Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Phillip Young]

Hello PB Users,

I've just started running OS 7.1 on my PB 170.  I had 7.5.5, I found
that OS 7.1 is more stable and quicker to load up.

I was wondering where can I get an older version of Archicad?

Also, where can I get a battery monitor program for the PB 100 series?

Phil

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:05:47 +1000
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Subject: Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

Hi all, Joe asked ...

>I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt
get it
>yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are:
25Mhz
>68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit
>passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will
System
>7.5.3/.5 run good on it?  I want to have the maximum amount of
>compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor. 
Would an
>application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about
RAM
>Charger?  Thanks.


I am running 7.1 on my PB 145b 80HD with the max 8Meg Ram installed. 
I have Ram Doubler as well which makes the OS see 16mb and have 
virtual Memory turned off mainly for power conservation with mobile 
use. I find it fine for word processing on the road using WriteNow 4 
which has microscopic memory requirements, and accessing my Hypercard 
stacks. Also OK for sending and receiving faxes with STF. Ram Doubler 
is brilliant and allows me to occasionally access ancient CAD files 
which require a 1990's program that needs 8mb to open. I am running 
software FPU as well (dogged slow!) to run this old Archicad program, 
but it works when I need it. Someone else mentioned other useful 
utilities such as Windowshade, BeHierarchic, MacPostit which work 
well.

I understand that system 7.5 will run on the 145b, but I found that 
7.1 is so stable and does what I need that I have stuck with it.

Good luck with it!

Ian Ross

PS I just checked with Techtool 1.1.3 and my 145b was first booted up 
on 21/3/94 (10th birthday in 4 days) and has clocked up 9770 hours 
which means that I have spent  8.96% of my life in front of this 
powerbook alone over the past ten years!
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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Joe]

Thanks everyone who replied, it looks like I'm going to stick with
System 7.1 on this.  I run System 7.1 on my Mac SE with 4MB RAM and a
160MB HD and it runs quite good for a 68000...but that's for another
list.  But I have System 7.1 floppies, will they install the necessary
control panels and/or extensions for the PowerBook 145b, or do I need to
have special PowerBook install disks?

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Hi all, Joe asked ...

>I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt get it 
>yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are: 25Mhz 
>68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit 
>passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will 
>System 7.5.3/.5 run good on it?  I want to have the maximum amount of 
>compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor.  Would an

>application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about RAM 
>Charger?  Thanks.


I am running 7.1 on my PB 145b 80HD with the max 8Meg Ram installed. 
I have Ram Doubler as well which makes the OS see 16mb and have 
virtual Memory turned off mainly for power conservation with mobile 
use. I find it fine for word processing on the road using WriteNow 4 
which has microscopic memory requirements, and accessing my Hypercard 
stacks. Also OK for sending and receiving faxes with STF. Ram Doubler 
is brilliant and allows me to occasionally access ancient CAD files 
which require a 1990's program that needs 8mb to open. I am running 
software FPU as well (dogged slow!) to run this old Archicad program, 
but it works when I need it. Someone else mentioned other useful 
utilities such as Windowshade, BeHierarchic, MacPostit which work 
well.

I understand that system 7.5 will run on the 145b, but I found that 
7.1 is so stable and does what I need that I have stuck with it.

Good luck with it!

Ian Ross

PS I just checked with Techtool 1.1.3 and my 145b was first booted up 
on 21/3/94 (10th birthday in 4 days) and has clocked up 9770 hours 
which means that I have spent  8.96% of my life in front of this 
powerbook alone over the past ten years!
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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Ian D. Ross]

Hi all, Joe asked ...

I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt get it
yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are: 25Mhz
68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit
passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will System
7.5.3/.5 run good on it?  I want to have the maximum amount of
compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor.  Would an
application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about RAM
Charger?  Thanks.


I am running 7.1 on my PB 145b 80HD with the max 8Meg Ram installed. 
I have Ram Doubler as well which makes the OS see 16mb and have 
virtual Memory turned off mainly for power conservation with mobile 
use. I find it fine for word processing on the road using WriteNow 4 
which has microscopic memory requirements, and accessing my Hypercard 
stacks. Also OK for sending and receiving faxes with STF. Ram Doubler 
is brilliant and allows me to occasionally access ancient CAD files 
which require a 1990's program that needs 8mb to open. I am running 
software FPU as well (dogged slow!) to run this old Archicad program, 
but it works when I need it. Someone else mentioned other useful 
utilities such as Windowshade, BeHierarchic, MacPostit which work 
well.

I understand that system 7.5 will run on the 145b, but I found that 
7.1 is so stable and does what I need that I have stuck with it.

Good luck with it!

Ian Ross

PS I just checked with Techtool 1.1.3 and my 145b was first booted up 
on 21/3/94 (10th birthday in 4 days) and has clocked up 9770 hours 
which means that I have spent  8.96% of my life in front of this 
powerbook alone over the past ten years!
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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Joe]

@ Donn: 14MB?!, I read that the PowerBook 145b's max amount of RAM was
8MB...



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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Volk (contractor)]

Donn,

I have had a 140, 145b, 165 and 180, used 7.5.3 on all.

Roger

Donn Haven Lathrop wrote:

> >>It has System 7.1 on it already, but will System
> 7.5.3/.5 run good on it? 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive<<
>
> Simply, no.  Maybe, 7.5.3.  Howsomever, 7.5.5 on my IIci--standard
> extension set takes up 4 MB RAM, 7.5.3 on my PB 190, standard extension
> set takes up 5 MB RAM.  7.1.3 on my PB 145b, standard extension set
> except for Sticky Click, uses 1.4 MB.
>
> My PB 145b has max RAM--14 MB--and a 320 MB HD.  It's still bog-slow.
> I've had it online and it's sort of OK for e-mail, but really slow (even
> with a Best Data 56K modem online at 50666) doing anything with a
> browser.  NN 2.2 is about the best you can hope for.  NN 3 has a
> horrible memory leak--needs about 24 MB assigned to it.  NN 3.04 Gold is
> a little better, but with the 1 bit screen graphics on Web pages are
> pretty bad.
>
> RamDoubler definitely helps with everything if you only have 8 MB of
> RAM, but you really wonder if it's worth it when you double-click on a
> folder, and the wait-a-bit-watch appears as the folder opens.
>
> Donn
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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

>>It has System 7.1 on it already, but will System
7.5.3/.5 run good on it? 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive<<

Simply, no.  Maybe, 7.5.3.  Howsomever, 7.5.5 on my IIci--standard
extension set takes up 4 MB RAM, 7.5.3 on my PB 190, standard extension
set takes up 5 MB RAM.  7.1.3 on my PB 145b, standard extension set
except for Sticky Click, uses 1.4 MB.

My PB 145b has max RAM--14 MB--and a 320 MB HD.  It's still bog-slow. 
I've had it online and it's sort of OK for e-mail, but really slow (even
with a Best Data 56K modem online at 50666) doing anything with a
browser.  NN 2.2 is about the best you can hope for.  NN 3 has a
horrible memory leak--needs about 24 MB assigned to it.  NN 3.04 Gold is
a little better, but with the 1 bit screen graphics on Web pages are
pretty bad.

RamDoubler definitely helps with everything if you only have 8 MB of
RAM, but you really wonder if it's worth it when you double-click on a
folder, and the wait-a-bit-watch appears as the folder opens.

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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Robert Eye]

I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt get it
yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are: 25Mhz
68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit
passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will System
7.5.3/.5 run good on it?  I want to have the maximum amount of
compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor.  Would an
application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about RAM
Charger?  Thanks.
IIRC, a 68030 will run everything up to 7.6.1. I ran 7.1 on my IIci 
for a while, but went to and settled on 7.6.1, but I had 28MB RAM and 
a 230MB HD. 7.6.1 might be a little much on an 8MB Mac. Not sure how 
much of a lift you'll get past 7.1 - it ran pretty well on older 0x0 
Macs. I don't think 7.5.x will take up much more RAM, although 
running OT instead of MacTCP will take more RAM. Since 7.5.3/.5 are 
free from Apple for the downloading, it should be pretty easy to try 
it out and then go back to 7.1 (just keep the 7.1 System Folder 
around by doing a Clean Install).

You can also add items to 7.1 to make it more like 7.5; see here

http://macfaq.org/software/macos.shtml

and scroll to the bottom for more info. You can also add the 
following 3rd party apps to improve 7.1's capability:

BeHierarchic
extensions manager
pasteitnotes (like Stickies)
Scrollability
superclock
windowshade
RAM Charger seemed to actually help more than RAM Doubler on the Macs 
I've used it on, but YMMV. RAM Charger lets you allocate less RAM 
initially and then the application can take more if needed (and if 
it's available). RAM Doubler uses a type of VM with your HD to get 
the extra "RAM" - with the corresponding hit in speed. You can use 
them together - they are not mutually exclusive. Real RAM is always 
better, but I don't know if the 145b can take more than 8MB.

Regards,

Bob Eye
Dallas, TX
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Re: Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Dan Palka]

On Mar 15, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Joe wrote:

I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt get it
yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are: 25Mhz
68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit
passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will 
System
7.5.3/.5 run good on it?
Well i would say no.  Besides 7.1 can do a fair amount of stuff anyway 
like email, instant messaging, light web browsing, word processing, and 
some games

 I want to have the maximum amount of
compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor.  Would an
application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about RAM
Charger?  Thanks.


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Whats the best System for a PowerBook 145b?

[Joe]

I ordered a PowerBook 145b off of eBay a few days ago, I did'nt get it
yet, but I'm thinking already.  The specs on the machine are: 25Mhz
68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive, 1.44MB SuperDrive, and the 1 bit
passive matrix screen.  It has System 7.1 on it already, but will System
7.5.3/.5 run good on it?  I want to have the maximum amount of
compatibility without taking a huge dump on the speed factor.  Would an
application like RAM Doubler help in this situation?  What about RAM
Charger?  Thanks.



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