Re: Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
Has anyone tried MailSmith? I don't think I have the stomach for another experiment right now, but I'd appreciate hearing people's experiences. Mailsmith is a powerful program, but for me has a fatal flaw: It cannot handle Unicode or text encoding of any kind. If your dealing with mail in any languages other than plain English or other simple roman, you're out of luck. Given internationalization, it's pretty stunning to me that a supposedly major e-mail program would not be able to handle encoding. I've pasted below a copy of a reply I got from the Mailsmith folks about this very issue. Eudora also is lame in a similar way: You can only set one font for text display. So if I want to be able to read Japanese mail in Eudora, I have to set a Japanese font for all my mail, and read my English mail in a Japanese font as well. Which means I don't get to read in my beloved Verdana. -_- I'm sorry to hear about your problems with Powermail, but pleased to report that I've never had anything like that occur in one year of intense use. All the trouble I've ever had (2 or 3 times only) was quickly solved with the start-up troubleshooting tools. I don't think I've ever been as happy with an e-mail client before as I am with PM right now. I've mentioned here before, and I'll mention again: Unless you must have IMAP, another very fine program to take a look at is GyazMail. The designer (it's unbelievably a one-man program!) is actively developing it. It currently lacks scripting support, but other than that, it's a very nice little package, and it has a gorgeous cocoa interface (hint, hint, Jerome). See it at http://gyazsquare.com Scott, Thanks for taking a look at Mailsmith. At this time Mailsmith is only capable of dealing with single byte western/roman languages. We would like to include the capabilities that you seek, but I cannot speculate when that will appear in shipping software. Unfortunately at this time if you need to deal with Japanese mail I'm afraid Mailsmith is not going to meet your needs. Let us know if we can be of further assistance. Regards, Jim ---Original Message From: Scott at HobbyLink Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:48:30 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multilingual/Unicode capabilities of Mailsmith Just to confirm before I decide, based on this single point alone, that Mailsmith won't meet my needs, does Mailsmith 2.0 have any ability to handle Unicode/multi-byte character sets? By handle I mean I shouldn't have to preset everything to a font which can handle all languages I might get mail in. More specifically, since much of my mail is in Japanese, I want the mailer to be able to display Japanese mail properly even if my main font for display is set to a single-byte font such as Verdana. Most other e-mail packages can do this, but I have difficulties during attempts to test Mailsmith 2.0 today. --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)
Re(6): Hidden unread message in In Tray
William, i had the same problem - powermail got stuck indexing about halfway 17.000 messages and ended up in the dreadful loop. the indexing gets stuck on 1 or more messages that are 'corrupt'. since powermail starts indexing where it stopped as soon as you launch it after force quit, it hits the 'corrupt' message right away, goes into loop before you can turn off indexing (which solves the problem but you can't profit the new search performance at full speed). to find the 'corrupt' message you can export each folder (+ subfolder separately), if one folder fails to export because of memory failure, the message is in there. narrow down the content of the folder by moving messages to a temporary folder until you find it. delete the message and you should be able to start up powermail. however, turn off indexing right away. i have one message still in my trash which doesn't want to go when i empty trash. if i start indexing and the indexing process comes to the trash, i'll hit the loop again. so i'm waiting for the powermail team to solve 2 problems, how can i use the new super-indexing system?, and how can i get rid of that one 'corrupt' message in my trash? ddv Hmm, so it's not the size. Powermail *was* handling mine fine for a few days, but now I'm stuck in an endless loop ... no matter what start up fixes I apply, once PowerMail finally comes up it flashes a dialog box saying it doesn't hae enough memory. If you click OK it just comes back again. The only way out is to force quit, which means it needs to rebuild everything again at the next startup. The memory problems first started when I asked PowerMail to rebuild the index (to deal with *another* problem). It seems stuck in a cycle of unhappiness at doing that. I've tried canceling the indexing in the little progress bar before the memory error pops up, but I can't get its attention fast enough. If I revert to a saved version of the PowerMail files (about a day old) then everything is O.K. So maybe I could selectively copy some good files from that folder to make this problem go away. If anyone has had similar problems and successfully resolved them, I'd appreciate hearing how. I don't plan to continue with PowerMail right now, but I would like to get my hands on that lost day's mail (I thought I had told PowerMail to leave messages on the server, but apparently not).
Re: Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
William McCallum sez: Hmm, so it's not the size. Powermail *was* handling mine fine for a few days, but now I'm stuck in an endless loop ... no matter what start up fixes I apply, once PowerMail finally comes up it flashes a dialog box saying it doesn't hae enough memory. If you click OK it just comes back again. The only way out is to force quit, which means it needs to rebuild everything again at the next startup. This could be a system level problem masquerading as a PowerMail problem. Even if no other apps are acting flaky, if nothing being done in PowerMail appears to fix the issue, I would start up from the Mac OS X CD, run Disk Utility from the menubar (don't run the install :) ), and choose the First Aid tab to Veryify and the Repair Permissions. A run- through with Alsoft Disk Warrior might be a good thing, too. (FWIW, I've never had to do either of these on my OS X systems. I don't know what I do to keep from the problems others have, whether it be PowerMail or whatever, but people who have had trouble seemed to fix things doing the above.) -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 09:04 AM, Derry Thompson wrote: William at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 10/9/03 4:51 pm I've never had any failures with Apple Mail, it's just that I would like a faster and more flexible search engine and the ability to navigate without the mouse. I have about half a gigabyte of mail. It could be the size of my database that is causing the problems for PowerMail. Has anyone tried MailSmith? I don't think I have the stomach for another experiment right now, but I'd appreciate hearing people's experiences. My mail file was 1.3gb, Powermail handled that fine. Hmm, so it's not the size. Powermail *was* handling mine fine for a few days, but now I'm stuck in an endless loop ... no matter what start up fixes I apply, once PowerMail finally comes up it flashes a dialog box saying it doesn't hae enough memory. If you click OK it just comes back again. The only way out is to force quit, which means it needs to rebuild everything again at the next startup. The memory problems first started when I asked PowerMail to rebuild the index (to deal with *another* problem). It seems stuck in a cycle of unhappiness at doing that. I've tried canceling the indexing in the little progress bar before the memory error pops up, but I can't get its attention fast enough. If I revert to a saved version of the PowerMail files (about a day old) then everything is O.K. So maybe I could selectively copy some good files from that folder to make this problem go away. If anyone has had similar problems and successfully resolved them, I'd appreciate hearing how. I don't plan to continue with PowerMail right now, but I would like to get my hands on that lost day's mail (I thought I had told PowerMail to leave messages on the server, but apparently not). I'm using PowerMail 4.2, OS X 4.2, on a PowerBook G4. I'm not having any crash problems at at. I looked at MailSmith prior to settling on PowerMail. Didn't like it at all, it felt horribly alien. But did it import your mail without a hitch? And how fast was the search engine? Regards, Bill McCallum Regards -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 44 (0) 7976 802487 (520) 621 6697 http://www.math.arizona.edu/~wmc
Re: Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
William at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 10/9/03 4:51 pm I've never had any failures with Apple Mail, it's just that I would like a faster and more flexible search engine and the ability to navigate without the mouse. I have about half a gigabyte of mail. It could be the size of my database that is causing the problems for PowerMail. Has anyone tried MailSmith? I don't think I have the stomach for another experiment right now, but I'd appreciate hearing people's experiences. My mail file was 1.3gb, Powermail handled that fine. I'm not having any crash problems at at. I looked at MailSmith prior to settling on PowerMail. Didn't like it at all, it felt horribly alien. Regards -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 44 (0) 7976 802487
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NIcely said and for me it is the same. ---marlyse original message(s) follows I moved from Apple Mail via Entourage (remember error 4362 and system crashes (on OS X)) to PowerMail, which works just fine for me. Goes to show that in a system with more than, say, 5 degrees of freedom, it's just about impossible to built anything that is fail-safe. Better to concentrate on building stuff that is safe to fail, and, so far, for me(!), PowerMail beats the other two in this respect. Ulrich Golüke [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Mark Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2003, the nimble fingers of William McCallum tapped out: I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! No. CTM should fix the problem and release a version of PowerMail that works. I agree. After yet another problem (an Out of Memory dialog that wouldn't go away, on OS X of all things, requiring me to force quit, leading to a rebuild of the indices, which is interrupted halfway through by an Out of Memory dialgo that won't go away, ) I've given up and gone back to Apple Mail. I really like PowerMail's fast search and keyboard navigation, but I also need a mail program that works on a daily basis.
Re: Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Ulrich Goluke wrote: I moved from Apple Mail via Entourage (remember error 4362 and system crashes (on OS X)) to PowerMail, which works just fine for me. Goes to show that in a system with more than, say, 5 degrees of freedom, it's just about impossible to built anything that is fail-safe. Better to concentrate on building stuff that is safe to fail, and, so far, for me(!), PowerMail beats the other two in this respect. I've never had any failures with Apple Mail, it's just that I would like a faster and more flexible search engine and the ability to navigate without the mouse. I have about half a gigabyte of mail. It could be the size of my database that is causing the problems for PowerMail. Has anyone tried MailSmith? I don't think I have the stomach for another experiment right now, but I'd appreciate hearing people's experiences. Regards, Bill McCallum
Re(4): Hidden unread message in In Tray
I moved from Apple Mail via Entourage (remember error 4362 and system crashes (on OS X)) to PowerMail, which works just fine for me. Goes to show that in a system with more than, say, 5 degrees of freedom, it's just about impossible to built anything that is fail-safe. Better to concentrate on building stuff that is safe to fail, and, so far, for me(!), PowerMail beats the other two in this respect. Ulrich Golüke [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Mark Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2003, the nimble fingers of William McCallum tapped out: I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! No. CTM should fix the problem and release a version of PowerMail that works. I agree. After yet another problem (an Out of Memory dialog that wouldn't go away, on OS X of all things, requiring me to force quit, leading to a rebuild of the indices, which is interrupted halfway through by an Out of Memory dialgo that won't go away, ) I've given up and gone back to Apple Mail. I really like PowerMail's fast search and keyboard navigation, but I also need a mail program that works on a daily basis.
Re: Re(2): Hidden unread message in In Tray
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Mark Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2003, the nimble fingers of William McCallum tapped out: I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! No. CTM should fix the problem and release a version of PowerMail that works. I agree. After yet another problem (an Out of Memory dialog that wouldn't go away, on OS X of all things, requiring me to force quit, leading to a rebuild of the indices, which is interrupted halfway through by an Out of Memory dialgo that won't go away, ) I've given up and gone back to Apple Mail. I really like PowerMail's fast search and keyboard navigation, but I also need a mail program that works on a daily basis.
Re(2): Hidden unread message in In Tray
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003, the nimble fingers of William McCallum tapped out: I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! No. CTM should fix the problem and release a version of PowerMail that works. -- Mark Smith (The Red Whales Rool) Ashiya, Hyogo, Japan. Selected Japanese match reports and league tables. http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~hab26240/footy/soccer.htm
Re: Hidden unread message in In Tray
William McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 stated: I suspect this might also be Rob Snyder's problem. Yes, I suspect this is also the case. I also suspect that the negative numbers, having folder appear in bold when no messages appear to be unread are all related. Wayne -- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re: Hidden unread message in In Tray
I have exactly the same problem. Different message count, of course, but one phantom unread message. As did I, but a verify records procedure in the start-up fix-it list took care of the problem just fine, and it has not recurred. --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com) I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! I suspect this might also be Rob Snyder's problem. Regards, Bill McCallum I spoke too soon. Verifying records didn't get rid of the problem entirely, but moved it to a different mailbox. However, once you have the problem out of the In Tray, it's easier to fix. Create a new folder, move all the messages there, and delete the problem folder. I have to say, all this worries me a little. Plus I've been having crashes and refusals to wake up since I started using PowerMail, although it may be unrelated. I also started using SpamSieve and Keyboard Maestro at the same time. Anyone else with the same experience? Bill
Re: Hidden unread message in In Tray
I have exactly the same problem. Different message count, of course, but one phantom unread message. As did I, but a verify records procedure in the start-up fix-it list took care of the problem just fine, and it has not recurred. --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com) I was just about to reply that verify records didn't work for me--it was the first thing I tried. Then I compacted the data bases, did the low level rebuild, and resorted the indices. But I just tried it again and it *did* work. So those of you having this problem might want to try everything in the start-up list twice! I suspect this might also be Rob Snyder's problem. Regards, Bill McCallum
Re: Hidden unread message in In Tray
I have exactly the same problem. Different message count, of course, but one phantom unread message. As did I, but a verify records procedure in the start-up fix-it list took care of the problem just fine, and it has not recurred. --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)
Re: Hidden unread message in In Tray
Bill, I have exactly the same problem. Different message count, of course, but one phantom unread message. John in Tollhouse -- Forwarded Message From: John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:52:52 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Hidden unread message in In Tray -- Forwarded Message From: William McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: PowerMail discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:45:45 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hidden unread message in In Tray Hello, I am using PowerMail version: 4.2 carbon Mac OS version: 10.2.6 My In Tray has 32 messages in it, all read, but the info area at the bottom says 33 messages, 1 unread, and in the Folder List it appears in bold, to indicate unread messages. This unread message isn't really there. I have tried moving all the messages out and in again, rebuilding indices, compacting database, and rebuilding low level database, but the problem remains. It's not crippling, but it means I can never tell if I really have new mail or not from looking at the folder list, and it would be nice if I could fix it. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Regards, Bill McCallum -- End of Forwarded Message -- End of Forwarded Message
Hidden unread message in In Tray
Hello, I am using PowerMail version: 4.2 carbon Mac OS version: 10.2.6 My In Tray has 32 messages in it, all read, but the info area at the bottom says 33 messages, 1 unread, and in the Folder List it appears in bold, to indicate unread messages. This unread message isn't really there. I have tried moving all the messages out and in again, rebuilding indices, compacting database, and rebuilding low level database, but the problem remains. It's not crippling, but it means I can never tell if I really have new mail or not from looking at the folder list, and it would be nice if I could fix it. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Regards, Bill McCallum
