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Thanks, Kevin! I'll check it out. Mike Kevin Cully wrote: Let me chime in with an endorsement of Xojo. Free to try out development for Desktop, Web and soon for iOS native applications. Desktop allows for development on Windows, Mac and Linux. Web apps are great for consumption on phones and tablets. To compile and deploys stand-alone applications, you'll need a license. I find the licensing costs to be reasonable. As far as the language goes, it is very much like VFP: Object oriented, single inheritance model. Did I mention it natively has threads? I think most VFP developers could be comfortable within 2 days. http://xojo.com On 12/02/2014 05:53 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: I'm in a similar situation now where I'm good with using VFP as a fat client for Windows desktops, but tablets and phones are becoming more and more desirable (and useful) for some of the tasks my fat-app does. (I hear the wolves at the door and realize I can't ignore them forever.) Thanks to others on this list I've also been making a serious effort towards Python, but I confess I like the fences that VFP provides (single IDE, lots of ways to do stuff, but a core VFP-way to do it.) While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go. Not looking for extensive reporting of your investigation prior to choosing B4Android, just a succinct sales pitch (besides the obvious price advantages!) [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/547f5136.40...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Basic 4 iDevices
Let me chime in with an endorsement of Xojo. Free to try out development for Desktop, Web and soon for iOS native applications. Desktop allows for development on Windows, Mac and Linux. Web apps are great for consumption on phones and tablets. To compile and deploys stand-alone applications, you'll need a license. I find the licensing costs to be reasonable. As far as the language goes, it is very much like VFP: Object oriented, single inheritance model. Did I mention it natively has threads? I think most VFP developers could be comfortable within 2 days. http://xojo.com On 12/02/2014 05:53 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: I'm in a similar situation now where I'm good with using VFP as a fat client for Windows desktops, but tablets and phones are becoming more and more desirable (and useful) for some of the tasks my fat-app does. (I hear the wolves at the door and realize I can't ignore them forever.) Thanks to others on this list I've also been making a serious effort towards Python, but I confess I like the fences that VFP provides (single IDE, lots of ways to do stuff, but a core VFP-way to do it.) While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go. Not looking for extensive reporting of your investigation prior to choosing B4Android, just a succinct sales pitch (besides the obvious price advantages!) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/547f35bd.5050...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Basic 4 iDevices
On Dec 2, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: > Thanks to others on this list I've also been making a serious effort towards > Python, but I confess I like the fences that VFP provides (single IDE, lots > of ways to do stuff, but a core VFP-way to do it.) While Python is obviously > flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm standing in a huge open prairie with > no idea which way to go. That was the motivation behind Paul and I creating Dabo 10 years ago (yes, it's been that long!). Python is a very flexible language that can do just about anything; in that way it's much like C. You need to have a task in mind, and then figure out how to do it. If the goal was to re-create the VFP solution domain, there was nothing specific out there, so we found all the various parts and put them together. -- Ed Leafe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/pgp-signature --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/b6c675d7-20e2-4853-abec-282a51207...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, at 08:49 AM, Allen wrote: > unlike windows, that what works on one version may not on another. *cough* -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1417599977.2767020.198223905.1eabc...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The company has a neat product, some things need working on. The biggest problem is Android changes, and it seems, unlike windows, that what works on one version may not on another. I'm not certain, I'm sure Stephen Russell will know better, but maybe for what you want HTML5 might be better. My first attempt is connection with a .net web service. If it helps take a look. Its built for android 4.4.2 as that's what's on my phone. The apk is at www.gatwicksoftware.com/files/gsl_ws.apk Very simple call to a web service and display. Al -Original Message- Most impressive to me about B4Android is that the company seems to be aggressively moving forward, although appearances can be deceiving. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001c01d00ed6$088ccda0$19a668e0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Great feedback, Al. Much thanks. Given the constraints of a cellphone (4") or tablet (10") I'm not thinking "port my Windows app to Android." But my clients want things like a way for an employee who is not near a desktop computer to look up inventory availability, prices, maybe even look up and email-forward an invoice to a customer. With 4G cellphone throughput now being so widespread, all of these functions have significant value and use. Some of my competition have been adding such things to their offerings and my customers are starting to ask Qs. By the way, probably the biggest kick in the butt for me was last week when on vacation. We were in a Nike Factory Outlet store and they were using some incredible little battery operated Verifone gadgets...about the size of a barcode inventory scanner to process sales. NO CASH REGISTER (if you were paying by CCard.) They just scanned the merchandise barcodes, then swiped your CCard, then had you sign with your fingernail. If you wanted a printed receipt, there were a couple of thermal printers nearby that were shared by all the terminals, or they could email it to you. The best part was that the employee could process CCard sales (which are 90% or more of all sales) anywhere in the building, or in front of the building on the sidewalk, in seconds, with one hand and no cord. Okay, obviously I don't get out of the office enough, but THAT kind of technology on a tablet is doable with a Square reader. The hard part for my applications is that I need to capture name, address, phone, and copious notes about delivery, so there will be SOME tap-typing (or voice input...). Most impressive to me about B4Android is that the company seems to be aggressively moving forward, although appearances can be deceiving. Thanks again. Mike Allen wrote: Hi foxgang I tried it, well purchased it a while ago when Dave first mentioned it. But recently I tried to make a simple app that called a web service and display the reply. Ok I did some basic way back so I have some idea. But with searches for what I needed it was fairly easy to do. So I now have my app on the phone working in a few hours. BTW it is not a replacement for VFP, it's an Android development so will not take over your VFP development. However you can easily make web services in VFP or .net that you can call. Al ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/547ecade.4020...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Basic 4 iDevices
Hi foxgang I tried it, well purchased it a while ago when Dave first mentioned it. But recently I tried to make a simple app that called a web service and display the reply. Ok I did some basic way back so I have some idea. But with searches for what I needed it was fairly easy to do. So I now have my app on the phone working in a few hours. BTW it is not a replacement for VFP, it's an Android development so will not take over your VFP development. However you can easily make web services in VFP or .net that you can call. Al -Original Message- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001501d00ed1$2656a270$7303e750$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:29 PM, AndyHC wrote: > On 03/12/2014 04:23, Mike Copeland wrote: > >> ... While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm >> standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go. >> > +1 > I've never made it much past Hello World maybe a simple form with an "ok' button on it... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/capt54rzxsh1bnrb2aq0wbbevgn6w+rrmkdlm2k-pfd9b075...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 03/12/2014 04:23, Mike Copeland wrote: ... While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go. +1 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/547e9fa8.6020...@hawthorncottage.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Dave, I know you've already explained this before, but could you repeat how you came to the conclusion that B4Android (or the other variations) was the platform you wanted to jump to from VFP? I'm in a similar situation now where I'm good with using VFP as a fat client for Windows desktops, but tablets and phones are becoming more and more desirable (and useful) for some of the tasks my fat-app does. (I hear the wolves at the door and realize I can't ignore them forever.) Thanks to others on this list I've also been making a serious effort towards Python, but I confess I like the fences that VFP provides (single IDE, lots of ways to do stuff, but a core VFP-way to do it.) While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go. Not looking for extensive reporting of your investigation prior to choosing B4Android, just a succinct sales pitch (besides the obvious price advantages!) Thanks for anything you care to share. Mike Copeland Dave Crozier wrote: Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates). The iDE runs on a standard PC and you can either develop using a cloud based MacOSX environment or using a Local MAC with the iOS device attached. I have just converted over my Stock Application here at Flexipol onto iOS in about 2 hours and that time included setting up the IDE for the first time! Now that the same environment/language is available for Android, iOS and Jave (B4J is COMPLETELY FREE!!!) it opens up a huge marketplace for developers. http://www.basic4ppc.com/index.html All versions and free test downloads are available from here. B4i is available at: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/b4i.html for $99 with 2 years updates and $125 if you want to use the Hosted Mac Builder. Definitely Recommended Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/547e42d2.10...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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To be honest, I don't like apple. I don't like being controlled by them. As for the regime, Prague only put on 2lbs so I should be back on course soon. Now Christmas is another thing. I like the idea of a VFPers Prague trip. Or for that matter anywhere. Maybe we can persuade Andy to hold one in India Al -Original Message- P.S Have you started your "Healthy Living" phase after returning from Prague yet, or are you going to live the rest of your life as an "I Don't Care-ist"... lol! At least until after Christmas! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002501d007e5$89164e30$9b42ea90$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: > P.S Have you started your "Healthy Living" phase after returning from > Prague yet, or are you going to live the rest of your life as an "I Don't > Care-ist"... lol! At least until after Christmas! > > Make a wild guess.. LOL A+ jml --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPqLOBzEgUWsRAZPXYZ+_Y0Kv_iXYtYsXcFHg=l1nkbwx7v...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Al, If you use the Remote "MAC hosted environment" provided by Anywhere Software then it is a little more expensive as a one off charge and yes, the APPLE 10% contribution (I Think) for putting your App in the store is just one of those things, unless of course you make it completely free! Dave P.S Have you started your "Healthy Living" phase after returning from Prague yet, or are you going to live the rest of your life as an "I Don't Care-ist"... lol! At least until after Christmas! -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 24 November 2014 12:30 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Basic 4 iDevices I looked at that. There seemed to be extra charges (not them) for compiling if you didn't have an apple,plus you needed a fee to apple to put it on the shop. I thought it was not worth it as android was free and better than IOS. Al -Original Message- Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates). --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab24683b...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Basic 4 iDevices
I looked at that. There seemed to be extra charges (not them) for compiling if you didn't have an apple,plus you needed a fee to apple to put it on the shop. I thought it was not worth it as android was free and better than IOS. Al -Original Message- Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates). --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002101d007e2$59844b70$0c8ce250$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Basic 4 iDevices
Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates). The iDE runs on a standard PC and you can either develop using a cloud based MacOSX environment or using a Local MAC with the iOS device attached. I have just converted over my Stock Application here at Flexipol onto iOS in about 2 hours and that time included setting up the IDE for the first time! Now that the same environment/language is available for Android, iOS and Jave (B4J is COMPLETELY FREE!!!) it opens up a huge marketplace for developers. http://www.basic4ppc.com/index.html All versions and free test downloads are available from here. B4i is available at: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/b4i.html for $99 with 2 years updates and $125 if you want to use the Hosted Mac Builder. Definitely Recommended Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab24683b...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
