Re: Subject: 3400 repairs

[Sionnach Aisling]

Wow! Thanks for all the info Lorne.

I'm really glad I've got the 3400 working now, but I
will definately tuck all that information away...
never know when it might come in handy.

Cheers,
Sionnach

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
http://movies.yahoo.com/

-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by  and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at .

  Support Low End Mac 

PowerBooks list info:   
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Re: Subject: 3400 repairs

[Chris Boring]

>From: Spry/Fujita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >Subject: 3400 repairs
>
>First Sionnach, I wouldn't panic. My own (maybe ignorant) theory is that
>the 3400's ROM is written in such a way that it is very allergic or
>intolerant of certain problems that creep into old disks. I have had some
>very weird startup problems and ghostly things things happen in my 3400,
>but a complete excorism seems to take care of it, and I continue to love
>this machine. If you did a fast initialization, it may be that it needs
>more heat turned up on it.
>
>Use your 8.6 install disk. Find  and reformat the drive using
>both the options for  *and* . I'm sure
>that you are aware that this will take awhile. Update the driver _again_!
>Install the system, and then I would run either Norton or Tech Tool Pro on
>it. EVERY time I do this something is screwed up on a fresh installation.
>Rebuild the desktop. By the way, the trackpad will not work until after you
>install the system and then go to the Trackpad CP to turn on the click and
>drag options - so don't freak. (I once installed a spare thinking that the
>original had gone bad.) Also one of my excorism rituals is to pull the
>battery and leave the unit on backup for no less than 10 minutes. Why?
>Ritual and it works.
>
>OK, some of this makes sense and some of it may not, but it has worked for
>me. Recently I had to do an excorism because of some very weird buildup of
>little gremilins which NO utility regardless of power  or special talents
>could fix - and I used SIX of them! The result of my excorism is that  the
>unit runs very, very slick. An amazing difference. I start forgetting about
>all the G-3 'Book demonstrators at the Mac outlet.
>
>BTW: I've accidently dropped 3400's from heights onto hard floors with no
>appreciable effects in performance afterwards, so I'm inclined to think
>that shipment has not toasted it. Still, I'd  be inclined to crack the case
>and reseat everything like ribbon connectors, boards blah blah.
>
>Excuse me if you have done a similar bunch of stuff already. Ja matta neh -

This is one of those super educational posts that I archive on my hard drive 
to refer to when I have trouble.

Thanks Lorne.


-doktorboring

http://www.mp3.com/c6h6
http://listen.to/vektor7

AIM- Doktor242
MSN+Yahoo- doktorboring

"Of course you can’t ‘trust’ what people tell you on the web anymore than 
you can ‘trust’ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in 
restaurants"

- Douglas Adams




_
Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com


-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com>.

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

PowerBooks list info:   <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml>
Send list messages to:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Subject: 3400 repairs

[Spry/Fujita]

>Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:53:50 -0800 (PST)
>From: Sionnach Aisling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: 3400 repairs

First Sionnach, I wouldn't panic. My own (maybe ignorant) theory is that
the 3400's ROM is written in such a way that it is very allergic or
intolerant of certain problems that creep into old disks. I have had some
very weird startup problems and ghostly things things happen in my 3400,
but a complete excorism seems to take care of it, and I continue to love
this machine. If you did a fast initialization, it may be that it needs
more heat turned up on it.

Use your 8.6 install disk. Find  and reformat the drive using
both the options for  *and* . I'm sure
that you are aware that this will take awhile. Update the driver _again_!
Install the system, and then I would run either Norton or Tech Tool Pro on
it. EVERY time I do this something is screwed up on a fresh installation.
Rebuild the desktop. By the way, the trackpad will not work until after you
install the system and then go to the Trackpad CP to turn on the click and
drag options - so don't freak. (I once installed a spare thinking that the
original had gone bad.) Also one of my excorism rituals is to pull the
battery and leave the unit on backup for no less than 10 minutes. Why?
Ritual and it works.

OK, some of this makes sense and some of it may not, but it has worked for
me. Recently I had to do an excorism because of some very weird buildup of
little gremilins which NO utility regardless of power  or special talents
could fix - and I used SIX of them! The result of my excorism is that  the
unit runs very, very slick. An amazing difference. I start forgetting about
all the G-3 'Book demonstrators at the Mac outlet.

BTW: I've accidently dropped 3400's from heights onto hard floors with no
appreciable effects in performance afterwards, so I'm inclined to think
that shipment has not toasted it. Still, I'd  be inclined to crack the case
and reseat everything like ribbon connectors, boards blah blah.

Excuse me if you have done a similar bunch of stuff already. Ja matta neh -
Lorne





-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com>.

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

PowerBooks list info:   <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml>
Send list messages to:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Subject: 3400 repairs

[Spry/Fujita]

>Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:53:50 -0800 (PST)
>From: Sionnach Aisling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: 3400 repairs

First Sionnach, I wouldn't panic. My own (maybe ignorant) theory is that
the 3400's ROM is written in such a way that it is very allergic or
intolerant of certain problems that creep into old disks. I have had some
very weird startup problems and ghostly things things happen in my 3400,
but a complete excorism seems to take care of it, and I continue to love
this machine. If you did a fast initialization, it may be that it needs
more heat turned up on it.

Use your 8.6 install disk. Find  and reformat the drive using
both the options for  *and* . I'm sure
that you are aware that this will take awhile. Update the driver _again_!
Install the system, and then I would run either Norton or Tech Tool Pro on
it. EVERY time I do this something is screwed up on a fresh installation.
Rebuild the desktop. By the way, the trackpad will not work until after you
install the system and then go to the Trackpad CP to turn on the click and
drag options - so don't freak. (I once installed a spare thinking that the
original had gone bad.) Also one of my excorism rituals is to pull the
battery and leave the unit on backup for no less than 10 minutes. Why?
Ritual and it works.

OK, some of this makes sense and some of it may not, but it has worked for
me. Recently I had to do an excorism because of some very weird buildup of
little gremilins which NO utility regardless of power  or special talents
could fix - and I used SIX of them! The result of my excorism is that  the
unit runs very, very slick. An amazing difference. I start forgetting about
all the G-3 'Book demonstrators at the Mac outlet.

BTW: I've accidently dropped 3400's from heights onto hard floors with no
appreciable effects in performance afterwards, so I'm inclined to think
that shipment has not toasted it. Still, I'd  be inclined to crack the case
and reseat everything like ribbon connectors, boards blah blah.

Excuse me if you have done a similar bunch of stuff already. Ja matta neh -
Lorne





-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com>.

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

PowerBooks list info:   <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml>
Send list messages to:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Re: 3400 repairs

[Sionnach Aisling]

My CD does indeed have a full restore option as well
as a patch option as Tom pointed out earlier.

It was also definately a bad hard drive...  I hadn't
taken it out until now.  I knew the drive was bad as
soon as I removed it from the case.  In all my years
of working with laptop hard drives (or any hard drives
for that matter) I have never heard one make so much
racket when you turn it from side to side... 
Something was definately broken in there...

I dropped the 2GB in and it's working flawlessy... 
Guess I need to go shopping now for a 20GB.

Thanks everyone for your input.

Cheers, 
Sionnach

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
http://movies.yahoo.com/

-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by  and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at .

  Support Low End Mac 

PowerBooks list info:   
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Re: 3400 repairs

[Sionnach Aisling]

--- Christopher Morgenstierne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Excuse me, but I thought the 8.6 disk was not a full
> system but - like 8.1
> - only an update of 8.5?
> Anyway, if I were you I would run Norton or Techtool
> on the 3400 c, either
> from CD or from in disk mode via SCSI form a desktop
> Mac (it COULD also be
> your CD that has problems..)
> 

Hm... I was wondering the same thing, actually.
8.6 is definately an update to 8.5, but I didn't know
if the 8.6 CD is only to update an 8.5 system, or if
it is a full install that goes right to 8.6.  I would
assume that if it were just an update, when I tried to
run the install, it would tell me that it couldn't
find a previous installation or something to that
effect... but then, maybe I've been working with PC's
too long ;-)

Since the CD is marked for a G3 and has a "Reinstall
System Software" utility that tries to reinstall the
OS and other Apple Utilities, I am again assuming it
is the whole deal...  Maybe I'm wrong.  My Dad has an
OS 8.5 CD, I could certainly try installing that
first.

As for Norton or Techtool, I don't have either
(actually, I am extremely against products developed
by Symantec.  I do not like them at all and have had a
long history of various problems with every piece of
their software I've ever used... another story that I
won't go into here.)  Actually... thinking back, I
might have a copy of techtool on a demo CD I have at
the house... I'll have to check it out.  It would
certainly be worth trying your suggestions before I go
to all the trouble of tearing the machine open and
dropping the new drive in.

Cheers,
Sionnach

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
http://sports.yahoo.com/

-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by  and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at .

  Support Low End Mac 

PowerBooks list info:   
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Re: 3400 repairs

[Tom Roth]

The 8.6 CD I have has got both an updater and a full installer on it.  Running Norton 
and TechTools is a good idea though as it's always nice to install on a HD that is 
known good.

 
 Tom Roth  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  tel 336.716.4493
 Wake Forest University School of Medicine
 Dept of Biomedical Communications
 Medical Center Blvd  *  Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
 http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/



> --
> From: Christopher Morgenstierne
> Reply To: PowerBooks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:17 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  3400 repairs
> 
> 
> Excuse me, but I thought the 8.6 disk was not a full system but - like 8.1
> - only an update of 8.5?
> Anyway, if I were you I would run Norton or Techtool on the 3400 c, either
> from CD or from in disk mode via SCSI form a desktop Mac (it COULD also be
> your CD that has problems..)
> 
> Christopher
> Denmark
> 
> 
> 
> 

--
PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com>.

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

PowerBooks list info:   <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml>
Send list messages to:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

3400 repairs

[Christopher Morgenstierne]

>Last night I put the RAM in, rebooted from the 8.6 CD
>and verified that it saw the RAM. (By the way, when
>booting off the CD, it would say that the disk was
>unreadable and it wanted to Initialize it.)  Next I
>decided to try and reinsatll the OS.  I tried running
>the install from the desktop, first, but, of course,
>since it didn't initialize the disk, I couldn't see
>the disk to install to

Excuse me, but I thought the 8.6 disk was not a full system but - like 8.1
- only an update of 8.5?
Anyway, if I were you I would run Norton or Techtool on the 3400 c, either
from CD or from in disk mode via SCSI form a desktop Mac (it COULD also be
your CD that has problems..)

Christopher
Denmark



-- 
PowerBooks is sponsored by  and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler 
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at .

  Support Low End Mac 

PowerBooks list info:   
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com

Re: 3400 repairs

[Tom Roth]

> --
> From: Sionnach Aisling
> Reply To: PowerBooks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:53 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  3400 repairs
> 
> At this point, unless you guys can think of something
> I missed, I'm going to assume the laptop probably had
> a rough trip and the hard drive has sustained enough
> damage that it is toast. (Toast being the technical
> term ;-) ) I have a 2gb drive here from another PC
> based laptop which works fine.  I was thinking of
> trying to swap that in and install to it to see if I
> could get that working, and, if so, will probably just
> buy like a 20gb drive or something and leave it at
> that...
> 
Sounds like you've done everything I would have done up to this point.  Hope it is 
just the hard drive.  I was able to take a HD from an IBM StinkPad and install in my 
PB3400 and it's working fine.  Just boot from your OS 8.6 CD and use Drive Setup to 
reformat the drive.  Then go to the Function menu and choose Update Driver.  Finally, 
then install the OS.

 
 Tom Roth  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  tel 336.716.4493
 Wake Forest University School of Medicine
 Dept of Biomedical Communications
 Medical Center Blvd  *  Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
 http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/




--
PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

  Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com   | Enter To Win A |
  -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299   |  Free iBook!   |

 RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler
 CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com>.

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

PowerBooks list info:   <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml>
Send list messages to:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com