Re: Who uses IMAP

2005-06-05 Thread C. A. Niemiec

No, I don't think it was ever promoted as free for life.
It's hard to imagine any responsible company going out on a limb like that.

Oh, for the corporate promises of the 90s... 

/nostalgia :)

Chris
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Re: Who uses IMAP

2005-06-05 Thread Tom Miller

On 6/1/05, at 12:24 PM, John Maylone, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Yeah, didn't they advertise them as free for life?  I got my
account, switched everything over to that, thinking coolnever
again and the next thing I know it was pay up or get out.  That
was certainly the low point in my relationship with Mr Jobs. 

No, I don't think it was ever promoted as free for life.
It's hard to imagine any responsible company going out on a limb like that.






Re: Re: Who uses IMAP

2005-06-03 Thread Willem Smelik

I don't use Apple's IMAP, but that of my College. Using two different  
computers and receiving complaints when I leave mail on the POP- 
server for even 1 day, IMAP has its attractions. For IMAP to work  
nicely with PM it should be faste, filters should apply, and  
searching should be possible. That would make me very happy! On Mail  
all this works reasonably well., but needless to add, I still live by  
PM's search facilities, which remain the absolute top—Mail doesn't  
even come close.

On 2 Jun 2005, at 7:01 pm, PowerMail discussions wrote:

 powermail-discuss Digest #2137 - Thursday, June 2, 2005

   Re: Who uses IMAP
   by John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Re: Feature Request: GROWL
   by Tim Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Re: Feature Request: GROWL
   by Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Re: Re-Wrap Quoted Lines
   by Richard Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Re: Who uses IMAP
   by Michael Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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 Subject: Re: Who uses IMAP
 From: John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:24:55 -0700


 Yeah, didn't they advertise them as free for life?  I got my
 account, switched everything over to that, thinking coolnever
 again and the next thing I know it was pay up or get out.  That
 was certainly the low point in my relationship with Mr Jobs.

 Reminded me SOOO much of my ex, but she processed data at a much
 slovwer rate.

 Cheers,

 John



 I had a .Mac account when they were free and dropped it when I had
 to start paying for it.




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 Subject: Re: Feature Request: GROWL
 From: Tim Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:53:20 +0100

 On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 6:06 pm +0200, Karel Gillissen wrote:


 You can turn them off in the preferences:
 Go to Preferences - notifications

 Karel

 Op vrijdag, 27 mei 2005 schreef Lally Singh:


 Hi.  The one thing that gets me about PM is that every time I  
 open up
 my laptop, the dock icon bounces incessantly until I click OK on  
 each
 of three different No POP server on X dialogs.  I donno how many
 others it bothers, but I know it's constantly making me think of  
 other
 mail clients to look at.


 Yes, I've done the same, but it makes me a bit uneasy that I now don't
 get notification of genuine problems connecting to the server.

 But I notice that one of PM 5.2's features is: A new method is  
 used to
 determine when the computer is connected to the network; this may fix
 some difficultes when PowerMail tried to connect immediately after  
 wake-
 up. So maybe an upgrade will help?

 TimH




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 Subject: Re: Feature Request: GROWL
 From: Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:28:02 -0400

 Tim Hodgson wrote at 10:53 pm (+0100) on Wed 01 Jun 2005:


 But I notice that one of PM 5.2's features is: A new method is  
 used to
 determine when the computer is connected to the network; this may fix
 some difficultes when PowerMail tried to connect immediately after  
 wake-
 up. So maybe an upgrade will help?


 In practice this change has, at least for me simply increased the  
 amount
 of time I spend waiting for spinning beach balls (regardless of how  
 well
 my net connection is working).  Oh well.

 -ben

 --
 Ben Kennedy, chief magician
 zygoat creative technical services
 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
 http://www.zygoat.ca



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 Subject: Re: Re-Wrap Quoted Lines
 From: Richard Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:19:50 -0700

 Daniele Procida wrote:


 I'd like to be able to rewrap lines that I have
 quoted, like the one above, at the touch of a button.
 If anyone uses MacSOUP for news then they will know
 how useful this is (MacSOUP can rewrap several levels
 of quoted text instantly an neatly).


 What you are looking for is SmartWrap, a word service which appears in
 your Services menu in every application. It's default keyboard  
 shortcut
 is Shift-Cmd-A, but you can change that.

 http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/4065

 RH


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 Subject: Re: Who uses IMAP
 From: Michael Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:53:37 -0400

 C. A. Niemiec sez:


 So my question: Is IMAP ever _fast_?


 IMAP is just as fast as POP. However, the sequence for things is
 different, so it APPEARS slower to us. With POP, unless you've set  
 some
 weird pref somewhere, it downloads all of your email at once. So, when
 you click on an email, you see it -- POOF. With IMAP, only the  
 headers of
 an email are downloaded and shown in a list. Then, when you click, it
 downloads the message, so there is a brief pause while it does  
 this. The
 faster your internet connection (the better

Re: Who uses IMAP

2005-06-02 Thread Michael Lewis

C. A. Niemiec sez:

So my question: Is IMAP ever _fast_?

IMAP is just as fast as POP. However, the sequence for things is
different, so it APPEARS slower to us. With POP, unless you've set some
weird pref somewhere, it downloads all of your email at once. So, when
you click on an email, you see it -- POOF. With IMAP, only the headers of
an email are downloaded and shown in a list. Then, when you click, it
downloads the message, so there is a brief pause while it does this. The
faster your internet connection (the better the server, etc.) determines
how slow this feels to you.

I like the idea of IMAP because everything stays on the server.
Ostensibly it could be set up so that spam and viruses and such never get
to your computer. When you see a header in the list that made it past
your IMAP server-based spam checkers, you delete it and POOF it's gone
before it ever downloads to your system. I like that.

However, as a system admin, I never could convince anyone that the
protection it afforded (along with the organizational abilities and other
pluses if you worked from multiple workstations in multiple environments)
trumped having to wait an extra .05-2 seconds for the email to pop up for
reading. (And caching and other techniques available these days could
probably even fix that.) Also, I never could convince people it was a
good thing to archive old mail in other local folders to free space on
the IMAP server when their quota was reached. But I want it all! I might
have to look up that letter from 1995! Well, some people may, but, trust
me, those I was dealing with did not. :)

POP has several features one can enable to emulate what IMAP does: leave
mail on server, partial downloading, etc., but in my experience it has
never been exactly what IMAP is.

Do I use IMAP? With my .Mac account I do, but I usually connect to it via
web browser and not through Powermail anyway. Otherwise, the nature of
the work I do now is serviced well enough by POP accounts. But I wouldn't
hesitate to set up an IMAP server if I felt it was best for an organization...

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
240-271-9889
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com






Re: Who uses IMAP

2005-06-02 Thread John Maylone


Yeah, didn't they advertise them as free for life?  I got my
account, switched everything over to that, thinking coolnever
again and the next thing I know it was pay up or get out.  That
was certainly the low point in my relationship with Mr Jobs.  

Reminded me SOOO much of my ex, but she processed data at a much
slovwer rate.

Cheers,

John


I had a .Mac account when they were free and dropped it when I had
to start paying for it.