. Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
When you do the installation of the OS, be sure to select for installation all the items that apply to language systems on the Mac. OS 8.5/8.6 gives you the option at one stage which allows you to specifically register the installation to focus on Japanese and miss out a long list of other languages. From memory, I think that this equips you with the input method for the Kanji. If it is not actually part of the OS, then it then comes as a part of the Japanese Language Kit which includes a number of Kanji and alphabetic or Roman fonts (type sets). For 8.5/8.6 there may be a specific, updated language kit. Ours was installed using the 8.5/8.6 update files for an earlier version. The font files are pretty heavy stuff, and your extensions folder will have a number of new things in it. Of course you will be sure that all these extensions are enabled. What options exist for downloading Japanese language kits for OS 8.1 on my home computer? I pulled out an 8.1installation CD but couldn't find language kits for it. Is there any way I can pull the necessary parts off an 8.6 installation disk and drop them on my System Folder for 8.1? I've searched through Google and the apple site but haven't a real clue how to use or find a kit for 8.1. Incidentally, I followed the directions for 8.6 and 9.0, and now pull up mostly flawless Japanese script on my work iMac. However, I might be missing one or two fonts because some sites still come up as gibberish. Frank Modica Prairie School 2102 E. Washington Urbana, IL. 61802 PHONE: 217-384-3551 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
Frank Modica [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: -- What options exist for downloading Japanese language kits for OS 8.1 on my home computer? I pulled out an 8.1installation CD but couldn't find language kits for it. Is there any way I can pull the necessary parts off an 8.6 installation disk and drop them on my System Folder for 8.1? I've searched through Google and the apple site but haven't a real clue how to use or find a kit for 8.1. Can you try booting from the 8.6 CD, choosing Custom Install for your 8.1, and choosing only the Language Kit? I don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try. Incidentally, I followed the directions for 8.6 and 9.0, and now pull up mostly flawless Japanese script on my work iMac. However, I might be missing one or two fonts because some sites still come up as gibberish. If you're using Netscape, you may be able to view the gibberish sites by fiddling with the Character Set (View menu) after the site downloads. There are three different choices for Japanese: Auto-Detect, Shift_JIS, and EUC-JP. Sometimes sites that are gibberish in one choice come up fine in another. (Sorry I don't know how MIE handles the Character Set thing...). Good luck, Rodney (in Hayama, Japan) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
Joseph C. Sis, JR. [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: -- Now I just have to decide if I want to bother with OS 9 or do it all under OS 8.6, any opinions? I have a PB5300ce/117mhz/2G/32mb, though I might be willing to upgrade the RAM to 64mb if needed. I'm running OS 9.0.4 with the JLKit on a G3 (Wallstreet) and the OS itself uses more than 22 MB of RAM. Admittedly, I have never done a thorough review of my extensions to see how many of the ones that are turned on are actually unnecessary but I can't imagine getting much below 20 MB for the OS by paring things down. If there is no reason NOT to upgrade your RAM, my recommendation would be to Go For It. You do, of course, have the option of upping the RAM using Virtual Memory, but 64 MB of installed RAM these days is certainly not excessive. If you upgrade the RAM, use your new leeway to pump up the RAM on some of the RAM-hungry applications such as your Web browser (or ANY Microsloth application ;-). Enjoy, Rodney (in Hayama, Japan) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
Wow, T'hanks for all the input fellow listers, I really appreciate it. I found the Language kits. Now I just have to decide if I want to bother with OS 9 or do it all under OS 8.6, any opinions? I have a PB5300ce/117mhz/2G/32mb, though I might be willing to upgrade the RAM to 64mb if needed. joseph -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
Hi Joseph, I'm glad to know that your son is interested in languages and may want to try writing Japanese. Here is a sort of rough rundown on what you need. This applies to OS 7.6 and up, but NOT OS 9.x which I am informed has more integral language ability. When you do the installation of the OS, be sure to select for installation all the items that apply to language systems on the Mac. OS 8.5/8.6 gives you the option at one stage which allows you to specifically register the installation to focus on Japanese and miss out a long list of other languages. From memory, I think that this equips you with the input method for the Kanji. If it is not actually part of the OS, then it then comes as a part of the Japanese Language Kit which includes a number of Kanji and alphabetic or Roman fonts (type sets). For 8.5/8.6 there may be a specific, updated language kit. Ours was installed using the 8.5/8.6 update files for an earlier version. The font files are pretty heavy stuff, and your extensions folder will have a number of new things in it. Of course you will be sure that all these extensions are enabled. You should be aware of input method. There are two input methods in common use. The default method in the OS and kit is called Koto-eri. These input methods rely on the user typing in the phonetic structure of any word using Roman letters or Romaji. This raises a number of possibilities for eventual selection which are displayed in a little box that comes up on the right of the screen. The selection is based on the fact that the same phonetic structures may refer to more than one Kanji; in other words, the same sounds in different contexts will attain different meanings. And in fact, it may not be expressed in Kanji at all at all but rather in Katakana. The Japanese language uses the Kanji (originally derived from Chinese) and two phonetic syllabaries called Katakana and Hiragana. (The language derives a flexibility from this.) Anyway, as the items are typed into the text body using Romagi, the user can select the proper Japanese content from the box. This sounds slow and laborious, but Japanese people become adapt at it. These input methods are sometimes taught in courses specifically set up to teach and practice this stuff for people who are intending to work in offices and so on. The Japanese keyboard has Hiragana script beside the Roman letters as an aid to typing Hiragana. SNIP... also I am sure there is a Japanese version of the MacOS as well. Yes, there is of course a Japanese OS. But any Japanese application will operate in Japanese and communicate in Japanese with the user - except of course when the English OS cuts in. App menus, dialog boxes and so on will be in Japanese. But you can type Japanese into English applications by turning on koto-eri in the OS menu (it shows just left of the running apps on the right side of the screen.). The English Email client (Eudora 3.0.2) will type Japanese into the text body, and can be read by anyone using and enabling a Kanji font set. Zita wrote: ...SNIP... You'd probably also need Japanese versions of hard disk maintence software to maintain the Japanese OS. No you don't. I used to administrate a Japanese OS Mac in a college. All my standard English utilities worked. With the possible of the iMac with diskROM I can't think of any issues that arise over language incompatabities, and the early iMac had a work-around. Someone raised the issue of more RAM being needed and used. Yes, some. But as your young son is just starting out, you can limit the number of font sets taht load. Just give him one or two so that the he has a Japanese Romaji screen font, and a Kanji set. A little filddling will get you right. I don't think Koto-eri uses very much RAM power. The extesions eat some, and this is the reason that Japanse Macs have always arrived with more stock RAM, either on the logic board or in the slots/cards. I cannot see any advantage to partitioning a disk for two languages. I neither read nor write Japanese. All my input is aural, and I believe this has hampered my speaking ability (mileage varies from person to person). So, I can definitely say that literacy in the language is an incalculable advantage. Good luck to your son. Tell him for me that Japanese is a fascinating, enjoyable language full of rich expression and cultural layers. And when he gets here some day, he'll benefit from his interests in ways that will be more than he can now imagine. PS: If you want Japanese Simple Text, I'll send it to you. SORRY that this is so long everyone, but as a language teacher, my heart goes out to children with a expressed passion for the astonishment to be found in language - the real reason for much of our computing in the first place. Lorne Lorne Spry in Sendai, 160 Km. from Tokyo: provincial adminstration/education center and seaport of 1 million people in Tohoku, the northern region of the island of Honshu, Japan -- PowerBooks is
Re: PB5300 and Kanji items
(There is a stand-alone Japanese OS for the Mac, called KanjiTalk); but I think what you are interested in is the Japanese Language Kit. (There are also several other Language Kits.) The JLK used to be sold separately, and probably still is; but my OS 9.0.4 CD (international) included the language kits. You just do a custom install and choose the Language Kits option and install whichever you need/want. The necessary fonts and keyboard are installed automatically. After installation, the Japanese keyboard (or keyboard for each installed kit) shows up in the keyboard menu (upper right, next to the Applications menu). After installation, you use a program called Language Register to register any applications (word processor, browser, e-mailer, etc.) in which you want to use Japanese. It's pretty straigtforward Mac stuff. I haven't kept up with the background technology, but I believe all this wondrous stuff is possible because of Apple's WorldScript. I'm also not sure which CDs do and do not include the Language Kits. I don't believe they were included in the 8.X CDs; and I don't know about the OS X CDs either. Let me know if any of this isn't clear. (It's perfectly clear to me... ;-) Enjoy, Rodney (in Hayama, Japan) Joseph C. Sis, JR. [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: -- Hello fellow listers, heres a trivia question for the die hards out there. I am getting a Japanese/English Keyboard for my Powerbook 5300 so that my 5 year old can further his love of foreign languages, oh yeah and because it is COOL. I need to find the resources that allow a Mac to use and perhaps run in Japanese. If I remember correctly their is a Kanji Keyboard setting and Font, also I am sure there is a Japanese version of the MacOS as well. Any help, info and pointers to resources is appreciated. Thanks, joseph -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
