Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Andrew Kershaw]

Vicki wrote:
If I remember correctly if you use a PB in scsi mode it shows up as a disk
attached to that mac. When you use an installer on that disk , Then (this is
the part that I think so someone correct me if I am wrong) The installer
will install the required software for the Mac desktop and not the
powerbook.
Alex wrote:

Picked the target, selected
custom install, picked the 'all' option and started. The install process
updated the Apple Disk Drivers, and installed the OS.
He said he picked the 'all' option - hence a universal install.  When 
you do that, you install all the options for all the computers, so 
the installed System Folder should boot ANYTHING that can run that 
version of the OS.

Of course, your method works well and is more-or-less foolproof.

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[vicki]

On 1/9/04 5:52 AM, "Alex Dumitru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The last version of MacOS that ran on the PB 5300 (and all PPC PB's pre G3)
> is 9.1. That's according to a MacOS vs. machine model matrix that I found on
> the apple site.
> 
> I am actually trying to install from an original MacOS 9.0.x CD. So it's not
> an issue that the OS won't work on the machine. I did successfully update my
> PB 2300 to 9.0 and subsequently updated it to 9.1 using the same technique.
> 
> thanks
> alex
> 
> 
Hi all I think that there is a bit of looking to hard here for the answer.

If I remember correctly if you use a PB in scsi mode it shows up as a disk
attached to that mac. When you use an installer on that disk , Then (this is
the part that I think so someone correct me if I am wrong) The installer
will install the required software for the Mac desktop and not the
powerbook.

To get around it you need to drag the installer to the book hdd and then
disconnect and restart and do an install from there.

If you still have the G3 you need to connect it all back up and clear the PB
HDD. Then make a boot floppy restart the PB with it and then go from there
with a clean install.

Do this by dragging the complete installer to the drive of the PB and then
booting the PB  from the floppy and run the installer you have already
copied to the drive.

If you need any help off list mail me.

Vicki


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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[KG]

> I've been reading about it all night.  Maybe one of these days I'll
> undertake the academic exercise of installing 9.2.2 on my 5300ce.

If you do, let us know. OS9Forever says it doesn't work. Not that I would
ever want to run OS 9 on my 5300, let alone 9.2.2, but it would be
interesting to see.

I've never found anything above 8.1 to be practical on a 5300. In fact, 8.1
is the only version I will run on one.

>The last version of MacOS that ran on the PB 5300 (and all PPC PB's pre G3)
is 9.1. That's according to a MacOS vs. machine model matrix that I found on
> the apple site.

All that means is that Apple doesn't support anything above 9.1. Since I
have booted 9.2.2 on a PB3400, that kind of blows what Apple is saying out
of the water.

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

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>In fact, due to the
>problems that the Sonnet extension has had with 8.6 and the 1400, it may not
>even work *without* 9.1 (although it does work in 8.1, so that may be an
>option for some users).

9.0 worked (and presently works) fine with the NewerTech G3 card in my 
1400.

It also worked fine with earlier versions of MacOS.

I'm going to (re-)install 8.6 on my (NewerTech-ed) 1400. 9.x just doesn't 
leave enough RAM for doing anything serious.

It appears the Sonnet G3 cards has problems not found in the NewerTech G3 
card for 1400s.


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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I installed 9.0 on my 1400, and RAM sure is tight. Higher than 9.0 would 
> be even worse.

On the other hand, if you have a G3 in your 1400, I strongly recommend 9.1
(granted you'll need to max out RAM and turn VM on). In fact, due to the
problems that the Sonnet extension has had with 8.6 and the 1400, it may not
even work *without* 9.1 (although it does work in 8.1, so that may be an
option for some users).

I use 9.1 regularly on my 1400 with 60MB RAM, and it does pretty well. The
fact I have a G3/333 in it does help. :)

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[ACFX44501]

>FWIW, I think that unless you absolutely have to run OS 9.x, you're 
>wasting a lot of computer resources on your 5300 using that OS.  I'd 
>go back to 8.6  But my word's not gospel, of course, and plenty 
>of people will say the opposite.

RAM is so short on these machines that 8.6 is surely recommended on that 
basis alone.

I installed 9.0 on my 1400, and RAM sure is tight. Higher than 9.0 would 
be even worse.

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Mark Benson]

On Jan 9, 2004, at 05:52 am, Alex Dumitru wrote:

The last version of MacOS that ran on the PB 5300 (and all PPC PB's 
pre G3)
is 9.1. That's according to a MacOS vs. machine model matrix that I 
found on
the apple site.

I am actually trying to install from an original MacOS 9.0.x CD. So 
it's not
an issue that the OS won't work on the machine. I did successfully 
update my
PB 2300 to 9.0 and subsequently updated it to 9.1 using the same 
technique.
OK, why not tell us what 'Sad Mac' code you get. They can be decoded 
(try Googling for Sad Mac Error Codes). I have found my 5300 board I'm 
working on for a project keeps popping the RAM card off, and as OS 9.1 
requires 16MB or more (or is it 32MB?) it crashes at startup when it 
tries to load OS 9.

It doesn't have anything on top of the RAM card to hold it down mind 
you which might not be the case with an assembled unit. Anyhoo, the 
code will tell you what is wrong

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Andrew Kershaw]

The last version of MacOS that ran on the PB 5300 (and all PPC PB's pre G3)
is 9.1. That's according to a MacOS vs. machine model matrix that I found on
the apple site.
Yes, well, 9.1 is the last _supported_ OS on anything short of the 
Wallstreet.  However, 9.2.2 CAN run on the 5300, Apple just doesn't 
support it.

Why anyone would _want_ to do that is beyond me, but it can be done, 
apparently.

I've been reading about it all night.  Maybe one of these days I'll 
undertake the academic exercise of installing 9.2.2 on my 5300ce.

FWIW, I think that unless you absolutely have to run OS 9.x, you're 
wasting a lot of computer resources on your 5300 using that OS.  I'd 
go back to 8.6  But my word's not gospel, of course, and plenty 
of people will say the opposite.
I am actually trying to install from an original MacOS 9.0.x CD. So it's not
an issue that the OS won't work on the machine. I did successfully update my
PB 2300 to 9.0 and subsequently updated it to 9.1 using the same technique.
I don't know what could have caused your problem, but I'd suspect 
disk issues.  Maybe the disk drivers got corrupted?

Try running Disk Warrior.  From time to time I've nuked SCSI disks by 
hooking them up improperly (yeah, don't ask), and it turned out to be 
problems that DW could fix when Disk First Aid couldn't even tell 
what the problem was...

Have you tried zapping the PRAM?  That might not help, but it won't 
hurt either.  Was this an upgrade from a previous OS, or did you do a 
clean install?  If an update, try deleting the Finder and system 
prefs.

How big is your HD?  Be aware that using SCSI Disk Mode with a disk 
larger than 4 GB can be dangerous.

Peace,
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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Alex Dumitru]

The last version of MacOS that ran on the PB 5300 (and all PPC PB's pre G3)
is 9.1. That's according to a MacOS vs. machine model matrix that I found on
the apple site.

I am actually trying to install from an original MacOS 9.0.x CD. So it's not
an issue that the OS won't work on the machine. I did successfully update my
PB 2300 to 9.0 and subsequently updated it to 9.1 using the same technique.

thanks
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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Andrew Kershaw]

Ihe PB5300 is based on a NuBus architecture, and from what people have been
able to figure out about 9.2.x, Apple seems to have removed some of the
components needed for NuBus support.t won't run on a 5300 no matter what
you do, although it can be hacked onto a 1400 with some difficulty.
Well this is confusing.  I vaguely remember there being some 
discussion as to whether or not 9.2.2 will run on a NuBus machine, 
but don't remember an outcome.

In any case, the 1400 and 5300 are virtually the same machine (more 
or less the only difference is the shape and the fact that the 1400 
has a faster CPU and maybe some cache depending on the model).  If it 
will run on a 1400, it will run on a 5300.

This page  says it will work on 
NuBus Macs with "limited success," whatever that means.

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[KG]

> I have just installed 9.1 on a PowerBook 1400cs wanted to use 9.2.2 but
> advise from Apple was it is incompatible and 9.1 is the latest I can
> install.  Maybe the same with the 5300?

The PB5300 is based on a NuBus architecture, and from what people have been
able to figure out about 9.2.x, Apple seems to have removed some of the
components needed for NuBus support. It won't run on a 5300 no matter what
you do, although it can be hacked onto a 1400 with some difficulty.
>
> 9.2.2 will work only on a G3 machine so I would suspect Firmware
> problems.

Not exactly true. You can install 9.2.x on any PCI-based pre-G3 Power Mac or
Powerbook with the help of OS9Helper.

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Re: PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Harry Brooks]

Good Afternoon Alex	

I have just installed 9.1 on a PowerBook 1400cs wanted to use 9.2.2 but 
advise from Apple was it is incompatible and 9.1 is the latest I can 
install.  Maybe the same with the 5300?

9.2.2 will work only on a G3 machine so I would suspect Firmware 
problems.  Perhaps start up from earlier 9 install disk and use Disk 
First and reformat?

Harry

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PB 5300 OS Installation Problems...

[Alex Dumitru]

Thanks to all that have answered my query about updating the OS on my
PB5300.

Here is a brief summary of what happened and where I am at right now:

Since I wanted to go to OS 9, it became clear that the aging Quadra  would
not do the trick. So, I borrowed a friend's beige G3 desktop with OS9.2.2. I
opened up the Powerbook control panel and set the scsi ID for the PB, hooked
up all the cables and booted everything. So far so good. The PB gave me the
flashing SCSI icon and the desktop mounted the PB's HD.

I put the OS 9 CD in the drive and brought up Disk First Aid. When checking
the PB's HD Disk First Aid reported an unknown, unfixable error. Ok. No big
deal. Rather than having two OS's on the PB, I would back up the data and
proceed with a fresh installation. So I transfered all the data to the
desktop, fired up Disk Utilities and re-initialized the PB's HD. I ran Disk
First Aid again, and everything was A-OK.

I then proceeded to do an installation of OS 9. Picked the target, selected
custom install, picked the 'all' option and started. The install process
updated the Apple Disk Drivers, and installed the OS.

Powered off everything, disconected cables, and rebooted the PB. I does the
self check, brings up the little happy macm starts booting, and then I get a
sad mac and the chimes of death.

Does anybody have any insight on what could have possibly gone wrong?

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. I still have the G3 here, and can
reinstall, download utilities etc.

thanks
alex



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