Re: [NF] the end of Symantec?

[Alan Bourke]

That POS was written in VB and was a hog. If this new one is as light on
the system as the article suggests it might actually be OK.

If nothing else it will prompt a lot of price slashing and freebie
releases from the AV vendors.
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Re: [NF] the end of Symantec?

[Alan Bourke]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:20 +0100, "Alan Bourke" 
wrote:
> That POS was written in VB and was a hog. 


When I say that, I mean the old MS AntiSpyware, I wasn't clear there.
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Re: Tables Disappearing on Vista

[Michael Madigan]

I always shut off network scanning on all the clients

I have seen some stupid-ass weird crap on Vista and it makes me very angry 
because you look like an idiot in front of the client.  

1.  Check op/locs
2.  check anti-virus/anti-spyware
3.  check permissions
4.  check trusted site crap, Vista makes you jump through hoops of fire
5.  turn caching off on server.

I've also seen crazy stuff when the disk is nearly full and disk caching can't 
write to disk.





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> Subject: Re: Tables Disappearing on Vista
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 4:05 PM
> Jeff Johnson wrote:
> > Yesterday all three files of the dbc disappeared and
> today a table and
> > the cdx disappeared.  I have seen virus scans
> delete one but not all of
> > them.  There are 20 folders with identical tables
> and this is only
> > happening in one of them.
> 
> 
> We always configure the A/V programs to ignore the app's
> folder and data
> folder.
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Re: Tables Disappearing on Vista

[Michael Madigan]

here's something

http://www.webmasterworld.com/microsoft_windows_os/3539786.htm

vista file virtualization is the likely cause of this problem...

Software that is not vista UAC aware may save data to the program files 
directory. In this case, vista will permit the operation to proceed but the 
data will, in reality, be saved in a virtual folder.

Some areas of the registry are protected in a similar manner.

All such software should be run with administrator privileges if problems (such 
as this) occur.

Kaled. 

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VFP tip o' the day

[Richard Kaye]

Have you ever been working on prototyping some code in a prg and want to debug 
it? But if you haven't actually saved a file on disk, you can't set breakpoints 
(at least at a specific line of code). However, if you develop with ASSERTS ON, 
you can drop an ASSERT .f. in before the line of code you want to debug and 
voila! No need to actually save the file first. This also works quite nicely 
when you have selected a block of code and use the execute selection option 
from the right click menu. Just put that ASSERT at the top of the block you 
want to debug.

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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

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Give Gadwin PrintScreen a look.  They have a free version that works for me
and Pro version with a few extra options. The program is easy to control and
triggered by the Prnt Scrn key. You can download it at
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/ 

Jim

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Subject: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

I am looking for an OpenSource or FreeWare or ShareWare alternative to 
SnagIt 5.0.

I want a Screen Capture tool that can scroll -- as does the updated 
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Re: Tables Disappearing on Vista

[Stephen Russell]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Jeff Johnson  wrote:

> Yesterday all three files of the dbc disappeared and today a table and
> the cdx disappeared.  I have seen virus scans delete one but not all of
> them.  There are 20 folders with identical tables and this is only
> happening in one of them.
> -


Do you have code that will remove files in the app?

Is this a new installed site or one that has been using the app for a long
time and is upgrading?

Is this app normally run from a local workstation and now pointing to server
for .exe as well as data?

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Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Bob Calco wrote:
>
> Obama is without a doubt a budding dictator, but ultimately a poster child
> for bigger forces at work, as dictators typically are. 
>   

Please Bob, so that we speak the same language. What is your definition 
of "Dictator"?



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Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly

[Ricardo Aráoz]

John wrote:
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>
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>   
Shit! And you people gave this lad a gun and a shield? No wonder you are 
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Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly

[Michael Oke, II]

Please explain to me what ratings have to do with whether or not he is 
being worshiped by the masses?


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Geoff wrote:
> you've actually had presidents with higher ratings. you are just trying to
> convince yourself of something that is manifestly false.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
>> We've never had a president worshiped like this before.
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> 63% approval amongst Ds, 43 Rs? I think Clinton and Eisenhower both did 
> better.
> 
> What about FDR, Teddy R? My own personal favorite, Truman. Truman was 
> *nobody's* chicken, that's for sure.
> 
> This is not to even mention Kennedy, especially after the mob paid him back.
> 
>>> Well, I am not a priest or a preacher, although I briefly
>>> attended 
>>> seminary in my youth and studied theology extensively there
>>> and 
>>> afterward. However, I think the anti-Christ will be a lot
>>> worse than 
>>> this guy. He is just a personable, hip rather inexperienced
>>> kid D 
>>> politician.
>>>
>>> As he matures he may even become an R. Anti-Christ? Nah.

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Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Peter Cushing]

Gilbert M. Hale wrote:
> Greetings!
>
>  
>
> For anyone interested in virtualization for running multiple concurrent
> machines on a host system, this is for you!  Anyone else is invited to read
> and store the info for later.  I am hoping to fend off grief for folks
> seeking virtual Nirvana.
>
> 
>   

Very interesting Gil,

We've been doing a bit of virtualisation here.  Well actually my boss 
has been doing most of it and I've just stood there looking interested :-)

We liked the idea of being independent of the hardware so that if it 
fails we can get up and running very quickly.  We have virtualised a few 
servers using Vmware including my back office VFP app which prints and 
emails jobs all day.  We don't think that ESXi is the way to go for us 
as the hardware has to be a lot more specific to be able to run that 
OS.  We want to be able to run the VM stuff on any half decent machine 
and be up and running quickly.  You were saying you got lucky with your 
hardware but we don't want to take any chances.  My boss also thinks the 
extra complexity of handling the OS layer makes it more difficult to 
support in a small IT department like ours.

Cheers

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VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

[Jack Skelley]

Good Afternoon All:
How do you disable a row in a grid when the record in the recordsource has been 
marked for deletion. I want the item to show but not allow it fo be selected.
I have tried lots of ways but none of them seem to work. Thanks!
Regards,

Jack Skelley
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RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

[Rick Schummer]

>> How do you disable a row in a grid when the record in the recordsource
has been marked for deletion. I want the item to show but not allow it fo be
selected.<<

You can use DynamicCurrentControl to swap out controls, one enable and one
disabled. Use the Deleted() state to toggle which controls are displayed.

Rick
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RE: Tables Disappearing on Vista

[Rick Schummer]

>>vista file virtualization is the likely cause of this problem...<<

How? Vista virtualization is on the workstation and Jeff's customer's data
is on the server.

Complete FUD.

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RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

[Jack Skelley]

Rick:
Thanks...I looked at that and had it call a method but it still allowed the 
user to click the deleted record.
I currently am using the dynamicforecolor to change the color based on the 
record state. I currently tell the user it can't be selected.
What I really wanted was the user not to be able to select the row.
I guess this is ok for now.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Regards,

Jack



From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Schummer [pro...@whitelightcomputing.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:58 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

>> How do you disable a row in a grid when the record in the recordsource
has been marked for deletion. I want the item to show but not allow it fo be
selected.<<

You can use DynamicCurrentControl to swap out controls, one enable and one
disabled. Use the Deleted() state to toggle which controls are displayed.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

[Enzer, Charles (enzerch)]

Dear Jim:

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I can't figure out how to use PrintScreen to Capture Scrolled portions of the 
selected window.  That is, how to capture more than a screen full of material.

Please let me know.

Charles

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Jim Felton [jfelt...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Give Gadwin PrintScreen a look.  They have a free version that works for me
and Pro version with a few extra options. The program is easy to control and
triggered by the Prnt Scrn key. You can download it at
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/

Jim

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:11 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

I am looking for an OpenSource or FreeWare or ShareWare alternative to
SnagIt 5.0.

I want a Screen Capture tool that can scroll -- as does the updated
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RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

[Richard Kaye]

How about something in the AfterRowColChange method to detect the deleted state 
and put in the appropriate movement? If the user clicks on the deleted record, 
the record pointer gets moved to the next row (assuming there is one).

rk


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
Behalf Of Jack Skelley
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:12 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

Rick:
Thanks...I looked at that and had it call a method but it still allowed the 
user to click the deleted record.
I currently am using the dynamicforecolor to change the color based on the 
record state. I currently tell the user it can't be selected.
What I really wanted was the user not to be able to select the row.
I guess this is ok for now.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Regards,

Jack


From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Schummer [pro...@whitelightcomputing.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:58 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

>> How do you disable a row in a grid when the record in the recordsource
has been marked for deletion. I want the item to show but not allow it fo be
selected.<<

You can use DynamicCurrentControl to swap out controls, one enable and one
disabled. Use the Deleted() state to toggle which controls are displayed.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.swfox.net
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RE: VFP9 SP2: How to disbale a row in a grid

[Eurico Chagas Filho]

Hi

Well I always use the WHEN method these things...

return !deleted()

HTH, E. 


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Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Stephen Russell]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Cushing <
pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> wrote:

>
> Gilbert M. Hale wrote:
> > Greetings!
> >
> >
> >
> > For anyone interested in virtualization for running multiple concurrent
> > machines on a host system, this is for you!  Anyone else is invited to
> read
> > and store the info for later.  I am hoping to fend off grief for folks
> > seeking virtual Nirvana.
> >
> > 
> >
>
> Very interesting Gil,
>
> We've been doing a bit of virtualisation here.  Well actually my boss
> has been doing most of it and I've just stood there looking interested :-)
>
> We liked the idea of being independent of the hardware so that if it
> fails we can get up and running very quickly.  We have virtualised a few
> servers using Vmware including my back office VFP app which prints and
> emails jobs all day.  We don't think that ESXi is the way to go for us
> as the hardware has to be a lot more specific to be able to run that
> OS.  We want to be able to run the VM stuff on any half decent machine
> and be up and running quickly.  You were saying you got lucky with your
> hardware but we don't want to take any chances.  My boss also thinks the
> extra complexity of handling the OS layer makes it more difficult to
> support in a small IT department like ours.
> --


We are going to look into virtualization as well.  Costs are so high that we
probably won't do it.  Looking at taking SS for a variety of clients and
putting small ones on a virtual machine instead of the little mini servers
we have for each one.

Takes 8 underused boxes into one Mega server, 16 cpu 32 gig ram to start
maybe jacked up to 64 gig?

All data will be stored on a SAN or a killer raid that is fiber connected.


The high end VMWare is costly but it allows us to really get the control
between the virtual machines with respect to SQL Server.  Putting dbs int
2008 all us to throttle various process and back off on the little stuff
like log shipping.

Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new device?
-- 
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
SQL Server DBA
Web and Winform Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN

901.246-0159


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Re: [OT] How hard is it to be a Christian?

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> Tuesday (6/16): “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”
> 
> Scripture: Matthew 5:43-48
> 
> 43 "You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and
> hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for
> those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who
> is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good,
> and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those
> who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do
> the same? 47 And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you
> doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You,
> therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
> 
> Yesterdays reading was Matthew 5:38-42
> But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the
> other also
> 
> I heard a great meditation on that passage some time ago.

Hi Stephen!

You sent this email some time ago. 6-16-9 at 10:17 AM. Getting it now 6 
-19-9 at 2:15 AM.

I am seeing some of my emails take a LONG time to be delivered as well. 
The richies are starting to cheat on service.
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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

[Jim Felton]

Charles, I don't think you can do that with the free version.  There may be
an option in the pro version be I doubt it.  I didn't think about the scroll
when I suggested Gadwin. Sorry if I sent you on a wild goose chase. Good
luck with your search.

Jim

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Of Enzer, Charles (enzerch)
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:58 PM
To: profox@leafe.com; profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Dear Jim:

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I can't figure out how to use PrintScreen to Capture Scrolled portions of
the selected window.  That is, how to capture more than a screen full of
material.

Please let me know.

Charles

From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Felton [jfelt...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Give Gadwin PrintScreen a look.  They have a free version that works for me
and Pro version with a few extra options. The program is easy to control and
triggered by the Prnt Scrn key. You can download it at
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/

Jim

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Of Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:11 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

I am looking for an OpenSource or FreeWare or ShareWare alternative to
SnagIt 5.0.

I want a Screen Capture tool that can scroll -- as does the updated
version of SnagIt


-- *Charles *--
Website: *http://homepages.uc.edu/
~enzerch
*

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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

[John]

Snagit does this in the full version, or trial.

John Harvey

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Of Jim Felton
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:39 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Charles, I don't think you can do that with the free version.  There may be
an option in the pro version be I doubt it.  I didn't think about the scroll
when I suggested Gadwin. Sorry if I sent you on a wild goose chase. Good
luck with your search.

Jim

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Of Enzer, Charles (enzerch)
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:58 PM
To: profox@leafe.com; profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Dear Jim:

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I can't figure out how to use PrintScreen to Capture Scrolled portions of
the selected window.  That is, how to capture more than a screen full of
material.

Please let me know.

Charles

From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Felton [jfelt...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Give Gadwin PrintScreen a look.  They have a free version that works for me
and Pro version with a few extra options. The program is easy to control and
triggered by the Prnt Scrn key. You can download it at
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/

Jim

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Of Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:11 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

I am looking for an OpenSource or FreeWare or ShareWare alternative to
SnagIt 5.0.

I want a Screen Capture tool that can scroll -- as does the updated
version of SnagIt


-- *Charles *--
Website: *http://homepages.uc.edu/
~enzerch
*

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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

[Jerry Foote]

CaptureWizPro has the function to capture a scroll window. Works great, even
captures audio and video
Jerry

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:07 PM
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Snagit does this in the full version, or trial.

John Harvey

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Charles, I don't think you can do that with the free version.  There may be
an option in the pro version be I doubt it.  I didn't think about the scroll
when I suggested Gadwin. Sorry if I sent you on a wild goose chase. Good
luck with your search.

Jim

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Of Enzer, Charles (enzerch)
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:58 PM
To: profox@leafe.com; profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Dear Jim:

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I can't figure out how to use PrintScreen to Capture Scrolled portions of
the selected window.  That is, how to capture more than a screen full of
material.

Please let me know.

Charles

From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Felton [jfelt...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

Give Gadwin PrintScreen a look.  They have a free version that works for me
and Pro version with a few extra options. The program is easy to control and
triggered by the Prnt Scrn key. You can download it at
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/

Jim

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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:11 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

I am looking for an OpenSource or FreeWare or ShareWare alternative to
SnagIt 5.0.

I want a Screen Capture tool that can scroll -- as does the updated
version of SnagIt


-- *Charles *--
Website: *http://homepages.uc.edu/
~enzerch
*

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Re: [OT] Slow [OT]?

[Pete Theisen]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> In case you guys think I am ignoring the conversation, I'm not. 
> Somewhere my [OT] posts are being delayed, sometimes for hours.
> 
> If I post something [NF] it hits the list in seconds.
> 

Ho, ho - this hit the list in seconds. Must be that particular thread, 
has the O-word in the subject. CIA and Secret Service inspecting each 
and every post, LOL!

Glory, that must be boring!
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Re: [OT] - Hillary Clinton trips and breaks elbow

[Pete Theisen]

Adam Buckland wrote:
> Who does she think she is copying... Margret Thatcher!

> "The State Department said that Mrs Clinton, 61, was treated at the
> nearby George Washington hospital and is expecting to undergo surgery on
> her right elbow "in the upcoming week""

> As opposed to:

> "Baroness Thatcher is to have an operation on Friday on her broken arm
> which has failed to heal. Doctors at the Chelsea and Westminster
> Hospital, where she was taken by ambulance after a heavy fall in her
> London home on Friday, have decided she needs surgery. They want to pin
> together the fracture on her upper left arm which has not healed. Every
> time she moves her arm it separates again. Lady Thatcher tripped and
> fell in her bedroom while she was dressing early last Friday"

> It took her all of four days to jump on that bandwagon, next thing
> she'll suggest moving Guantanamo Bay inmates to the United States Virgin
> Islands!

Hi Adam!

Seventh comment down:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?type=story&id=7868294
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RE: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Gilbert M. Hale]

First of all, Peter, I must have deleted your eMail re: the response to my
post.  Sorry, it is not like me to blast an email into oblivion like that
.  The ESXi OS is very thin, and based on my experience there is really
nothing to do other than install it, then configure it.  Could not be
easier.  I have not had to do anything with either ESXi Server since
lighting them up, other than migrate the Workstation virtual machines to
them via VMware Converter.  BTW, in my world it is just me supporting my
entire hardware/OS/app/network/firewalls/etc. system, 19 physical machines,
and usually 8 virtual machines running on at least 2 of he physical machines
(sometimes more VMs running on other physical machines.  I run Mac OS X, to
Windows 2000 - 2003 Server, and Ubuntu Server 8.04+.  If I can handle the
additional load of ESXi on my own, while still juggling all my other
machinery alone, plus my regular workload, I am certain you and your
colleagues can handle ESXi.  It is far easier, as I found, than using
VMware's other apps that run under either Windows or Linux.  And free if you
keep it light and simple.  ESXi for free, VI Client for free, and follow my
previous directions re: placing the ESXi free license key code where I
reported it needs to go.

Also, even though I got lucky with the Dell Precision T3400 units re:
running ESXi well, I m not planning to push the edge again .  There are a
lot of Dell Servers optimized for ESXi, with all the fancy embedded
controls, etc.  But there are 2 other Server class machines they offer that
do support ESXi that I am looking at, and both are reasonably priced.  They
are the PowerEdge 2900 III, and the PowerEdge T610.  I will send eMails to
you with the configurations I am looking at, just so you can see what can be
had for fairly inexpensive.  I plan to host 8 virtual machines (all Win2k
with 1Gb RAM) on them, just like the T3400 units, except these say in the
specs they run with ESXi v-3.5U4 and ESXi v-4.

I hope that helps a bit more.

Gil
 
 
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization
> solutions
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Cushing <
> pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Gilbert M. Hale wrote:
> > > Greetings!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For anyone interested in virtualization for running multiple
> concurrent
> > > machines on a host system, this is for you!  Anyone else is invited
> to
> > read
> > > and store the info for later.  I am hoping to fend off grief for
> folks
> > > seeking virtual Nirvana.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> > Very interesting Gil,
> >
> > We've been doing a bit of virtualisation here.  Well actually my boss
> > has been doing most of it and I've just stood there looking
> interested :-)
> >
> > We liked the idea of being independent of the hardware so that if it
> > fails we can get up and running very quickly.  We have virtualised a
> few
> > servers using Vmware including my back office VFP app which prints
> and
> > emails jobs all day.  We don't think that ESXi is the way to go for
> us
> > as the hardware has to be a lot more specific to be able to run that
> > OS.  We want to be able to run the VM stuff on any half decent
> machine
> > and be up and running quickly.  You were saying you got lucky with
> your
> > hardware but we don't want to take any chances.  My boss also thinks
> the
> > extra complexity of handling the OS layer makes it more difficult to
> > support in a small IT department like ours.
> > --
> 
> 
> We are going to look into virtualization as well.  Costs are so high
> that we
> probably won't do it.  Looking at taking SS for a variety of clients
> and
> putting small ones on a virtual machine instead of the little mini
> servers
> we have for each one.
> 
> Takes 8 underused boxes into one Mega server, 16 cpu 32 gig ram to
> start
> maybe jacked up to 64 gig?
> 
> All data will be stored on a SAN or a killer raid that is fiber
> connected.
> 
> 
> The high end VMWare is costly but it allows us to really get the
> control
> between the virtual machines with respect to SQL Server.  Putting dbs
> int
> 2008 all us to throttle various process and back off on the little
> stuff
> like log shipping.
> 
> Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new device?
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
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RE: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Gilbert M. Hale]

> 
> Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new device?
>

I have saved over $40k going to this architecture thus far, and had I needed
to license VirtualCenter it would have only added maybe $3k more.  $57k
would have been my cost with all physical machines vs $17k current cost with
ESXi - and that includes some hardware unrelated to ESXi other than me
playing with VMware's other offerings first.  Cheap any way one slices it.
Plus I am using it as a quick way to recover from a machine loss, where I
have copies of my VMs on a 2nd machine's backup drive (as well as a
duplicate of all production VMs on both ESXi Servers.  In my case a Dell
EqualLogic iSAN would be real nice, but totally needless.  If I end up
having over 8 or 10 ESXi Servers, then an iSAN and VirtualCenter would begin
to make sense.


Gil

 
 
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> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization
> solutions
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Cushing <
> pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Gilbert M. Hale wrote:
> > > Greetings!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For anyone interested in virtualization for running multiple
> concurrent
> > > machines on a host system, this is for you!  Anyone else is invited
> to
> > read
> > > and store the info for later.  I am hoping to fend off grief for
> folks
> > > seeking virtual Nirvana.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> > Very interesting Gil,
> >
> > We've been doing a bit of virtualisation here.  Well actually my boss
> > has been doing most of it and I've just stood there looking
> interested :-)
> >
> > We liked the idea of being independent of the hardware so that if it
> > fails we can get up and running very quickly.  We have virtualised a
> few
> > servers using Vmware including my back office VFP app which prints
> and
> > emails jobs all day.  We don't think that ESXi is the way to go for
> us
> > as the hardware has to be a lot more specific to be able to run that
> > OS.  We want to be able to run the VM stuff on any half decent
> machine
> > and be up and running quickly.  You were saying you got lucky with
> your
> > hardware but we don't want to take any chances.  My boss also thinks
> the
> > extra complexity of handling the OS layer makes it more difficult to
> > support in a small IT department like ours.
> > --
> 
> 
> We are going to look into virtualization as well.  Costs are so high
> that we
> probably won't do it.  Looking at taking SS for a variety of clients
> and
> putting small ones on a virtual machine instead of the little mini
> servers
> we have for each one.
> 
> Takes 8 underused boxes into one Mega server, 16 cpu 32 gig ram to
> start
> maybe jacked up to 64 gig?
> 
> All data will be stored on a SAN or a killer raid that is fiber
> connected.
> 
> 
> The high end VMWare is costly but it allows us to really get the
> control
> between the virtual machines with respect to SQL Server.  Putting dbs
> int
> 2008 all us to throttle various process and back off on the little
> stuff
> like log shipping.
> 
> Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new device?
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
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Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Ed Leafe]

On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Gilbert M. Hale wrote:

>> Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new device?
>
> I have saved over $40k going to this architecture thus far, and had  
> I needed
> to license VirtualCenter it would have only added maybe $3k more.

You should also look into Cloud Servers, which are virtual servers  
hosted by Rackspace (http://www.mosso.com/cloudservers.jsp). It's like  
having a server that you manage via remote access: exactly what I'm  
doing in effect with the leafe.com and dabodev.com server, now that  
I'm half a continent away. It costs pennies per hour; an average size  
server is about $40/month, and the cheapest is around $12/month, and  
you have full root access to it. Best of all, if you get a spike in  
traffic, it automatically expands to handle that extra bandwidth, and  
you only pay for what you use. Contrast with physical servers that you  
house on-site: if the traffic to them spikes, you either a) lose  
business or b) pay a lot for extra capacity up-front that you may  
never need.

BTW, every email from this list passes through my cloud server. If  
you are a Dabo user, every web update call runs through it, too, as  
well as all the browserless web app traffic. It was a cheap way to get  
a fixed IP address that I can use as a relay, and a very cheap way of  
getting much more reliability than I can get from my personal  
RoadRunner account. I'm slowly moving more and more of the services on  
my physical box to the cloud server, with the goal of shutting down  
that server before we sell the house.

Know what else is cool? Let's say you want to make a major change to  
your current server without worrying about screwing things up. All you  
do is make a backup of your current server (takes very little time;  
about the same as making a VMWare snapshot), create a new server from  
that image, and then play around with the cloned server to test the  
changes you have in mind. If you mess things up, you delete the clone  
and make another from the backup image, and try again. When you are  
confident that you can make the change, you do it on your main server,  
and delete all the clones. You only pay for the time that the clones  
were in existence; you can create and destroy them quickly, and you  
only pay for the time that they are in existence. IOW, you could have  
a completely separate instance of your server to test with for, say, 4  
hours, destroying and recreating it as needed, and you'd only pay  
about 25 cents for that!!


-- Ed Leafe




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RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

[Allen]

You can pick up photoimpact cheap and it has a good capture plus loads more
for little money for an earlier version.
Al

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry Foote
Sent: 19 June 2009 21:30
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Screen Capture Utility

CaptureWizPro has the function to capture a scroll window. Works great, even
captures audio and video
Jerry



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Really large data set processing

[Ed Leafe]

When was the last time you crunched 200GB of data per day?

http://www.building43.com/videos/2009/06/18/think-your-dataset-is-large/
( -or- http://bit.ly/1HpXm )



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RE: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization solutions

[Gilbert M. Hale]

Yep, virtual servers and cloud computing, the next big thing - except this
time it really works!  My needs are far less than the potential on tap.  And
for the moment I like having full control over my own servers.  But I
realize that at some point it may make more sense for me to outsource the
processes I run to cloud computing.  But for now I am having fun, and making
serious progress, in my own little world.  I need to learn more about what
it is RackSpace (and others)have to offer with respect to what my needs will
end up being.  For now I am still playing around, and once again preparing
to dip into the VFP9/LinuxWine/Crossover Office world so I can slay the
silly ass Windows OS fees once and for all.  Once things settle down I may
just have to choose between that approach, or rewriting in open source
within a Linux natively.  I hate to give up on The Fox, but the reality is
the day is closer than I really want to admit.  Did anyone hear "Dabo"
whispered?  Or Python?  Or both?  Heh-heh...


Gil

 

> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:57 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] VMware ESXi Server, and other VMware virtualization
> solutions
> 
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Gilbert M. Hale wrote:
> 
> >> Why are others looking into virtual?  $$ or copy paste to new
> device?
> >
> > I have saved over $40k going to this architecture thus far, and had
> > I needed
> > to license VirtualCenter it would have only added maybe $3k more.
> 
>   You should also look into Cloud Servers, which are virtual servers
> hosted by Rackspace (http://www.mosso.com/cloudservers.jsp). It's like
> having a server that you manage via remote access: exactly what I'm
> doing in effect with the leafe.com and dabodev.com server, now that
> I'm half a continent away. It costs pennies per hour; an average size
> server is about $40/month, and the cheapest is around $12/month, and
> you have full root access to it. Best of all, if you get a spike in
> traffic, it automatically expands to handle that extra bandwidth, and
> you only pay for what you use. Contrast with physical servers that you
> house on-site: if the traffic to them spikes, you either a) lose
> business or b) pay a lot for extra capacity up-front that you may
> never need.
> 
>   BTW, every email from this list passes through my cloud server. If
> you are a Dabo user, every web update call runs through it, too, as
> well as all the browserless web app traffic. It was a cheap way to get
> a fixed IP address that I can use as a relay, and a very cheap way of
> getting much more reliability than I can get from my personal
> RoadRunner account. I'm slowly moving more and more of the services on
> my physical box to the cloud server, with the goal of shutting down
> that server before we sell the house.
> 
>   Know what else is cool? Let's say you want to make a major change
> to
> your current server without worrying about screwing things up. All you
> do is make a backup of your current server (takes very little time;
> about the same as making a VMWare snapshot), create a new server from
> that image, and then play around with the cloned server to test the
> changes you have in mind. If you mess things up, you delete the clone
> and make another from the backup image, and try again. When you are
> confident that you can make the change, you do it on your main server,
> and delete all the clones. You only pay for the time that the clones
> were in existence; you can create and destroy them quickly, and you
> only pay for the time that they are in existence. IOW, you could have
> a completely separate instance of your server to test with for, say, 4
> hours, destroying and recreating it as needed, and you'd only pay
> about 25 cents for that!!
> 
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly

[Pete Theisen]

Michael Oke, II wrote:
> Please explain to me what ratings have to do with whether or not he is 
> being worshiped by the masses?

Hi Michael,

The worshiped presidents had high ratings, ratings and worship are 
nearly interchangeable. The American public is not nearly as 
intellectual as they think themselves to be. Actually, hardly 
intellectual at all.

The most recent case in point is Clinton. He did everything women claim 
they hate a man to do, but the women routinely voted for him, and 
worshiped him as well.

> Geoff wrote:
>> you've actually had presidents with higher ratings. you are just trying to
>> convince yourself of something that is manifestly false.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
>> Of Pete Theisen
>> Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 7:53 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly
>>
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>> We've never had a president worshiped like this before.
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> 63% approval amongst Ds, 43 Rs? I think Clinton and Eisenhower both did 
>> better.
>>
>> What about FDR, Teddy R? My own personal favorite, Truman. Truman was 
>> *nobody's* chicken, that's for sure.
>>
>> This is not to even mention Kennedy, especially after the mob paid him back.
>>
 Well, I am not a priest or a preacher, although I briefly
 attended 
 seminary in my youth and studied theology extensively there
 and 
 afterward. However, I think the anti-Christ will be a lot
 worse than 
 this guy. He is just a personable, hip rather inexperienced
 kid D 
 politician.

 As he matures he may even become an R. Anti-Christ? Nah.
> 
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Re: [NF] the end of Symantec?

[Pete Theisen]

Matt Jarvis wrote:
> via Twitter @laprice:
>  
> If you had any doubts that symantec was doomed, you may now abandon
> them. 
>  
> http://bit.ly/qbrQm

Hi Matt,

Didn't they try this in dos 6 something-or-other? ROFL!

In other news, a lady on the SLUG Linux list had some intruder from 
Romania logged into her *LINUX* box and hung KDE for her. She is going 
through it now trying to figure out what the intruder did.

She said her root password was "incredibly weak" and she has now changed it.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Re: [OT] Obama kills a fly

[Michael Madigan]

It's a Yogi Berraism.  Women hate womanizers but womanizers have no shortage of 
women.  LOL


> The most recent case in point is Clinton. He did everything
> women claim 
> they hate a man to do, but the women routinely voted for
> him, and 
> worshiped him as well.
 
 

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