Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
>>And I do have checking for mail set to be simultaneous. > >this point alone used to cause problems (hangups) for me - in the past. >at the time, changing this setting would handle all problems. now I no >longer run into problems when checking simultaneous, but you might want >to try for yourself if changing this setting changes the behavior on your >machine. > Thanks Marlyse. I tried it but it made no difference. The short pause is still there. -- Raúl Vera Director Orbit 3 Pty Ltd 8 Coneill Place NSW 2037 Australia
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
>And I do have checking for mail set to be simultaneous. this point alone used to cause problems (hangups) for me - in the past. at the time, changing this setting would handle all problems. now I no longer run into problems when checking simultaneous, but you might want to try for yourself if changing this setting changes the behavior on your machine. ---marlyse
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 5/29/03 at 04:03 AM stated: >cheshirekat, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >>The issues related to a slowdown in email creation while retrieving mail >>sound to me like a multitasking problem, or perhaps due to settings. I >>think, in the internet settings, there is an option to allow more than >>one concurrent connection (just looked, but couldn't find) - could this >>be the problem? Or could it be related to dial-up software? Interference >>caused by spam software? I have DSL access and my mail functions haven't >>caused interruptions in other activities. Are you checking and/or sending >>one account at a time or more than one email account simultaneously? > >Cheshirecat, I'm on OS X 10.2.5. I check one account at the time. I have >both T1 and modem, depending on location. Are you using POP or IMAP? If POP, are messages left on the server? Wayne -- Music is spiritual. The music business is not. - Van Morrison Live DAT & Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
cheshirekat, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >The issues related to a slowdown in email creation while retrieving mail >sound to me like a multitasking problem, or perhaps due to settings. I >think, in the internet settings, there is an option to allow more than >one concurrent connection (just looked, but couldn't find) - could this >be the problem? Or could it be related to dial-up software? Interference >caused by spam software? I have DSL access and my mail functions haven't >caused interruptions in other activities. Are you checking and/or sending >one account at a time or more than one email account simultaneously? Cheshirecat, I'm on OS X 10.2.5. I check one account at the time. I have both T1 and modem, depending on location.
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
>On Wed, May 28, 2003, Evan Evanson [EMAIL PROTECTED], invoked >powers within the internet realm, to proclaim ... > >>On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:53:54 +0200, Mikael Byström wrote: >> >>>It's extremely disturbing that I can't write an email without >>>interruptions and check mail at the same time. If such simple act is less >>>than stellar, then what else is hiding under the surface? >> >>Actually, I can write email while PowerMail checks the server for more >>mail. In fact, I'm doing that right now, just to make sure. Not sure >>what's going on with your setup. > >I really don't get this either. I've been following all the heated >discussions lately, though I've tried to just keep my mouth shut. Anyhow, >I've been able to compose messages while PowerMail is set to check for >new mail every 10 minutes. I think folks are talking about different things. When the little window pops up, you can keep typing, until the progress bar itself freezes and typing is held up. This lasts for only a fraction of a second, but is distracting if you type fast. I find it annoying. There it foess (it lasted the time it took me to mistypye "goes", less than a second but more than half a second. The window came up, the progress bar moved and the heading changed from "login..." to "checking for mail", it proceeded for a bit, then the progress bar paused, as did my ability to type, then the progress bar resumed, as did my typing, then the window went away. If you are a hunt-and-peck typist you won't even notice it. If you type 70+ wpm it is a nuisance. >I've also been able to do stuff in other >applications while watching PowerMail check for new mail That shouldn't be a problem given that OS X does true preemptive multitasking. >The issues related to a slowdown in email creation while retrieving mail >sound to me like a multitasking problem, Actually, it appears, as others have commented, to be a multi-threading problem within the application, and it seems to occur only at a particular phase of the POP protocol, and perhaps only if it does not find any mail. It does occur every time, however. >or perhaps due to settings. I >think, in the internet settings, there is an option to allow more than >one concurrent connection (just looked, but couldn't find) - could this >be the problem? Nope. I just have one server I check, so this is the only connection. And I do have checking for mail set to be simultaneous. >Or could it be related to dial-up software? I'm on a LAN here and on cable at home (laptop). No dialups, ever. It happens both places. >Interference >caused by spam software? I don't run any. I just keep tweaking my filters in Powermail. >I have DSL access and my mail functions haven't >caused interruptions in other activities. Again, this isn't the problem, nor would I expect it to be. > Are you checking and/or sending >one account at a time or more than one email account simultaneously? > Nope, as above. The fact that the progress bar stops moving implies that the GUI thread is waiting on the network at that particular point of the sequence. Needless to say, this is a mistake, as the GUI thread should never wait for anything. >-- >* 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.5 * 768 MB Ram * 500 PowerBook G4 * 10.2.6 * 500Mb RAM (The clock speed may be relevant to the length of the pause.) Hmmm. It just went again and did not happen when there was mail, so I think it might be a sequencing bug that doesn't handle the no-mail-found case correctly. Sorry this is so long, but the idea is to provide CTM with the most help in finding the bug. Besides, I type 70 wpm. :-) -- Raúl Vera Director Orbit 3 Pty Ltd 8 Coneill Place NSW 2037 Australia
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
On Wed, May 28, 2003, Evan Evanson [EMAIL PROTECTED], invoked powers within the internet realm, to proclaim ... >On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:53:54 +0200, Mikael Byström wrote: > >>It's extremely disturbing that I can't write an email without >>interruptions and check mail at the same time. If such simple act is less >>than stellar, then what else is hiding under the surface? > >Actually, I can write email while PowerMail checks the server for more >mail. In fact, I'm doing that right now, just to make sure. Not sure >what's going on with your setup. I really don't get this either. I've been following all the heated discussions lately, though I've tried to just keep my mouth shut. Anyhow, I've been able to compose messages while PowerMail is set to check for new mail every 10 minutes. I've also been able to do stuff in other applications while watching PowerMail check for new mail (I keep the small status window at the very bottom left side of my monitor. Windows in other applications are always sized and positioned so they don't block my view of when PM is getting and sending new email, so I'm sure I'd notice a slowdown.) The issues related to a slowdown in email creation while retrieving mail sound to me like a multitasking problem, or perhaps due to settings. I think, in the internet settings, there is an option to allow more than one concurrent connection (just looked, but couldn't find) - could this be the problem? Or could it be related to dial-up software? Interference caused by spam software? I have DSL access and my mail functions haven't caused interruptions in other activities. Are you checking and/or sending one account at a time or more than one email account simultaneously? -- * 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.5 * 768 MB Ram * * Addictions: iTunes 4 * WarCraft * The Sims *
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:53:54 +0200, Mikael Byström wrote: >It's extremely disturbing that I can't write an email without >interruptions and check mail at the same time. If such simple act is less >than stellar, then what else is hiding under the surface? Actually, I can write email while PowerMail checks the server for more mail. In fact, I'm doing that right now, just to make sure. Not sure what's going on with your setup. Evan Evanson B&W G3 Mac OS X 10.2.6 PowerMail 4.1.2 Now is the winter of our disco tent. Type, type, type the typey type. There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really dim,
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Marlyse, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >did you ever test drive? I've been testing on and off for 2 years. Unfortunately, testing for real is only when you migrate and then you must have a license. At the moment I run 3.1.3 and occasionally open up 4.1.x too see if things are different there. >you appear to be quite unhappy, complaining about this and that since >almost 2 weeks (?) - makes me wonder if you ever did use it in demo mode >or dropped the money and only now find out how it works. I haven't paid anything yet, but I was planning to. I have a version 3 license. With my large database I couldn't find out earlier that what I took for granted, that one could check mail and write at the same time and that if I could import messages, char sets in the imported file would be regarded. Other smaller problems I can live with I think, Though I'm hoping for an improvement in searching and mail filtering. I guess a lot of people think that CTM will live up to the name of the app. After all it's *Power*mail, not *so-and-so*mail. If things is said to be changed for the better, then I have some hope. Why do CTM do the quiet style all the time? It's so counterproductive.
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
did you ever test drive? you appear to be quite unhappy, complaining about this and that since almost 2 weeks (?) - makes me wonder if you ever did use it in demo mode or dropped the money and only now find out how it works. ---marlyse >It's extremely disturbing that I can't write an email without >interruptions and check mail at the same time. If such simple act is less >than stellar, then what else is hiding under the surface?
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Marlyse, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >LOL - it might wither for you but there are quite some happy users of PM >- I really don't think it will disappear even if CTM would drop dead or >fly to the moon right now, even with some features not as good as the >greener grass over there. (how many years after ClarisEmailer are people >still using, just because it was THAT good it?!!) And Emailer was last updated when? There are a number of things that have needed attention since 1998 that have been partly solved, by bandaid such as Baton Mail and scripting, but adding OS X support for instance have and is impossible until source code is released to some interested part. Which I seriously doubt will ever happen. That Emailer in Classic does multithreading more elegant than Powermail does natively under OS X, is not something to be proud of. With soon 5 and a half more years for development CTM really should have be able to do better. I want a public statement from CTM. Will you add true multithreading or not? When can we expect to see it? It's extremely disturbing that I can't write an email without interruptions and check mail at the same time. If such simple act is less than stellar, then what else is hiding under the surface?
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
yeaow, that hurts, my grammar before my first cup of coffee - should read: ...how many years after ClarisEmailer are people still using it, just because it was THAT good?!! hope this is better now :) ---marlyse >(how many years after ClarisEmailer are people >still using, just because it was THAT good it?!!)
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Update on this issue: Selecting lots of records actually works OK. I had a corrupted message in the database that could not be selected, so any selection range that included that record would fail. I spend about 9 hours selecting records, moving and deleting yesterday, then did a Compact Database. Things are working much faster now, so it seems more than ever an auto purge of the mail database would be a really good idea. George Henne NS BASIC Corporation http://www.nsbasic.com >Yes, I did. This function probably works OK for small numbers of >messages. However, since it iterates through all the messages at >AppleScript speed, it probably would take over 24 hours to process every day. > >George Henne >NS BASIC Corporation >http://www.nsbasic.com > >>I do not see the problem you have with this - IF you use it on a daily, >>regular basis, it will not be such a volume. Did you ever TRY using the >>FREE apple script 'delete aged messages'? or any similar? >> >>---marlyse >> >>>Another suggested solution is to use a third party AppleScript. It's a >>>nice idea perhaps, but totally impractical with the volumes I have. >> >> >> > > > >
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
LOL - it might wither for you but there are quite some happy users of PM - I really don't think it will disappear even if CTM would drop dead or fly to the moon right now, even with some features not as good as the greener grass over there. (how many years after ClarisEmailer are people still using, just because it was THAT good it?!!) ---marlyse >For other parts in need of attention, I certainly am beginning to feel >that an app that runs in OS X and clearly isn't multithreaded is going to >whither.
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Setting the address of the POP server for an account. The object existed but setting it (before) did nothing. /lss -- Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] VM/Fax: 508-861-0261 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen..." Paul 11:1 On Tue, 27 May 2003 11:05:23 +0200 Mikael Byström wrote: >Larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >>Actually they fixed my Applescript problem :) >> > >Which was? > > >
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Actually they fixed my Applescript problem :) > Which was?
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Barbara, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >George Henne on 5/26/03 said > >>it's nice to see signs of life there, but I don't see fixes for any of >>the problems being discussed nere. > >Well, if you read the release notes they do address "search" and >"manual." Whether or not the "fixes" meet your needs [or our needs] at >least they were taken note of. Now we have to try them and see if they >work. There was a note about removing an index file and starting over to >see if the search works better. I look forward for the realword tests. I can't conduct them too seriously on my own yet. Bug fixes and the other news in 4.1.3 are always welcome, but I fail to see anything fundamental being done to searches. And search bug fixes has not been the only thing voiced on this list in that area. For other parts in need of attention, I certainly am beginning to feel that an app that runs in OS X and clearly isn't multithreaded is going to whither. If CTM Dev haven't thought about addressing that before, they should now. I suggest that version 4.5 should be multithreaded. Another major problem seemingly being ignored or at least not addressed is the lackluster informational support for a clear path for migration for users that international characters in imported mail. Options given or suggested should just work. And if you heard that before, let's just say that this list needs an archive.
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
On Mon, May 26, 2003, Barbara Needham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >work. There was a note about removing an index file and starting over to >see if the search works better. I was having trouble with the LADY error when trying to search no matter how many times I ran the "First Aid" options. After downloading the new versions and deleting/rebuilding indexes as suggested, the searches are again functioning (and they are fast!). So, it looks like something was, indeed, fixed there. Cheers, Zach -- Zach Selland Taylor Design Group Portland, OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.taylordesigngroup.com
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Actually they fixed my Applescript problem :) -- Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] VM/Fax: 508-861-0261 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen..." Paul 11:1 On Mon, 26 May 2003 12:43:27 -0400 George Henne wrote: >it's nice to see signs of life there, but I don't see fixes for any of >the problems being discussed nere. > >George Henne >NS BASIC Corporation >http://www.nsbasic.com > >>Should this thread's subject be changed to Powermail 4.1.3 now? >> >>Rick >> >>--- >>G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS 10.2.6 :: PM 4.1.3 :: 3 pane mode :: 768 MB RAM >> >> >> >> > > > >
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
George Henne on 5/26/03 said >it's nice to see signs of life there, but I don't see fixes for any of >the problems being discussed nere. Well, if you read the release notes they do address "search" and "manual." Whether or not the "fixes" meet your needs [or our needs] at least they were taken note of. Now we have to try them and see if they work. There was a note about removing an index file and starting over to see if the search works better. -- Barbara Needham
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
it's nice to see signs of life there, but I don't see fixes for any of the problems being discussed nere. George Henne NS BASIC Corporation http://www.nsbasic.com >Should this thread's subject be changed to Powermail 4.1.3 now? > >Rick > >--- >G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS 10.2.6 :: PM 4.1.3 :: 3 pane mode :: 768 MB RAM > > > >
Re(3): Powermail 4.1.2
Sorry - I did not mean to imply otherwise. George Henne NS BASIC Corporation http://www.nsbasic.com >George Henne [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 5/26/03 at 05:40 AM stated: > >>Yes, I did. This function probably works OK for small numbers of >>messages. However, since it iterates through all the messages at >>AppleScript speed, it probably would take over 24 hours to process every day. >> >>George Henne >>NS BASIC Corporation >>http://www.nsbasic.com > >I've said this once and I'll say this again. AppleScript is NOT the >problem. In fact, there are two things AppleScript is very good at >internally. Storing things as lists and doing iterations. The time it >takes for PM to delete the messages is what slows this process down. > >Wayne > >-- >"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." >- Napoleon Bonaparte > >Live DAT & Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ >Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music >PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html > >Music Currently playing: > > >
