Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-15 Thread william ahearn 

>
>Even if Apple post the material on their web site as a free download, that
>doesn't mean they forfeit their copyright on it, and if they state that it
>is illegal to distribute the material in any way, than that's that and these
>CDs, people offering to email them to one another and all the other
>suggestions made are a violation of Apple's copyrights.
>
OK. You don't get any.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-15 Thread Joost van de Griek 

On 2002-07-14 01:29, "william ahearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Sure, but all that stuff was stolen off of Apple's service provider's web
>> site.
>
> Nonsense. You can freely download Apple service manuals. One can argue that
> there is a copyright violation in the sale of the material but not for its
> distribution.

Actually, one can.

Even if Apple post the material on their web site as a free download, that
doesn't mean they forfeit their copyright on it, and if they state that it
is illegal to distribute the material in any way, than that's that and these
CDs, people offering to email them to one another and all the other
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-14 Thread Eric B. Richardson 

>or you can go to  and
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-14 Thread George Mogiljansky 

Thanks, William and bmgu3. That's what user-groups are
for, in case anybody forgot.
George

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> that can be a big
> problem  might want to watch the size first.
> - Original Message -
> From: "william ahearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple Tech Manual CD
> 
> 
> > >Stolen info (according to Peter)?
> > >C'mon!
> > >What models - i.e. Beige G3, Rev.A?
> > >I'll pay shipping.
> > >George
> > >
> > What manuals do you need? I'll email them. No
> shipping. Let me know.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Bmgu3 

Well again I amke an offer to help and I get shot at big time, I had stated
if someone wanted the manuals they would have to ship me a blank cd and
shipping costs, but alas it seems that I am making money of the deal, no, I
bought the cd like someone else did because of the fact I own PB's as well
as older classics, and my 9600. So for me it was a good idea. I also have
kids whom I have to be able to fix their macs as well. But since there is so
much complaining I am withdrawing my thoughtless offer. I am sure a few of
those who also have the lem swap list know I just dropped that due to a
problem. Pretty soon I won't have to use my email,,,
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Beverly Woods 

Hi folks,

  To quote our esteemed ListMom here:

"Please do not post the URLs for Apple service manuals."

> or you can go to  and
> connect to what you need,
>
Also, please make sure any offerings you make to the list of copyrighted
material are in compliance with copyright law, as detailed by the ListMom a
few weeks ago. If you are in doubt, feel free to write to me offlist.

Thanks.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Paul Nelson 

At 3:52 PM -0400 7/13/02, bmgu3 wrote:
>Yes but how else will you find the old info? I have the same cd I use it and
>in fact would be glad to let a few copies go for shipping, I figure it is a
>help nothing else.

You just do it the way we have been doing all along.  Get it from
Apple, when it lets you.  It's quite another thing to steal the whole thing
and sell it for profit.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Brian 

>Some of the listers only have dialups and believe me that can be a big
>problem  might want to watch the size first.

plus the more often that the manual sites address get posted, the faster
they get taken down.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread bmgu3 

Some of the listers only have dialups and believe me that can be a big
problem  might want to watch the size first.
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Subject: Re: Apple Tech Manual CD


> >Stolen info (according to Peter)?
> >C'mon!
> >What models - i.e. Beige G3, Rev.A?
> >I'll pay shipping.
> >George
> >
> What manuals do you need? I'll email them. No shipping. Let me know.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread junbelen 




> or you can go to  and
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Thnak you very much.
I have heard so much argument on what material is in "public domain" and
what could be "legally" done with it...
But when the screen on my 3400c goes pale and if I need to open my 5300 to
change the hard drive, I feel that Apple has to have that info for me
somewhere. After all, it wasn't part of the User's Manual and User's Guide
that came with my unit...
I've tried Apples' server and sometimes, it's there and sometimes' it
isn't...
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread william ahearn 

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread william ahearn 

>Stolen info (according to Peter)?
>C'mon!
>What models - i.e. Beige G3, Rev.A?
>I'll pay shipping.
>George
>
What manuals do you need? I'll email them. No shipping. Let me know.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread George Mogiljansky 

Stolen info (according to Peter)?
C'mon!
What models - i.e. Beige G3, Rev.A?
I'll pay shipping.
George

--- bmgu3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes but how else will you find the old info? I have
> the same cd I use it and
> in fact would be glad to let a few copies go for
> shipping, I figure it is a
> help nothing else.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread william ahearn 

>Yes but how else will you find the old info? I have the same cd I use it and
>in fact would be glad to let a few copies go for shipping, I figure it is a
>help nothing else.
>
A lot of times Apple doesn't want you to find out how to service old 
machines. I guess they figure if your PB 160 can't be saved, you'll 
buy a TiBook. But I believe they are legally required to have the 
service manuals available . . . somewhere.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread william ahearn 

>
>Sure, but all that stuff was stolen off of Apple's service provider's web
>site.
>
Nonsense. You can freely download Apple service manuals. One can 
argue that there is a copyright violation in the sale of the material 
but not for its distribution. A hair too fine to be split if ya ask 
me.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread bmgu3 

Yes but how else will you find the old info? I have the same cd I use it and
in fact would be glad to let a few copies go for shipping, I figure it is a
help nothing else.




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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread PeterH5322 


In a message dated 7/13/02 6:58:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< The CD (found on eBay) was EXCELLENT! >>

Sure, but all that stuff was stolen off of Apple's service provider's web 
site.

Someone should e-mail eBay that the stuff is copyrighted and has been 
reproduced without Apple's expressed permission, and then permanently ban the 
seller.

Yeah, the seller was actually bold enough to admit ... on the very last line 
of the auction listing ... that the stuff was "unofficial".

"Unofficial" ... is apparently a synonym for "piracy" in that Bozo's 
dictionary.

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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Bmgu3 

Gee and to think I could have made a copy of mine and let those who needed
it send me a cd and pay for shipping. I also have Macbence 5 on cd as well.
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Re: Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread william ahearn 

>Hello PowerBook List-ners,
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>I
>
>The CD (found on eBay) was EXCELLENT!

And the various Mac service manuals are on separate PDFs so you can 
collect all of them. Trade then with your friends. And more!

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Apple Tech Manual CD

2002-07-13 Thread Mister H 

Hello PowerBook List-ners,

I've literally hacked into the innards of older Macs for years, but found
that when it came to PowerBooks I needed to be a bit more careful not to
break delicate plastic parts.

Having just received a PowerBook 5300 in need of some repair, this time I
decided to wait and get the Apple Tech Manual CD to tell me how to do the
job right the first time.

The CD (found on eBay) was EXCELLENT! I was able to run it on a PB1400c set
up right behind the project table where I worked on the 5300. The CD took me
step-by-step into the PowerBook and helped me to remove only the parts I
needed in order to get the job done.

I replaced the trackpad with palm rests, added a Ram Card, and replaced the
keyboard safely- all without any damage to the 'Book in the process.

I spent just under $20 for the CD including shipping and handling. Money
well spent in my opinion. Just thought you all might want to know this
resource is available to you­ and it covers most all Apple Macs, printers,
scanners and MORE! The CD says it requires 8.6 to run the Acrobat Reader
installer, but I ran it w/7.5.3 and used an older version of Acrobat Reader
already installed. It worked just fine­ and now I have two PowerBooks
instead of just the one.

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