Re: Directory Size

2006-12-03 Thread Jaime Vasquez
Richard Kaye wrote:
> You could do something similar using ADIR()
> 
> ADIR(aFiles,[*.*])
> x=0
> FOR y=1 TO ALEN(afiles,1)
> x=x+afiles[y,2]
> NEXT
> ?x


Cool!, another option, Thank you.



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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
I think the "Book of Liberal Successes" if probably
more exaggerated, or perhaps the "Book of French War
Heroes".



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> On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
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> >>> Forget about all the history our historians have
> supposedly taught
> >>> you. Stories get exaggerated when people sit
> around a camp fire at
> >>> night, having a few cool ones..
> >>
> >>Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)
> >
> > It's the longest running history book we have.
> 
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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
There you go again confusing him with facts.


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> Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Virgil Bierschwale
> wrote:
> > 
> >> Forget about all the history our historians have
> supposedly taught
> >> you. Stories get exaggerated when people sit
> around a camp fire at
> >> night, having a few cool ones..
> > 
> > Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)
> 
> It's the longest running history book we have.
> 
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:

>>> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught
>>> you. Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at
>>> night, having a few cool ones..
>>
>>  Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)
>
> It's the longest running history book we have.

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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> 
>> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught
>> you. Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at
>> night, having a few cool ones..
> 
>   Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)

It's the longest running history book we have.


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Re: Directory Size

2006-12-03 Thread Richard Kaye
You could do something similar using ADIR()

ADIR(aFiles,[*.*])
x=0
FOR y=1 TO ALEN(afiles,1)
x=x+afiles[y,2]
NEXT
?x


Jaime Vasquez wrote:
> Girard,
>
> No, there's no API, the closest APIS are FindFirstFile and FindNextFile, 
> and a loop through the folder, an example (sorry, VB code), is shown 
> here: http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/getdirectorysize.htm
>
>
> another alternative could be to use DOS:
>
> !Dir c:\windows > c:\tmp\windir.txt
> nI = Alines(aFolderSize, Filetostr("c:\tmp\windir.txt"))
> ?"Folder Size: " + Substr(aFolderSize(nI-1),Rat(" ", aFolderSize(nI - 
> 1), 2))
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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I stay out of mike's stuff..
I don't necessarily agree with everything that he writes on here...

I believe in right and wrong, black and white with no room for gray areas.

Maybe that makes me a simple ole country boy, but I don't care as I've seen
a lot of things in my life and when you go through what I've been through
the last 4 years, you realize that the only thing that matters is good
friends and being on the right side or right or wrong.


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:21 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I'm sorry that we did not all have access to the schooling that you 
> obviously had.
> 
> But you can tell a lot from a person that talks down their nose, 
> irregardless of how much schooling you may or may not have had.
> 

Then you might explain our friend Mike how does it feel to be on the wrong
side of discrimination.

BTW, it's not that I didn't notice. I'm just gracefully conceding your
change of subject.


> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:27 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> People were present during those time frames.
>> People were people back then, just like they are today.
>>
>> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught you.
>> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, 
>> having a few cool ones..
>>
>> Look around you, and you will find that people are allways asking 
>> themselves first, whats in it for me.
>> They did it back then too..
>>
>> Open your closed mind, and you will see that what I'm telling you is 
>> true for the past, just as it will be true in the future..
>>
> 
> Sorry about my closed mind. Is just that I can't abandon the habit of 
> READING what you write : "What you're not understanding is capatilism
> (sic) is what keeps us all working and what makes us strive to be the
best."
> I was so closed as to think you meant "capitalism" when you wrote 
> "capatilism", now I see that you clearly meant "people" and you were 
> referring to "self interest". Can't figure out how could I 
> misrepresent what you meant. Sorry, must be my bad english.
> 
> 
> 
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:42 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of them was known as 
>>> an entrepreneur of some sort
>>> Captialism has been around since the first person learned how to 
>>> barter their skills for something they didn’t have and it will 
>>> survive every one of us..
>>>
>>> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he can use the feed for 
>>> his livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he knows he can 
>>> sell the products of his labor...
>>>
>>>
>> What we have here is a problem of understanding. Capitalism is an 
>> economic system, it was NOT present in the middle ages, it was NOT 
>> present in old Greece, it was NOT present in the renaissance. Self 
>> interest has been around for a longer time. Intelligence, 
>> entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity, investigation, invention, 
>> have been around for a longer time. You are connecting what 
>> is independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to capitalism, 
>> neither
> is farming, they've been around much longer.
>> Of course you can construct your own mythology and pray to the gods 
>> of capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but you should do 
>> that in private.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
 Why I agree with him.
 What you're not understanding is capatilism is what keeps us all 
 working and what makes us strive to be the best.

 Would you prefer that we all lived in the same community where we 
 were born with none of the improvements that captialism brought to us.
 After all, we would not have one single improvement if it werent 
 for business, wall street and the ban

Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I'm sorry that we did not all have access to the schooling that you
> obviously had.
> 
> But you can tell a lot from a person that talks down their nose,
> irregardless of how much schooling you may or may not have had. 
> 

Then you might explain our friend Mike how does it feel to be on the
wrong side of discrimination.

BTW, it's not that I didn't notice. I'm just gracefully conceding your
change of subject.


> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:27 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> People were present during those time frames.
>> People were people back then, just like they are today.
>>
>> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught you.
>> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, 
>> having a few cool ones..
>>
>> Look around you, and you will find that people are allways asking 
>> themselves first, whats in it for me.
>> They did it back then too..
>>
>> Open your closed mind, and you will see that what I'm telling you is 
>> true for the past, just as it will be true in the future..
>>
> 
> Sorry about my closed mind. Is just that I can't abandon the habit of
> READING what you write : "What you're not understanding is capatilism
> (sic) is what keeps us all working and what makes us strive to be the best."
> I was so closed as to think you meant "capitalism" when you wrote
> "capatilism", now I see that you clearly meant "people" and you were
> referring to "self interest". Can't figure out how could I misrepresent what
> you meant. Sorry, must be my bad english.
> 
> 
> 
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:42 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of them was known as 
>>> an entrepreneur of some sort
>>> Captialism has been around since the first person learned how to 
>>> barter their skills for something they didn’t have and it will 
>>> survive every one of us..
>>>
>>> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he can use the feed for 
>>> his livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he knows he can 
>>> sell the products of his labor...
>>>
>>>
>> What we have here is a problem of understanding. Capitalism is an 
>> economic system, it was NOT present in the middle ages, it was NOT 
>> present in old Greece, it was NOT present in the renaissance. Self 
>> interest has been around for a longer time. Intelligence, 
>> entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity, investigation, invention, 
>> have been around for a longer time. You are connecting what is 
>> independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to capitalism, neither
> is farming, they've been around much longer.
>> Of course you can construct your own mythology and pray to the gods of 
>> capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but you should do that 
>> in private.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
 Why I agree with him.
 What you're not understanding is capatilism is what keeps us all 
 working and what makes us strive to be the best.

 Would you prefer that we all lived in the same community where we 
 were born with none of the improvements that captialism brought to us.
 After all, we would not have one single improvement if it werent for 
 business, wall street and the bankers..
  
>>> You should polish your history. Might I remind you of the roman empire?
>>> Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and geometry. Incas 
>>> empire, good astronomers. The renaissance?
>>>
 Virgil Bierschwale
 http://www.tccutlery.com
 http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
  

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 *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison.
 Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four 
 months in active military service in this cou

RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
To be honest, I've allways felt that this was probably the case...

People will be people.. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
 

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On Dec 3, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught 
> you.
> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, 
> having a few cool ones..

Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)

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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 3, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught  
> you.
> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at  
> night, having
> a few cool ones..

Ah, so now we're talking about the Bible?  ;-)

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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I'm sorry that we did not all have access to the schooling that you
obviously had.

But you can tell a lot from a person that talks down their nose,
irregardless of how much schooling you may or may not have had. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:27 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> People were present during those time frames.
> People were people back then, just like they are today.
> 
> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught you.
> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, 
> having a few cool ones..
> 
> Look around you, and you will find that people are allways asking 
> themselves first, whats in it for me.
> They did it back then too..
> 
> Open your closed mind, and you will see that what I'm telling you is 
> true for the past, just as it will be true in the future..
> 

Sorry about my closed mind. Is just that I can't abandon the habit of
READING what you write : "What you're not understanding is capatilism
(sic) is what keeps us all working and what makes us strive to be the best."
I was so closed as to think you meant "capitalism" when you wrote
"capatilism", now I see that you clearly meant "people" and you were
referring to "self interest". Can't figure out how could I misrepresent what
you meant. Sorry, must be my bad english.



> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of them was known as 
>> an entrepreneur of some sort
>> Captialism has been around since the first person learned how to 
>> barter their skills for something they didn’t have and it will 
>> survive every one of us..
>>
>> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he can use the feed for 
>> his livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he knows he can 
>> sell the products of his labor...
>>
>>
> 
> What we have here is a problem of understanding. Capitalism is an 
> economic system, it was NOT present in the middle ages, it was NOT 
> present in old Greece, it was NOT present in the renaissance. Self 
> interest has been around for a longer time. Intelligence, 
> entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity, investigation, invention, 
> have been around for a longer time. You are connecting what is 
> independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to capitalism, neither
is farming, they've been around much longer.
> Of course you can construct your own mythology and pray to the gods of 
> capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but you should do that 
> in private.
> 
> 
> 
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>> Why I agree with him.
>>> What you're not understanding is capatilism is what keeps us all 
>>> working and what makes us strive to be the best.
>>>
>>> Would you prefer that we all lived in the same community where we 
>>> were born with none of the improvements that captialism brought to us.
>>> After all, we would not have one single improvement if it werent for 
>>> business, wall street and the bankers..
>>>  
>> You should polish your history. Might I remind you of the roman empire?
>> Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and geometry. Incas 
>> empire, good astronomers. The renaissance?
>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Helio W.
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:02 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>>
>>> *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison.
>>> Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four 
>>> months in active military service in this country's most agile 
>>> military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks 
>>> from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I 
>>> spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big 
>>> Business, for Wall
>> Street and for the Bankers.
>>> In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism."*
>>>
>>> ~ Majo

Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> People were present during those time frames.
> People were people back then, just like they are today.
> 
> Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught you.
> Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, having
> a few cool ones..
> 
> Look around you, and you will find that people are allways asking themselves
> first, whats in it for me.
> They did it back then too..
> 
> Open your closed mind, and you will see that what I'm telling you is true
> for the past, just as it will be true in the future.. 
> 

Sorry about my closed mind. Is just that I can't abandon the habit of
READING what you write : "What you're not understanding is capatilism
(sic) is what keeps us all working and what makes us strive to be the best."
I was so closed as to think you meant "capitalism" when you wrote
"capatilism", now I see that you clearly meant "people" and you were
referring to "self interest". Can't figure out how could I misrepresent
what you meant. Sorry, must be my bad english.



> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:42 PM
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> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of them was known as an 
>> entrepreneur of some sort
>> Captialism has been around since the first person learned how to 
>> barter their skills for something they didn’t have and it will survive 
>> every one of us..
>>
>> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he can use the feed for 
>> his livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he knows he can sell 
>> the products of his labor...
>>
>>
> 
> What we have here is a problem of understanding. Capitalism is an economic
> system, it was NOT present in the middle ages, it was NOT present in old
> Greece, it was NOT present in the renaissance. Self interest has been around
> for a longer time. Intelligence, entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity,
> investigation, invention, have been around for a longer time. You
> are connecting what is independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to
> capitalism, neither is farming, they've been around much longer.
> Of course you can construct your own mythology and pray to the gods of
> capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but you should do that in
> private.
> 
> 
> 
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>> Why I agree with him.
>>> What you're not understanding is capatilism is what keeps us all 
>>> working and what makes us strive to be the best.
>>>
>>> Would you prefer that we all lived in the same community where we 
>>> were born with none of the improvements that captialism brought to us.
>>> After all, we would not have one single improvement if it werent for 
>>> business, wall street and the bankers..
>>>  
>> You should polish your history. Might I remind you of the roman empire?
>> Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and geometry. Incas 
>> empire, good astronomers. The renaissance?
>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Helio W.
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:02 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>>
>>> *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison.
>>> Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four 
>>> months in active military service in this country's most agile 
>>> military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks 
>>> from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I 
>>> spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, 
>>> for Wall
>> Street and for the Bankers.
>>> In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism."*
>>>
>>> ~ Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933 Two-time recipient of the 
>>> Congressional Medal of Honor
>>
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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
People were present during those time frames.
People were people back then, just like they are today.

Forget about all the history our historians have supposedly taught you.
Stories get exaggerated when people sit around a camp fire at night, having
a few cool ones..

Look around you, and you will find that people are allways asking themselves
first, whats in it for me.
They did it back then too..

Open your closed mind, and you will see that what I'm telling you is true
for the past, just as it will be true in the future.. 


Virgil Bierschwale
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of them was known as an 
> entrepreneur of some sort
> Captialism has been around since the first person learned how to 
> barter their skills for something they didn’t have and it will survive 
> every one of us..
> 
> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he can use the feed for 
> his livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he knows he can sell 
> the products of his labor...
> 
> 

What we have here is a problem of understanding. Capitalism is an economic
system, it was NOT present in the middle ages, it was NOT present in old
Greece, it was NOT present in the renaissance. Self interest has been around
for a longer time. Intelligence, entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity,
investigation, invention, have been around for a longer time. You
are connecting what is independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to
capitalism, neither is farming, they've been around much longer.
Of course you can construct your own mythology and pray to the gods of
capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but you should do that in
private.



> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> Why I agree with him.
>> What you're not understanding is capatilism is what keeps us all 
>> working and what makes us strive to be the best.
>>
>> Would you prefer that we all lived in the same community where we 
>> were born with none of the improvements that captialism brought to us.
>> After all, we would not have one single improvement if it werent for 
>> business, wall street and the bankers..
>>  
> 
> You should polish your history. Might I remind you of the roman empire?
> Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and geometry. Incas 
> empire, good astronomers. The renaissance?
> 
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Helio W.
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:02 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?
>>
>> *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison.
>> Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four 
>> months in active military service in this country's most agile 
>> military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks 
>> from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I 
>> spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, 
>> for Wall
> Street and for the Bankers.
>> In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism."*
>>
>> ~ Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933 Two-time recipient of the 
>> Congressional Medal of Honor
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
Only from other blue states.


 > He actually thinks US people from out of his state
> are "stinkin' ferriners"
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
I stick to first-world countries, I've never been to
Londonstan. LOL

--- Paul Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 12/2/06, Jean Laeremans
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 12/2/06, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There are places in Paris and London and
> possibly
> > > Brussels where police will not go.
> >
> > I'm quite sure there are places in the US where
> the police will not go.
> > BTW dunno about PAris or London but i do know this
> sin't the case in Brussels...
> 
> Certainly not the case in London.
> 
> Not that Mike would know.  I bet he's never been
> outside his state! :)
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RE: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ricardo Aráoz <> wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
>> So I guess the market place was all government run.
>> 
> 
> If ignorance was an art you'd be Picasso. Capitalism must have market.
> Market can exist without a capitalist system.

Capitalisum was born by the group that couldn't take what they wanted by
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Paul Hill wrote:
> On 12/2/06, Jean Laeremans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 12/2/06, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> There are places in Paris and London and possibly
>>> Brussels where police will not go.
>> I'm quite sure there are places in the US where the police will not go.
>> BTW dunno about PAris or London but i do know this sin't the case in 
>> Brussels...
> 
> Certainly not the case in London.
> 
> Not that Mike would know.  I bet he's never been outside his state! :)
> 

He actually thinks US people from out of his state are "stinkin' ferriners"


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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
> God forbid I bore your, Sparky.
> 

So I guess he's not as powerful as everyone says... you've already done
that.
> 
> --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>> The Roman Empire was capitalist.  why do you think
>> it
>>> lasted so long?
>>>
>> Yeah! Sure. Go write your own particular view of
>> history and go bore
>> editors with it. Just don't bore us.
>>
>>
>>> --- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of
 them was known as an
 entrepreneur of some sort
 Captialism has been around since the first person
 learned how to barter
 their skills for something they didn’t have and
>> it
 will survive every one of
 us..

 A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he
>> can
 use the feed for his
 livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he
 knows he can sell the
 products of his labor... 


 Virgil Bierschwale
 http://www.tccutlery.com
 http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ricardo Aráoz
 Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no
>> importance?
 Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Why I agree with him.
> What you're not understanding is capatilism is
 what keeps us all 
> working and what makes us strive to be the best.
>
> Would you prefer that we all lived in the same
 community where we were 
> born with none of the improvements that
>> captialism
 brought to us.
> After all, we would not have one single
 improvement if it werent for 
> business, wall street and the bankers..
>  
 You should polish your history. Might I remind
>> you
 of the roman empire?
 Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and
 geometry. Incas empire,
 good astronomers. The renaissance?

> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Helio W.
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:02 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no
 importance?
> *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to
>> adopt
 such a comparison.
> Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three
 years and four months 
> in active military service in this country's
>> most
 agile military 
> force, the Marine Corps. I served in all
 commissioned ranks from 
> Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during
 that period, I spent 
> most of my time being a high-class muscle man
>> for
 Big Business, for Wall
 Street and for the Bankers.
> In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for
 capitalism."*
> ~ Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933
 Two-time recipient of the 
> Congressional Medal of Honor
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
> So I guess the market place was all government run.
> 

If ignorance was an art you'd be Picasso. Capitalism must have market.
Market can exist without a capitalist system.


> --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>> Yep, and I'd bet that in there time, every one of
>> them was known as an
>>> entrepreneur of some sort
>>> Captialism has been around since the first person
>> learned how to barter
>>> their skills for something they didn’t have and it
>> will survive every one of
>>> us..
>>>
>>> A farmer doesn’t even plant his crops unless he
>> can use the feed for his
>>> livestock so that he can sell them, or unless he
>> knows he can sell the
>>> products of his labor... 
>>>
>>>
>> What we have here is a problem of understanding.
>> Capitalism is an
>> economic system, it was NOT present in the middle
>> ages, it was NOT
>> present in old Greece, it was NOT present in the
>> renaissance. Self
>> interest has been around for a longer time.
>> Intelligence,
>> entrepreneurship, ingenuousness, curiosity,
>> investigation, invention,
>> have been around for a longer time. You are
>> connecting what is
>> independent. Bartering is not necessarily related to
>> capitalism, neither
>> is farming, they've been around much longer.
>> Of course you can construct your own mythology and
>> pray to the gods of
>> capitalism (what did the bible say about that?) but
>> you should do that
>> in private.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.tccutlery.com
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>> Of Ricardo Aráoz
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:18 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no
>> importance?
>>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
 Why I agree with him.
 What you're not understanding is capatilism is
>> what keeps us all 
 working and what makes us strive to be the best.

 Would you prefer that we all lived in the same
>> community where we were 
 born with none of the improvements that
>> captialism brought to us.
 After all, we would not have one single
>> improvement if it werent for 
 business, wall street and the bankers..
  
>>> You should polish your history. Might I remind you
>> of the roman empire?
>>> Really good engineers. Arabs and greeks, math and
>> geometry. Incas empire,
>>> good astronomers. The renaissance?
>>>
 Virgil Bierschwale
 http://www.tccutlery.com
 http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Helio W.
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:02 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no
>> importance?
 *"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt
>> such a comparison.
 Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three
>> years and four months 
 in active military service in this country's most
>> agile military 
 force, the Marine Corps. I served in all
>> commissioned ranks from 
 Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during
>> that period, I spent 
 most of my time being a high-class muscle man for
>> Big Business, for Wall
>>> Street and for the Bankers.
 In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for
>> capitalism."*
 ~ Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933
>> Two-time recipient of the 
 Congressional Medal of Honor
>>>
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Re: [OT] Colateral damage of no importance?

2006-12-03 Thread Paul Hill
On 12/2/06, Jean Laeremans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/2/06, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There are places in Paris and London and possibly
> > Brussels where police will not go.
>
> I'm quite sure there are places in the US where the police will not go.
> BTW dunno about PAris or London but i do know this sin't the case in 
> Brussels...

Certainly not the case in London.

Not that Mike would know.  I bet he's never been outside his state! :)

-- 
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