Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
Salam, Di bawah ini saya selipkan juga salah satu book's review terhadap buku MJ Akbar yang berjudul 'Shade of Swords' seperti yang disebut oleh bung Qisai terdahulu. Kali aja ada gunanya. :) -- Blending world history over 15 centuries -By Robin Elsham (Reuters) Once it lands in your book store, spare a moment to leaf through The Shade of Swords: Jihad and the conflict between Islam & Christianity. Despite its unwieldy sub-title, the book has several excellent chapters on the conflict between Muslims and Hindus in South Asia, now a major flashpoint in this complex battle.In the crowded category of works on the historical forces behind September 11, Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, this book stands out. Its one of the few not written by an instant expert on the conflict, nor, more significantly, by a Westerner. Its author is M.J. Akbar, who brings two special qualities to the task of explaining the origins of a conflict which started long before September 11, and now threatens to escalate into nuclear war between India and Pakistan.First, Akbar is a Muslim scholar, infusing his account of the ancient origins of jihad - and its convoluted re-emergence - with an understanding of its power over Muslims the world over. "The power of jihad pervades the mind and soul of Islam," he writes. "The mind is where the current battle will be fought, and this is why it will be a long war. Secondly, Akbar writes well, turning what in fact is an immense work of scholarship - blending world history over 15 centuries, Islamic theology and a trenchant analysis of current geo-political tensions - into a page turner."The Shade of Swords has done the impossible for this Westerner who, like far too many in Washington, did not know enough about the far too complicated Islamic world, Pulitzer-prize-winning writer Seymour Hersh wrote in a review. "M.J. Akbar has produced an innovative and lucid history of ideology, idolatry, vitriol and violence that is amazingly well written..."Akbar writes with a flair that already has won him acclaim. Born in Kolkata, at 51, he is one of Indias most distinguished journalists, founder and editor-in-chief of The Asian Age newspaper and author of two previous books.The New York Times called his 1989 book, Nehru: The Making of India, "a brilliant portrait." The Sunday Times praised his other book, India: The Siege Within, as "the best and most accessible explanation of the new Indian crisis."In The Shade of Swords, Akbar blends that trademark scholarship with a novelists story-telling power as he analyses the spread of fundamentalist fervour in the Islamic world.The book was chosen as book of the month for June by Blackwells, one of Britains largest book store chains.A Dutch edition is in the works, and negotiations for translation into other languages are planned, according to Roli Books, the publisher in India where it was first released. Roli Books Pvt Ltd, the books Indian publisher, says 14,000 copies have been sold in India so far, and the book is into its fourth edition.The Shade of Swords charts the evolution of jihad from the very beginning of the Islamic faith in the seventh century, when a group of 300 Muslims defeated a vastly better-equipped army three times its size. The Battle of Badr spawned jihad, a concept of heroic defence of the faith.Jihad "is not an invitation to kill; it is an invitation to die," Akbar writes in the introduction. "Peace is the avowed aim of Islam, but from time to time Islam also demands the blood of the faithful in defence of the faith. This is jihad."In an interview before leaving for the books British launch, Akbar said he had decided to write the book more than a decade ago, prompted by the rapid re-emergence of Islam he observed during a Central Asian trip soon after the Soviet Union collapsed.An essay he wrote then is depressingly prophetic now. "The Wests next confrontation is definitely going to come from the Muslim world. It is in the sweep of Islamic nations from the Maghreb to Pakistan that the struggle for a new world order will begin."That passage was quoted by Harvard political scientist Samuel Huntington in a 1993 article in the US monthly Foreign Affairs, summarising the ideas he developed in his book, The Clash of Civilisations and the Remaking of World Order.In The Shade of Swords, Akbar describes the appeal of jihad to Muslims living in countries ruled by inept, corrupt or brutal regimes - often propped up by the United States - or in lands where the suppression of Islamic fundamentalism with political aspirations has fuelled theocratic nationalism."The Wests inability to look beyond friendly dictatorships and despots is becoming the biggest problem for the West" by breeding Islamic radicalism, Akbar said.The defeats suffered by Arabs in three wars with Israel, the humiliation and persecution of the Palestinians, and the economic stagnation of many Islamic nations compo
Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
Hmmm, benar juga. 1. 60 : 40 bedanya bener bener jauh ya 2. Apalagi ketuker antara Zarqawi dengan Muqtada al sadr Okelah, lain kali saya akan lebih militan, terutama dalam masalah timur tengah. :)) Boleh di update juga nggak masalah al Aqsa ? salam, Ari Condro - Original Message - From: "kim3hook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bukan main ! Ini baru scope. Zarkawi itu Islam aliran Sunni dan Irak itu mayoritas sbg Islam Sunni ? Kenapa bisa terjadi netter Indonesia mendapat informasi yang benar-benar diluar pemahaman umum yang mana setiap insan pemakai intenet itu sudah paham bahwa di Irak itu adalah shiyah yang mayoritas ? Kenapa bisa terjadi kesalahan informasi seperti Ari Condro cerna ? Kalau begini jadinya sih, pantesan kesalah pahaman itu sliweran di milis-milis yang dihuni oleh netter dari Nusantara. Ya karena ke- salahan utama mereka² ini yakni mendapat informasi yang salah. Bisa jadi fenomena kesalahan ini ya karena kebanyakan netter muslim itu sering berkumpul di milis-milis yang di moderasi dg eksklusif anggota nya khusus bagi muslim seperti eramuslim, Sabili dan sejenisnya lagi, dimana disana itu bukan spirit kritis yang menonjol tapi spirit kompromi. Disana, yang penting itu satu paham dan dilarang keras melakukan reformasi cara berpikir, terutama terhadap opini ttg agama Islam. __ http://indonews.free.fr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he's hitting you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aFQ_rC/isnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
ya udah.. sekarang aku minta tolong bung Kimhook, boleh?? berita tentang Al Aqsa dong.. please.. terimakasih ya?? regards, -Original Message- From: kim3hook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bukan main ! Ini baru scope. Zarkawi itu Islam aliran Sunni dan Irak itu mayoritas sbg Islam Sunni ? Kenapa bisa terjadi netter Indonesia mendapat informasi yang benar-benar diluar pemahaman umum yang mana setiap insan pemakai intenet itu sudah paham bahwa di Irak itu adalah shiyah yang mayoritas ? Kenapa bisa terjadi kesalahan informasi seperti Ari Condro cerna ? Kalau begini jadinya sih, pantesan kesalah pahaman itu sliweran di milis-milis yang dihuni oleh netter dari Nusantara. Ya karena ke- salahan utama mereka² ini yakni mendapat informasi yang salah. Bisa jadi fenomena kesalahan ini ya karena kebanyakan netter muslim itu sering berkumpul di milis-milis yang di moderasi dg eksklusif anggota nya khusus bagi muslim seperti eramuslim, Sabili dan sejenisnya lagi, dimana disana itu bukan spirit kritis yang menonjol tapi spirit kompromi. Disana, yang penting itu satu paham dan dilarang keras melakukan reformasi cara berpikir, terutama terhadap opini ttg agama Islam. __ http://indonews.free.fr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore . http://us.click.yahoo.com/FLQ_sC/gsnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda>> pro Ari
OOh, untuk komposisi penduduk saya salah ya. Nah kalau untuk alirannya pak Zarqawi ? salam, Ari Condro - Original Message - From: "Qisai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Salam, Pa kabarnya neh Bekasi? hehehe Saya hanya ingin sedikit meluruskan pernyataan tentang kelompok mayoritas di Iraq. Bahwa mayoritas umat muslim di Iraq itu bukan Sunni, tapi sekitar enampuluh persen dari umat muslim di Iraq adalah penganut Muslim Syiah. Jadi kelompok mayoritas di iraq itu bukan Sunni, tapi sebaliknya, Syiah. Pemerintahan Saddam yang sekian lama berkuasa di Iraq itu adalah pemerintahan Sunni minoritas. Dan dalam sejarh Iraq sampai berakhirnya kekuasaan Saddam oleh invasi AS dan sekutunya, mayoritas Syiah di Iraq selalu berada dibawah kekuasaan minoritas Sunni. Dalam bukunya 'Shade of Swords', MJ Akbar memberikan penjelasan yang cukup elaborative tentang masalah ini. Wassalam Qisa'i AMU Aligarh (UP) India Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Take a look at donorschoose.org, an excellent charitable web site for anyone who cares about public education! http://us.click.yahoo.com/O.5XsA/8WnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
Ade ngawur. Iraq itu mayoritas Sunni, dan Zarkaawi itu justru Syiah. Tapi yang sunni pun, bahkan di Indonesia, banyak yang simpati dengan perjuangannya Zarkawi. Silakan ade ikutan di milis islam semacam eramuslim, partai-keadilan-sejahtera, partai-islam, baca juga web swaramuslim, eramuslim, comes, syariah-online, dan lain-lain, untuk tahu suara bebrapa gerakan islam di Indonesia, meskipun ini bukan suara mayoritas. Suara lain boleh lah anda ikutan milisnya kebangkitan bangsa, muhammadiyyah2000, dan milis-milisnya mahasiswa Indonesia di Al Azhar. salam, Ari Condro - Original Message - From: "kim3hook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ini dapet berita dari mana kalau rakyat Irak yang mayoritas shiyah itu pro terhadap si Zarkawi yang sunni ? Dari mana info yang salah ini ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/mGEjbB/5WnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
buat Mas Bagong dan mas Kim Hook Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
buat Mas Bagong dan mas Kim Hook, Sungguh, alangkah baik dan indahnya, apabila saudara-saudara diam bersama dengan rukun! seia sekata dan jangan ada perpecahan di antara kamu, supaya kamu erat bersatu dan sehati sepikir. Saudara-saudara, janganlah kamu bersungut-sungut dan saling mempersalahkan. Sikap hati yang positif akan menghasilkan hal-hal positif. Sebaliknya, sikap hati negatif akan menghasilkan hal-hal negatif pula. kalau saudara berdua saling jotos2an, yakin deh, hati anda sudah berpotensi ke arah yang negatif. Orang yang bersikap positif (positive thinking) selalu berusaha melihat segala sesuatu dari kacamata positif, bahkan dalam situasi yang buruk sekalipun. Dia lebih suka membicarakan kebaikan daripada keburukan orang lain, lebih suka bicara mengenai harapan daripada keputusasaan, lebih suka mencari solusi daripada frustasi, lebih suka memuji daripada mengecam. Marilah rendah hati seperti Pak Nur Rohman. Orang yang rendah hati bisa mengakui dan menghargai keunggulan orang lain. Ia seperti padi yang semakin berisi semakin menunduk. :-) salam andimario kim3hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Mas Bagong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Bagi orang Irak, si 'semak-semal' itu ya mbahnya teroris, Al Zarkawi > bisa jadi pahlawan... ... Ini dapet berita dari mana kalau rakyat Irak yang mayoritas shiyah itu pro terhadap si Zarkawi yang sunni ? Dari mana info yang salah ini ? Rakyat irak itu sudah cape dengan rezim Saddam, mereka ingin hidup spt negara moderen yang demokrasi. Majalah dan koran harian mulai menjamur karena rakyat begitu antusias utk merdeka. Kaum perempuan Irak mulai meminta kebebasan dan meminta hak penuh sebagai manusia yg bebas dan merdeka, tidak dikungkung oleh tiran dan ada agama yang kolot. Orang Shiyah dibantai oleh Saddam, sekarang, pas didepan mata ada gerbang demokrasi, dibabatnya pula oleh golongan Sunni dibawah pimpinan Zarkawi, si penteror. Dan ironisnya, orang-orang shiyah itu dibantai dihalaman mesjid sehabis pulang jumat'an, tidak ada itu dunia Islam yang prihatin dan protes terhadap nasib golongan shiyah. Spt nya wajar-wajar saja jika shiya dibantai oleh sunni. Ini benar-benar sangat mengherankan. _ http://indonews.free.fr *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore . http://us.click.yahoo.com/FLQ_sC/gsnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
Dear all Sastrawan dinilai dari hasil sastranya. Penulis dinilai dari hasil tulisannya... Pemilist dinilai dari hasil postingannya... Jadi please lah jangan menggunakan kata-kata kasar dalam posting.. Karena saya hanya khawatir kata-kata kasar hanya akan menyakiti diri anda dan menimbulkan do'a yang buruk bagi kita semua.semoga tidak. That's all Best regards, Oman -Original Message- From: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kim3hook Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:29 PM To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Mas Bagong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kalau orang mempertahankan negaranya disebut 'teroris' maka SUkarno > adalah teroris sebagaimana Hatta, Sudirman deelel deesbe... ... Ini sih sudah benar-benar kualat tujuh turunan menyamakan Sukarno dengnan si Zarkawi; si tukang jagal rakyat di Irak. Sukarno itu bisa jadi di tuduh teroris oleh kolonial Belanda, tapi kan Sukarno itu tidal memotong kepala orang-orang sipil, tidak membom rakyat yang lagi belanja di pasar. Amit-amit, jangan-jangan mas bagong itu jadi celeng karena kualat. http://indonews.free.fr *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/MCfFmA/SOnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~-> *** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *** __ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda-->berfikir moderat
presumption of innocent..., plead guilty or not guilty..it's a common words
used in court..
but i think we couldnt be judgemental or quoted from Mario.."impartial
judgement"
bcs it always two sides of the story.., it's not on our capacity as an
observer to judge or to make a decision based on that..
to have a modern minds we have to put aside our subjective paradigm,
personal interest, subjective teachings, and free and open our minds with
reasons, logics, facts, accurate data, systematical history/chronology..to
achieve one general conclusion..based on universal values...
we all agrees that killings, takes human life for any cause even for fake
honorable cause is a crime..
committing suicide action which killings his/her self it's a crime to
God..but committing suicide bombs which the purpose is to kill as many ppl
especially ur enemy to make a statement or for a holy purpose..i think it's
the worst crime ever..it's not only against God but destroy life of
others..it's not only crime but stupiditiest thing ever...
this desperate acts based on pure hatred, evils minds, and uncureable
insanity.., and i think this thing is a deadly virus that spead like
AIDS...acroos the world..recruting and infiltrating innocent ppl to become
their follower...and to prevent it from happening we should guard our minds
with a modern thinking (berfikir moderat)..bcs it's like a virus..we never
know if we got inffected...
Mario Gagho
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Please respond to
ppiindia
bung andreas,
sikap anda ini patut menjadi standar bagi siapa saja
yg menganggap dirinya moderat. moderat berarti
berpikir (karena forum milis memang untuk berfikir dan
berkata, bukan bertindak)secara moderat
(middle-path)menurut standar dunia modern.
untuk berfikir moderat, diperlukan sikap empatik dan
pembacaan imparsial pada setiap fenomena kontemporer
yg ada. terutama, ketika fenomena itu terjadi "from
the other side", serta konsistensi sikap (tidak
standar ganda) dalam menilai suatu perilaku baik
ketika dilakukan "pihak lain" maupun oleh "kalangan
sendiri".
contoh mudah, bagi non-muslim (khususnya nasrani)
ketika kita mengecam tindakan barbar pelaku bom bunuh
diri yg dilakukan militan irak (yg muslim) yg
mengakibatkan korban kematian berbagai kalangan tak
berdosa, maka kita juga hendaknya tak ragu untuk
mengecam tindakan yg dilakukan AS (yg kristen) ketika
memborbardir fallujah dan mengebom orang2 yg lagi
resepsi pernikahan. no excuse. simple.
sikap moderat dan imparsial semacam ini pada akhirnya
akan menimbulkan pengelompokan golongan berdasarkan
moderat-fundamentalis; bukan berdasarkan
islam-nonmuslim. dan kalau ini terjadi, maka hal yg
lebih signifikan akan terjadi: "perang" antara wacana
moderat dan fundamentalis/militan. jadi, bukan
"perang" antar-agama, melainkah antara mindset.
apabila ini dapat dilakukan di milis ini, forum ini
akan menjadi milis pertama--arguably--yg memelopori
metode ini. dan ini akan berakhir dg sangat indah; di
mana, kalangan moderat dari kedua pihak
muslim/nonmuslim akan saling membahu 'memerangi'
kalangan fundamentalis/militan dari kedua pihak
(muslim/nonmuslim).
gimana?
salam hangat dan thanks atas sikap bung andreas,
--- ANDREAS MIHARDJA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before discussing in more details - I just want to
> point to the following facts:
> Besides the muslim fundamentalist - the japanese
> shinto religion also honoured suicide. I bet there
> are more movements even among the christian churches
> that encourage suicide {Jim Jones church]. History
>
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bung andreas,
sikap anda ini patut menjadi standar bagi siapa saja
yg menganggap dirinya moderat. moderat berarti
berpikir (karena forum milis memang untuk berfikir dan
berkata, bukan bertindak)secara moderat
(middle-path)menurut standar dunia modern.
untuk berfikir moderat, diperlukan sikap empatik dan
pembacaan imparsial pada setiap fenomena kontemporer
yg ada. terutama, ketika fenomena itu terjadi "from
the other side", serta konsistensi sikap (tidak
standar ganda) dalam menilai suatu perilaku baik
ketika dilakukan "pihak lain" maupun oleh "kalangan
sendiri".
contoh mudah, bagi non-muslim (khususnya nasrani)
ketika kita mengecam tindakan barbar pelaku bom bunuh
diri yg dilakukan militan irak (yg muslim) yg
mengakibatkan korban kematian berbagai kalangan tak
berdosa, maka kita juga hendaknya tak ragu untuk
mengecam tindakan yg dilakukan AS (yg kristen) ketika
memborbardir fallujah dan mengebom orang2 yg lagi
resepsi pernikahan. no excuse. simple.
sikap moderat dan imparsial semacam ini pada akhirnya
akan menimbulkan pengelompokan golongan berdasarkan
moderat-fundamentalis; bukan berdasarkan
islam-nonmuslim. dan kalau ini terjadi, maka hal yg
lebih signifikan akan terjadi: "perang" antara wacana
moderat dan fundamentalis/militan. jadi, bukan
"perang" antar-agama, melainkah antara mindset.
apabila ini dapat dilakukan di milis ini, forum ini
akan menjadi milis pertama--arguably--yg memelopori
metode ini. dan ini akan berakhir dg sangat indah; di
mana, kalangan moderat dari kedua pihak
muslim/nonmuslim akan saling membahu 'memerangi'
kalangan fundamentalis/militan dari kedua pihak
(muslim/nonmuslim).
gimana?
salam hangat dan thanks atas sikap bung andreas,
--- ANDREAS MIHARDJA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before discussing in more details - I just want to
> point to the following facts:
> Besides the muslim fundamentalist - the japanese
> shinto religion also honoured suicide. I bet there
> are more movements even among the christian churches
> that encourage suicide {Jim Jones church]. History
> of the greek has it and many more - incl. Indonesia
> and calls it revolution..
> The question is, is this still exceptable for a
> modern world - and the answer is of course NOT.
> Therefore we call this kind of behaviours terrorism.
> But for those committing it, it was and is still
> honourable. We as outsiders could not fully blame
> these strange mind - unless we know the solutions
> for their fatalistic problems. Most of the
> "terroris" have a very good reason, even if it looks
> very strange to us. Destroying your own life is a
> very high price
> I do not condone these terroris acts - but to solve
> it - we cannot always used forced - we also have to
> use education and social reform to counter act their
> way of thinking. Finger pointing does not help and
> blaming the stupidity of fundamentalist teaching is
> useless.
> Andreas
>
>
>
>
> Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> mba..perang ideologi or psy-war..sebenarnya gak
> tepat direferred
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Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
Before discussing in more details - I just want to point to the following facts:
Besides the muslim fundamentalist - the japanese shinto religion also honoured
suicide. I bet there are more movements even among the christian churches that
encourage suicide {Jim Jones church]. History of the greek has it and many more
- incl. Indonesia and calls it revolution..
The question is, is this still exceptable for a modern world - and the answer
is of course NOT. Therefore we call this kind of behaviours terrorism. But for
those committing it, it was and is still honourable. We as outsiders could not
fully blame these strange mind - unless we know the solutions for their
fatalistic problems. Most of the "terroris" have a very good reason, even if it
looks very strange to us. Destroying your own life is a very high price
I do not condone these terroris acts - but to solve it - we cannot always used
forced - we also have to use education and social reform to counter act their
way of thinking. Finger pointing does not help and blaming the stupidity of
fundamentalist teaching is useless.
Andreas
Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
mba..perang ideologi or psy-war..sebenarnya gak tepat direferred
disini..freedom is absolutely an ideology, it has conquered all and raise
above all ideologies in the world...but terrorism..do u see it as an
ideology...? but who have those kinda awful and terrible ideology..? could
u tell..? so if US with its ideology of freedom against terrorism (i still
hesitate to mention who have those kinda ideology)..so definitely u could
see the black and white picture here..right..?:))..i assume..:))
mba..i wish that James Bond would save the probs.:))...but james bond is
from British..mba...:)) u could ask British Government to send him..not
US...it's not on their capacity..:)).
"Lina Dahlan"
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Sent by: Subject: [ppiindia] Re:
Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
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05/09/2005 04:12
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Please respond to
ppiindia
Soal kafir dan mengkafirkan orang lain, saya jengkel juga sama orang-
orang yang mudah mengatakan kafir sehingga menimbulkan kekerasan.
Tetapi sekarang saya cuek..kayak Bush gitu... cuek aja mo dibilang
kafir kek gak kek pokeke niat guwe mesti kesampean...he..he...
kan orang itu punya freedom mo bilang kafir or gak, mereka punya
kriteria sendiri knp menyebut org lain kafir...jadi biarin
aja..tanggung masing-masing...:-)
kalo Iraq menebarkan kata 'kafir' buat musuh..sah-sah aja, sama
sahnya pemerintah amerika mengatakan Islam is terorist, wong namanya
juga 'perang'...perang dalam pemikiran alias 'ghozwul fikri'.
Buat kita penonton kan cuma bisa berkomentar sebagai penonton.
Kindness apaan yang diberikan AS kepada Iraq? Wong gak ada yang
minta his kindness kok ge-er pisan...Kalo kindness kan dah ku bilang
kirim James Bond aja...jadi gak ada korban sipil maupun tentara AS...
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Carla Annamarie
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam
> yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya
> dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir...
> > Mba Lina..now u see the point..., ppl of iraq hates saddam bcs
his> demonized-rezime, but also hate US for
being ""kafir""..gosh..it's so> terrible , dont u see..?, kindness
paid with hatred..., it's like a pattern> in arabs country..., i
wonder if the Kafir ppl or kafir country has> suffered the same
thing, does arabs or islamic country will do t
Re: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda
mba..perang ideologi or psy-war..sebenarnya gak tepat direferred disini..freedom is absolutely an ideology, it has conquered all and raise above all ideologies in the world...but terrorism..do u see it as an ideology...? but who have those kinda awful and terrible ideology..? could u tell..? so if US with its ideology of freedom against terrorism (i still hesitate to mention who have those kinda ideology)..so definitely u could see the black and white picture here..right..?:))..i assume..:)) mba..i wish that James Bond would save the probs.:))...but james bond is from British..mba...:)) u could ask British Government to send him..not US...it's not on their capacity..:)). "Lina Dahlan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com .com>cc: Sent by: Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Kafir-->Ini bukan propaganda [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 05/09/2005 04:12 PM Please respond to ppiindia Soal kafir dan mengkafirkan orang lain, saya jengkel juga sama orang- orang yang mudah mengatakan kafir sehingga menimbulkan kekerasan. Tetapi sekarang saya cuek..kayak Bush gitu... cuek aja mo dibilang kafir kek gak kek pokeke niat guwe mesti kesampean...he..he... kan orang itu punya freedom mo bilang kafir or gak, mereka punya kriteria sendiri knp menyebut org lain kafir...jadi biarin aja..tanggung masing-masing...:-) kalo Iraq menebarkan kata 'kafir' buat musuh..sah-sah aja, sama sahnya pemerintah amerika mengatakan Islam is terorist, wong namanya juga 'perang'...perang dalam pemikiran alias 'ghozwul fikri'. Buat kita penonton kan cuma bisa berkomentar sebagai penonton. Kindness apaan yang diberikan AS kepada Iraq? Wong gak ada yang minta his kindness kok ge-er pisan...Kalo kindness kan dah ku bilang kirim James Bond aja...jadi gak ada korban sipil maupun tentara AS... --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam > yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya > dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir... > > Mba Lina..now u see the point..., ppl of iraq hates saddam bcs his> demonized-rezime, but also hate US for being ""kafir""..gosh..it's so> terrible , dont u see..?, kindness paid with hatred..., it's like a pattern> in arabs country..., i wonder if the Kafir ppl or kafir country has> suffered the same thing, does arabs or islamic country will do the same> thing as rescue, liberate them, fight for them, sacrificies for them, or > even died for them..., i think i doubt that..bcs sacrificies for others> that re different or kafir..is not in the heart or in the mind of them> (arabs)...bcs it's only hatred they could gives..is it a very pitiful thing> to see..? > > > > > > > > "Lina Dahlan" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com > .com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Ini bukan propaganda > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ups.com > > > 05/09/2005 12:52 > PM > Please respond to > ppiindia > > > > > > > Ada benernya jg fakta-fakta ini, tapi ini tidak dapat dijadikan > pembenaran AS menyerang Irak. Itulah kelihaian Amerika menggunakan > situasi dan kesempatan. Apakah untuk pemerintahan Amrik ini betul > utk 'freedom' suatu negara lain? bukan ada bisnis lain? > > Maukah mereka berperang demi 'freedom' suatu negara lain tanpa > mengambil keuntungan apa-apa? > > Jelas kalau Kuwait, pemerintahan Kuwait minta tolong ke AS, tapi >
