB190
> and 6320
> >>>  via AppleTalk over a printer port and it's so dang slw! Can
> I
> >>>  possibly use TCP/IP as an option?

The printer port is slow, about 230kpbs max. Basic 10Base-T ethernet
(the most common kind) is 10Mbps max ( =10,000kbps ). You are using
Appletalk over serial ports(aka LocalTalk). Trying to run TCP/IP over
serial ports is a royal pain, and all it does is put TCP/IP in
Appletalk packets: it would be slower b/c of the translation. Using any
protocol (Appletalk,TCP/IP,whatever) over ethernet is guaranteed to be
faster. Appletalk over ethernet (aka EtherTalk) is easy to set up. Like
the other post said, cheapest way is to get a crossover cable. Better
way would be to get a hub. They are really cheap and leave you room for
expansion, (i.e. a network printer, another computer, etc.). The
differences in speed between protocols is basically unimportant on a
two-computer network that isn't heavily used. Besides, nothing will
compare to the difference between LocalTalk and EtherTalk.

It's 2 AM now, so there may be some inaccuracies. Bottom line: ethernet
always faster than serial.

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Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[Dana Collins]

As below:

> From: "Eric L. Strobel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: PowerBooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:14:33 -0400
> To: PowerBooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing
> 
> somewhere near the temporal coordinates of 7/3/03 8:00 PM, the entity known
> as res0bznj transmitted the following from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>> However, that is not TCP/IP as I understand things. That is AppleTalk
>> over Ethernet or, maybe EtherTalk? Still, a quantum improvement over
>> printer port AppleTalk.
>> 
>> Ken
> 
> It's either OS 8.6 or OS 9 where you pick up the capability to do TCP/IP
> filesharing.
> 
> - Eric.

8.5.1 was the first
Best regards,
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Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[Clark Martin]

At 5:00 PM -0700 7/3/2003, res0bznj wrote:
My Reply follows quote. On 03/07/2003 15:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said: 

jimwg wrote:

 Greetings:

 Subject line tells it all. I file-share/backup between my PB190 and 6320
 via AppleTalk over a printer port and it's so dang slw! Can I
 possibly use TCP/IP as an option?
Absolutely.

You'll need an ethernet card for the 190, since I don't think that's
built-in. If it is all the better.


Nope, the 190 will indeed need a PC Card Ethernet NIC.

 >
The bog-simplest way is to buy a cheap ethernet hub, and one ethernet
cable for each computer, plug it all together, turn 'em on and set
appletalk to use the ethernet. Voila.
The *cheapest* way is to connect the two with a crossover cable, but you
will run into the situation whereby the first mac booting up will not
'see' anything on the ethernet, and set it's appletalk back to the
prnter port. You'll have to be constantly turning appletalk back to the
ethernet port on one or the other of the systems if you do it this way.

However, that is not TCP/IP as I understand things. That is AppleTalk
over Ethernet or, maybe EtherTalk? Still, a quantum improvement over
printer port AppleTalk.


Yes, none of the above includes IP.  But simply using AppleTalk over 
Ethernet (which is EtherTalk) will give a tremendous speed 
improvement.  To us IP the 6320 would have to be running OS 9 to 
support AppleSHARE over IP.  The PB190 will need to be running OS 8.1 
or have the updated AppleShare Extension to use ASIP.  This will give 
a modest improvement over AppleShare over AT.
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Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[Eric L. Strobel]

somewhere near the temporal coordinates of 7/3/03 8:00 PM, the entity known
as res0bznj transmitted the following from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> However, that is not TCP/IP as I understand things. That is AppleTalk
> over Ethernet or, maybe EtherTalk? Still, a quantum improvement over
> printer port AppleTalk.
> 
> Ken

It's either OS 8.6 or OS 9 where you pick up the capability to do TCP/IP
filesharing.

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Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[res0bznj]

My Reply follows quote. On 03/07/2003 15:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>jimwg wrote:
>
>> 
>> Greetings:
>> 
>> Subject line tells it all. I file-share/backup between my PB190 and 6320 
>> via AppleTalk over a printer port and it's so dang slw! Can I 
>> possibly use TCP/IP as an option?
>
>Absolutely.
>
>You'll need an ethernet card for the 190, since I don't think that's 
>built-in. If it is all the better.
>
>The bog-simplest way is to buy a cheap ethernet hub, and one ethernet 
>cable for each computer, plug it all together, turn 'em on and set 
>appletalk to use the ethernet. Voila.
>
>The *cheapest* way is to connect the two with a crossover cable, but you 
>will run into the situation whereby the first mac booting up will not 
>'see' anything on the ethernet, and set it's appletalk back to the 
>prnter port. You'll have to be constantly turning appletalk back to the 
>ethernet port on one or the other of the systems if you do it this way.

However, that is not TCP/IP as I understand things. That is AppleTalk 
over Ethernet or, maybe EtherTalk? Still, a quantum improvement over 
printer port AppleTalk.

Ken

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Re: Mysterious Word 5.0 alias

[Redicliff]

Andrew,

Thanks for your suggestions re this problem.

I never solved the alias thing, but fortunately found copies of the 
files on a Syquest disc.

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Re: Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[Bruce Johnson]

jimwg wrote:

Greetings:

Subject line tells it all. I file-share/backup between my PB190 and 6320 
via AppleTalk over a printer port and it's so dang slw! Can I 
possibly use TCP/IP as an option?
Absolutely.

You'll need an ethernet card for the 190, since I don't think that's 
built-in. If it is all the better.

The bog-simplest way is to buy a cheap ethernet hub, and one ethernet 
cable for each computer, plug it all together, turn 'em on and set 
appletalk to use the ethernet. Voila.

The *cheapest* way is to connect the two with a crossover cable, but you 
will run into the situation whereby the first mac booting up will not 
'see' anything on the ethernet, and set it's appletalk back to the 
prnter port. You'll have to be constantly turning appletalk back to the 
ethernet port on one or the other of the systems if you do it this way.

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Using TCP/IP over AppleTalk in printer port File Sharing

[jimwg]

Greetings:

Subject line tells it all. I file-share/backup between my PB190 and 
6320 via AppleTalk over a printer port and it's so dang slw! Can 
I possibly use TCP/IP as an option?

Thanks
JimWG
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Re: Problem? with orinoco card and pb 1400

[Bruce Johnson]

Frank wrote:

I'm not sure if this is a problem or not since I'm new to Macs but here's
the situation:

My question is whether I can do something to make the card appear on the
desktop and in the appletalk "connect via" list. Or doesn't that matter as
long as it's working? I thought it might be possible that i would get
optimum performance if wavelan showed up there.
I should also mention that under the "Missing extensions" entry in the
Control panels submenu of the apple menu it says that the pc card extension
is missing. If I need that is there anyplace I can download it; the
powerbook came without system disks or cd?
That's the missing piece, and without the OS cd, you're screwed in general.

I would look for a OS 8.1 CD (I've seen them go for ~ $10 on the LEM 
swaplist recently) and upgrade your system from that, then the wirelss 
should work fine.

OS 8.1 is superior to 7.6, and not nearly as resource hungry as 8.6. If 
you upgrade that 1400  to 64 mb I'd recommend 8.6 though, as it keeps 
you closer to modernity. It will run up to 9.1, but even on 64 megs OS9 
takes a big chunk o' memory.

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Re: Powerbook 5xx PCMCIA expansion module

[Bruce Johnson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi again,

I was recently reading something on a 5xx PCMCIA expansion module, saying it 
was "For 500 series Powerbooks that have been upgraded with a PPC processor."

Is that true? '040 5xx's cannot use it?

Craig W.

That would be the mythical and rare Rev C pcmcia adapter. It will work 
with any 500 series powerbook, but is the only one that will work with 
the PPC upgrade.

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Re: 1xx charging

[Roger Volk]

Craig,

To reset the PMU, push the reset button in the back of the unit for about 30
seconds with a paper clip, with no battery installed and AC power disconnected.  For
info on resetting most machines see:

http://www.westwund.com/reference/tn/pmreset.ht

Roger

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to affect/reset the charging on a Powerbook 1xx series?
>
> Specifically, my PB 150 is not indicating that it is charging the battery
> when it is inserted. Also, when the battery is out, the indicator in the control
> strip and the Menu Bar clock shows a fully charged battery(!).
>
> Help?
>
> Craig W.
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Re: Setting up a powerbook 5300ce for dsl?

[jeff hewitt]

well... i checked the ethercard on an ibook, it works.

i'm really not sure what i'm doing wrong.  grr...

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Re: Powerbook 5xx PCMCIA expansion module

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 03/07/03 10:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was recently reading something on a 5xx PCMCIA expansion module, saying it
> was "For 500 series Powerbooks that have been upgraded with a PPC processor."
> 
> Is that true? '040 5xx's cannot use it?

I think that is a Rev C module which PPC upgraded 5xx need - they can't use
the earlier Rev A or B.

I've not seen that earlier 5xx can't use a C only that PPC need the C
version.

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Powerbook 5xx PCMCIA expansion module

[COCCORP]

Hi again,

I was recently reading something on a 5xx PCMCIA expansion module, saying it 
was "For 500 series Powerbooks that have been upgraded with a PPC processor."

Is that true? '040 5xx's cannot use it?

Craig W.

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1xx charging

[COCCORP]

Hi,

Is there a way to affect/reset the charging on a Powerbook 1xx series? 

Specifically, my PB 150 is not indicating that it is charging the battery 
when it is inserted. Also, when the battery is out, the indicator in the control 
strip and the Menu Bar clock shows a fully charged battery(!).

Help?

Craig W.

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Re: Setting up a powerbook 5300ce for dsl?

[kari]

Someone mentioned appleshare in this set up issue, and although I don't
know a thing about how to hook up dsl, it hasn't been that long since I
used 8.1 I read the newgroups constantly and remember there being a key
issue with appleshare, which I didn't use at the time, but it was
mentioned so often that it might be worth checking out. I found this
link for appleshare client software.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60792#English
kari


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