Re: Forthcoming list software (restrictions on number ofpostings)
on 6/4/03 1:17 AM, Eric L. Strobel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps with provision for allowing such folks to serve out their sentences and be released on parole... Absolutely -- maybe even time off for good behavior. Best, Victoria -- Let's take back our country in 2004: Howard Dean! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software
On 5/30/03 3:59 AM, Andrew Kershaw posted: Sounds interesting... I'm not sure how I feel about limiting the number of posts to a list (3 posts a day seems low to me - there are lots of people on this list that would exceed that), but I'll probably get over it. ;-) Are you planning on making the software commercial? If not, may I suggest making it open source? I know that programming by committee can really slow things down and cause feature creep, but maybe after you've finished the initial release you could open it up to the community. That way you could get some serious muscle behind it. An open source list manager may be pretty useful. Once I have all the pieces in place, I plan on making it open source. I don't want to get involved with programming by committee until it's time to tweak and improve the basics. My current plan is to release it as open source shareware on the honor system. Terms of use will explicity prohibit use for sending unsolicited messages. Will probably allow any nonprofit or personal management of a single mailing list for free. Commercial users and those with multiple lists will probably be requested to pay $5/year per mailing list. At this point, it looks like we'll mostly be using PHP and MySQL. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net Please have your pet peeves spayed or neutered. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software
On 5/30/03 3:59 AM, victoria brandon posted: Dan Knight proposed a feature that would: We've had problems on some lists with one person becoming very dominant. The number of postings per day wouldn't be fixed. Probably no less than three, but it could go as high as maybe 20-25% of all postings in the past 24 hours. This one will need fine tuning in the field. The goal is to let the lists function well without allowing a single individual to take over the list. Of course the privilege of unlimited posting can lead to abuses, but it hasn't happened on *this* list -- quite the contrary, the most knowledgeable members seem to contribute the most frequently, and often in little bursts of helpfulness as they try to solve three or four people's problems simultaneously. It seems a shame to squelch this. Could things be set up so that postings over a certain number *might* (at the option of a listnanny, say) be cut off, rather than having it happen automatically? Thus providing a big stick to wave at malefactors if needed without interfering with normal give and take. It has to be automatic, because we just don't have list managers available 24/7 to do things manually. The exact number will vary based on how busy the list is. If there are 100 postings per day, the minimum will be much higher than 3. If there are less than 10 postings per day, 3 might be a very reasonable limit. We really won't know until we do it. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently. -- Nietzsche -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software (restrictions on number ofpostings)
In response to my suggestion that Could things be set up so that postings over a certain number *might* (at the option of a listnanny, say) be cut off, rather than having it happen automatically? Thus providing a big stick to wave at malefactors if needed without interfering with normal give and take. Dan Knight wrote: It has to be automatic, because we just don't have list managers available 24/7 to do things manually. The exact number will vary based on how busy the list is. If there are 100 postings per day, the minimum will be much higher than 3. If there are less than 10 postings per day, 3 might be a very reasonable limit. It sounds like the limitations proposed will be flexible enough to fit the eventualities, but the kind of arrangement I had vaguely in mind was not constant monitoring, but rather a proviso that postings over x per day [or whatever formula was decided upon] are subject to rejection, followed by a discretionary posting-too-much warning sent to an individual who seemed to be turning into a list-hog, which could then be backed up by turning on rejection mechanism aimed at that particular person which would automatically restrict his/her postings in the future. Best, Victoria -- Defend democracy: repeal the Patriot Act -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software (restrictions on number of postings)
Hear, Hear! Excellent suggestion. Hope they consider it. It sounds like the limitations proposed will be flexible enough to fit the eventualities, but the kind of arrangement I had vaguely in mind was not constant monitoring, but rather a proviso that postings over x per day [or whatever formula was decided upon] are subject to rejection, followed by a discretionary posting-too-much warning sent to an individual who seemed to be turning into a list-hog, which could then be backed up by turning on rejection mechanism aimed at that particular person which would automatically restrict his/her postings in the future. Best, Victoria -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software (restrictions on number ofpostings)
somewhere near the temporal coordinates of 6/3/03 6:32 PM, the entity known as victoria brandon transmitted the following from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It sounds like the limitations proposed will be flexible enough to fit the eventualities, but the kind of arrangement I had vaguely in mind was not constant monitoring, but rather a proviso that postings over x per day [or whatever formula was decided upon] are subject to rejection, followed by a discretionary posting-too-much warning sent to an individual who seemed to be turning into a list-hog, which could then be backed up by turning on rejection mechanism aimed at that particular person which would automatically restrict his/her postings in the future. Perhaps with provision for allowing such folks to serve out their sentences and be released on parole... - Eric. -- Eric Strobel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat??? = -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Forthcoming list software
On 5/26/03 3:32 PM, Eric L. Strobel posted: somewhere near the temporal coordinates of 5/26/03 8:28 AM, the entity known as Dan Knight transmitted the following from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Our software will. 2. Number all messages in each list. As long as the numbering doesn't appear in the subject. No. It will probably be the first line of the message, something like: PowerBook List Message #12345, part of digest #8765. This should help keep feed and digest mode subscribers on the same page, too. 4. Let us limit how often someone can post per 24 hour period. You'll likely have to be flexible on this for a while. I'd suggest it might be more useful to limit how many times one can post in a particular thread. In principle this is a good idea, to prevent lengthy, runaway OT discussions, but sometimes when folks are helping a newbie troubleshoot, there can be a lot of give take. We've had problems on some lists with one person becoming very dominant. The number of postings per day wouldn't be fixed. Probably no less than three, but it could go as high as maybe 20-25% of all postings in the past 24 hours. This one will need fine tuning in the field. The goal is to let the lists function well without allowing a single individual to take over the list. In any event, it may be a good idea to have a month or so of 'warnings' when this first gets implemented. Instead of rejecting the posts outright, for some period of time, just send an e-mail telling the person that they are now X over the proposed daily limit. We'll have the best error messages ever. :-) It's going to be big, but we can build it one piece at a time. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net -- insert clever tagline here -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forthcoming list software
Sounds interesting... I'm not sure how I feel about limiting the number of posts to a list (3 posts a day seems low to me - there are lots of people on this list that would exceed that), but I'll probably get over it. ;-) Are you planning on making the software commercial? If not, may I suggest making it open source? I know that programming by committee can really slow things down and cause feature creep, but maybe after you've finished the initial release you could open it up to the community. That way you could get some serious muscle behind it. An open source list manager may be pretty useful. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Want to know if your neighbor has Wi-Fi? Find out with ClassicStumbler 1.6! Now with REAL cheese! http://www.alksoft.com/classicstumbler.html -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
