RE: [NF] Competition fuel denied email address

[Adam Buckland]

Hi Michael,

The Scunthorpe Problem occurs when a spam filter or search engine accidentally 
blocks e-mails or search results due to the inclusion of a string of letters in 
the text which is mistaken for an obscene word.

The problem was named after an incident in 1996 in which America Online's 
dirty-word filter prevented residents from the town of Scunthorpe from signing 
up for AOL, due to the town's name containing the substring "cunt". Google's 
filters apparently made the same mistake, even when residents searched for 
local businesses with "Scunthorpe" in the name. Residents of Penistone, South 
Yorkshire, suffered a similar problem because of the "penis" substring.

Pornography-filtering programs intended to protect children also fail to 
descriminate between sites that have "sex" in their titles because they carry 
explicit content and those like "RomansInSussex.org", which is a site for 
school children to learn about the history of Sussex. Even a business like 
ArkansasExtermination.com will be blocked in this way.

Recently it has become impossible to mention the words "Socialism" or 
"Socialist" on the Salon.com message boards or blogs because those words 
contain "Cialis", the brand name for an erectile dysfunction medication 
commonly advertised in spam. A similar problem can occur involving the word 
"specialist", typically blocking mailed resumes and other materials including 
job descriptions.

Other examples of mistaken decisions by computer e-mail filters include:

In February 2006 Linda Callahan, a resident of Ashfield, Massachusetts was 
initially prevented from registering her name with Yahoo! as an e-mail address 
as it contained the substring "Allah". Yahoo! later reversed the ban. [1] 
In October 2004, it was reported that the Horniman Museum in London was failing 
to receive some of its e-mail due to filters mistakenly deciding that its name 
was a version of the words "horny man". [2] [3] 
A reader of the Daily Mail newspaper reported that e-mails mentioning the ice 
skater Irina Slutskaya were often blocked due to the inclusion of the substring 
"slut". 
Additionally there can be cases of whole word filtering, showing that computer 
obscenity filters may fail to take into account the context in which a word 
appears:

In May 2006 Ray Kennedy from Manchester in the UK found that e-mails that he 
had written to his local council to complain about a planning application had 
been blocked as they contained the word "erection" when referring to a 
structure. [4] 
In October 2004, e-mails advertising the pantomime Dick Whittington sent by a 
teacher from Norwich in the UK were blocked by school computers due to the use 
of the word "Dick". [5] 
In February 2003 MPs at the British House of Commons found that a new spam 
filter was blocking emails containing references to the Sexual Offences Bill 
then under debate, as well as some messages relating to a discussion about 
censorship.

Cut from Wikipedia



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: 14 December 2006 23:21
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Competition fuel denied email address

Cablevision in NJ denied creating an email address of

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Why?



The word "tit" is in "compettition".  


Duh

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Re: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[Vince Teachout]

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> MB Software Solutions wrote:
>   
>>  From a QB newsletter:
>>
>> Intuit to Discontinue Support for QuickBooks 2004
>> 
>
> Oooo, I'm scared.
>
> I'm still using QB '99. I kid you not.
>   
I'm still using version 4.0 - 1996.  Hey, it does what I need.


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RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[john harvey]

Marketing Kristyne, think marketing

John

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John,

> You will have to upgrade before 2007 to keep from losing data 
> due to the way
> dates are handled in 2007.

???

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RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[Kristyne McDaniel]

John,

> You will have to upgrade before 2007 to keep from losing data 
> due to the way
> dates are handled in 2007.

???

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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Virgil,

> Yeah, and we'll all be flipping burgers by then... 

Not me, sorry. I like to keep several options open. Always have.

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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Virgil,

> I thought things were better too.
> BUT I've received lots of emails from others who cannot find work.
> I've rewritten my resume at least several hundered times, 
> stopping short at
> lying, but I'm beginning to believe that's what its going to 
> take to get me
> back to work.

What kinds of work do you do? I seriously don't see any lack at all of work
at least in the LA area. Several of the places I was working before are
still looking for people even.

If all you know is older versions of FoxPro then perhaps it is tough, but if
you have been keeping up with internet technologies and also know VFP there
does not seem to be any lack at all. I don't think it is too great for a
VFP-only programmer with no other skills, but for someone that has two or
three things they know how to do I can't see how they'd go hungry around
here.

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RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[john harvey]

You will have to upgrade before 2007 to keep from losing data due to the way
dates are handled in 2007.

John

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MB Software Solutions wrote:
>  From a QB newsletter:
> 
> Intuit to Discontinue Support for QuickBooks 2004

Oooo, I'm scared.

I'm still using QB '99. I kid you not.

Whil


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RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I use quicken home and business 2006 because I can generate and email
invoices in it.
For 75 + bucks, an independent such as myself can't go wrong and I sometimes
wonder why some developers still use excel to handle their billing 

Oh well, different strokes for different folks...!!! 


Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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MB Software Solutions wrote:
>  From a QB newsletter:
> 
> Intuit to Discontinue Support for QuickBooks 2004

Oooo, I'm scared.

I'm still using QB '99. I kid you not.

Whil


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Re: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
>  From a QB newsletter:
> 
> Intuit to Discontinue Support for QuickBooks 2004

Oooo, I'm scared.

I'm still using QB '99. I kid you not.

Whil


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Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html


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[NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued

[MB Software Solutions]

 From a QB newsletter:

Intuit to Discontinue Support for QuickBooks 2004

At the end of May 2007, Intuit will discontinue support for QuickBooks 
2004 and QuickBooks Enterprise Solutions Version 4. Intuit is notifying 
QuickBooks 2004 and Enterprise Solutions 4 customers about the upcoming 
changes, and you may receive questions from your customers. Once support 
for QuickBooks 2004 is discontinued, IDN will no longer provide 
developers with technical support for issues specific to QuickBooks 2004.
Learn more. 



fyi!

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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Gave up sex four years ago..wasnt too hard because there are no single women
out here in the boonies...
Never smoked...
I'm german, so beer with friends has been a lil harder 
Cut all expenses to the bone...

I can live on 250 per week...
500 per week and I think I've died and gone to heaven...

Used to make 2,700 per week
Damn I would think I was a millionaire if I hit that level again..

By the way, I WILL...! 


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Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I'm making the assumption that you're putting it on your card and 
> billing me when I get back on my feet because I havent seen 400 in I don't
know when...
> Hell, I havent seen 40 in a long time..
>
> Even had to give up beer..
> Been thinking about getting stephen to ship me a few thousand gallons 
> of homebrew 
>   

How the heck do you live, man?!??!??

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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[MB Software Solutions]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I'm making the assumption that you're putting it on your card and billing me
> when I get back on my feet because I havent seen 400 in I don't know when...
> Hell, I havent seen 40 in a long time..
>
> Even had to give up beer..
> Been thinking about getting stephen to ship me a few thousand gallons of
> homebrew 
>   

How the heck do you live, man?!??!??

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[NF] Competition fuel denied email address

[Michael Madigan]

Cablevision in NJ denied creating an email address of

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Why?



The word "tit" is in "compettition".  


Duh

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

Russell Peters Stand-Up comedy Part 3***http://tinyurl.com/yg38gc*


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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Yeah, I've often wondered how many good things would come on the market if
it hadnt been for the fact that some politicians biggest taxpayers would
have lost revenue with the new invention...

I mean after all. 
Think how much further along we would be if our engineers and scientists got
what we pay our jocks and musicians... 


Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:08 PM
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I think they all should refuse government funding.



--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To be honest, I sometimes wonder how many scientist's bow down to 
> politicians when the politician DEMANDS and say's, we're going to cut 
> your funding if you don't...
> 
> Now me, being kind of dumb sometimes, I'd tell them to kiss my ??? And 
> go live under a tree until I found the next project, but I imagine 
> they say yes master...
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Hal Kaplan
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:10 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
> 
> From Helio ...
> =>
> => Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a
> statement => protesting about
> political interference in the scientific process.
> =>
>
=> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm
> => 
> 
> That's impossible!  I don't think we have 10,000
> researchers who can read
> such a statement, let alone sign it.  They should do
> what Virgil suggested
> the other day: Vote those interfering political
> folks out of office post
> haste.
> 
> B+
> HALinNY
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

I think they all should refuse government funding.



--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To be honest, I sometimes wonder how many
> scientist's bow down to
> politicians when the politician DEMANDS and say's,
> we're going to cut your
> funding if you don't...
> 
> Now me, being kind of dumb sometimes, I'd tell them
> to kiss my ??? And go
> live under a tree until I found the next project,
> but I imagine they say yes
> master... 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Hal Kaplan
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:10 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
> 
> From Helio ...
> =>
> => Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a
> statement => protesting about
> political interference in the scientific process.
> =>
>
=> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm
> => 
> 
> That's impossible!  I don't think we have 10,000
> researchers who can read
> such a statement, let alone sign it.  They should do
> what Virgil suggested
> the other day: Vote those interfering political
> folks out of office post
> haste.
> 
> B+
> HALinNY
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] At least they didn't worship VB!

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [NF] At least they didn't worship VB!
=> 
=> On Dec 14, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> 
=> > I am sick of this python stuff.  Sick, do you hear me?  Sick!   
=> > Sick!  Sick!
=> >
=> > Sorry, I ... I don't know what came over me.
=> 
=>  It's because you have made the Python gods angry!!
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

Oh, dear.  Is that ... bad?  

I've been feeling rather constricted in my chest area for the past hour or so.  
Do you think the two incidents could be related?

Pythons be praised!

B+
HALinNY


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RE: [NF] MS Outlook Object Model

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [NF] MS Outlook Object Model
=> 
=> I am developing a Q&D utility to distribute our Global Address List
=> (GAL) to all our intelligent copiers so folks can scan stuff 
=> and e-mail it to themselves or anyone else in the company.
=> 
=> What I have found out is that I can read the GAL items 
=> individually but I have not been able to figure out how to 
=> get SMTP addresses.  My research indicates that there is a 
=> lot of data that is not exposed in the Outlook Object Model 
=> and apparently the list of e-mail addresses for each person 
=> is one of those data.
=> 
=> Does anyone have any experience with this?  Is my research 
=> accurate (about hidden data)?  Is there an alternative 
=> Object Model that I can use with VFP?  TIA for your help on this.
=> 
=> B+
=> HALinNY
=> 

Ted and Malcolm, thanks for responding.  You both pointed in the same direction 
and the stuff there looks to be excellent from a technical standpoint.  
Unfortunately there are some business issues (i.e. money) that need to be 
resolved before I can do anything there.  So I am going to keep looking for 
something else that I can use.

Thanks again!

B+
HALinNY


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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

To be honest, I sometimes wonder how many scientist's bow down to
politicians when the politician DEMANDS and say's, we're going to cut your
funding if you don't...

Now me, being kind of dumb sometimes, I'd tell them to kiss my ??? And go
live under a tree until I found the next project, but I imagine they say yes
master... 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Hal Kaplan
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:10 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

>From Helio ...
=>
=> Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement => protesting about
political interference in the scientific process.
=>
=> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm
=> 

That's impossible!  I don't think we have 10,000 researchers who can read
such a statement, let alone sign it.  They should do what Virgil suggested
the other day: Vote those interfering political folks out of office post
haste.

B+
HALinNY


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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Virgil - I know yer strapped, but why to wait to see 'how it comes out'
for someone else? Go Forth and Conquer - Get yer Empower ISV package today !
(Geez I sound like a cheerleader - where's the beer?)
---

Sure, my shipping address is:
331 Reeves Lane, P.O. Box 502
Harper, TX 78631

I'm making the assumption that you're putting it on your card and billing me
when I get back on my feet because I havent seen 400 in I don't know when...
Hell, I havent seen 40 in a long time..

Even had to give up beer..
Been thinking about getting stephen to ship me a few thousand gallons of
homebrew 
 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
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Subject: RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

Kevin -

ya - it's interesting, ah? I had complained to the Big Man (xKL) ages past
that it WASN'T there, and maybe he did something about it.

FWIW - the second that you have your partner ID (sent via email) , your
online account is SET for MSDN Subscription Downloads - so if you need
anything prior to the DVD's showing up, you can get it via DL.

The thing that bothers me currently is that the XP LOGO testing category
doesn't apply anymore for going through the testing process.  I'll have to
check and see if the 'Vista Logo' testing category will apply for the new
stuff for an upcoming article.

As for 'website announcement - hey - why not ? It can be yet another page on
cullytechnologies_dot_com, ya?

Virgil - I know yer strapped, but why to wait to see 'how it comes out'
for someone else? Go Forth and Conquer - Get yer Empower ISV package today !
(Geez I sound like a cheerleader - where's the beer?)

Also - Restudy the shareware marketing stuff from The Association of
Shareware Professionals, and if you DO have products ready to launch, use
that model AND affiliate marketing to drive sales.

All - Empower ISV program rocks - but the testing requirements changed up a
bit over the last 3 years.

Mondo Regards [Bill]
--
William Sanders / efGroup {rmv the DOT BOB to reply} VFP Webhosting? You
BET! -> http://efgroup.net/vfpwebhosting Failing dotNet Project? ->
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Re: [NF] At least they didn't worship VB!

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> I am sick of this python stuff.  Sick, do you hear me?  Sick!   
> Sick!  Sick!
>
> Sorry, I ... I don't know what came over me.

It's because you have made the Python gods angry!!

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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Hal Kaplan]

>From Helio ...
=> 
=> Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement 
=> protesting about political interference in the scientific process.
=> 
=> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm
=> 

That's impossible!  I don't think we have 10,000 researchers who can read such 
a statement, let alone sign it.  They should do what Virgil suggested the other 
day: Vote those interfering political folks out of office post haste.

B+
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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Whil
=> P.S. By the way, thanks for the CAPS. I don't know what I 
=> would do without THEM.
=> 

KAPS, Whil.  With a "K" ... as in KAP-lan.  Which reminds me, I also invented 
the LAN but in Poland it's pronounced WAN, so I guess I invented that too.  Now 
you know why KAP-LAN always picks up the TAB.

Footnote ...  ... HAH!

B+
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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[William Sanders / EFG]

Kevin -

ya - it's interesting, ah? I had complained to the Big Man (xKL) ages past
that it WASN'T there, and maybe he did something about it.

FWIW - the second that you have your partner ID (sent via email) , your
online account is SET for MSDN Subscription Downloads - so if you need
anything prior to the DVD's showing up, you can get it via DL.

The thing that bothers me currently is that the XP LOGO testing category
doesn't apply anymore for going through the testing process.  I'll have to
check and see if the 'Vista Logo' testing category will apply for the new
stuff for an upcoming article.

As for 'website announcement - hey - why not ? It can be yet another page
on cullytechnologies_dot_com, ya?

Virgil - I know yer strapped, but why to wait to see 'how it comes out'
for someone else? Go Forth and Conquer - Get yer Empower ISV package today
! (Geez I sound like a cheerleader - where's the beer?)

Also - Restudy the shareware marketing stuff from The Association of
Shareware Professionals, and if you DO have products ready to launch, use
that model AND affiliate marketing to drive sales.

All - Empower ISV program rocks - but the testing requirements changed up
a bit over the last 3 years.

Mondo Regards [Bill]
-- 
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RE: [NF] At least they didn't worship VB!

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [NF] At least they didn't worship VB!
=> 
=> "Pythons were probably the first idols to be worshipped by 
=> man, archaeologists said after unearthing evidence of a 
=> ritual dating back 70,000 years."
=> 
=> http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/12/
=> pythons_were_the_oldest_gods.php
=> 
=> ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/y7qfw7 )
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

Are we back to this a-gain?  Last week it was the oldest programming language.  
Today it's the oldest object of worship (I thought that was my former 
mother-in-law) and what next?  Python is the model for modern-day pasta?

Python this, python that. Order a burger ... would you like python with that?  
Buy something at the store ... paper or python?

I am sick of this python stuff.  Sick, do you hear me?  Sick!  Sick!  Sick!

Sorry, I ... I don't know what came over me.

B+
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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
> => Subject: [NF] Idiots are everywhere
> => 
> => 
> => "No, they're business applications."
> => 
> => You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same 
> => guy who invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.
> => 
> => Whil
> => 
> 
> And what about me?  Don't I rate a mention here?  I am the person who 
> invented the tab key to save you typing some spaces.  And why do you thing 
> THESE LARGE LETTERS are called Kaps? 

Just because one invented something doesn't mean that anyone uses it. 
Attempting the preposterous and lame use of tabs in lieu of spaces being 
an extremely spot-on example.

And the USPTO requires that an invention be USEFUL.

So, yes, you do warrant a mention, albeit in a footnote on page 427.

Whil
P.S. By the way, thanks for the CAPS. I don't know what I would do 
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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

john harvey wrote:
> Curses, foiled again!

Those are mine too. So you'd better get used to saying

"Curses (R), foiled again!"

Curses, Cursers, Cursos, and Cursors are all registered trademarks of 
the Hentzenvision Corporation, patented under the "We'll hire any idiot" 
full employment program begun at the USPTO many years ago.

And if you think you can dodge the bullet via wholescale search and 
replace of

SELECT * ... INTO CURSOR

by

SELECT * ... INTO ARRAY

why, I have a patent pending on arrays of all sorts. So the next time 
you want more money in your paycheck, you're gonna have to come calling 
on me as well as sucking up to your boss.

I swear I am not making this up...

Whil


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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Rodney Dixon wrote:

> Missed that discussion, what's a joiner field.

Them there is what us perfeshenalls call "linky-tinkies"


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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> P.S. My attorney will be filing a claim regardless your use of my
> classlesses invention, too.

Oh phooey. I guess I'll need to withdraw my claim. --- Oh, wait a  
minute -- Whew! I thought he wrote "cluelessness." My claim is safe!

Ken


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[NF] At least they didn't worship VB!

[Ed Leafe]

"Pythons were probably the first idols to be worshipped by man,  
archaeologists said after unearthing evidence of a ritual dating back  
70,000 years."

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/12/ 
pythons_were_the_oldest_gods.php

( -or- http://tinyurl.com/y7qfw7 )


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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

I wonder how they feel about Al Gore promoting bad
science.  I guess they're OK with that since it means
more money in their pockets.



--- "Helio W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  US scientists reject interference
> 
> Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement
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> 
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

 US scientists reject interference

Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement protesting about
political interference in the scientific process.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm


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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [NF] Idiots are everywhere
=> 
=> 
=> "No, they're business applications."
=> 
=> You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same 
=> guy who invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.
=> 
=> Whil
=> 

And what about me?  Don't I rate a mention here?  I am the person who invented 
the tab key to save you typing some spaces.  And why do you thing THESE LARGE 
LETTERS are called Kaps? 

B+
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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thanks Kevin. 

Original Message:
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From: Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:50:39 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!


Yes, and I believe that part of the requirement is that I announce the 
product (when it is ready) on the web site.  I don't have to sell it 
from the web site (I could sell it through another channel) but the 
announcement has to be there.

I wonder if you could create a blog on Foxite.com (Free!) and count that 
as your web site?

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Say, is it still required for the applying "partner" to have a website? 



mail2web - Check your email from the web at
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[OT] Maybe you cold be next?

[Stephen Russell]

Stephen Russell
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missiles and misguided men." 
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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

49.95
And he sold 1,000's, maybe 10's of thousands...
Gave him the money to start borland and that took some big bucks...
 


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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I have several commercial apps I want to sell using the pricing method 
> of philipe kahn of borland fame...
>   
Ok, I give up.  What was his pricing method?

--
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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I have several commercial apps I want to sell using the pricing method of
> philipe kahn of borland fame...
>   
Ok, I give up.  What was his pricing method?

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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Kevin Cully]

Yes, and I believe that part of the requirement is that I announce the 
product (when it is ready) on the web site.  I don't have to sell it 
from the web site (I could sell it through another channel) but the 
announcement has to be there.

I wonder if you could create a blog on Foxite.com (Free!) and count that 
as your web site?

Kevin Cully
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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RE: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Rick Schummer]

>>That sounds like something that will be handy in the future.  Where do I get 
>>it?<<

Sedna October Community Tech Preview (CTP, aka. pre-beta)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=808E96E1-3D87-421F-9BA5-4AAFE70C7B21&displa
ylang=en

But as I said, the Upsizing Wizard is very stable and reliable even at this 
stage.

Loading the Sedna components does not overwrite any of your VFP 9 install. The 
SP2 install does
affect the VFP 9 install, and is not required for the Sedna CTP components.


Rick
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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[john harvey]

It's a subclass of a jackalope.

John

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Missed that discussion, what's a joiner field.

Regards
Rodney

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [NF] Idiots are everywhere
> 
> So we're at the local user group meeting last Saturday, and I ask the
> group how many of them are programmers, and how many are admin-types.
> Some raise their hands at the first; others are the second.
[RED] 
[RED] 
> You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same guy who
> invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.
> 
> Whil
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[MB Software Solutions]

Vince Teachout wrote:
> These things save me hours of time doing repetitive, boring coding.  If 
> there's any interest, let me know and I'll e-mail code to whoever wants 
> it. If people STILL think it's useful after getting and trying the code, 
> let me know and I'll talk to Ed about putting it in the downloads section.
>
>   
How about posting them on the downloads site?http://leafe.com/dls/vfp

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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

The $400? 

Original Message:
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:35:13 -0600
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Subject: RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!


Not as long as you have the MUNEY.

John

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Hi Kevin. 

Promises, promises .

Say, is it still required for the applying "partner" to have a website? 

Original Message:
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From: Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:12:32 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!


Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it 
for certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$ 
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm 
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get 
yours TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
> perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped
working
> with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 




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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Rodney Dixon]

Missed that discussion, what's a joiner field.

Regards
Rodney

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> 
> So we're at the local user group meeting last Saturday, and I ask the
> group how many of them are programmers, and how many are admin-types.
> Some raise their hands at the first; others are the second.
[RED] 
[RED] 
> You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same guy who
> invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.
> 
> Whil
> 
> 
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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[john harvey]

Not as long as you have the MUNEY.

John

-Original Message-
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Hi Kevin. 

Promises, promises .

Say, is it still required for the applying "partner" to have a website? 

Original Message:
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From: Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:12:32 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!


Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it 
for certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$ 
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm 
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get 
yours TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
> perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped
working
> with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 



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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I have several commercial apps I want to sell using the pricing method of
philipe kahn of borland fame...
May have spelled his name wrong...

Just can't afford it yet, which is why I'm looking for partners on my web
site...
Have lots of things I want to do to make money..
Just need CASH..  


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Kevin Cully
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:13 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it for
certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get yours
TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower 
> ISV program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the 
> checkboxes and forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's 
> not a perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0"
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped 
> working with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and 
> I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 
> 



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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Kevin. 

Promises, promises .

Say, is it still required for the applying "partner" to have a website? 

Original Message:
-
From: Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:12:32 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!


Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it 
for certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$ 
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm 
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get 
yours TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
> perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped
working
> with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 



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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[john harvey]

I'd like to order 100 of those today, but first kind sir, I r the minister
of defiance in Myrobia and I have come into a vast some of muney. In order
for me to aget that muney, I need to have someone with a bank account in the
US, particularly the Atlanta area. Please, kind sir, it will only take
$5,000.00 to make this happen and you can have 10% of the proceeds of this
account.

Hoping to hear from you soon,

Johann

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Kevin Cully
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:13 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it 
for certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$ 
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm 
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get 
yours TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
> perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped
working
> with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 
> 



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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Kevin Cully]

Will do.

You do have to promise to create a commercial application and submit it 
for certification in the next year or so ... OR ... go for more M$ 
certification.  I have created a little VFP file backup utility that I'm 
going to bundle up and sell for the low, low price of $999.99.  Get 
yours TODAY!!!

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
> Let me know how it turns out..
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
> 
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
> perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
> (What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped working
> with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!
> 
> Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".
> 
> Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
> $401.25 the poorer.
> 
> 



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RE: [OT] Joke

[john harvey]

That's not a joke, it actually happened!

John

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Subject: [OT] Joke

During a terrible storm, all the highway signs were covered with snow. The
following spring, the state decided to raise all the signs twelve inches at
a cost of six million dollars. 
"That's an outrageous price!" said a local farmer, "but I guess we're lucky
the state handled it instead of the federal government." "Why's that?" 

"Because knowing the federal government, they'd decided to lower the
highways." 

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
 
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men." 
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ 

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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[john harvey]

Curses, foiled again!

John

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john harvey wrote:
> So what are you trying to say? Don't you use "joinerfields" like the rest
> of us. I've incorporated them into my latest version of the dwim() and
> intended() functions, which are really now what used to be called classes.
I
> have renamed them classlesses.

P.S. My attorney will be filing a claim regardless your use of my 
classlesses invention, too.

I have a piece of paper, done right with type-writing and carbon paper 
and everything, from the Patent Office recognizing my invention.

A whompin' big ol' claim, yessirree bob.

Whil


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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

john harvey wrote:
> So what are you trying to say? Don't you use "joinerfields" like the rest
> of us. I've incorporated them into my latest version of the dwim() and
> intended() functions, which are really now what used to be called classes. I
> have renamed them classlesses.

P.S. My attorney will be filing a claim regardless your use of my 
classlesses invention, too.

I have a piece of paper, done right with type-writing and carbon paper 
and everything, from the Patent Office recognizing my invention.

A whompin' big ol' claim, yessirree bob.

Whil


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Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

john harvey wrote:
> So what are you trying to say? Don't you use "joinerfields" like the rest

Of course I do.

But the bastard stole MY invention.

Whil


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RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I've been wanting to sign up for that too.
Let me know how it turns out..

Thanks, 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Kevin Cully
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:03 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV
program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and
forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?

Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not a
perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
(What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped working
with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!

Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".

Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm
$401.25 the poorer.


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CULLY Technologies, LLC

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Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Kevin Cully wrote:
> So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV 
> program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and 
> forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?
> 
> Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
> and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not 

Someone is going to get fired for this one.

VFP is usually included in the WinME and Bob offerings...

Whil


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[OT] Joke

[Stephen Russell]

During a terrible storm, all the highway signs were covered with snow. The
following spring, the state decided to raise all the signs twelve inches at
a cost of six million dollars. 
“That’s an outrageous price!” said a local farmer, “but I guess we’re lucky
the state handled it instead of the federal government.” “Why’s that?” 

“Because knowing the federal government, they’d decided to lower the
highways.” 

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
 
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men." 
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ 

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MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!

[Kevin Cully]

So, I'm trying to jump through the hoops to sign up for the Empower ISV 
program and my eyes are starting to bleed from all of the checkboxes and 
forms, but then ... what do we have here?!?

Under the "Which Microsoft products will your product offering support?" 
and under the "Database Products" is the choice for VFP!  Okay, it's not 
a perfect choice in that it is really "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 6.0" 
(What!  No 7.0, 8.0 or 9.0?!?!  This might explain why ODBC stopped 
working with features added after 6.0!) but I choose it anyway!  w00t!!!

Side note: VFP is NOT a choice under "Development Languages".

Well, I should hopefully get my Empower DVDs in about 3-4 weeks and I'm 
$401.25 the poorer.


-- 
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CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
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Re: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Vince Teachout]

Matthew Jarvis wrote:
> Vince Teachout wrote:
> 
>   
>> No, but the "God, this is boring - I wonder if I can automate this" 
>> function "MSSqlMe() I wrote about 4 years ago to rewrite VFP tables into 
>> MSSql tables is certainly coming in handy! :-D
>>
>> 
>
> Vince-
>
> That sounds like it could be handy - care to post the code?

I've been thinking about posting my ME() functions for some time:

SqlMe() - creates a SQL Select statement in the clipboard for the 
current WA, with several options
InsertMe() - Creates a Insert statement in the clipboard, with several 
options, and also creates the VALUES clause with a leading character 
that indicates what kind of data is expected.  Plus, bonus, it sounds 
naughty.
CurseMe() - creates a FILE containing a CREATE CURSOR statement for 
current WA, with lots of options
MySQLMe() - Creates a MySQL CREATE TABLE statement, etc...
MSSQLME() - Creates a MS SQL CREATE TABLE statement, and IIRC, creates 
the ALTER Table command for the Primary index, and the index commands 
for the other indexes
MyAccessMe()  - ditto for Access
ORASQLME() - ditto for Oracle
OraDate() converts a vfp date to Oracle TO_Date command for use in 
queries: e.g. OraDate(date()) =" To_Date('12/14/2006','MM/DD/')"
NvlSQLMe() - creates a SQL Select statement in clipboard with all fields 
NVL'd:  SELECT NVL(Spons_uid, '') AS Spons_uid... etc...
WaitGlass()  - turns hourglass cursor on/off

These things save me hours of time doing repetitive, boring coding.  If 
there's any interest, let me know and I'll e-mail code to whoever wants 
it. If people STILL think it's useful after getting and trying the code, 
let me know and I'll talk to Ed about putting it in the downloads section.



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RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere

[john harvey]

So what are you trying to say? Don't you use "joinerfields" like the rest
of us. I've incorporated them into my latest version of the dwim() and
intended() functions, which are really now what used to be called classes. I
have renamed them classlesses.

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So we're at the local user group meeting last Saturday, and I ask the
group how many of them are programmers, and how many are admin-types.
Some raise their hands at the first; others are the second.

Then I ask how many are developing Web apps vs fat-client apps. I'm
quickly corrected by one politically correct individual that the proper
term is 'rich-client', not 'fat-client'. OK, I stand corrected.

How many are developing Web apps? Some raise their hands.

How many of you are developing rich-client - you know, desktop - apps.
Others raise their hands.

One fellow then says, "What about me? I don't do any of those."

Oh, you do embedded apps?

No, I do business applications. Inventory, accounting, payroll, that
sort of thing.

"So those would be desktop or rich-client apps."

"No, they're business applications."

You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same guy who
invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.

Whil



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Re: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Vince Teachout]

Rick Schummer wrote:
> Vince, 
>
> If you are not reengineering the database model 
Condition false, fall through to next line.  :-)

> then you need to consider the Sedna Upsizing Wizard.
>
> This is not the old wizard warmed over for Sedna. This is a usable tool.
That sounds like something that will be handy in the future.  Where do I 
get it?


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[NF] Idiots are everywhere

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

So we're at the local user group meeting last Saturday, and I ask the
group how many of them are programmers, and how many are admin-types.
Some raise their hands at the first; others are the second.

Then I ask how many are developing Web apps vs fat-client apps. I'm
quickly corrected by one politically correct individual that the proper
term is 'rich-client', not 'fat-client'. OK, I stand corrected.

How many are developing Web apps? Some raise their hands.

How many of you are developing rich-client - you know, desktop - apps.
Others raise their hands.

One fellow then says, "What about me? I don't do any of those."

Oh, you do embedded apps?

No, I do business applications. Inventory, accounting, payroll, that
sort of thing.

"So those would be desktop or rich-client apps."

"No, they're business applications."

You will not be surprised to find out that this was the same guy who
invented the concept of "joiner fields" a few years ago.

Whil



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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Yeah, and we'll all be flipping burgers by then... 


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Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

Eventually it will be too expensive to program in india, and they will be
opening up offices in the US.



--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope..
> What happens when you have a fixed amount of water is when the water 
> is rising in another part of the world, it is going down in the 
> original part.
> 
> Now take the water out of the equation and put in dollars..
> 
> What I see happening is their living standard will go up (which is 
> good) and ours will go down until they are all at about the same 
> level, which ultimately will be a lower standard of living then we 
> have now.
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:54 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
> 
> That's exactly right!  A rising tide floats all ships.
> 
> > I'm a believer in growing the entire pie rather
> than thinking that the
> > pie is a fixed size, and that if a slice goes to
> India there is
> > necessarily that much less for Americans. There
> are bumps in the road
> > but I think they're smoothing out.
> > 
> > Kristyne McDaniel
> > www.mcstyles.com
> > www.shamrocktrails.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
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RE: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Formlength is not set to 60 lines ON THE PRINTER 


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Subject: [NF] Excel custom form question

Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form size
(don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every print
slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the 4th or
5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel but
apparently it didn't work as he expected.

Ideas?

Thanks!
--Michael

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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Michael Madigan]

Eventually it will be too expensive to program in
india, and they will be opening up offices in the US.



--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope..
> What happens when you have a fixed amount of water
> is when the water is
> rising in another part of the world, it is going
> down in the original part.
> 
> Now take the water out of the equation and put in
> dollars..
> 
> What I see happening is their living standard will
> go up (which is good) and
> ours will go down until they are all at about the
> same level, which
> ultimately will be a lower standard of living then
> we have now. 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:54 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers
> at Work
> 
> That's exactly right!  A rising tide floats all
> ships.
> 
> > I'm a believer in growing the entire pie rather
> than thinking that the 
> > pie is a fixed size, and that if a slice goes to
> India there is 
> > necessarily that much less for Americans. There
> are bumps in the road 
> > but I think they're smoothing out.
> > 
> > Kristyne McDaniel
> > www.mcstyles.com
> > www.shamrocktrails.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Yes, that's what they said about Hitler.  He was just
using rhetoric.


--- "Helio W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That nut in Iran could be just a politician vomiting
> through the media what
> his local audience wants to hear.  If he is serious
> (a possibility as
> fundamentalists are retards), I hope his own people
> will "neutralize" him.
> If not, I believe there's always cleaner ways to
> erradicate psychos than
> using nukes on innocent people like some
> fundamentalists on the other side
> of the spectrum always keep asking for.
> 
> I also believe Madagain and Pete from now on will
> start talking to you very
> suspiciously... LOL
> 
> 
> On 12/13/06, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've worked with some very good muslim people..
> > Some as recently as last year..
> >
> > Never said muslim people.
> > Muslim extremists...
> > Muslim people even appear to fear them.
> >
> > You must watch even less news then I do if you
> havent heard the madman
> > from
> > iran saying that israel will soon be gone..
> > Who do you think is next in line after them ?
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
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RE: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Lou Syracuse]

My all time favorite:

I received a call from our company receptionist, her keyboard was beeping.
Not the computer, not the speakers, the keyboard.   I purchased the systems,
so I knew our keyboards didn't have speakers.  So I go upstairs and sure
enough there is a beeping sound coming from under Carolyn's keyboard.

I opened her desk drawer and handed her the pager that was going off.



Ted Roche wrote:
> Well, ya know, I'd hate to miss the obvious solution. I'm embarrassed 
> to admit how many of my troubleshooting sessions could have been 
> shortened with (1) is it plugged it? (2) is it turned on? (3) is the 
> little green LED on the front on?
Or, my own personal favorite, "Is the keyboard I'm typing on actually
connected to the machine I think it is?"

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RE: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released
=> 
=> On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
=> 
=> > What guidance are folks providing their clients when there 
=> have been 
=> > three Zero-Day Exploits in three weeks?
=> 
=>  Um... the worst is over, and it'll be clear sailing ahead?
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

How about ... When rape is imminent, sit back and enjoy it?

B+
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RE: [NF] Why move to vista?

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [NF] Why move to vista?
=> 
=> http://www.ubersoft.net/comics/hd20061213.png
=> 
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

Oh, if only that comment about accepting mediocrity had any meaning to a CSR or 
his supervisor.
  
Oh, if only the customers would not call with such dumb questions.

B+
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RE: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [NF] Excel custom form question
=> 
=> 
=>    Might be the Oki is "printing" the last CR of the page, 
=> giving one extra line.  Try reducing the form size by 1 line ...
=> 
=> -- 
=> 
=>    ..bobp

If that were the case it would not take 4 or 5 pages to be noticibly off.  
Especially on a preprinted form.

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RE: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [NF] Excel custom form question
=> 
=> Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
=> Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a 
=> custom form size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said 
=> it's "jumping" every print slightly, and eventually gets out 
=> of alignment (vertically) by the 4th or 5th print?  I 
=> believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel but 
=> apparently it didn't work as he expected.
=> 
=> Ideas?
=> 
=> Thanks!
=> --Michael
=> 

I have lots of ideas because I do this all the time but I don't know where to 
begin.  For me it's one of those things that I know so well, I can't explain 
how to do it.

Printer creep should never occur unless you are printing continuously (no form 
feeds) or the page size is not set right on the printer.

Excel will change it's print metrics ever so slightly for different printers 
and even the same printer if you switch the printer from draft mode to 
high-quality mode.  It will also change things if you alter the font size on 
the display control panel applet.

There are so many variables involved.  Ask me some questions ... maybe my 
answers will help.

B+
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Re: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Bob Patterson]

   Might be the Oki is "printing" the last CR of the page, giving
one extra line.  Try reducing the form size by 1 line ...

-- 
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  ---orig.- 
 On Thursday 14 December 2006 11:11, MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.
> Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form
> size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every
> print slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the
> 4th or 5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel
> but apparently it didn't work as he expected.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> --Michael



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RE: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Dave Crozier]

Michael,
Sounds to me like the custom formsize is slightly larger than the page size
set up on the printer as it must be slightly smaller or exactly the same.
 
1. Make sure the "skip top of form" setting is set to NO in the hardware
Printer setup (Shift and Menu whilst offline to enter setup menu)

2. Ensure that the custom pagesize in excel is smaller than the papersize in
the printer (again you can set this up on the printer)

3. Adjust the "microfeed" setting on the printer frontpanel so that
consecutive manua PageFeeds are EXACTLY aligned to top of form.

Dave Crozier

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Sent: 14 December 2006 16:12
To: Profox
Subject: [NF] Excel custom form question

Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form 
size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every 
print slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the 
4th or 5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel 
but apparently it didn't work as he expected.

Ideas?

Thanks!
--Michael

-- 
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Re: [NF] Excel custom form question

[Jean Laeremans]

On 12/14/06, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For all you grammar hawks, I suppose it should be "whose" instead of
> "who's."   ;-)
dear, oh dear..ROFL

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Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Assuming ya'll are right and I'm not disputing that.
> How do you know that open office doesn’t have just as many holes in  
> it..

Yeah, that's probably true. If there were such exploits, we all know  
that Microsoft would keep really, really quiet about it, so as not to  
make their competition look bad.  LOL!

This is the company, you know, that tried to say that Linux had more  
vulnerabilities than Windows by adding up the reported  
vulnerabilities of every distro, even if they had nothing to do with  
the Linux OS itself! E.g., if there was an app called 'dummy' that  
was included in 20 different Linux distros, and someone found a  
buffer overrun problem in it, it would be reported to all 20 sites,  
and Microsoft would count that as 20 vulnerabilities in Linux! Even  
though it was an app, not the OS!

Yeah, you're right. Microsoft would never go out of their way to  
make the competition look bad.

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RE: [NF] Excel custom form question

[henry.dagher]

No, I believe it's who's  (who has)

You wuz right, Michael! ;-))

Henry



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Sent: 2006-12-14 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Excel custom form question


For all you grammar hawks, I suppose it should be "whose" instead of 
"who's."   ;-)


MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
> Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form 
> size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every 
> print slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the 
> 4th or 5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel 
> but apparently it didn't work as he expected.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> --Michael
>
>   


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Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Assuming ya'll are right and I'm not disputing that.
> How do you know that open office doesn’t have just as many holes in it..

First of all, the architectures are different. It's more difficult to 
exploit a weakness in OOo because of the way it's built. Word (and 
Office) was designed from the ground up to be promiscuous back before 
there were viruses, and MSFT has had too much of an investment to change 
that architecture.

Second, it might.

Name one. 

I'm being pragmatic here. Just as if you're a frequent traveler, you 
learn which flights to avoid because they have a history of being late, 
and you're more likely to be delayed on those flights. That doesn't mean 
that the flight you DO choose won't be late; just that the chances are less.

Same here. No guarantee that OOo won't be affected, but given that 
there hasn't EVER been even a minor virus spread by an OOo exploit, 
that's the flight I'm taking.

> Right now microsoft is targeted because they're the biggest kid on the
> block, but we all know how people (companies, hackers, etc.) like to target
> the king of the mountain.
> Who's to say that if microsoft wasn’t around, it wouldn’t be the companies
> that ya'll like that wouldn’t be accused of all these problems ?

Being accused and being guilty are two different things.

Yes, if OOo had an 80% market share, I'm sure it would be a more 
tempting target. I'd still feel more comfortable with it, though.

IIS and Apache have roughly similar market shares. But IIS has been the 
source of numerous security problems over the years. Name one major 
outbreak that's been the result of an Apache flaw.

The Open Source model - many eyes, shallow bugs - just works better than 
where the code is hidden and security by obscurity is the preferred 
practice.

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RE: [OT] Must be true

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: [OT] Must be true
=> 
=> 
=> 
=> hahahaha
=> 
=> Stephen Russell

There is an old saying about how a herring will shine in the moonlight but it 
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Re: [NF] Excel custom form question

[MB Software Solutions]

For all you grammar hawks, I suppose it should be "whose" instead of 
"who's."   ;-)


MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
> Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form 
> size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every 
> print slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the 
> 4th or 5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel 
> but apparently it didn't work as he expected.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> --Michael
>
>   


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[NF] Excel custom form question

[MB Software Solutions]

Got a colleague who's got a client with an Excel printing problem.  
Client has a Oki Microline 591 24-pin printer.  Form is a custom form 
size (don't have dimensions at hand) but he said it's "jumping" every 
print slightly, and eventually gets out of alignment (vertically) by the 
4th or 5th print?  I believe he had set the custom size setting in Excel 
but apparently it didn't work as he expected.

Ideas?

Thanks!
--Michael

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RE: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Tristan Leask]

ROFL!  I completely misread the title on this one!

Third World Exploit released!

Really!??  OMG!


Tristan


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RE: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Assuming ya'll are right and I'm not disputing that.
How do you know that open office doesn’t have just as many holes in it..

Right now microsoft is targeted because they're the biggest kid on the
block, but we all know how people (companies, hackers, etc.) like to target
the king of the mountain.
Who's to say that if microsoft wasn’t around, it wouldn’t be the companies
that ya'll like that wouldn’t be accused of all these problems ?
 


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Subject: Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

Ted Roche wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/redirect?source=rss&url=http://www.in
> foworld.com/article/06/12/13/HNthirdword_1.html
> 
> or
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/y6xdv5
> 
> What guidance are folks providing their clients when there have been 
> three Zero-Day Exploits in three weeks?

Other than asking them why they are running software that, six years after a
rash of Word-related viruses, is still subject to holes like this that MSFT
denies, then downplays, then admits that they'll get around to fixing when
it's convenient for them when there are plenty of good alternatives out
there

It's their money; if they want to spend it on fixing things that didn't have
to be broken, that's their decision. I can't make the horse drink after I've
pointed out the water to them.

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Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Peter Cushing]

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> I can't make the horse drink 
> after I've pointed out the water to them.
>   
What if the horse prefers beer?  Can it come round to yours? ;-)

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Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

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Ted Roche wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/redirect?source=rss&url=http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/12/13/HNthirdword_1.html
> 
> or
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/y6xdv5
> 
> What guidance are folks providing their clients when there have been
> three Zero-Day Exploits in three weeks?

Other than asking them why they are running software that, six years 
after a rash of Word-related viruses, is still subject to holes like 
this that MSFT denies, then downplays, then admits that they'll get 
around to fixing when it's convenient for them when there are plenty 
of good alternatives out there

It's their money; if they want to spend it on fixing things that didn't 
have to be broken, that's their decision. I can't make the horse drink 
after I've pointed out the water to them.

Whil




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Re: [NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

> What guidance are folks providing their clients when there have been
> three Zero-Day Exploits in three weeks?

Um... the worst is over, and it'll be clear sailing ahead?

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[NF] Third Word Exploit released

[Ted Roche]

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/redirect?source=rss&url=http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/12/13/HNthirdword_1.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/y6xdv5

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three Zero-Day Exploits in three weeks?

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ted Roche]

On 12/12/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as
> >> a starting point.  Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a
> >> database for Hosted Servers frequently.
> >

I don't know how many you think you need, but there's a list on the
PostgreSQL site:

www.postgresql.org/support/professional_hosting

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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Charlie Coleman]

At 09:26 PM 12/12/2006 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote:

Steven, have you been drinking heavily this morning?

>Eugene Vital <> wrote:
>
> > Actually if you Google it you find quite a few.
>
>What?  http://tinyurl.com/ynctz5  shows 0 hosts.
>
>So what are you goggling with?

Googling with non-MS browser. You should try it.

Also, since PostgreSQL is not a 'server' it's a 'database', you'd probably 
want to change your search phrase a little bit. I did "Hosted PostgreSQL" 
and got over 1 million hits. I then tried your phrase "hosted server 
postgresql" and got 795,000 hits. I then did a "website offer hosted 
postgresql" and got 148,000 hits.



> > quantity <> quality.
> >
> > I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT
>
>Few if any.  I know of two people who started their own server farms back in
>the mid 90's and never got money from M$ in all those years.
>
>So your saying that MySQL quality sucks because it's everywhere?

No, he's saying MS SQL Server sucks (I gotta agree with that). From a 
'noise' standpoint, MS makes it 'sound' like it's everywhere.

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[NF] Basic Tips for Linux Programming

[Ted Roche]

An interesting compare/contrast of Windows programming v. Linux programming:

http://hari.literaryforums.org/2006/12/11/basic-tips-for-linux-programming/

http://tinyurl.com/y2er93

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[NF] : Today's Webcast: Software as a Service

[Stephen Russell]

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> 
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> 
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>   infrastructure to improve performance and scalability.
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> Pass this email along to your colleagues!
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Re: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Matthew Jarvis]

Vince Teachout wrote:

> 
> No, but the "God, this is boring - I wonder if I can automate this" 
> function "MSSqlMe() I wrote about 4 years ago to rewrite VFP tables into 
> MSSql tables is certainly coming in handy! :-D
> 

Vince-

That sounds like it could be handy - care to post the code?

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RE: [NF] Anyway to discover/reset MSSQL UID and PW?

[Rick Schummer]

Vince, 

If you are not reengineering the database model then you need to consider the 
Sedna Upsizing Wizard.
I have used it numerous times in testing and it has worked every time. I am 
talking about migrating
structures *and* data to SQL Server 2000 and 2005. You can run the wizard or 
you can
programmatically control the engine (especially useful if you have to migrate 
the same database
numerous times - think vertical market app). 

This is not the old wizard warmed over for Sedna. This is a usable tool.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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586.254.2539 - fax
  


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Ted Roche wrote:
> On 12/13/06, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> In this case, it was for a support call for an existing client, so 
>> time was of the essence.  However, it turns out that for MY branch of 
>> the project, no one has ever actually done the SQL version, so I "get" to do
>> exactly what you said - create it from scratch.   By New Year's.  Ho ho HO!
>>
>> 
>
> Ouch. I guess the Upsizing Wizard won't help out here, eh?
>   
No, but the "God, this is boring - I wonder if I can automate this" 
function "MSSqlMe() I wrote about 4 years ago to rewrite VFP tables into MSSql 
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RE: Seasons Greeting and farewell (for now)

[Tristan Leask]

Have a good un.  Remember the internet is everywhere so you have no
excuse not to check your emails!

Tristan

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Hi all,
I'm off for my annual villagiatura in warmer climes -
see y'all in February

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RE: Seasons Greeting and farewell (for now)

[Adam Buckland]

Not if you're from Bradford it isn't. 

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Have a good break.

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Re: Seasons Greeting and farewell (for now)

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Andy Davies wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm off for my annual villagiatura in warmer climes -
> see y'all in February
>   
As the Monty Python film goes:  "You lucky, lucky b*stard" :-)

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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Stephen the Cook]

Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> That's exactly right!  A rising tide floats all ships.

Screws may still need to be removed though.  :)

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

That nut in Iran could be just a politician vomiting through the media what
his local audience wants to hear.  If he is serious (a possibility as
fundamentalists are retards), I hope his own people will "neutralize" him.
If not, I believe there's always cleaner ways to erradicate psychos than
using nukes on innocent people like some fundamentalists on the other side
of the spectrum always keep asking for.

I also believe Madagain and Pete from now on will start talking to you very
suspiciously... LOL


On 12/13/06, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've worked with some very good muslim people..
> Some as recently as last year..
>
> Never said muslim people.
> Muslim extremists...
> Muslim people even appear to fear them.
>
> You must watch even less news then I do if you havent heard the madman
> from
> iran saying that israel will soon be gone..
> Who do you think is next in line after them ?
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
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Re: Seasons Greeting and farewell (for now)

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RE: Seasons Greeting and farewell (for now)

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Andy,
Take the wireless webcam with you then we can all experience the good
weather. 

Have a good time and don't drink too little!

Dave Crozier


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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Nope..
What happens when you have a fixed amount of water is when the water is
rising in another part of the world, it is going down in the original part.

Now take the water out of the equation and put in dollars..

What I see happening is their living standard will go up (which is good) and
ours will go down until they are all at about the same level, which
ultimately will be a lower standard of living then we have now. 


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That's exactly right!  A rising tide floats all ships.

> I'm a believer in growing the entire pie rather than thinking that the 
> pie is a fixed size, and that if a slice goes to India there is 
> necessarily that much less for Americans. There are bumps in the road 
> but I think they're smoothing out.
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RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I thought things were better too.
BUT I've received lots of emails from others who cannot find work.
I've rewritten my resume at least several hundered times, stopping short at
lying, but I'm beginning to believe that’s what its going to take to get me
back to work.

I have identified the specific cause why I havent been able to find work,
but not a way around it..
When I left high school and chose the military instead of college.

It has been proven to me time and time again lately that if I don't have a
degree on my resume, I don't even get past the HR dept.
Another problem with my specific situation is that I have allways been a
contractor and I have worked a lot of 90 day contracts in a 30 year period..

I had one guy hiring contractors ask me, why havent you ever stayed at one
contract very long. I guess he doesn’t understand that contractors are a
temporary fix.

Another problem seems to be that the contracting agencies will no longer
present people if they don't live in the area which is new to me.
I guess they forgot that us traveling data ho's were the one's that helped
them to build their businesses.

Oh well, I'm not going to cry about it.
Just going to figure out a way to bring money in some other way. 


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Virgil,

> Here's to hoping it never happens to you and I'd drink to it, but the 
> cupboard is bare, for now 

My own job at EDS was recently outsourced to India. However, there are still
plenty of jobs and a lot of work in the area. I haven't replaced all of my
former income yet but I think I will soon. The market really isn't all that
bad for programmers.

I'm a believer in growing the entire pie rather than thinking that the pie
is a fixed size, and that if a slice goes to India there is necessarily that
much less for Americans. There are bumps in the road but I think they're
smoothing out.

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