Re: PM and unexpected "quits"
On 3/23/08, at 3:00 PM, Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Have you tried removing "Default Folder" and retesting? No. In my situation, I decided to live with PM's quitting once or twice a week rather than lose the benefits of Default Folder. I figured that eventually, DF & PM would evolve and the (minor) problem would disappear. Occasionally I would send crash reports to Apple in case they were a factor. All was acceptable until suddenly I was unable to do searches in a folder and cmd-option on PM's launch wouldn't work and also disabled PM. Bringing PM's folder back from a clone enabled me to send this message using PM. Tom Miller .. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ...
Re(3): PM and unexpected "quits"
I've also had occasional "drag" problems, but not enough to be able to discern any pattern. I don't have "Default Folder" (although I'm not criticizing anyone who does :) I'm keeping a look out to see if there's something in common. Regards.Peter On Sun, Mar 23, 2008, Bill Schjelderup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Tim, > >I own a software development company, all our products run on both Mac >and Windows so I'm all too familiar with weird program interactions. >With thousands of customers all over the world, there is a constant >stream of weird things we need to deal with. > >I recently moved from a quad G5 machine, to an 8 core Mac Pro where I >carefully, painfully, reinstalled everything as my "old" machine had a >lot of old junk on it. That said, I DO run a LOT of software. I've been >using Powermail since version 2, and Default Folder since version 1. For >the most part, BOTH products have been very reliable. > >I known CTMDEV recently moved from Codewarrior to xCode while at the >same time Apple has been trying to stabilize OS 10.5. I carry Powermail >on an external firewire drive between my home office and "work" office. >I have exactly the same issues although my work machine is a fairly >clean Intel Macbook. I don't think my issue is machine related. > >As I examine my crash logs, I see 11 Powermail crashes in the past 11 >days on just my home machine. Sometimes I go 2 days between crashes. I >receive over 1200 emails per day, so it's not like I'm not using >Powermail EVERY day. > >In fact, Powermail is my most used application. It's not worth my time >to debug the problem myself... If I discovered it WAS Default >Folder...I'd not change; Default Folder is VERY useful. > >As I mentioned before, it always seems to happen during a drag event; I >can't say for sure, but I think it's a threading issue when I'm dragging >and email arrives. At one point I thought it was the notification sound, >so I turned that off. (Quicktime has caused issues in the past.) That >wasn't the issue. Activity monitor shows over 100 processes running yet >overall my machine is very stable. > >I'm wondering if this is a widespread Powermail issue, and if so, >perhaps CTMDEV will spend a bit of time on solving it. > >If not, well, then I'll just keep moving forward hoping that some >combination of updates will resolve MY issue. > >One thing I'm not considering AT ALL is moving from Powermail! I want >CTMDEV to be very successful, and continue PM development > >+---+ > Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >+---+ >>On Sunday, March 23, 2008, T.L. Miller sent forth: >> >>>On 3/23/08, at 9:44 AM, Bill Schjelderup [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >>> I too have been having a LOT more "quits" with Powermail since 10.5. I too use DefaultFolder, but I'd say 99% of these failures occur during drag events, i.e. when I'm dragging a message to a folder. >>> >> >>Have you tried removing "Default Folder" and retesting? >> >>I have followed all these reports over the years with interest, not only >>because software like PowerMail, i.e. apps that perform what is now a >>well understood function like e-mail, "should just work" as the mantra >>goes. I am interested also because I've rarely had a problem with the >>package and that is with around 7 years of use. I have used and >>continue to use my Mac in a fairly vanilla configuration when it comes >>to apps that tweak how the finder or operating system in general >>behaves. I think the clue lies there. >> >>I work in the IT field and one option that suggests itself quite a bit - >>at least with Windows systems - is that of starting over and layering on >>the software cleanly and testing after each addition. Apps such as >>DefaultFolder should be checked quite thoroughly in such testing given >>what they do. I have a case right now between IBM's "Via Voice" and a >>host of apps on a client's eMac. I can't prove it outright until I >>remove the app and if necessary go through the above procedure. >>Certainly the logs suggest that it is at least partly to blame. >> >>Once you've managed to isolate the guilty apps, I would think that you >>have a choice to make, at least until the companies in question can get >>their act together. What do you need to do your job / live your life / >>whatever? Neither CTMDEV nor Apple is responsible for anything other >>than their own stuff, beyond certain obvious assumptions of stability in >>the recommended vanilla environment. >> >>Just my 2 cents. >> >> >>-- >>Tim Lapin >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Intel iMacOS 10.4.11PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD >> >> > > > >
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Re(3): PM and unexpected "quits"
Bill, On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:02:36 -0600, Bill Schjelderup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm wondering if this is a widespread Powermail issue, and if so, >perhaps CTMDEV will spend a bit of time on solving it. > >If not, well, then I'll just keep moving forward hoping that some >combination of updates will resolve MY issue. > >One thing I'm not considering AT ALL is moving from Powermail! I want >CTMDEV to be very successful, and continue PM development Thanks for the kind support - much appreciated. No right now yours is NOT a widely spread issue but you can be certain that as soon as we are able to reproduce it and isolate it down to something fixable within our control, we will release a fix. Until we cross that bridge we will continue working from your PowerMail support cases #JEPOPI and #XOMYDE . Kind regards, jean michel / ctm qa
powermail-discuss Digest #2809 - 03/24/08
powermail-discuss Digest #2809 - Monday, March 24, 2008 Re: PM and unexpected "quits" by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vervallen mailadres by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re(2): PM and unexpected "quits" by "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: PM and unexpected "quits" by "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re(3): PM and unexpected "quits" by "Peter Lovell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: Vervallen mailadres by "Rene Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re(3): PM and unexpected "quits" by "CTM info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Subject: Re: PM and unexpected "quits" From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:00:09 -0400 On Sunday, March 23, 2008, T.L. Miller sent forth: >On 3/23/08, at 9:44 AM, Bill Schjelderup [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >>I too have been having a LOT more "quits" with Powermail since 10.5. I >>too use DefaultFolder, but I'd say 99% of these failures occur during >>drag events, i.e. when I'm dragging a message to a folder. > Have you tried removing "Default Folder" and retesting? I have followed all these reports over the years with interest, not only because software like PowerMail, i.e. apps that perform what is now a well understood function like e-mail, "should just work" as the mantra goes. I am interested also because I've rarely had a problem with the package and that is with around 7 years of use. I have used and continue to use my Mac in a fairly vanilla configuration when it comes to apps that tweak how the finder or operating system in general behaves. I think the clue lies there. I work in the IT field and one option that suggests itself quite a bit - at least with Windows systems - is that of starting over and layering on the software cleanly and testing after each addition. Apps such as DefaultFolder should be checked quite thoroughly in such testing given what they do. I have a case right now between IBM's "Via Voice" and a host of apps on a client's eMac. I can't prove it outright until I remove the app and if necessary go through the above procedure. Certainly the logs suggest that it is at least partly to blame. Once you've managed to isolate the guilty apps, I would think that you have a choice to make, at least until the companies in question can get their act together. What do you need to do your job / live your life / whatever? Neither CTMDEV nor Apple is responsible for anything other than their own stuff, beyond certain obvious assumptions of stability in the recommended vanilla environment. Just my 2 cents. -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Intel iMacOS 10.4.11PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD -- Subject: Vervallen mailadres From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 23 Mar 2008 20:00:20 +0100 Wegens spam is ons oude mailadres ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) niet meer in gebruik. Berichten verstuurd naar dit adres worden niet meer door ons gelezen. Wilt u Option One per mail bereiken, dan kunt u het woord 'informatie' gebruiken voor het apestaartje in plaats van info. Met vriendelijke groet, Option One Angelo Spiler Postbus 51031 1007 EA Amsterdam tel: 020-6380821 -- Subject: Re(2): PM and unexpected "quits" From: "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:02:36 -0600 Tim, I own a software development company, all our products run on both Mac and Windows so I'm all too familiar with weird program interactions. With thousands of customers all over the world, there is a constant stream of weird things we need to deal with. I recently moved from a quad G5 machine, to an 8 core Mac Pro where I carefully, painfully, reinstalled everything as my "old" machine had a lot of old junk on it. That said, I DO run a LOT of software. I've been using Powermail since version 2, and Default Folder since version 1. For the most part, BOTH products have been very reliable. I known CTMDEV recently moved from Codewarrior to xCode while at the same time Apple has been trying to stabilize OS 10.5. I carry Powermail on an external firewire drive between my home office and "work" office. I have exactly the same issues although my work machine is a fairly clean Intel Macbook. I don't think my issue is machine related. As I examine my crash logs, I see 11 Powermail crashes in the past 11 days on just my home machine. Sometimes I go 2 days between crashes. I receive over 1200 emails per day, so it's not like I'm not using Powermail EVERY day. In fact, Powermail is my most used application. It's not worth my time to debug the problem myself... If I discovered it WAS Default Folder...I'd not change; Default Folder is VERY useful. As I mentioned before, it always seems to happen during a drag event; I can't say for sure, but I think it's a threading issue when
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