Re: The end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!

2015-07-23 Thread Thomas L. Miller
Well, copying over the 4 .old” files the the other drives after removing the 
.old didn't help.

I think that when I restarted my iMac after cloning and saw the problem, I had 
PM First Aid also compact the database.  I restarted from a clone, saw the same 
problem and may have compacted that too when running PM First Aid.  Therefore, 
the 4 sets of .old files are copies of bad versions. 
 
There are folders missing in Mail Browser and my mac.com still showing as POP3, 
and I think that change was done before 2013. I think there is something else 
that is causing that problem.

So, it looks like if I want to continue to use PM, I have to set up missing 
accounts and use a database missing all the messages from 2014 and most from 
2013 and 2015.

It is truly odd that this problem started after cloning to an external hard 
drive.  Something I had done 100s of times!  Sure wish I could go back to last 
Saturday in a time machine. 


Tom Miller


On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Thomas L. Miller t...@tlmiller.net wrote:

Jérôme, thanks for the response.  I tried a shortcut of what you recommended at 
the bottom (I have two other copies of the entire PM folder on the other 
drives).  I put an “X” in front of the file names of the 4 (current) items and 
removed “.old” from the other 4.  That didn’t help, but I think that could be 
because I compacted the database when I ran PM First Aid a day or two ago.  I 
may have done the same thing with one of the other drives.  However. I guess I 
can copy over from the .old” files from the 3rd drive and try that.  Ought to 
work, right??

The really odd thing is that PM was working perfectly when I quit it before 
cloning.  I have cloned (SuperDuper) my hard drive 100s of times over the years 
with no problems.  The clone is a copy of everything — web browser history, 
apps, Preferences, Libraries, music, photos, everything.  Never has a restart 
of my Mac resulted in a change of PM’s Message Databases.  These external hard 
drives are only active when I’m making clones — otherwise they are turned 
off/disconnected.  Very, very, very odd to have this problem

Tom Miller



On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:02 AM, PowerMail Engineering jer...@ctmdev.com wrote:

Thomas L. Miller wrote:

 I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMac’s hard
 drive to two external hard drives — nothing unusual, I do every week.
 
 I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
 except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
 sent after mid-September 2013.

Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and has 
only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.

First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive, you 
copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the backup. However 
if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have lost all messages since 
September 2013.

Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which was a 
backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives were still 
mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was on one of these 
drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your internal drive. How PowerMail 
can switch to another database? Multiple possibilities:
- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user environment 
menu, then selected your 2013 backup
- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message Database 
file from your 2013 backup
- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened the 
message
- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using for 
this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some point there 
will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has been opened from 
the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again, if the clone is more 
recent than 2013, then you should not have lost recent messages.

As previously suggested, launch PM then use the file / database / switch user 
environment menu. The open dialog will point to the location of the currently 
used database. You will see on which drive it is, and in which folder, and you 
can select your main database if you are currently using an old backup.

You can search in the Finder for files named Message Database to see if you 
have multiple copies on your drive. I suggest that you first zip each PowerMail 
folder containing those database, to be sure you don't destroy anything, then 
double-click on a Message Database file to open it (PM will then switch to 
this database) and see if it contains your recent messages. If you find 
obsolete backups, you can keep a zipped version, but delete the uncompressed 
one to be sure to never again switch to it inadvertently.

 PS: Looking at the Message databases in my PM folder, there is only one
 labeled Message Database,” but one is labeled “Message Database.old”
 and both show 

Magic - wasThe end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!

2015-07-23 Thread T.L. Miller
I had one more idea I thought would at least get me back a little of what I was 
missing.

There are a few apps I really like that won't run on any version of OS X beyond 
Snow Leopard.  Consequently, I had created a Snow Leopard partition on my iMac 
before I went to Lion. I haven't used it in many months (a year or more?), and 
for some reason my iMac doesn't even want to start from it -- even though my 
Mac came with it or an earlier OS X (a firmware update?)

Anyway, a copy my PowerMail folder from back then was in the partition.  I 
dragged over the Message Database, Address Database, Server-side Database, and 
Setup Database from that partition.  Now PowerMail seems to contain everything 
I thought I was missing.  Even messages I sent the day before I discovered the 
problem are in my Sent folder. I don't think I have lost a single sent or 
received message.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!  Sure am grateful, however!

Tom Miller

OS 10.10.4
PM 6.2.1



On 7/23/15, at 4:33 PM, Thomas L. Miller t...@tlmiller.net said:

Well, copying over the 4 .old files the the other drives after
removing the .old didn't help.

I think that when I restarted my iMac after cloning and saw the problem,
I had PM First Aid also compact the database.  I restarted from a clone,
saw the same problem and may have compacted that too when running PM
First Aid.  Therefore, the 4 sets of .old files are copies of bad versions.

There are folders missing in Mail Browser and my mac.com still showing
as POP3, and I think that change was done before 2013. I think there is
something else that is causing that problem.

So, it looks like if I want to continue to use PM, I have to set up
missing accounts and use a database missing all the messages from 2014
and most from 2013 and 2015.

It is truly odd that this problem started after cloning to an external
hard drive.  Something I had done 100s of times!  Sure wish I could go
back to last Saturday in a time machine.


Tom Miller


On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Thomas L. Miller t...@tlmiller.net wrote:

Jérôme, thanks for the response.  I tried a shortcut of what you
recommended at the bottom (I have two other copies of the entire PM
folder on the other drives).  I put an X in front of the file names of
the 4 (current) items and removed .old from the other 4.  That didn't
help, but I think that could be because I compacted the database when I
ran PM First Aid a day or two ago.  I may have done the same thing with
one of the other drives.  However. I guess I can copy over from the
.old files from the 3rd drive and try that.  Ought to work, right??

The really odd thing is that PM was working perfectly when I quit it
before cloning.  I have cloned (SuperDuper) my hard drive 100s of times
over the years with no problems.  The clone is a copy of everything --
web browser history, apps, Preferences, Libraries, music, photos,
everything.  Never has a restart of my Mac resulted in a change of PM's
Message Databases.  These external hard drives are only active when I'm
making clones -- otherwise they are turned off/disconnected.  Very, very,
very odd to have this problem

Tom Miller



On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:02 AM, PowerMail Engineering jer...@ctmdev.com wrote:

Thomas L. Miller wrote:

 I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMac's hard
 drive to two external hard drives -- nothing unusual, I do every week.

 I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
 except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
 sent after mid-September 2013.

Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and
has only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.

First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive,
you copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the
backup. However if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have
lost all messages since September 2013.

Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which
was a backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives
were still mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was
on one of these drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your
internal drive. How PowerMail can switch to another database? Multiple
possibilities:
- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user
environment menu, then selected your 2013 backup
- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message
Database file from your 2013 backup
- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened
the message
- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using
for this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some
point there will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has
been opened from the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again,
if the clone is more recent than 2013, then you should not have lost
recent messages.

Re: The end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!

2015-07-23 Thread PowerMail Engineering
Thomas L. Miller wrote:

I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMac’s hard
drive to two external hard drives — nothing unusual, I do every week.

I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
sent after mid-September 2013.

Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and has 
only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.

First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive, you 
copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the backup. However 
if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have lost all messages since 
September 2013.

Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which was a 
backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives were still 
mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was on one of these 
drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your internal drive. How PowerMail 
can switch to another database? Multiple possibilities:
- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user environment 
menu, then selected your 2013 backup
- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message Database 
file from your 2013 backup
- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened the 
message
- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using for 
this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some point there 
will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has been opened from 
the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again, if the clone is more 
recent than 2013, then you should not have lost recent messages.

As previously suggested, launch PM then use the file / database / switch user 
environment menu. The open dialog will point to the location of the currently 
used database. You will see on which drive it is, and in which folder, and you 
can select your main database if you are currently using an old backup.

You can search in the Finder for files named Message Database to see if you 
have multiple copies on your drive. I suggest that you first zip each PowerMail 
folder containing those database, to be sure you don't destroy anything, then 
double-click on a Message Database file to open it (PM will then switch to 
this database) and see if it contains your recent messages. If you find 
obsolete backups, you can keep a zipped version, but delete the uncompressed 
one to be sure to never again switch to it inadvertently.

PS: Looking at the Message databases in my PM folder, there is only one
labeled Message Database,” but one is labeled “Message Database.old”
and both show today as when last modified.

The .old files are created when you compact your database. You can try to 
delete the files without the .old extension, then remove .old from the name, to 
restore the database to its state before the last compact (there are 4 of them: 
Message Database, Address Database, Server-side Database, and Setup Database; 
do this for the 4!). Of course, when you do this, PM should not be running, and 
make sure to zip the containing folder first to have a backup.

I hope you will find your messages back!


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


-
   The searching is fairly flexible on iOS and the speed is blinding.
I mean instant, like you've got a Mac Pro doing it. If you use
Foxtrot Search, get FoxTrot Attaché. If you don't use Foxtrot Search
and you have a lot of files to search, check it out.
  FoxTrot Attaché Search user comment on iTunes Store UK

 Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch
-



Re: The end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!

2015-07-23 Thread Thomas L. Miller
Jérôme, thanks for the response.  I tried a shortcut of what you recommended at 
the bottom (I have two other copies of the entire PM folder on the other 
drives).  I put an “X” in front of the file names of the 4 (current) items and 
removed “.old” from the other 4.  That didn’t help, but I think that could be 
because I compacted the database when I ran PM First Aid a day or two ago.  I 
may have done the same thing with one of the other drives.  However. I guess I 
can copy over from the .old” files from the 3rd drive and try that.  Ought to 
work, right??

The really odd thing is that PM was working perfectly when I quit it before 
cloning.  I have cloned (SuperDuper) my hard drive 100s of times over the years 
with no problems.  The clone is a copy of everything — web browser history, 
apps, Preferences, Libraries, music, photos, everything.  Never has a restart 
of my Mac resulted in a change of PM’s Message Databases.  These external hard 
drives are only active when I’m making clones — otherwise they are turned 
off/disconnected.  Very, very, very odd to have this problem

Tom Miller


  
On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:02 AM, PowerMail Engineering jer...@ctmdev.com wrote:

Thomas L. Miller wrote:

 I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMac’s hard
 drive to two external hard drives — nothing unusual, I do every week.
 
 I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
 except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
 sent after mid-September 2013.

Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and has 
only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.

First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive, you 
copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the backup. However 
if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have lost all messages since 
September 2013.

Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which was a 
backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives were still 
mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was on one of these 
drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your internal drive. How PowerMail 
can switch to another database? Multiple possibilities:
- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user environment 
menu, then selected your 2013 backup
- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message Database 
file from your 2013 backup
- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened the 
message
- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using for 
this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some point there 
will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has been opened from 
the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again, if the clone is more 
recent than 2013, then you should not have lost recent messages.

As previously suggested, launch PM then use the file / database / switch user 
environment menu. The open dialog will point to the location of the currently 
used database. You will see on which drive it is, and in which folder, and you 
can select your main database if you are currently using an old backup.

You can search in the Finder for files named Message Database to see if you 
have multiple copies on your drive. I suggest that you first zip each PowerMail 
folder containing those database, to be sure you don't destroy anything, then 
double-click on a Message Database file to open it (PM will then switch to 
this database) and see if it contains your recent messages. If you find 
obsolete backups, you can keep a zipped version, but delete the uncompressed 
one to be sure to never again switch to it inadvertently.

 PS: Looking at the Message databases in my PM folder, there is only one
 labeled Message Database,” but one is labeled “Message Database.old”
 and both show today as when last modified.

The .old files are created when you compact your database. You can try to 
delete the files without the .old extension, then remove .old from the name, to 
restore the database to its state before the last compact (there are 4 of them: 
Message Database, Address Database, Server-side Database, and Setup Database; 
do this for the 4!). Of course, when you do this, PM should not be running, and 
make sure to zip the containing folder first to have a backup.

I hope you will find your messages back!


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


-
  The searching is fairly flexible on iOS and the speed is blinding.
   I mean instant, like you've got a Mac Pro doing it. If you use
   Foxtrot Search, get FoxTrot Attaché. If you don't use Foxtrot Search
   and you have a lot of files to search, check it out.
 FoxTrot Attaché Search user comment on iTunes Store UK

Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch

Fwd: Underlining goes away when message sent

2015-07-23 Thread Winston Weinmann
I tried to send this in HTML to the Discussion List, as it's about an HTML 
problem, but got the message back:
Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.

So my examples are all in plain text. In the HTML version, Bold is in bold, 
Italic is in italics, and Underline is not underlined.

- Winston Weinmann


On rare occasions I use PowerMail's HTML (FormatMake Rich Text) option, 
usually so that I can use bold, italic and underlining.

I've just noticed that when I send a message, any underlining I did goes away. 
The sent message has no underlining in places it had it in the draft.

The same thing happens if I save a message as a draft, then close and reopen 
it. Underlining goes away. Example:

Bold
Italic
Underline

PowerMail version 6.2 build 4666 on Mac OS 10.4.11.

Any solution?

Thanks.

- Winston Weinmann





powermail-discuss Digest #3138 - 07/23/15

2015-07-23 Thread PowerMail discussions
powermail-discuss Digest #3138 - Thursday, July 23, 2015

  Re: The end  was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
  by PowerMail Engineering jer...@ctmdev.com
  Re: The end  was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
  by Thomas L. Miller t...@tlmiller.net


--

Subject: Re: The end  was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
From: PowerMail Engineering jer...@ctmdev.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:02:21 +0200

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