Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public
On 17/12/19 12:11, Vince Teachout wrote: On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote: Hi, Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can decide to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several times. As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem entirely. And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything. Save me the time please. ! Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time? Cool So now I may post about Argentine's politics in this forum... and in Spanish! You may use a filter if you're not interested, and besides, why should I have to change my stuff to save the FOX list people time? I always held the view that the TOPIC of the list should be meaningless. Don't you think so? (should I declare the irony or you people are smart enough to notice it?) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/7d541446-c432-c397-830a-8c477d413...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Migrating Skills From Foxpro to Xojo
Hi Paul, I think your problem is "love". You just don't love the language, so I'd say ditch it and find something you love, you'll save a lot of effort. Why don't you try Python, and once you've got the bare basics of the language read Prentice Hall's "Rapid GUI programming with Python and Qt" by Mark Summerfield. As for hiding your code there are nowadays a couple of apps that generate an exe file from Python with no hassles. So check it out and see if you love this language. On 22/2/19 14:04, Paul H. Tarver wrote: I hijacked the original thread with a reply changing the subject and adding an [NF] flag to the subject because a small comment Kevin made caused me chase a different rabbit for a little bit. I have reviewed Xojo on a couple of different occasions over the past few years and I have tried to work my way through the book that was written to teach people how to program it and I find myself drifting by the 3rd or 4th chapter every time. Not a fault of the author; just rather a fault of me wanting something a little more advanced. Anyway, I've run into a couple of hurdles with trying to learn Xojo and perhaps someone here has some suggestions to help me out. Try not to laugh at what may be very dumb questions! :) 1) I build a lot of similar but customized apps using a shared library of tools I've developed over the past 25 years. Every app I build contains a LOT of forms, reports and programs shared by all my applications as well as a lot of forms, reports and programs which are copied from previous projects and then customized for the current client. While I have seen multiple Xojo advocates confirm a similar process is possible, but I cannot find clear explanations of how to make that happen. 2) Every Foxpro application I build starts with a .PRG which reads a configuration .INI file and then setups up the environment, displays a splash screen, checks my version numbers, calls a database update process if a version change is detected and if all is good, it displays the main screen for the user. Once the user chooses to exit my application, a shutdown process is initiated and everything is closed in an orderly way. That having been said, I have been unable to find source code to a simple, complete Xojo application or instruction book that can walk me through the start to finish logic and firing order of all the start-up and shut-down events and allow me to compare that to the process I'm so familiar with in Foxpro. 3) Are there any good white-papers or books by Foxpro programmers that can provide insights into translating my Foxpro knowledge and skill directly into Xojo. I use Foxpro on a daily basis for my business because I cannot find a language that satisfies my clients' needs the way Foxpro does. I would love to be able to say I have a backup language like Xojo, but I get only so far before I give up and go back to what I know and love. So let's assume Kevin is correct when he states Xojo is " a viable language for VFP developers" because I do not want to go down the rabbit hole of considering all the other alternatives for this sake of this discussion and share with me any tips that can help me understand Xojo on a higher level beyond just creating a simple form. I want to understand Xojo at a Complete Deliverable Application level and talk about mimicking the features I depend upon in Foxpro to share a library of tools, forms and code across hundreds of similar custom applications. Paul H. Tarver -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kevin J Cully Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 8:11 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: false news Well, a lot of that article is correct, even though I don't want it to be. VFP as a *language* is as secure as the programmer programmed it to be. VFP as a *database* isn't secure itself. You can encrypt fields. You can encrypt the directory that the data is stored in. But DBF data isn't secure. You wouldn't store social security numbers or credit card numbers in Excel spreadsheets, right? I've haven't recommended DBFs for storage for over a decade now. There are better storage mechanisms such as Postgres, MariaDB, and even SQLite which can be set up as an encrypted database. VFP as a language is still valid, although it will never be able to create 64bit applications but that is a different subject. [Insert Xojo plug here as a viable language for VFP developers.] I had a potential client where they based their primary keys based on employee Social Security Numbers. They didn't like it when I told them that they'd need a complete rewrite. Notice this would have been the case no matter what language/technology they were using. It was just piss poor design. It appears from the article, that when the vendor was notified of the situation, that they were able to quickly address it although the article didn't say what that solution
Re: VFP in Windows on a Mac
Different colours for different people. I don't want to worry about the OS, only about the work I do IN the OS, I don't want to be bothered with new versions every other month. So I use Ubuntu Long Term distro. It is supported for a 5 year period, then I give it an extra 6 months for bugs to be discovered and upgrade to the next LT version. With my home in an individual partition and doing a brand new install every 5 years I've never had a problem (that means you loose 4 to 6 hours every 5 years to change version). On 24/06/18 15:24, j...@johnweller.co.uk wrote: Never having been taught Unix I find Linux confusing. There are so many distros, all different and all changing faster than the books can keep up with them whereas the Mac is stable, well relatively. John John Weller 01380 723235 07976393631 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of Jan Bucek Sent: 23 June 2018 20:44 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: VFP in Windows on a Mac Dne 22.6.2018 v 23:02 j...@johnweller.co.uk napsal(a): I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac? Why Mac? I use Linux and WinXP in VirtualBox without any troubles for years. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/bb417eda-14e2-ac58-a63c-5f9396198...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server
"hold off the regular monthly updates for up to 30 days", god! I had forgotten what Wd$ was all about. Thanks for the reminder. On 09/05/18 17:03, Ted Roche wrote: One of my clients had to recreate all their RDP settings. Whether that was related to this change, or just because the target machine changed its DNS name and that didn't show until the monthly reboot, well, we may never know. The post I made earlier about blocking the "April Update" also had some suggestions on settings you could use to hold off the regular monthly updates for up to 30 days, to let someone else beta-test them :) I set that up here on the couple of machines running Pro versions of Windows. Not that I paid for them ;) On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Thanks Paul. Now maybe I'll have to talk someone through how to change it, since it's a remote site. Fred On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Paul Hill wrote: On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor wrote: We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use remote desktop after the latest update for W10. Had to uninstall it. It kept saying something about security corruption. The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in system settings and firewall is OK. There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings -> Remote Desktop. Thanks Microsoft. I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out. -- Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/27a142b6-c855-bb7b-9fc7-915889026...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] How to block the Windows 10 April 2018 Update, version 1803, from installing
On 04/05/18 13:26, Ted Roche wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2018, at 3:57 PM, AndyHC wrote: Doesn't the "I'm on a metered connection" thing work? It appears that it does. However this forced update thing is only a problem for the Home version. The Pro, Enterprise and Education versions have a supported method of turning this behaviour off via a menu option or group policy, and anyone using Win 10 in a business or education context should be using one of those versions. Yes. The "I'm on a metered connection" works for Home, too. I'm doing family tech support on this one. However, I tried the "put on hold" option for the 1803 update, and then switched the Ethernet to unmetered and it _still_ installed the brand-new, unpatched, buggy 1803 "Feature Update" at 1.65 gigabytes. Microsoft's new motto of "We're going to do what we think is good for you whether you like it or not" is a bit presumptuous. Next time, I'm installing "Pro" on all the machines I have to support. So, all they have to do for you to open your wallet and pay for more than you need is to bugger you on the Home edition? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/780b468e-2b10-3387-6d24-f3d1b6c0d...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Unexpected results from a group by clause
Yup, it's like a "where" but it acts kind of after the grouping so you can use aggregate functions to limit the output. On 30/03/18 11:32, Stephen Russell wrote: The having clause allows the query to limit the output of the data set, it doesn't refocus on the raw data for additional processing. select PO.[BuyFromBuinessPartner], PO.[PurchaseOrder], PO.[Division], POL.[Item], POL.[Price] -- all items needed in group by , sum( POL.[OrderedQuantity]) totalQuant -- reason for the group by from [dbo].[FactPurchaseOrders] PO left join [dbo].[FactPurchaseOrderLines] POL on PO.[PurchaseOrder] = POL.[PurchaseOrder] and PO.[Division]= POL.[Division] where PO.Division ='RCT' and PO.OrderDate between '1-1-2018' and '4-1-2018' group by PO.[BuyFromBuinessPartner], PO.[PurchaseOrder], PO.[Division],POL.[Item], POL.[Price] Having sum( POL.[OrderedQuantity]) > 10 -- Just show me anything over 10 in quantity HTH On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Richard Kaye wrote: You can also add COUNT(*) to your query to see how many rows are duplicated and use a HAVING to see just the duplicated rows. -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:37 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: Unexpected results from a group by clause On 2018-03-29 23:00, Joe Yoder wrote: I have an SQL select statement that includes a group by clause to order the output for reporting. It gets its data from a table that potentially includes legitimate duplicate records. SELECT account, date, memo, paid_amoun; FROM QB; GROUP BY account, date, memo, paid_amoun; INTO CURSOR det I happened to discover that the output of the select statement does not include duplicate records. Is this expected behavior? If so , how should one group data with duplicate records? Thanks in advance, Joe Hi Joe, Replace the GROUP BY with the ORDER BY clause and it won't drop any records. hth, --Mike [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a28b4101-6f59-277a-2a1b-b809c2d86...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
Don't use Django. On 13/03/18 13:58, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Great discussion, thanks for your insights! So you use Django without doing Web App? "/Django makes it easier to build better Web apps more quickly and with less code./" Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 13/03/2018 à 17:33, Ricardo Araoz a écrit : Love Python. Don't do browser apps. On 13/03/18 13:23, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Ricardo, Whatever the language you choose, you'll meet 2 serious obstacles down the road to a Web Application: 1. **Write responsive HTML/CSS/JS**: if you want to somehow clone the layout of the forms of your VFP desktop application, and render it as responsive HTML using - eg. - the Bootstrap framework, it'll take you up to 10 levels of nested divs to get a proper layout; no GUI editor at the rescue for that: you'll have to hard code using a text editor, and choose appropriate class and IDs without getting messed up; and it soon becomes very complex and difficult to handle, especially because CSS computes the layout for you based on the structure and rules you define. If you want a responsive layout, you can no longer set .left, .width, etc., you must let the browser compute positions and dimensions. Generating HTML is the area where your Python code will mostly be used and, strangely, this is only the emerged part of the iceberg as point 2. below explains. 2. **Maintain user state**: in your VFP code, each time you write 'thisForm…' or 'this…' or 'alias.field', or read a public variable, you query (without knowing or realizing it) the user state, as it results from the succession of user actions applied to some initial state. In VFP, as a single instance of the application serves a single user, everything can persist in memory: easy and painless. On the Web conversely, as the same application can serve any user in any sequence, the user state can exist only if you somehow maintain it (save and restore). No framework, whether it's Python-based or C#-based, will ever do that for you. Then you have roughly 2 options to maintain the user state: **on the client or on the server**. Maintaining the user state on the **client** requires to: - write a lot of JavaScript, probably with some client-side framework such as jQuery, Angular or Ember (be aware that these frameworks are pretty conceptual and difficult to master properly; they at least require that you are very proficient in HTML/CSS/JS as they add several layers above these technologies). Whatever your choice, you write no Python here, just HTML, CSS and JS. - use client side storage to create on the client something similar to a view that you'll submit to the server once user decides to save. This requires a good knowledge of web storage API, another JavaScript-centric technology - expose all your business and presentation layer code to the outside world; just like you would expose all the VFP code you have in *.scx and *.vcx, except queries. You can only obfuscate this code (eg. minify renames variables in alpha sequence such as "a", "b", "c", "d", etc.), concealing it is impossible as the browser must read it. This is the solution that most developers use nowadays; exchange with the server are merely data conveyed in the JSON format. Maintaining the user state on the **server** requires to: - write double code: client side code altering the user interface is almost the same, except it must query the user state from the server to take proper action; the amount of code is much higher, and client and server must somehow understand each other, this generally requires either being a 'full stack developer' or defining tight rules (eg. naming) between client and server. - store user state on a server disk so that any web server can retrieve the state for any user at any time (forget about assigning server instances to specific users like in the desktop world, it just does not work for high user counts; a typical web app serves 200 users and this figure can go up to several thousands) - choose or define a format to store user state: could be a simple JSON string that the client JavaScript provides after each action (then you need to choose a scalable structure), or a table that you can easily query to, eg., find differences between states before / after user action. FoxInCloud helps you dramatically in these 2 critical areas: - **generate responsive HTML/CSS/JS code** from your VFP forms: FoxInCloud understand how controls are aligned and grouped on the page and builds the corresponding groupings (row, column, *-group) in the Bootstrap CSS system - **automatically maintains user state**: because FoxInCloud runs your VFP forms on the server and these forms are object oriented, FoxInCloud is able to dete
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
ly thing you need to do is: declare the native properties (eg. 'visible', 'enabled') that the user action can affect (custom properties being saved by default); FoxInCloud compares the state before and after user action to identify the visual changes that the browser must apply: you have strictly nothing to code to make this happen. As I already often wrote, FoxInCloud can be regarded either as a final, or just an intermediary step to a Web Application; you can: - take advantage of the generated HTML/CSS/JS to save months of writing responsive HTML - judge whether the user state maintenance mechanism suits you and eventually recode a similar mechanism in Python (or other) - mitigate between a server-side and client-side user state maintenance to save response time while protecting the code that you consider critical. I would be delighted if VFP developers would consider FoxInCloud as a community-inspired effort, and would like to cooperate towards a future suitable migration path to the Web, rather than like a "take or leave" product with the VFP stigmata. FoxInCloud does incorporate thorough software engineering thinking about running a Web Application while taking advantage of a Desktop Application background, going far beyond and above the mere language level which, in any case, does not and will never provide a complete solution to building a Web Application. Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 12/03/2018 à 23:53, Ricardo Araoz a écrit : Thanks Thierry, but I've gone over to Python, love the language and libraries, gives me pleasure to write it. As for the 10x times, it might be true if you are left to your own devices. But thankfully it has loads of beautiful and useful libraries which allow me to keep writing a language I've come to love. Cheers On 12/03/18 15:04, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Ricardo, Unless learning Python is for you so important and compelling that you accept to spend 10x more time for the same result, did you look at FoxInCloud? Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/7420f184-0fd6-64d2-38c6-ad77dc293...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
Thanks Thierry, but I've gone over to Python, love the language and libraries, gives me pleasure to write it. As for the 10x times, it might be true if you are left to your own devices. But thankfully it has loads of beautiful and useful libraries which allow me to keep writing a language I've come to love. Cheers On 12/03/18 15:04, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Ricardo, Unless learning Python is for you so important and compelling that you accept to spend 10x more time for the same result, did you look at FoxInCloud? Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud Le 12 mars 2018 à 18:58, Ricardo Araoz a écrit : Ed, never worked with templating systems, but reading the examples I have a few doubts regarding their capabilities, maybe you know the answer to them? In the example they define items, but will the template generate a new title on top of every page? Can you define page sizes, page footers, group headers and footers, group totals, running totals? On 07/03/18 11:47, Ajit Abraham wrote: Thanks Ed. I had seen that before - but as there was no GUI, I ignored it. I need the GUI for absolute positioning of objects - similar to VFP/Crystal/Jasper report builders. Will have another look at it. While I don’t do much reporting in Python these days, I would recommend a simple templating system like Jinja or Mako to create the HTML output, and an HTML-PDF converter to create the output. I did a quick google around and found this article: http://pbpython.com/pdf-reports.html . It looks pretty straightforward. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a54e307d-42b6-7b09-479e-a20d6d3a1...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
Thanks Ed, you saved me a few hours of reading. On 12/03/18 15:13, Ed Leafe wrote: On Mar 12, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Ed, never worked with templating systems, but reading the examples I have a few doubts regarding their capabilities, maybe you know the answer to them? In the example they define items, but will the template generate a new title on top of every page? These are HTML generators, so there is just one per document. Not sure how you would translate that to hard copy page breaks. Can you define page sizes, page footers, group headers and footers, group totals, running totals? Sure, the templates support embedded code, so you would be able to do that, but it isn't baked-in as in VFP or Crystal. Remember, they are HTML templates, not reporting templates. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/fa42042f-4f14-653c-75d7-34e73c1a9...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
Ed, never worked with templating systems, but reading the examples I have a few doubts regarding their capabilities, maybe you know the answer to them? In the example they define items, but will the template generate a new title on top of every page? Can you define page sizes, page footers, group headers and footers, group totals, running totals? On 07/03/18 11:47, Ajit Abraham wrote: Thanks Ed. I had seen that before - but as there was no GUI, I ignored it. I need the GUI for absolute positioning of objects - similar to VFP/Crystal/Jasper report builders. Will have another look at it. While I don’t do much reporting in Python these days, I would recommend a simple templating system like Jinja or Mako to create the HTML output, and an HTML-PDF converter to create the output. I did a quick google around and found this article: http://pbpython.com/pdf-reports.html . It looks pretty straightforward. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00e9b59d-fbbd-7140-4493-c7fbed7f9...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
I've checked it out, I can see your point, it's a beautiful tool, but too many dependencies and a long product chain. For simple database reports (that would be 98% of the time) I'll work with xlsxwriter and PollyReports which is close to the fox style but stays within python and keeps the design of your report and it's parameters within the language and will be easily portable. Regarding the remaining 2% if I can't dodge the bullet I'll probably end up doing what you suggest (thanks for the tips Ajit, hadn't heard about until you mentioned it) Cheers On 08/03/18 12:06, Ajit Abraham wrote: Thanks Ricardo, On 08/03/2018 01:39, Ricardo Araoz wrote: You could also check "relatorio" and "pod" if you are willing to work with open office. Gaetan's Appy Framework does exactly that. It works with odt documents. For simple reporting, it is ok. But for complex reports(which is easy in VFP), I found that had to do too much of tinkering. Also it needs Libreoffice to run in silent mode to generate the pdf. check out PollyReports which is not a graphical tool but a python lib Simply put, I have been spoilt by VFP. Hence hunting for the GUI Ok. Seems that I will settle in for JasperReport. These are the steps: 1. Prepare the data in XML format (Thanks to yattag library) Along with the table data, I can pass adhoc values like the report title etc 2. Design the report through the free JasperStudio (same like VFP report design tool) 3. Generate PDF through Jadson Ribeiro's pyreport which is a wrapper for JasperStarter command-line tool. This generates the PDF without any reporting service running in the background. Ajit [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/24a207b2-3843-c872-0975-f5116e4ea...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Reporting in Python (Django)
I googled a bit. The ideal thing would be something that generates RML (ReportLab Markup Language) and then use python's rml2pdf library, but I havent found any graphical RML generator. You could also check "relatorio" and "pod" if you are willing to work with open office. For a tool which uses detail bands, and total, subtotal, and group bands as well as page headers and footers you could check out PollyReports which is not a graphical tool but a python lib which depends on ReportLab, but allows good control for database reports, as for accuracy it works with points (that would be 72 points to an inch), or you could use ReportLab.lib.units which allows you to work in inches, cm, mm and pica. HTH ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/f297423c-b31a-f259-c2c2-42fbfea48...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Meeting our Ed!
LOL, yes you do. On 06/03/18 12:26, Dave Crozier wrote: Well we do have Aguer Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd. --- This communication and the information it contains is intended for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. Its contents are confidential and may be protected in law. If you have received this e-mail in error you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Unauthorised use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or email. Flexipol Packaging Ltd. has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise the risk of virus transmission through email and therefore any files sent via e-mail will have been checked for known viruses. However, you are advised to run your own virus check before opening any attachments received as Flexipol Packaging Ltd will not in any event accept any liability whatsoever once an e-mail and/or any attachment is received. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they have adequate virus protection. Flexipol Packaging Ltd. Unit 14 Bentwood Road Carrs Industrial Estate Haslingden Rossendale Lancashire BB4 5HH Tel:01706-222792 Fax: 01706-224683 www.Flexipol.co.uk --- Terms & Conditions: Notwithstanding delivery and the passing of risk in the goods, the property in the goods shall not pass to the buyer until the seller Flexipol Packaging Ltd. ("The Company") has received in cash or cleared funds payment in full of the price of the goods and all other goods agreed to be sold by the seller to the buyer for which payment is then due. Until such time as the property in the goods passes to the buyer, the buyer shall hold the goods as the seller's fiduciary agent and bailee and keep the goods separate from those of the buyer and third parties and properly stored protected and insured and identified as the seller's property but shall be entitled to resell or use the goods in the ordinary course of its business. Until such time as the property in the goods passes to the buyer the seller shall be entitled at any time -Original Message- From: ProFox On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: 06 March 2018 15:24 To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: Re: [NF] Meeting our Ed! On Mar 6, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Hey! That's not a City scarf, that's an Argie scarf. Got the right colors but the wrong team. ;-) It could be both. :) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/893fee58-f505-887b-3a8f-f8630feb1...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Meeting our Ed!
Hey! That's not a City scarf, that's an Argie scarf. Got the right colors but the wrong team. ;-) On 06/03/18 02:24, Ed Leafe wrote: On Mar 5, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote: What the Halibut? Where's a link to a pic of you and Ed hanging out??? Come on - you know you owe us at least that much!!! To be fair, it was Linda who took the photos, and we were stuck in metal tubes all day today (Manchester -> Dublin -> Washington, DC -> San Antonio). But now I'm back home, and before collapsing from exhaustion, I put together a quick album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/u9dQUxwBBpCQwuR32 That said, I can't thank Dave enough for being a wonderful host. Linda and I had planned a nice, leisurely weekend in Manchester after my conference in Dublin, but Mother Nature had other ideas. Dublin had the worst weather in decades while we were there (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/people-urged-to-stay-indoors-as-blizzard-set-to-threaten-life-and-limb-1.3411319), and the airport was shut down for two days, canceling our original flights. We ended up flying into Manchester Sunday afternoon, where Dave was waiting for us. He drove us to the stadium, where we had a great time watching City win, even though we were stuck in the Chelsea section. He the took us to our hotel, but then it turned out that when we re-booked due to the storm, we had been moved to a different hotel much further away. No worries, as Dave the chauffeur got us to our hotel, waited while we dropped off our things, and then drove us back to his charming town, where we were joined by his wife , and had an excellent meal. He then drove us all the way back to our hotel. We had to fly out early the next morning, and I can honestly say that without Dave's help, none of that would have been possible. Oh, and don't even get me started about the problems getting the tickets! Next time we are able to make it to Manchester, we owe him several pints! -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/40f2cd75-6c49-084d-b641-f1d408373...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: New Term: Zombie Language
Does anyone remember PL/I? On 20/02/18 13:00, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2018-02-19 07:15, Alan Bourke wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, at 11:49 AM, Ted Roche wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 5:02 AM, Laurie Alvey wrote: > I guess FORTRAN & PASCAL would qualify. > The only differentiation I might make is whether there are implementations still out in the world. Pascal and Fortran have more or less complete and free compilers available . In the case of Pascal there's also Delphi and Oxygene in the commercial products world. Pascal is far from a zombie language. Pascal was one of my first true programming language loves. Beautiful language from my recollection of 30 years ago. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/66dd1ba8-65e4-7d46-e057-0ce1443f2...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Foxpro/Programming Training Question
On 26/01/18 13:20, Dave Crozier wrote: It is nice to say that VFP is still the only data centric language out there with an in-built datastore, which limited though it is (the 2Gb limit) allows the majority if not all stand alone desktop apps to be easily developed, tested and installed in both single and multi user modes. Yes, I know Python is excellent as well as all the other "flavour of the day" languageslike Ruby, Java etc. but they all require extensions here there and everywhere to function as a true development environment and everyone has their own favourite. There isn't a one product fits all solution. Rightly or wrongly, there is only one set of development tools in VFP and you can get to master them very quickly - then you can use your skills on other more advanced/challenging languages. I rest my case your honour! I don't see it that way, what's wrong with having a modular language? So long as the modules integrate seamlessly into the language there is no real difference between an all-in-one and a modular language. If the integration of the modules is troublesome then you've got a big point. In Python's case integration is fairly easy, what's difficult is deciding which of the many available modules for each task will you use, but hey, having a choice is good too. As for self contained datastore you may use sqlite module. Only thing I miss from FP is to be able to generate a self contained executable easily and without hassle (with just one command). The other thing that may trip you is the constant updating of the language and the different modules you use in a project, and that sometimes they are not in sync bringing up some hassle, but you may always choose not to update the language and modules and do that at your own pace. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/b05f7b74-13ad-2811-e3cd-28b272e49...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: NF - MYSQL Server Free Edition
What about PostgreSQL? https://www.techrepublic.com/article/oracles-biggest-database-foe-could-it-be-postgres/ https://www.slant.co/versus/4218/4221/~postgres_vs_oracle-database On 16/12/17 01:55, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2017-12-15 15:43, Mike wrote: Ted, I would (almost) give up my keyboard for the chance to get them to use MariaDB or anything other than the Evil Empire's SQL Server. Unfortunately, I'm not driving the bus on this one and they're convinced that SqlServer and ultimately Azure is the only REAL game in town. M$ marketing wins again! Nothing against "the Evil Empire" but I just don't like using SQL Server as much as I do VFP, MySQL/MariaDB, Oracle. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/882c7132-b574-5ea8-f565-e120e0fca...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: e: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications
On 08/06/17 22:49, Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Nice form! Couple of questions. Can you program hot keys so as to not use the mouse to save the order for example? And I'd like to know the language you use to program this app. Or should I say languages? And what about security, do you have to take care of it or does the language/framework handle it? 100% java there and I do not think that you understand what a save is. In reality, you are progressing an order through all the phases of OE, Production, Warehousing, Shipping. There are many status changes that take place with approvals and releases. Each user can customize their version of every screen. What columns to display and in what order in the grid as well as the sort. All columns have a search header on them to find what you need real quick. It is a pretty good ERP. I like the interface, looks really good and fast. Can you program hot keys? What about security? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/85fdfaba-14a1-7049-3fb2-cbde8a3a6...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: e: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications
Nice form! Couple of questions. Can you program hot keys so as to not use the mouse to save the order for example? And I'd like to know the language you use to program this app. Or should I say languages? And what about security, do you have to take care of it or does the language/framework handle it? On 08/06/17 17:15, Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: Salesforce? I cringe every time I have to use it. There's nothing particularly intuitive about it, imho, at least out of the box. This is the system I use, LN, and how to place a sales order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ros6m2BBI84 Only watch this if you can SPEED it up to 1.5x in speed. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/acc30b16-97f4-05e5-d76f-cba946ddb...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop
Besides which, why on earth would I want to go live in your kind of society? I'm perfectly happy in my country, love it here. I might visit you though, my daughter tells me it's a beautiful country, but not right now. Oh, and Mikey dear or should I call you "the Mikey"? (sorry about my poor English, is that the way an educated person should address white trash?), you've forgotten your geography lessons (did you ever attend school?), the rest of the world is not only Canada and Mexico. There are many other countries which have no common frontiers with you, so your wall is meaningless to me. On 11/11/16 05:28, Geoff wrote: He wont be building his $50B wall with its $10B/yr running costs. Unless there are 5000 troops there. But it wont even work. Its just another of his incredibly dumb ideas. I particularly liked his alternative to Obamacare which was "something really, really good" :) -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 6:15 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop You better sneak into the country now before he builds the wall - Original Message - From: Ricardo Araoz To: ProFox Email List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop Hey Michael, hello! Look, I'm not a US citizen. I'm from that legendary land beyond your frontier. You know, the rest of the world? So for me it's not either or, I couldn't care less for Hillary. You know, in legendary land politics is not one dimensional, we don't define ourselves that way (well, you know, educated people), we usually don't fall for simplistic answers, we think and debate. But please, clean your foaming lips, let's not fight. You don't have to agree with my statement, just remember it and read it again in four years that is, if you still have computers or, maybe the corporations have the power, then when you read it try to remember what Trump looked like before being elected. Actually, knowing a bit about your recent history, and considering the vice president is well accepted by the GOP leadership, if I were Trump I'd step very carefully and never ride an open car through the streets of Dallas. On 10/11/16 16:23, Michael Oke, II wrote: But of course it wasn't demeaning and and contained a simple, yet substantial, statement that you were unable to clarify so you chose to attack me. Congrats Killary. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: LOL Your answer reminded me of how the Donald would answer any serious statement in the presidential debates. A lot of words, demeaning, and no real substance underneath all that. On 09/11/16 22:33, Michael Oke, II wrote: Your logic is so flawed that I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Now we will be able to ascertain some things. If he manages to end his four years without getting into a really stupid war, and without pressing the atomic button, and without making a fool of his country, and without bankrupting USA, then we will know that the president is just a figurehead and that it's the corporations that really rule the USA. OTOH well, it's been a good life so far, only comfort is that those responsible will go down first. On 09/11/16 14:26, Stephen Russell wrote: Enough of the people who were sick and tired of the same old shit from our leaders stood up and said UP YOURS. Now can he lead a country better than he campaigned? Has the secret service terminated his twitter account yet? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Jean Laeremans < laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> wrote: The fools have taken over the asylum On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Adam Buckland < adam.buckl...@eurohill.com> wrote: Britain : Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could ever undertake. USA : Hold my drink [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/8415-a0c9-7984-3fb2-cede3a1bf...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop
Hey Michael, hello! Look, I'm not a US citizen. I'm from that legendary land beyond your frontier. You know, the rest of the world? So for me it's not either or, I couldn't care less for Hillary. You know, in legendary land politics is not one dimensional, we don't define ourselves that way (well, you know, educated people), we usually don't fall for simplistic answers, we think and debate. But please, clean your foaming lips, let's not fight. You don't have to agree with my statement, just remember it and read it again in four years that is, if you still have computers or, maybe the corporations have the power, then when you read it try to remember what Trump looked like before being elected. Actually, knowing a bit about your recent history, and considering the vice president is well accepted by the GOP leadership, if I were Trump I'd step very carefully and never ride an open car through the streets of Dallas. On 10/11/16 16:23, Michael Oke, II wrote: But of course it wasn't demeaning and and contained a simple, yet substantial, statement that you were unable to clarify so you chose to attack me. Congrats Killary. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 --------- On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: LOL Your answer reminded me of how the Donald would answer any serious statement in the presidential debates. A lot of words, demeaning, and no real substance underneath all that. On 09/11/16 22:33, Michael Oke, II wrote: Your logic is so flawed that I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 ----- On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Now we will be able to ascertain some things. If he manages to end his four years without getting into a really stupid war, and without pressing the atomic button, and without making a fool of his country, and without bankrupting USA, then we will know that the president is just a figurehead and that it's the corporations that really rule the USA. OTOH well, it's been a good life so far, only comfort is that those responsible will go down first. On 09/11/16 14:26, Stephen Russell wrote: Enough of the people who were sick and tired of the same old shit from our leaders stood up and said UP YOURS. Now can he lead a country better than he campaigned? Has the secret service terminated his twitter account yet? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Jean Laeremans < laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> wrote: The fools have taken over the asylum On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Adam Buckland < adam.buckl...@eurohill.com> wrote: Britain : Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could ever undertake. USA : Hold my drink [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/8a9bb90a-8e3e-666d-624a-33be9bfbc...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop
LOL Your answer reminded me of how the Donald would answer any serious statement in the presidential debates. A lot of words, demeaning, and no real substance underneath all that. On 09/11/16 22:33, Michael Oke, II wrote: Your logic is so flawed that I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Now we will be able to ascertain some things. If he manages to end his four years without getting into a really stupid war, and without pressing the atomic button, and without making a fool of his country, and without bankrupting USA, then we will know that the president is just a figurehead and that it's the corporations that really rule the USA. OTOH well, it's been a good life so far, only comfort is that those responsible will go down first. On 09/11/16 14:26, Stephen Russell wrote: Enough of the people who were sick and tired of the same old shit from our leaders stood up and said UP YOURS. Now can he lead a country better than he campaigned? Has the secret service terminated his twitter account yet? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Jean Laeremans < laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> wrote: The fools have taken over the asylum On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Adam Buckland < adam.buckl...@eurohill.com> wrote: Britain : Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could ever undertake. USA : Hold my drink [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a77b5bd2-2df4-29a9-b48f-2ad3957a8...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Could hear a pin drop
Now we will be able to ascertain some things. If he manages to end his four years without getting into a really stupid war, and without pressing the atomic button, and without making a fool of his country, and without bankrupting USA, then we will know that the president is just a figurehead and that it's the corporations that really rule the USA. OTOH well, it's been a good life so far, only comfort is that those responsible will go down first. On 09/11/16 14:26, Stephen Russell wrote: Enough of the people who were sick and tired of the same old shit from our leaders stood up and said UP YOURS. Now can he lead a country better than he campaigned? Has the secret service terminated his twitter account yet? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Jean Laeremans < laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> wrote: The fools have taken over the asylum On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Adam Buckland wrote: Britain : Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could ever undertake. USA : Hold my drink [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a00f840e-af0c-c08a-2758-e27afef6d...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF][RANT] I need to stop playing 20 questions...
On 26/02/16 14:20, Alan Bourke wrote: Windows does a better job than almost anything bar certain big-iron mainframe operating systems in this respect. I never knew Linux was a "big-iron mainframe operating system". Wow! I'm big time now! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/56d0a040.4070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] A Good Browser?
Chromium has an add-on, "The Great Suspender", that allows you to suspend tabs. That is, the tabs are there but the browser won't download the page until you tell it to. This speeds up the browser and you still get to have great number of tabs. On 16/02/16 04:00, AndyHC wrote: Looks like there is a like-for-like add-on (which you can install pre-v45 for continuity), also a tree format add-on (although I thought there was a long-term plan afoot for *all* browsers to stop add-ons/plug-ins?). Also I have found that leaving multiple tabs open leads to PC performance degradation suggestive of a slow memory leak. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/*tab*-*groups*-removal On 16/02/2016 00:49, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Dear Vixens and Reynards: I used to use the latest version of Firefox. With version 29.0, Mozilla screwed up the tabs horribly. I upgraded back to 28.0 and have been running that version since. Recently, I have started working for a company with a WordPress site. I have had trouble with the CSS. Thinking that it might be a browser issue, I decided to try a later version of Firefox, that being 44.0.2. The CSS problem was still there so I will probably have to look elsewhere for the cause of the problem (unless the problem is common to both Firefox versions). HOWEVER, the tabs are as bad as ever, and apparently, tab groups are about to be removed in version 45. I use tab groups heavily. (STOMP, STOMP, STOMP!) So, my question is: What browser do you recommend and why? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/56c32470.3070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Linux Ransomware now out
Oh, but there are lots of businesses running their software in linux. About needing to do "actual business", unless you are an IT company (and even then) your "actual business" is not done over a computer. If you need to communicate, that'll be through the internet and that usually means you can use any OS. There is design and payroll soft out there for linux, as well as games. Maybe you are stuck in the 90's? Of course there are specific niches that demand you to use wdws, but diminishing every year. For everyday use I find there's nothing I can't do in linux, that includes programming. But it is not a competition, if you are perfectly happy with wdws please by all means stay there. Those of us who have migrated will really enjoy hearing about your chores every time a new version comes out, it makes us feel fortunate and relieved. On 20/11/15 12:24, Alan Bourke wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, at 02:43 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Look Ted, those of us who've used Linux in anger know how good it is. Those who haven't... well, they can keep buying Wds versions (every time the company feels they need some extra money) and feeling all warm and fuzzy and knowledgeable every time the find a work around some shitty bug or some hidden stuff and are able to keep having things they already had in the previous version, or paying out even more money for other company's solutions to the mess. Or they need to run the software that businesses need to do actual business, design things, interoperate, pay people, or maybe play some games when they go home. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/56532bea.7070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Linux Ransomware now out
Look Ted, those of us who've used Linux in anger know how good it is. Those who haven't... well, they can keep buying Wds versions (every time the company feels they need some extra money) and feeling all warm and fuzzy and knowledgeable every time the find a work around some shitty bug or some hidden stuff and are able to keep having things they already had in the previous version, or paying out even more money for other company's solutions to the mess. Different strokes for different folks, no need to get excited about it. After all, it's their mess, and their money they are throwing down. On 20/11/15 09:16, Ted Roche wrote: Lies, damned lies and statistics. I found it "interesting" that SEVEN of the TOP 25 lists of "Vulnerable Products" are called "Windows" yet they roll all of the hundreds of Linux builds under "Linux Kernel" No doubt many of the Windows flaws are duplicate or cross-versions (since they are nearly all the same product based on the same code.) One of those is wrong, isn't it? Linux is good about being OPEN about their issues and the fixes, unlike Windows that ships a dozen updates every month whose description says "This update addresses a problem in Windows." Well, duh. So what did you find "interesting" in the link? On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Mike McCann wrote: Found this interesting, re: Linux. https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:51 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Linux Ransomware now out On 11/17/2015 8:13 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: I thought Linux was immune to all this crap? You don't even need an A/V software on Linux, right? lol Nope I don't think anyone said "immune" - just much harder to deploy. You can bet your bottom dollar that companies like MS, and Apple are looking for any way to discredit/attack Linux. In fact, this thing smacks of Microsoft-ish "design": that is the software has a design flaw so big it's practically useless. :) -Charlie On 2015-11-10 09:34, Stephen Russell wrote: http://betanews.com/2015/11/09/linux-users-targeted-by-new-linux-encoder-1-e ncryption-ransomware/ -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/564f3190.1070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Rugby World Cup
Not really popular. In my youth only played among british schools and a couple of clubs, now it has more popularity but not that much. We are football country. On 21/10/15 18:44, Paul Hill wrote: On 21 October 2015 at 00:04, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Should I make any comments on the subject? I've still got £2 on Argentina to win in the office sweepstake! Is rugby even popular in Argentina? Gotta wonder about Georgia also... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/562807fa.4070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Rugby World Cup
LOL, we were close. We'll do better next time. But I was referring to Argentina vs. Ireland game. On 20/10/15 20:22, Sytze de Boer wrote: No comments please. I'm a Kiwi On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Should I make any comments on the subject? :P [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5626eadc.3060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Rugby World Cup
Should I make any comments on the subject? :P ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5626c864.6090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Those of you into Linux might consider Basket http://basket.kde.org/ as an alternative for these tasks. On 06/10/15 09:27, Malcolm Greene wrote: RESENDING UNDER A MORE DESCRIPTIVE SUBJECT LINE. Hi Mike, Sounds like a good product per you and others here. I haven't tried it (yet). What do you use it to do, Malcolm? I literally live in the Evernote application and use this application for just about everything. A quick (but not complete) list of how I use Evernote: 1. A personal diary notebook where I manage my time 2. Project specific notebooks for work I do for customers 3. A research notebook where I store notes on topics I research myself 4. An images notebook that I store interesting images/clipart in for inspiration 5. A contact notebook where I track the people I've worked with 6. A coding notebook where I store coding snippets in a variety of languages 7. Personal paperwork - scanned copies of important info - For this list I think number 6 might be the most interesting for further discussion. In the past I stored my code snippets in giant text files. Searching these files became unwieldy because most of my searches became linear searches. Being able to store each snippet in a note makes my searches more efficient and doesn't clog up my drive. Using notes vs files as containers for my snippets also allows me to store multiple files in a snippet if a snippet is a group of files (code, configuration, notes) and allows me to use colored text to distinguish my own comments and concerns about specific code blocks in ways that stand out visually more than abbreviations. If there's configuration involved I can also include screenshots and everything is packaged in a logical linear flow vs a random list of files in a zip archive. I encourage others on this list to check out Evernote even if its for nothing other than as a code snippet manager. I'm happy to answer questions on this product or specific use cases. Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5613cc1f.4000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Rugby World Cup
Saw the match. The Pumas held their ground, and were superior for the first 60 minutes. Our forwards did a good job. Pity about McCaw's trip, guess the pressure was too high (and he's known to live on the edge of the rules). Didn't like to see so many kicks from the Pumas, loosing control of the ball and loosing lots of ground every time until they recovered the ball, and they they kicked it again. You can't do that against the ABs, that is, unless you are prepared to loose as we did. We did beat Georgia to the ground though. Anyway it seems we are between the best teams not only in football but in rugby too. ;c) On 21/09/15 16:24, Paul Hill wrote: The South African in my office is not impressed :-) Argentina did well against New Zealand (the favorites by a long way). Leading at half time was impressive. No comments Ricardo? On 21 September 2015 at 10:26, Dave Crozier wrote: Japan doesn't seem such a bad outside bet now though Paul!! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hill Sent: 18 September 2015 22:16 To: ProFox Email List Subject: [OT] Rugby World Cup Hi All, Excited yet lol? I drew Argentina and Samoa in our office sweepstake. It could be worse. My colleague drew USA and Japan! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5606fa3a.6020...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Mate -> Terere
There were some here who drank mate. In Argentina, Uruguay and Brasil the mate is done with hot water (just before boiling, between 75º and 85ºC according to your preferences), in Paraguay it is done with cold water (and they usually add some citric juice) and is called terere (there is an accent in the last "e", I haven't used it in consideration to those who won't be able to see it properly). Both mate and terere are drunk by yourself or shared in a circle of people who share the bombilla (sipping straw) as well as the conversation. My daughter, who is travelling through Latin America in her motor bike, has posted an article about terere here : http://www.hastaprontocatalina.com/remedios-para-el-terere-paraguay/ Sorry to say it's in Spanish so many of you'll have to use some translation engine to read it. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55fc440d.6040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows 10 Ultimate Windows Tweaker
Nice, what wds distro do you have? Or do you like the default shell? On 27/08/15 12:23, Alan Bourke wrote: Isn't that sad? That you're happy to make a new OS to work as well as what you had three versions before. See also the myriad forks of popular Linux distros (for example Kubuntu) that exist because people don't like the current default shell. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55df2d11.6040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Isn't Mint based on Ubuntu? Did they take away the spyware? On 27/08/15 07:52, Ted Roche wrote: Luckily, Linux's plan for world domination doesn't require desktops :) Everyone else is abandoning the desktops for tablets, phones and mobile anyway. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Don't support such blatent commercialisation of a free OS. Unfortunately it never will be the year of Linux on the desktop without things like Ubuntu. Mint seems to be overtaking it a bit now though. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55df21a4.8060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Will do next time I change version. On 27/08/15 07:19, Paul Hill wrote: On 26 August 2015 at 23:18, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Ubuntu since version 12.01 does send the text of your local searches to Canonical which in turn relays them to Amazon so that online Amazon search results will be displayed on your machine when you search for anything within Unity. Install Debian instead. Don't support such blatent commercialisation of a free OS. Ubuntu is 90% Debian anyway. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55df215a.6080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Doh! Didn't even look at the code. On 27/08/15 11:00, Ted Roche wrote: Sharp as a tack, Kurt. Exactly right. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Actually - Ricardo - I think Ted meant that in a humorous way - although somewhat serious - that if we start talking NSA or Gov't in this message thread - that we are seriously moving into the realm of [OT] Territory. And, thus - he's suggesting that maybe those folks wanting to add to this thread in regards to NSA or Gov't should change the message subject to add [OT]. I could be wrong - but, me thinks not... Right Ted?? :-) -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:52 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks.. Don't think that'll do. I have it from good source that for example ws encryption algorithms had to be sent as source code to nsa, to be returned as object code which would then be used in the OS. If key parts of the OS followed said path then there's nothing you can do about it. On 26/08/15 20:12, Ted Roche wrote: IF $MESSAGE$"NSA" OR $MESSAGE$"government" SET $SUBJECT TO "[OT] " + $SUBJECT ENDIF On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Am I right that no one at MSoft (with the actual ability to 'know') has ever denied that MSoft has installed back door access in Windows for governmental use? "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" he said to the people in his computer. Mike Ricardo Araoz wrote: Ubuntu since version 12.01 does send the text of your local searches to Canonical which in turn relays them to Amazon so that online Amazon search results will be displayed on your machine when you search for anything within Unity. Anyway you go to system settings/privacy and there you have a toggle to disable the relay of information. You cannot compare that though with what MS does when it opens your machine to the NSA and other gvt agencies (you have no toggle there to disable it). [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55df2121.3090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows 10 Ultimate Windows Tweaker
Hahaha! Isn't that sad? That you're happy to make a new OS to work as well as what you had three versions before. On 27/08/15 11:02, Ted Roche wrote: Looks good! Between that and Classic Shell, we can get Windows 10 to work as well as Windows 7! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-4-windows-10 Freeware, brings many scattered settings together in one place, but crucially has a Privacy tab where you can turn off all the mothership- calling stuff. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55df20de.5030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Don't think that'll do. I have it from good source that for example ws encryption algorithms had to be sent as source code to nsa, to be returned as object code which would then be used in the OS. If key parts of the OS followed said path then there's nothing you can do about it. On 26/08/15 20:12, Ted Roche wrote: IF $MESSAGE$"NSA" OR $MESSAGE$"government" SET $SUBJECT TO "[OT] " + $SUBJECT ENDIF On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Am I right that no one at MSoft (with the actual ability to 'know') has ever denied that MSoft has installed back door access in Windows for governmental use? "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" he said to the people in his computer. Mike Ricardo Araoz wrote: Ubuntu since version 12.01 does send the text of your local searches to Canonical which in turn relays them to Amazon so that online Amazon search results will be displayed on your machine when you search for anything within Unity. Anyway you go to system settings/privacy and there you have a toggle to disable the relay of information. You cannot compare that though with what MS does when it opens your machine to the NSA and other gvt agencies (you have no toggle there to disable it). [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55de5f23.7040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Ubuntu since version 12.01 does send the text of your local searches to Canonical which in turn relays them to Amazon so that online Amazon search results will be displayed on your machine when you search for anything within Unity. Anyway you go to system settings/privacy and there you have a toggle to disable the relay of information. You cannot compare that though with what MS does when it opens your machine to the NSA and other gvt agencies (you have no toggle there to disable it). On 26/08/15 18:43, Ted Roche wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: Ubuntu does too, although I'm guessing you use a different distro. Ubuntu does too, what? Not an Ubu user, what are they up to? Mostly I'm a Fedora, RedHat and CentOS user. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55de3b48.1060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Only in the last couple of versions and it can be disabled, which is not the case with other "products". On 26/08/15 16:18, Alan Bourke wrote: Ubuntu does too, although I'm guessing you use a different distro. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55de1447.9060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Your OS should be like your wife, it shouldn't be allowed to testify against you :P On 24/08/15 02:40, Jerry Wolper wrote: Well, pirates get what they deserve. I'm far more concerned about the "false positives" where MS decides VFP software named YourApp.EXE is pirated and disable it. Call me a hopeless romantic, but I prefer my operating system to, you know, operate the system, not to worry about what software or data I might have on the machine. I'd also strongly prefer that it not report back on me to anybody. -Jerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55dbad61.7070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
True, but at least I know google is selling my queries. On the other hand the OS may sell.. On 14/08/15 16:29, Stephen Russell wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: On 8/14/2015 3:09 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2015-08-14 14:02, Ted Roche wrote: ... free to be browsed by police departments, potential employers, insurance companies, and anyone willing to pay a few dollars to look you up. That seems very paranoid and I seriously doubt likely to happen. Am I being too naive? In my opinion, yes. -- Considering everything that is available about you today in is not an OS that is doing it. Google is the most passionate about selling your digital soul. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55ce4c9d.5030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Why Windows 10 Sucks..
Has anyone tried isolating 10 from the web for a couple of months (as in a VM)? Would be nice to see if it complains. In a VM you could surf from within your host. On 13/08/15 11:46, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote: The solution is very simple : just use Linux as main OS and use Win10 only in VirtualBox, as I do. This way you can use Windows only for some work necessities and Linux for the rest. It's the safest choice, plus you can make snapshots of Virtual machines just in case you need to recover something. El 13/8/2015 4:16 p. m., "Ted Roche" escribió: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: So basically unless you're on the sort of version that corporate users use, you'll have updates trickling on the whole time and there won't be 'line in the sand' service packs any more. Well, I would be using the Pro version, so I'd have some control. But MS spies on everything that's typed, makes it more difficult to install some software (I prefer a custom HOSTS file, for example, and a password manager that won't work with Edge browser, etc.) and would prefer to have a lot more control of my environment, so I'm unlikely to switch back to Windows as my primary OS, just use it for VFP and some client work. >From what I understand, from a marketing perspective, there will not be something called "Service Pack 1" but that is a marketing message and not the reality that there's going to be a mess of patches over the first couple of months, and the idea that MS is saving up a big batch of them cleanly integrated together plus some features that didn't make the first release for a more carefully controlled release *not called Service Pack One* just seems like good engineering practices.. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55ccd9d1.6050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: LAST PASS Hacked
Ken keeps them folded in his wallet, the whole bunch of nude photos :P On 20/06/15 01:59, Geoff wrote: It's the same as the nude photos hacked on the cloud. Are they any safer on someone else's server than your home computer - which is turned off most of the time anyhow? Of course, not taking nude photos and putting them ANYWHERE that isn't encrypted is perhaps a more sensible idea or even... not taking them at all. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015 9:45 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: LAST PASS Hacked http://lifehacker.com/lastpass-hacked-time-to-change-your-master-passwo rd-1711463571 Anything that's in the "cloud" can be hacked. My advice: unless there is an essential, functional reason that is much more serious than personal convenience to put something there, don't. You're only asking for trouble. In the case of passwords: Do you really think it's safer to keep your passwords on somebody's server that is potentially connected to every person who has access to a computer on the internet, than to just keep them on a piece of paper folded up in your wallet? Wallets are "portable" too. When are people going to stop this magical thinking about computers? Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55855311.7000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] All OSs are malware
Verifiable? LOL An MCP in the encryption area told me personally some 15 years ago (this is not hearsay), he had to send his source code and received executable code. He is top notch, I won't reveal his name. As for "verifiable" or "legitimate" you may believe my word or not, don't really care. On 06/06/15 12:13, Ted Roche wrote: No, Ricardo, I believe when Alan said "Source?" he meant: Can you be provide a verifiable, legitimate citation to your claim that the NSA gets Microsoft's encryption source code and ships it back to them as object code? I'd be interested in reading that too. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: Yes, the NSA compiles it. I guess they just check it's properly coded and then compile it so that you may have better security. On 05/06/15 11:43, Alan Bourke wrote: All cryptographic code goes as source code to NSA and is returned as object code to be used by windows Does it? Source? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55732523.1000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] All OSs are malware
Yes, the NSA compiles it. I guess they just check it's properly coded and then compile it so that you may have better security. On 05/06/15 11:43, Alan Bourke wrote: All cryptographic code goes as source code to NSA and is returned as object code to be used by windows Does it? Source? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/557300a6.9080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] All OSs are malware
All cryptographic code goes as source code to NSA and is returned as object code to be used by windows. So draw your own conclusions about what's going on there. I'm concerned about privacy and ownership of my machine (and data) and I'm using Ubuntu Linux. Next time I have to change Linux version I'll probably go back to Debian. On 04/06/15 08:33, Ted Roche wrote: It's worthwhile to read the original op-ed, and consider the message, regardless of the messenger: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/22/malware-viruses-companies-preinstall Some good points in there. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Ted Roche wrote: Well, sometimes it takes an extremist to point out a fundamental truth. Recently I had to do a project on a brand-new Win 8.1 machine, never before touched, and wanted to see what happened when I just stuck with the default settings, as I know many of my users would. I was astounded by all the EULAs I had to agree with, and the software defaults were all to use MS cloud and MS remote services just to operate the local machine: my user account is stored on some MS login, my documents and pictures are stored on a OneDrive 'cloud' and MS updates the machine whenever it feels like it. So, somewhere on a cloud somewhere is a record of every time I logged in or out, or ran specific software, or took a picture (along, no doubt with location information), all kept safe from prying eyes by... who? Stallman is a difficult man, on good days, but he is/was a brilliant programmer, without whom the GNU toolchain would not have been around to build Linux. His insights into why we want the source code to the software that runs our computers are very valid, and worth consideration. I have been a proud FSF member for years. (http://www.fsf.org) On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Privacy is of course an ever-growing concern but Stallman is as usual just way too far over on the paranoid nutjob end of the scale. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/557061cb.90...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recomendations for a developer laptop
I don't get this, my Dell will boot Ubuntu in 60-70 seconds. Then my laptop will be on all day, unless suspended, coming up from suspension takes about 3 seconds. Why would I spend hard earned extra money to save 60 seconds on a 10 to 16 hour day? Doesn't make sense to me. As for general performance, an i5 with my 1Tb HD are more than what I need for everyday work. I don't edit video, and unless you are recommending a SSD drive for playing I don't think it's money well spent. On 19/05/15 08:13, Peter Cushing wrote: On 18/05/2015 12:32, Ted Roche wrote: HDD: not all that important, as nearly everything we run is mirrored on the LAN and backed-up to the internet. If I was buying one now I wouldn't consider anything less than an SSD drive, just for the general performance increase especially booting. Even if you have a small boot drive and a larger main drive. Peter This communication is intended for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. The contents are confidential and may be protected in law. Unauthorised use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or email. www.whisperingsmith.com Whispering Smith Ltd Head Office:61 Great Ducie Street, Manchester M3 1RR. Tel:0161 831 3700 Fax:0161 831 3715 London Office:17-19 Foley Street, London W1W 6DW Tel:0207 299 7960 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/555b2f13.1060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2015
Congratulations Virgil !!! Best of luck. On 01/05/15 12:37, Kurt Wendt wrote: Ha ha - funny you should ask that. I too was Absolutely SHOCKED to see there were NO [OT] messages this month! And - I think Virgil will not be as active in the forum - since I saw he has a new fulltime job. So - Virgil - Congrats on getting that - as I know you really needed it! Happy TGIF Day everyone! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 11:20 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2015 I haven't been on the non-tech list for years, where's Michael Madigan gone? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/55439ef8.80...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] A Haunting in Connecticut
On 30/06/12 13:37, Publius Maximus wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: >> On 30/06/12 07:42, Michael Madigan wrote: >>> Ted's going to need an exorcist if you keep posting OT items incorrectly. >>> It has to have brackets around the OT. >>> >> Minimus, he's talking to you. > No, Dr. Lecter, he's talking *about* Ted. > > He's talking about Ted *to* you when he says "if YOU keep posting OT items incorrectly". Unless Ted is the OP and you *forgot* to cite his original post. *Cheers* *Hannibal* ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fef2f6d.8080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] A Haunting in Connecticut
On 30/06/12 07:42, Michael Madigan wrote: > Ted's going to need an exorcist if you keep posting OT items incorrectly. > It has to have brackets around the OT. > Minimus, he's talking to you. > - Original Message - > From: Ricardo Araoz > To: ProFox Email List > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: OT: A Haunting in Connecticut > > On 30/06/12 02:11, Publius Maximus wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote: >>> On cable 846 as I write. Here's the description: >>> >>> "A dermatologist and a clairvoyant clear a Connecticut house of >>> unwanted spirits." What the f@#!k is the clairvoyant supposed to do? >>> Where do people get these ideas? >> The notion of unclean spirits has been around for centuries, and is >> entirely biblical. The word 'Ricardo' comes to mind... >> > Ok, ok, I get your hint. I'll take a shower. > > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fef26f1.1080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: OT: A Haunting in Connecticut
On 30/06/12 02:11, Publius Maximus wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote: >> On cable 846 as I write. Here's the description: >> >> "A dermatologist and a clairvoyant clear a Connecticut house of >> unwanted spirits." What the f@#!k is the clairvoyant supposed to do? >> Where do people get these ideas? > The notion of unclean spirits has been around for centuries, and is > entirely biblical. The word 'Ricardo' comes to mind... > Ok, ok, I get your hint. I'll take a shower. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feea3f7.5090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The sky is falling
On 29/06/12 12:53, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote >> They don't have to lay anyone off. The affordable care act makes it >> acceptable to end employer funded health care and put the onus on the >> employee as they will find a number of affordable plans at their disposal. > This is the way it should be. There will be no reform of health care > until all of the people are paying for it themselves. It is absurd > that employers pay for health care. As long as it is "free" to the > folks that still have fancy plans (employees of big companies, the > governments and union folks), they will not care about costs. > Bull! Employers will always pay for health care once the free market comes into play. If employees are required to pay for it they will always make the math on how much money they effectively get into their pockets before accepting the job. So in the end employers will pay (of course they will transfer this cost to consumers as usual). ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feddda0.1040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Big Brother with ProFox celebrities
On 29/06/12 11:51, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > You've seen that show "Big Brother" right? I'm thinking of who would > be hilarious (in a train-wreck sense) to see in such a contest in the > same house. Ricardo, Pete, Madigan, Leland, John VP (the Amarosa of > the bunch)who else? Oh, and Steve Russell for comedic effect. Not > me--I'd be too boring. My money's on Steve to win. At the very least, > we'd see some good bbq. :-) LOL. No weapons allowed! We'll need knives though... for the bbq. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feddc9a.7080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Re: True purpose of Fast & Furious
On 29/06/12 05:45, Michael Madigan wrote: > Thank God Ricardo's words of wisdom are being archived for future generations > to enjoy. > Don't like it? Tough! You may leave OT whenever you want Michaela. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feddc27.90...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Re: True purpose of Fast & Furious
On 28/06/12 19:06, Michael Oke, II wrote: > Actually, you 'allow' yourself to do this because you are an asshole. I'll > ask you this once to not speak about my children or my family. Or what? > If you took the time to notice, I chided him in a re-subjected email. I did. I also noticed you were mocking the people who asked you (in a very nice and polite way) to keep your shit off their plates. > Of course you didn't notice, you were too busy being an asshole. > > As for braying, please don't confuse my posts with the diarrhea that emanates > from your keyboard. > I'll ask you this once to not speak about *EITHER* about my *diarrhoea* or my keyboard. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fecdae2.5030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Re: True purpose of Fast & Furious
On 28/06/12 17:02, Michael Oke, II wrote: > You are in trouble with the OT cops. > You are an ass, your son seems to be a half ass (that's because he's too dumb to be a full ass), and this is probably a family trait, and they are all asses. And you know why do I allow myself to tell you this?.. Because you think there should be no rules to avoid bothering those who don't want to hear you bray. So if you should not obey any rules, not even those of courtesy. Why should I?... .. . ASSHOLE!!! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fecd285.8010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Here's one for Pete - Gay Rights Icon arrested on child porn charges.
You mean because I'm not after boys like you are? hahaha On 27/06/12 19:56, Michael Madigan wrote: > I'm chatting with a eunuch right now. > > > - Original Message - > From: Ricardo Araoz > To: ProFox Email List > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] Here's one for Pete - Gay Rights Icon arrested on child > porn charges. > > On 27/06/12 14:36, Michael Madigan wrote: >> Political capital my ass, it's people like you who allow this to happen in >> the first place. A hugely disproportionate number of gays are involved in >> child molestation, yet people like you champion the cause of gays working >> closely with children. Shame on you . >> >> > Nice thinking! > Also a huge number of heterosexuals are involved in child molestation. > So I propose only eunuchs are allowed to work closely with children. > Do I have to explain "eunuch" or do you have your Webster at hand? > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feb98ba.30...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Here's one for Pete - Gay Rights Icon arrested on child porn charges.
On 27/06/12 14:36, Michael Madigan wrote: > Political capital my ass, it's people like you who allow this to happen in > the first place. A hugely disproportionate number of gays are involved in > child molestation, yet people like you champion the cause of gays working > closely with children. Shame on you . > > Nice thinking! Also a huge number of heterosexuals are involved in child molestation. So I propose only eunuchs are allowed to work closely with children. Do I have to explain "eunuch" or do you have your Webster at hand? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4feb8aae.9050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] RE: How to unsubscribe?
On 26/06/12 02:14, Adam Buckland wrote: > Pete, > > A tip hereIf you want to avoid having An*l Sex then it's simple; stop > sleeping with gay men... > > ROTFLMAO !!! He can't help it! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fea325a.90...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 2012 plug-in Prius gets 13 miles range on just battery power
On 24/06/12 06:44, Michael Madigan wrote: > What a tremendous breakthrough!So the ass-hat who buys this has to pay an > electrician to either run a dedicated 15 AMP 110 V outlet or a 220 outlet, > all for a whopping 13 mile range without gas. > > That's 6.5 miles out and 6,5 miles back. > > Your mileage may vary. > > Just don't turn on the air conditioning, the heater, the lights or the radio. > > > http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in/ > > I can just picture another moron making fun of the Wright brothers because they only flew 100 yards and rose a few feet in the air. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe74083.2090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The Global Warming house of cards is collapsing.
On 24/06/12 04:48, Michael Madigan wrote: > ouyay eallyray areway away oronmay > > LOL And isn't it painful that a moron beats you every time? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe73fdb.5050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The Global Warming house of cards is collapsing.
Were my two sentences too obscure for you boys? Don't worry, I'll try to simplify it. Would you like the 300 word vocabulary version? Ok. Before we start. Do you boys understand the meaning of "irony"? On 23/06/12 22:44, Michael Madigan wrote: > It makes lots of sense to him and the voices in his head. > > > > From: "Michael Oke, II" > To: ProFox Email List > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] The Global Warming house of cards is collapsing. > > You know that you make zero sense, right? > > > Michael Oke, II > 661-349-6221 > > Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated > recipient. > > On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> On 23/06/12 11:45, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>> So much for settled science. An independent scientist is one whose word I'd >>> be more inclined to listen to. >>> >> And of course everybody knows that "inclination" is a BIG thing in >> science. Specially yours. >> Also of course everybody knows science is "settled", it does not change, >> just like the bible. >> >> >> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe6c316.6030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] The Global Warming house of cards is collapsing.
On 23/06/12 11:45, Michael Oke, II wrote: > So much for settled science. An independent scientist is one whose word I'd > be more inclined to listen to. > And of course everybody knows that "inclination" is a BIG thing in science. Specially yours. Also of course everybody knows science is "settled", it does not change, just like the bible. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe5e9f5.6050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Last gasp of race hustling
On 23/06/12 06:46, Michael Madigan wrote: > At what point does this stop? We've had a Black President, Attorney > General, Secretary of State, National Security Advisor, head of the Joint > Chiefs, Surgeon General, Generals, Senators, Mayors, Governors, Congressmen, > CEOs, CFOs, > > At what point can we cut the "America is a racist country" crap? > When Petey and you die? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe59ea4.9040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] This should further their cause.
On 22/06/12 20:18, Michael Oke, II wrote: > I'd be extremely careful with that line of thinking. What line of thinking? Are you sure I am the designated recipient of this and all messages? > > Michael Oke, II > 661-349-6221 > > Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated > recipient. > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> On 22/06/12 18:13, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>> FYI, my son typed that into my phone and I haven't bothered to change it. >> >> You mean to say your son is the . >> >> >>> >>> Michael Oke, II >>> 661-349-6221 >>> >>> Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated >>> recipient. >>> >>> On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: >>> >>>> On 22/06/12 16:51, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>>>> Now that is logic at work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Oke, II >>>>> 661-349-6221 >>>>> >>>>> Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated >>>>> recipient. >>>>> >>>> Logic from someone that actually states that the mail is intended to >>>> whom it is intended. LOL >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe4fe0e.3080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] This should further their cause.
On 22/06/12 18:13, Michael Oke, II wrote: > FYI, my son typed that into my phone and I haven't bothered to change it. You mean to say your son is the . > > > Michael Oke, II > 661-349-6221 > > Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated > recipient. > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> On 22/06/12 16:51, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>> Now that is logic at work. >>> >>> >>> Michael Oke, II >>> 661-349-6221 >>> >>> Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated >>> recipient. >>> >> Logic from someone that actually states that the mail is intended to >> whom it is intended. LOL >> >> >> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe4fb6f.9000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] This should further their cause.
On 22/06/12 16:51, Michael Oke, II wrote: > Now that is logic at work. > > > Michael Oke, II > 661-349-6221 > > Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated > recipient. > Logic from someone that actually states that the mail is intended to whom it is intended. LOL ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe4df69.3000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - 10 reasons to ban gay weddings..
On 22/06/12 16:43, Michael Madigan wrote: > Adam is a Gay American. LOL > > > - Original Message - > From: Pete Theisen > To: ProFox Email List > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] - 10 reasons to ban gay weddings.. > > On 06/22/2012 11:34 AM, Gérard Lochon wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Adam Buckland" >>> 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never >>> adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the >>> service-sector economy or longer life spans. >> I LOVE american humour ! > Hi Gerard, > > Is satire humor? Is Adam American? Did little puff arsehole here confuse satire with irony? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe4df00.8020...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - 10 reasons to ban gay weddings..
On 22/06/12 16:30, Michael Madigan wrote: > Here's my list > > Top 3 reasons why homosexual marriage is a bad idea > > 1. Because 3% of deviants shouldn't get to decide what the other 97% do LOL 3% wish to decide what 3% do. Is it too complicated for you to understand? Should I try to simplify it? > 2. Because there's nothing natural about 2 men having sex OMG! It is industrial! > 3. Because Europe thinks it's a good idea Do you always think based on other people's ideas? > > > > From: Adam Buckland > To: "ProFox Email List (profox@leafe.com)" > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: [OT] - 10 reasons to ban gay weddings.. > > Top ten reasons given to ban same-sex marriages:- > 1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things > like eyeglasses, polyester and air conditioning. > 2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging > around tall people will make you tall. > 3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy > behaviour. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal > standing and can sign a marriage contract. > 4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all > like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women > are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still > illegal. > 5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; > the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' would be destroyed. > 6) The only valid marriages are those which produce children. Gay couples, > infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our > orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. > 7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only > raise straight children. > 8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the > values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have > only one religion in America. > 9) Children can never succeed without both a male and a female role model at > home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise > children. > 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt > to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector > economy or longer life spans. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe4deaf.4040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - 10 reasons to ban gay weddings..
On 21/06/12 17:20, Adam Buckland wrote: > Top ten reasons given to ban same-sex marriages:- > 1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things > like eyeglasses, polyester and air conditioning. > 2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging > around tall people will make you tall. > 3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy > behaviour. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal > standing and can sign a marriage contract. > 4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all > like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women > are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still > illegal. > 5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; > the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' would be destroyed. > 6) The only valid marriages are those which produce children. Gay couples, > infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our > orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. > 7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only > raise straight children. > 8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the > values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have > only one religion in America. > 9) Children can never succeed without both a male and a female role model at > home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise > children. > 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt > to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector > economy or longer life spans. > LOL Good one mate! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe48fc1.2080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] El valioso tiempo de los maduros
On 19/06/12 10:26, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: > Bien traduzido, en portugues le sona bien tambien. > Sorry my written Spanish sucks... > > E. > The text actually belongs to Brazilian poet Mario de Andrade. Maybe you'll be able to google the original text. Tu español es seguramente mejor que mi portugués. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fe0f654.1090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] El valioso tiempo de los maduros
Sorry but the translation I found sucked. So just for those of you who dig Spanish, maybe this will echo inside. "Conté mis años y descubrí, que tengo menos tiempo para vivir de aquí en adelante, que el que viví hasta ahora... Me siento como aquel chico que ganó un paquete de golosinas: las primeras las comió con agrado, pero, cuando percibió que quedaban pocas, comenzó a saborearlas profundamente. Ya no tengo tiempo para reuniones interminables, donde se discuten estatutos, normas, procedimientos y reglamentos internos, sabiendo que no se va a lograr nada. Ya no tengo tiempo para soportar absurdas personas que, a pesar de su edad cronológica, no han crecido. Ya no tengo tiempo para lidiar con mediocridades. No quiero estar en reuniones donde desfilan egos inflados. No tolero a maniobreros y ventajeros. Me molestan los envidiosos, que tratan de desacreditar a los más capaces, para apropiarse de sus lugares, talentos y logros. Detesto, si soy testigo, de los defectos que genera la lucha por un majestuoso cargo. Las personas no discuten contenidos, apenas los títulos. Mi tiempo es escaso como para discutir títulos. Quiero la esencia, mi alma tiene prisa... Sin muchas golosinas en el paquete... Quiero vivir al lado de gente humana, muy humana. Que sepa reír, de sus errores. Que no se envanezca, con sus triunfos. Que no se considere electa, antes de hora. Que no huya, de sus responsabilidades. Que defienda, la dignidad humana. Y que desee tan sólo andar del lado de la verdad y la honradez. Lo esencial es lo que hace que la vida valga la pena. Quiero rodearme de gente, que sepa tocar el corazón de las personas... Gente a quien los golpes duros de la vida, le enseñó a crecer con toques suaves en el alma. Sí... tengo prisa... por vivir con la intensidad que sólo la madurez puede dar. Pretendo no desperdiciar parte alguna de las golosinas que me quedan... Estoy seguro que serán más exquisitas que las que hasta ahora he comido. Mi meta es llegar al final satisfecho y en paz con mis seres queridos y con mi conciencia. Espero que la tuya sea la misma, porque de cualquier manera llegarás..." Mario de Andrade ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fdfa6e1.1010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] He invented the Web.
On 16/06/12 12:20, Michael Oke, II wrote: [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fdcb33c.9010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] He invented the Web.
On 16/06/12 12:51, Michael Madigan wrote: [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fdcb2ff.9070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] He invented the Web.
On 16/06/12 10:26, Ed Leafe wrote: > On Jun 15, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: > >> That said, no where did I say that he 'claimed to have invented the >> Internet'. > Kurt wrote: " I was skeptical by the title of this message - since many have > busted on Gore for claiming he invented The Web." > > Your reply: "Gore's claim was about the Internet not just the web. > Berners-Lee, while a bit nuts, is the real deal." > > I'll leave it for those who are familiar with logic to parse your reply. > What does logic have to do with his replies? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fdca37f.50...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Beauty Pageant rigged?
On 15/06/12 17:00, Michael Madigan wrote: > Obama's doing a fine job, what was I thinking? > > Finally! I knew sooner or later you'd take your head out of your arse and take a look. Now, do you need some soap? To wash the shit out of your ears I mean. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fdbb8e5.7070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Traitor-in-Chief
On 09/06/12 15:30, Michael Madigan wrote: > How did someone with ties to known terrorists like Bill Ayers get a security > clearance in the first place? H. really! How did he.h.. Is the NSA incompetent? Or is Madigan an idiot? Tough question mate. > > > - Original Message - > From: Pete Theisen > To: ProFox Email List > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 4:32 AM > Subject: [OT] Traitor-in-Chief > > Hi Everybody, > > http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/leaker-chief_646839.html?page=1 > > Turns out the boogieman of "national security" is an insider. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fd39b84.4090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Solar Plane flying today
On 05/06/12 10:39, Kurt Wendt wrote: > Hey Pete - thanks for that link. The Animation - that zooms around the > plane - and the Targets that pop up info on the parts - is very > interesting indeed!!! > > -K- > > -Original Message- > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On > Behalf Of Pete Theisen > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:11 AM > > Hi Everybody, > http://www.solarimpulse.com/en/airplane/hb-sia/ > > Guess he's up now . . . So what's the big deal. We've had solar boats (that's sailboats for you hillbillies) for millenia. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fcece62.6010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 05/06/12 23:51, Nicholas Geti wrote: > See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot?s=t for definition of > "idiot" But it was YOU who started talking about MY definition of idiot. So to now come up with a dictionary is, shall we say, idiotic. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Araoz" > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough > > >> On 05/06/12 10:20, Nicholas Geti wrote: >>> Your definition of idiot is a lot different than mine. >> My definition is pretty simple. >> Anyone who states that NO idiot can get rich is, by definition, an idiot. >> If he also thinks that ANY idiot that inherits it will loose it, then he >> is by definition an idiot squared. >> >> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ricardo Araoz" >>> To: "ProFox Email List" >>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough >>> >>> >>>> On 24/05/12 15:57, Nicholas Geti wrote: >>>>> But you called her an idiot. Idiots don't get rich and if they inherit >>>>> it >>>>> they lose it fast. >>>>> >>>> That's an idiotic statement. >>>> Idiots do get rich. And if they inherit it, some of them don't loose it >>>> fast enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fcecddc.9030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Get Up Stand Up
On 05/06/12 16:42, Michael Madigan wrote: > Let's get this straight, waterboarding was bad, drone attacks are good? > I'll get it straight for you. If you waterboard, then you are a torturer. If you kill your enemy when there's a state of war then you are ok. If you arrest (or kill if he resists with danger to your life) and send to a judge a terrorist when you are not at war then you are ok. If you MURDER (be it with drone plane, sniper, bomb, rocket etc.) someone be it terrorist or not, then you are either a murderer or a terrorist yourself. Easy, right? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fce8539.1010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 05/06/12 10:20, Nicholas Geti wrote: > Your definition of idiot is a lot different than mine. My definition is pretty simple. Anyone who states that NO idiot can get rich is, by definition, an idiot. If he also thinks that ANY idiot that inherits it will loose it, then he is by definition an idiot squared. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Araoz" > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough > > >> On 24/05/12 15:57, Nicholas Geti wrote: >>> But you called her an idiot. Idiots don't get rich and if they inherit it >>> they lose it fast. >>> >> That's an idiotic statement. >> Idiots do get rich. And if they inherit it, some of them don't loose it >> fast enough. >> >> >> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fce83a9.2010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot
On 31/05/12 18:00, Michael Madigan wrote: > http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/young_obama.jpg > > You mean because in USA you usually vote idiots for president? Village idiot -> USA President hahahahaha ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fc7ff47.7030...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 24/05/12 18:43, Michael Madigan wrote: > Street whores are more ethical than Joe Biden. > I believe him. He's dated them all ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbfa08a.4000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 24/05/12 15:57, Nicholas Geti wrote: > But you called her an idiot. Idiots don't get rich and if they inherit it > they lose it fast. > That's an idiotic statement. Idiots do get rich. And if they inherit it, some of them don't loose it fast enough. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbfa060.5000...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 24/05/12 03:56, Michael Madigan wrote: > I bet her net worth is now higher than Clueless Joe too. So *that* is your measure of a human being. How much money they've got. Hardly surprising. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9fa2.8090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 24/05/12 00:26, Michael Madigan wrote: > They keep calling Sarah an idiot, are they honestly going to tell us that Joe > Biden is smarter than her? > If he is not, then by your logic she is less of an idiot? So *that's* how you finished school! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9f4f.7080...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 23/05/12 17:31, Michael Madigan wrote: > "Generally speaking - I don't watch the news much." > > I can tell. > > C'mon! You can't tell right from left! Let alone tie your own shoes. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9efa.5050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 23/05/12 14:44, Kurt Wendt wrote: > Generally speaking - I don't watch the news much. Its almost always about > death, killings, bombings and other Bad stuff. Hardly ever any Good news! > > When Bush got into office (of course part of the election was Fixed!) - and > then we had to see him on TV - it was EMBARRASING! Our country had the nerve > to put someone in the White House who sounded on TV - when he gave speeches - > like a Southern HillBilly! Just the way he spoke. It was LUDICROUS! Well... actually a *northern* hillbilly. We are not *that* stupid here! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9eb8.50...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 23/05/12 12:08, Kurt Wendt wrote: > Excellent response there Ricardo - Touche! > > I actually changed my subscription to the list a few days back - so I > can see the [OT] communications. However, so far I find it frustrating > since it seems about the ONLY Topic on here is Obama Bashing - as well > as Bashing of Dem's! Which is a really sad state of affairs. Its one of > the reasons I hate to get involved with political discussions. > > It seems that EVERY DAMNED Time a Dem gets to be President - the ENTIRE > Time the Rep's keep trying to Bash the Pres. The "Peronistas" do the same here. I think the behaviour characterizes people only concerned with power, not with what they might do with it. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9e48.7050...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Fox News Viwers are less informed than those who watch no TV...
On 24/05/12 18:50, Michael Madigan wrote: > They're just suggesting that a study by a terrible university isn't worth > much. He's "just suggesting" that they should question the study, not the university. Jsas! I'm getting tired of translating from English to Moron > > > > - Original Message - > From: Ed Leafe > To: ProFox Email List > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] - Fox News Viwers are less informed than those who watch no > TV... > > On May 24, 2012, at 2:58 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > >> Fox News responded by focusing on Fairleigh Dickinson's academic record > Ah, the old ad hominem argument. Glad to see that they stay true to form! > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9de7.7090...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Fox News Viwers are less informed than those who watch no TV...
On 24/05/12 19:14, Michael Madigan wrote: > I wouldn't let your average NPR listener wash my car. > They might find out you are a puff? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9d8c.7010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Filthy Bill at it again
On 24/05/12 13:41, Kurt Wendt wrote: > I think you're just JEALOUS Pete - as I'm sure you would LOVE To be > between those 2 women like he is in that Pic! I sure would!!! > He's not. He doesn't like women. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbf9c58.8010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Can't lie well enough or fast enough
On 22/05/12 16:12, Michael Madigan wrote: > Anybody who votes for Obama a second time is a MORON. > And what's YOUR excuse? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fbc1412.1060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Bammer cartoon
On 11/05/12 04:48, Michael Madigan wrote: > All Limbaugh's wives were heterosexual women. > > Thanks! And me here thinking his wives were lesbian women with a twist for masochism. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4facf49f.10...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Game of Thrones fans?
On 10/05/12 18:02, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: > I got four books, there is one missing, the last one. > And I watched all episodes, some I downloaded... > Big fan. > Got all books, watched all episodes. Not liking this second year though. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fac3839.6070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Bammer cartoon
On 10/05/12 12:35, Jean Laeremans wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: >> Jean Laeremans wrote: >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Pete Theisen >>> wrote: back in Jesus' days. Back then the 1 - 2% were content to privately sodomize and infect each other without public endorsement. >>> Not your strong point ancient history methinks... >> Hi Jean, >> >> I have 24 credits in Theology back in the day when credits meant >> something. How many Theology credits do you have that you would be >> qualified to judge me? >> -- > I meant history not fairy tales. > LOL He's just an old choir boy that got abused by a priest, never able to accept his latent homosexuality though. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fac37d5.8010...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Bammer cartoon
On 10/05/12 12:21, Jean Laeremans wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Pete Theisen wrote: >> back in Jesus' days. Back then the 1 - 2% were content to privately >> sodomize and infect each other without public endorsement. > Not your strong point ancient history methinks... > Not his strong point being a human being methinks... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fac377d.2060...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.