Re: Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[listes]

Chris,
I fully agree with your views. In addition to MoreInternet, there is
also IC-Switch (http://flip.macrobyte.net/software/ic-switch_en) but
this doesn't change the picture for the new user...

Herve

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Re: Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[Per �str]

Try this:



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>Panther "Internet" System Preferences:
>Web preferences (such as Default Web Browser) are now buried in Safari
>Preferences. "Default Mail Application" is buried in Apple's Mail app
>Preferences.
>
>What I found particularly annoying was that Mail app forced me to
>configure it with (more or less) valid configuration information before
>it would let me look at its Preferences to make sure that PowerMail was
>still the default. (Which it was.)
>
>For as long as I recall part of what Apple meant to computing was "ease
>of use" and "choice". I see a trend now toward doing things not because
>they're easy, or intuitive, or even because they make sense, but either
>because "that's what Windows users are used to" or because "it's our OS
>and our Apps and we'll do as we please".
>
>Does that mean that every mail client is going to have to include an
>option in it's own Prefs to make itself the Default Mail App? Is Apple
>going to allow 3rd party apps to do that? Or will we all be coerced into
>setting up Mail just so we can have the choice not to use it? I'm trying
>to get a little reality check here, because I think they've stepped over
>the line on this one. Maybe I'm wrong. It seems like we've gone back
>about 10 years. Back before "Internet Config" put all the Internet
>configuration in one place, at the System level, outside of applications.
>Are these system level Preferences available anywhere else, or has the OS
>really been this Microsoftized?
>
>- Chris Plummer
>
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Re: Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[Michael Lewis]

This move to putting prefs inside the apps in Panther is pretty
boneheaded. I can see part of the point. Novices don't necessarily equate
the Internet and the apps they use to access various things on it (WWW,
email, FTP, NNTP, etc.). But, personally, I don't see why they had to get
rid of the Internet control panel and settings. After all, not everyone
uses a web browser for FTP services, so where does one set those now?

I urge everyone to write to  and
request that Apple return a way to select Internet apps outside of the
apps themselves. If they want to leave access to such a thing within the
apps, fine. Be critical, but be nice about it. :)

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[Dan Webb]

I was wondering the same thing just the other day.  I couldn't figure out
how to change the default app that opens ftp links.  When I click on an
ftp link, it opens IE (yuck!), and I wanted to switch it to Safari or
Finder or whatever is appropriate nowadays.

-- 
Dan Webb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Original message 
Christopher Plummer, 2:19 PM, 11/7/03:

>Panther "Internet" System Preferences:
>Web preferences (such as Default Web Browser) are now buried in Safari
>Preferences. "Default Mail Application" is buried in Apple's Mail app
>Preferences.
>
>What I found particularly annoying was that Mail app forced me to
>configure it with (more or less) valid configuration information before
>it would let me look at its Preferences to make sure that PowerMail was
>still the default. (Which it was.)
>
>For as long as I recall part of what Apple meant to computing was "ease
>of use" and "choice". I see a trend now toward doing things not because
>they're easy, or intuitive, or even because they make sense, but either
>because "that's what Windows users are used to" or because "it's our OS
>and our Apps and we'll do as we please". 
>
>Does that mean that every mail client is going to have to include an
>option in it's own Prefs to make itself the Default Mail App? Is Apple
>going to allow 3rd party apps to do that? Or will we all be coerced into
>setting up Mail just so we can have the choice not to use it? I'm trying
>to get a little reality check here, because I think they've stepped over
>the line on this one. Maybe I'm wrong. It seems like we've gone back
>about 10 years. Back before "Internet Config" put all the Internet
>configuration in one place, at the System level, outside of applications.
>Are these system level Preferences available anywhere else, or has the OS
>really been this Microsoftized?
>
>- Chris Plummer
>
>===
>check the UNPREDICTABLE archive - 
>===
>
>

Re: Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[Ben Kennedy]

On 07 11 2003 at 5:19 pm -0500, Christopher Plummer wrote:

>Panther "Internet" System Preferences:
>Web preferences (such as Default Web Browser) are now buried in Safari
>Preferences. "Default Mail Application" is buried in Apple's Mail app
>Preferences.

You're kidding... I hadn't noticed.  But I see those config options are
now gone from the System Preferences since I've upgraded to Panther.

Way to go Apple.

It's nice to see they've regressed to the bone-headed design of MSIE,
where system-wide mime types and such (formerly known as "internet
config") are configurable only therein.

I might file bugs on this in Radar if I get some time later.

-ben

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http://www.zygoat.ca

Default Mail in Panther (slightly OT rant)

[Christopher Plummer]

Panther "Internet" System Preferences:
Web preferences (such as Default Web Browser) are now buried in Safari
Preferences. "Default Mail Application" is buried in Apple's Mail app
Preferences.

What I found particularly annoying was that Mail app forced me to
configure it with (more or less) valid configuration information before
it would let me look at its Preferences to make sure that PowerMail was
still the default. (Which it was.)

For as long as I recall part of what Apple meant to computing was "ease
of use" and "choice". I see a trend now toward doing things not because
they're easy, or intuitive, or even because they make sense, but either
because "that's what Windows users are used to" or because "it's our OS
and our Apps and we'll do as we please". 

Does that mean that every mail client is going to have to include an
option in it's own Prefs to make itself the Default Mail App? Is Apple
going to allow 3rd party apps to do that? Or will we all be coerced into
setting up Mail just so we can have the choice not to use it? I'm trying
to get a little reality check here, because I think they've stepped over
the line on this one. Maybe I'm wrong. It seems like we've gone back
about 10 years. Back before "Internet Config" put all the Internet
configuration in one place, at the System level, outside of applications.
Are these system level Preferences available anywhere else, or has the OS
really been this Microsoftized?

- Chris Plummer

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