Re: PowerBook 3400c won't power on

[Tom and Lisa P]

Adam,
   I have 3 complete machines plus a logic board with similar 
symptoms, in one case I was able to resurrect a machine by replacing 
the power supply module, but in the 4 other cases the problem lay 
with the logic board and probably on of 2 chips, the PMU chip, which 
is a low power 68000 series chip and is labeled, and the O'hare IO, 
and disc controller which feeds the PMU chip.  Currently the only 
source for logic board components I know of is salvaged  boards, by 
the power supply module ought be available on the LEM list.

Roger
Roger, were you ever able to ressurect a machine by a PMU replacement 
?  I have 3 3500 boards that wont boot, and I really suspect 
something in power management.

Mad Dog
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Re: PowerBook 3400c won't power on

[Tom and Lisa P]

A friend of mine has a PowerBook 3400c/180 that she's been using for 
the past number of years, however one day it refused to power on. 
She had me take a look at it, and I hit the power button (without it 
plugged in) and it powered up but no chime and nothing on the 
screen.  I set it down on a table and plugged it in, and did 
command-control power, and it chimed and booted up fine.  It 
wouldn't let me reset the PRAM, however, and it didn't show the 
battery as charging.  Then, while it was running I removed the 
battery and it immediately shut down.  I have since been unable to 
get it to boot up again.  One thing I've noticed is that the AC 
adapter doesn't get warm at all, and the battery doesn't seem to 
charge.  I'm thinking there's a chance it might be the AC adapter, 
so I'm going to bring it to the Apple dealer and have them test it 
with a different AC adapter...but if that's not it, any ideas? 
Maybe the power manager circuit?  And is it worth me trying to fix 
it for her (not sure how much a new power manager circuit costs)? 
Afterall, it seems that 233Mhz G3's are going for under $200 on eBay 
these days.

Thanks for any advice.
-Adam
Does it work on AC if you jiggle the plug a little ?  YOu might have 
the classic cold-solder-joints-on-the-AC-plug syndrome.

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Re: 5300 & DSL or G4 and Dial-Up?

[KG]

> Would, say, a G4/400 and the cost effectiveness of my cheap dial-up
> connection ($5.95/month) be satisfactory, or should I keep my 5300
> (or get maybe at least a Wallstreet) and get the more costly DSL?

It depends on what your main objective is. If all you are doing is Web
surfing, the best alternative would be to get the Wallstreet and use DSL.
Even a 3400c or a 1400c with an L2 cache would handle DSL with reasonable
alacrity. Your only problem with the 5300 is that it really does lag without
a cache.

I would have to say, though, that even a 5300 with a fast DSL connection
would surf faster than a G4 on 56K, unless you were loading a page with
something like Shockwave or QuickTime content. An uncached 603/100 just
doesn't have the horsepower to do that, DSL or not.

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Re: 5300 & DSL or G4 and Dial-Up?

[allen goforth]

Daniel De L'eau wrote:
Lucky me, I might be able to upgrade my computer, so I was weighing 
the best cost/speed options.

To start, I was able to try out a 600MHz Compaq Presario 1400 (nice, 
but dual-scan and I still don't like PC's) for a couple of days on my 
dial-up connection and noticed a considerable increase in speed over 
my 5300 (and even from what I remember of my 7500/230 that went away 
some time ago).  I'm sure it's a combination of a fast processor and 
lots of video RAM...

Would, say, a G4/400 and the cost effectiveness of my cheap dial-up 
connection ($5.95/month) be satisfactory, or should I keep my 5300 (or 
get maybe at least a Wallstreet) and get the more costly DSL?

Opinions?



   Get yourself a wallstreet, lombard or pismo and dsl and you 
will be happier then with a better computer and dialup.


  
allen

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5300 & DSL or G4 and Dial-Up?

[Daniel De L'eau]

Lucky me, I might be able to upgrade my computer, so I was weighing 
the best cost/speed options.

To start, I was able to try out a 600MHz Compaq Presario 1400 (nice, 
but dual-scan and I still don't like PC's) for a couple of days on my 
dial-up connection and noticed a considerable increase in speed over 
my 5300 (and even from what I remember of my 7500/230 that went away 
some time ago).  I'm sure it's a combination of a fast processor and 
lots of video RAM...

Would, say, a G4/400 and the cost effectiveness of my cheap dial-up 
connection ($5.95/month) be satisfactory, or should I keep my 5300 
(or get maybe at least a Wallstreet) and get the more costly DSL?

Opinions?
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Re: iCAB (was Re: PB 190 and AOL)

[Howard R. Katz]

Well, when I sent Alexander one of my gmail invitations and he said it'd 
be taken care of in the next release, he did use the word "soon."  Of 
course soon sometimes means something different from the user's or the 
developer's point of view.  :)



Later.Howard


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iCAB (was Re: PB 190 and AOL)

[Yersinia]

Howard writes,



Do you have any idea when this next release will be? I don't do gmail, 
but I would like to give iCAB another chance by trying the new version 
when it becomes available.

~Yersinia.

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Error...Error! Re: PB 190 and AOL

[Yersinia]

I just erroneously posted --

<1. The problem might be on account of how much memory she has allocated 
to each application (in this case AOL and Netscape Communicator). IIRC if 
there's too much memory allocated to each app, when you try to run both, 
there can be problems. I'd suggest checking memory allocations to the 
apps and perhaps increasing them (via "Get Info" in the File Menu). She 
might have to experiment with this a bit.>

I should have said "decreasing," not increasing. And clarifying that if 
the memory allocations were never changed (since she can't go below the 
required amount to run the application), then she should go right to the 
RAM Disk suggestion and THEN, perhaps, increasing the memory on the 
applications.

Sorry,

Yersinia.

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Re: PB 190 and AOL

[Howard R. Katz]

FWIW, I have few if any problems with iCab  - now.  the last version had a 
tendency to crash occasionally for me, but 2.9.8 seems stable.  It's the 
only browser I use on both my PPC'd 520c and my 5300c.  The one place 
where it isn't working, and Alexander at iCab says will be fixed with the 
next release, is logging on to Google's gmail system.  Something about a 
recursion error.

Obviously everyone's mileage varies--which is why it's so great that we have 
so many choices to use.  :)

Later.Howard


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Re: HP Background question extensions off

[Fluxstringer]

Reboot with extensions off.
How do I turn extensions off?
I'm sorry if my questions are too basic for this list.  Let me know 
if I am too much of a newbie and I will stop posting things like 
this.

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To my last message add ;Alternatively, Go into the extension 
manager control panel ( Off of the Apple menu in the upper right hand 
corner )
and select extensions off in the menu bar at the top. Then reboot.

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Re: PB 190 and AOL

[Yersinia]

Donna Hood Pointer writes,



Being conversant with both the PB 190 and OS 8.1, here are my thoughts:

1. The problem might be on account of how much memory she has allocated 
to each application (in this case AOL and Netscape Communicator). IIRC if 
there's too much memory allocated to each app, when you try to run both, 
there can be problems. I'd suggest checking memory allocations to the 
apps and perhaps increasing them (via "Get Info" in the File Menu). She 
might have to experiment with this a bit. I know I've had to, and usually 
it works for me. But if these experiments don't work, there's always --

2. With all that RAM she has in there (my own PB 190 only has 4 MB and I 
have RAM Doubler on it, so I'm only working with 8 MB RAM), she should be 
able to set up a very nice RAM Disk. Ask her to make a RAM Disk (Memory 
Control Panel) and put both AOL and Netscape on the RAM Disk. Then open 
AOL from the RAM Disk, sign online and open Netscape also from the RAM 
Disk. This has worked really well for me. Also note --

3. Even if Stickies is an auto-launch, she can still quit out of it (and 
if she wants to, go to the Startup Items folder, I believe, and remove 
Stickies to prevent the auto-launch at startup). If she has occasional 
use for Stickies otherwise, she can put it in the Apple Menu items for 
easy access at her own discretion. It's been awhile since I've had the 
need to get rid of auto-launches of apps I don't use that much, but I'm 
pretty sure.

4. iCAB, IMNSHO, is unreliable. I've used it on and off for over a year, 
on my PB 190, my former 7200/120 and my current G3/233. When it works, 
it's wonderful. REALLY wonderful, in fact. When it doesn't, and often it 
doesn't, alas, it's awful -- it freezes up the system and it's slow. 
Personally I use Netscape first, and only go to the iCAB when I'm having 
problems with Netscape (which is a lot less often than iCAB). I think 
it'd a good idea for your sister to download iCAB as she can, but to 
consider it as a "backup browser" only.

Hope I've helped,

~Yersinia

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Re: HP Background question

[Fluxstringer]

Reboot with extensions off.
How do I turn extensions off?
I'm sorry if my questions are too basic for this list.  Let me know 
if I am too much of a newbie and I will stop posting things like 
this.


Don't be at all afraid to ask questions here. A lot of us started at 
square one with Mac OS.

As soon as you hear the startup " bong " hold down the shift key. 
When the  startup screen comes on it will say
" extensions off ' near the " gas gauge " indicator.

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PB 190 and AOL

[Donna Hood Pointer]

My sister has my old PB190, 40MB RAM, 500MB or 1G HD (I don't remember 
which). Running system 8.1. We don't live in the same state, so 
anything I help her with is done long distance using my psychic 
computer powers. I'm her "expert". It's a long time since I've run 
system 8. She has to connect via AOL dial-up. She's using AOL 4 which I 
think is the most current version that the 68000 machines can use. The 
browser with that version won't do very much with current websites (as 
I recall it had a lousy reputation even when it was new). She has 
Netscape 4.01 on there also. I suggested she try connecting via AOL and 
then opening Netscape and using it instead. But the machine tells her 
she doesn't have enough memory. She should have plenty of memory. The 
only other app running is Stickies, which I guess is a startup item. 
We've tried it with virtual memory on and off. With AOL she has been 
running with VM off, since she has plenty of memory. She has 
Communicator, not the stand-alone version. Any suggestions? iCab maybe? 
More current version of Netscape, but I'm not sure she can go higher 
looking on the Netscape site. PB190 is not PPC.

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Re: PB 540c Not Connecting ?

[Jerry]

trying to get PB 540c online. the modem is good ... a SupraExpress 56.
don't have any drivers, or whatever the software is for the modem.
Try this page :
http://www.diamondmm.com/APPLEDRIVERS.php
Diamond sold part of the business to Best Data, but is still keeping 
some old support pages ... (somewhat ?!)

I installed MacPPP 2.5. Do I need something else? Open Transport? I called
my ISP, and they have no clue what to do. They don't even have any Macs at
all, and no Mac people.
Let them know, there are lots of ISPs that would like your business ...
macdialup.com is mac only/friendly ...
FasterMac.Net is 
OWC's new service

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Re: HP Background question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:02 AM, D J wrote:

Reboot with extensions off.
How do I turn extensions off?
Go into the Control Panels and click on Extensions Manager. Look in the 
(probably) Startup Items section and uncheck HP backgrounder, I'll bet 
it's there. That's a thing to do management of HP printers; not 
necessary even if you have an HP printer.

You can start with extensions off by holding down the shift key while 
starting up.

I'm sorry if my questions are too basic for this list.  Let me know if 
I am too much of a newbie and I will stop posting things like this.

Everyone's a newbie once...the only way we ever got to be oldbies is 
through the help of other former newbies. Ask away.

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Re: HP Background question

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Reboot with extensions off.
How do I turn extensions off?
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too much of a newbie and I will stop posting things like this.

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Re: HP Background question

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Look for a printer script for HP ( probably Hewelet Packard printer 
background printing script ) .  Do a search ( what OS ? ) with 
Sherlock
to find HP background.   Probably in scripts folder in preferences. 
Disable or remove it.

I am working with 8.0.  Sherlock doesn't sound like something I have 
seen when looking around.  Can you do a real dummy version of how to 
find this and disable it?  Thanks.

__
OS 8.5 is the oldest I have mounted here. And it's been a long time 
since I used 8.   Probably  Command key  and " F " will bring up 
search.( Find ) or access it in the file menu.  Type in HP 
background. this shopuld tell you where it is located  ( write down 
the path to make it easier to find )
Reboot with extensions off. Or reboot from a CD or floppy.

Open the folder name which you have written down. find the file ( 
script probably ) and drag it out  ( to a storage folder or disk ) or 
select it and use the delete key ( if you have no HP printer ).

Now try to reboot to your full OS.


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Re: mp3 player possibilities

[Dan Palka]

on 7/14/04 8:19 AM, D J at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Not since an Apple IIc I think.  That's pretty much a no.

That isn't even a Mac.  So no it is!


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PB 1400 Problems

[Mark Benson]

 
Appologies - this wasn't supposed to be a reply to the Hard Drive thread... 

Suggestions please...

A friend of mine had a porblem with his 1400cs. It started out complaining the battery 
was flat when it wasn't, then it got tot the stage where it was not accepting power 
from the PSU at all, ran the battery flat and died. He metered the main board and the 
power cnnector is physically OK. He replaced the PSU with a known good unit and it 
still is getting no power. I suspect the Power Manager Unit or (if the 1400 has one) 
the sub-board with the battery charging circuit on.

I think he may have replaced the CPU module with a faster 603 one, and upgradsed the 
RAM, but that aside I don't think he's done anything nasty apart from using it...

Any ideas? I'm not at all afiliar with this model. I've asked him for some pictures of 
the internals, but I suspect the poor thing is toast :(


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Re: HP Background question

[D J]

Look for a printer script for HP ( probably Hewelet Packard printer 
background printing script ) .  Do a search ( what OS ? ) with Sherlock
to find HP background.   Probably in scripts folder in preferences. Disable 
or remove it.

I am working with 8.0.  Sherlock doesn't sound like something I have seen 
when looking around.  Can you do a real dummy version of how to find this 
and disable it?  Thanks.

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Re: HP Background question

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Thanks to all for the advice on the mp3 question.  I've decided to 
work on getting internet access before I work on this.  I have a PC 
Card and am attempting to run the installer for it but keep getting 
told that I cannot install with "HP Background" running.  I'm still 
a newbie with this Mac stuff.  Any help would be much appreciated. 
Thanks.

_
Look for a printer script for HP ( probably Hewelet Packard printer 
background printing script ) .  Do a search ( what OS ? ) with 
Sherlock
to find HP background.   Probably in scripts folder in preferences. 
Disable or remove it.


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5300cs Won't Wake Up

[Robert S. Rowan]

Dear List,
When I put my 5300cs to sleep, it won't wake up and I have to do a 
keyboard restart to get it up and running again. I have 40 megs of 
RAM for a total of 56 megs of RAM and the OS is 8.1.

I have tried zapping the PRAM x 10, trashing the finder preference 
file and rebuilding the desk top. I have run Norton Disk Doctor and 
the Doctor says we're fine. I have tried zapping the PRAM again with 
Tech Tool 1.2.1. No dice.

Then I thought, perhaps I was having a conflict with an extension or 
two so I started up with the extensions off. Shuzbutt! The 5300 still 
died in its sleep. I brought out the heavy guns, Conflict Catcher 8, 
and still the 5300 fell into the Big Sleep.

OK I thought, I'll subject the PB to intervention therapy, i.e. a 
clean install. Aarrugh! (No need to translate).

My last hope, Reset The Power Manager. So I started up the lap top 
with the Command, Option, P & R keys depressed and when the 5300 went 
blank and the sleep button shown steady, I restarted with the reset 
button on the back. OK, one more time. I pulled the battery, 
disconnected the AC power pushed the reset button in the back for 30 
seconds plus and reconnected the AC power and I am right back where I 
started from in the beginning (except for a new system folder).

Does anyone have any other ideas? My next step is to pop the hood and 
remove the PRAM battery (how long should it be disconnected?). 
Failing all of this, the Power Book gets wrapped in garlic, I drive a 
wooden stake through its CPU and I bury it in the back yard!

Robert R.
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HP Background question

[D J]

Thanks to all for the advice on the mp3 question.  I've decided to work on 
getting internet access before I work on this.  I have a PC Card and am 
attempting to run the installer for it but keep getting told that I cannot 
install with "HP Background" running.  I'm still a newbie with this Mac 
stuff.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: mp3 player possibilities

[D J]

Not since an Apple IIc I think.  That's pretty much a no.

From: Dan Palka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: mp3 player possibilities
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:52:37 -0500
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Re: PowerBook 3400c won't power on

[Volk (contractor)]

Adam,
   I have 3 complete machines plus a logic board with similar symptoms, 
in one case I was able to resurrect a machine by replacing the power 
supply module, but in the 4 other cases the problem lay with the logic 
board and probably on of 2 chips, the PMU chip, which is a low power 
68000 series chip and is labeled, and the O'hare IO, and disc controller 
which feeds the PMU chip.  Currently the only source for logic board 
components I know of is salvaged  boards, by the power supply module 
ought be available on the LEM list.

Roger
Adam R. S. Guha wrote:
A friend of mine has a PowerBook 3400c/180 that she's been using for the past number 
of years, however one day it refused to power on.  She had me take a look at it, and I 
hit the power button (without it plugged in) and it powered up but no chime and 
nothing on the screen.  I set it down on a table and plugged it in, and did 
command-control power, and it chimed and booted up fine.  It wouldn't let me reset the 
PRAM, however, and it didn't show the battery as charging.  Then, while it was running 
I removed the battery and it immediately shut down.  I have since been unable to get 
it to boot up again.  One thing I've noticed is that the AC adapter doesn't get warm 
at all, and the battery doesn't seem to charge.  I'm thinking there's a chance it 
might be the AC adapter, so I'm going to bring it to the Apple dealer and have them 
test it with a different AC adapter...but if that's not it, any ideas?  Maybe the 
power manager circuit?  And is it worth me trying to fix it for her (not sure how much 
a new power manager circuit costs)?  Afterall, it seems that 233Mhz G3's are going for 
under $200 on eBay these days.
Thanks for any advice.
-Adam

 


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Re: Hard Drive in PB1400

[Mark Benson]

 
Suugestions please...

A friend of mine had a porblem with his 1400cs. It started out complaining the battery 
was flat when it wasn't, then it got tot the stage where it was not accepting power 
from the PSU at all, ran the battery flat and died. He metered the main board and the 
power cnnector is physically OK. He replaced the PSU with a known good unit and it 
still is getting no power. I suspect the Power Manager Unit or (if the 1400 has one) 
the sub-board with the battery charging circuit on.

I think he may have replaced the CPU module with a faster 603 one, and upgradsed the 
RAM, but that aside I don't think he's done anything nasty apart from using it...

Any ideas? I'm not at all afiliar with this model. I've asked him for some pictures of 
the internals, but I suspect the poor thing is toast :(

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Re: Cartridge replacement?

[Howard R. Katz]

Thanks!  I wasn't sure where to start, and I had left the cart at work so 
I didn't have the Apple number on it to begin a cross-reference.  I 
appreciate the help!

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Re: Hard Drive in PB1400

[VidaVerde]

Not sure about your 1400, but that very model works well in my 3400, 
if that's any reassurance.

makes it a lot faster to start up , too!
Ben

My question.  Can I put this hard drive in my PB1400?  I understand 
the the PB1400 can only read 8.5GB so will have to partition the 
drive.

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