Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: >>> Still no luck finding any funding for Dabo? > >> I haven't been looking. That in itself would be a full- >> time pursuit. > > Any significant contributors other than Paul and yourself? Yes, there are several people who have contributed useful parts. One person has taken over the testing, and is writing a ton of unit tests. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
> > Today, yes. Someone mentioned 50 years from now... > Oh, geez. You going to guarantee that we'll be using anything like > we are today in that time frame? 50 years ago computing as we know it > didn't even exist. Exactly. I certainly won't care in 50 years, nor will most here I'm guessing... > > Still no luck finding any funding for Dabo? > I haven't been looking. That in itself would be a full-time pursuit. Any significant contributors other than Paul and yourself? -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: > Today, yes. Someone mentioned 50 years from now... Oh, geez. You going to guarantee that we'll be using anything like we are today in that time frame? 50 years ago computing as we know it didn't even exist. > Still no luck finding any funding for Dabo? I haven't been looking. That in itself would be a full-time pursuit. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > Ouch that sounds painful! It's really no different than most 'shopping cart' designs. Bizobjs are pretty lightweight, so it wouldn't be too much of a burden to keep lots of them around. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
> > You're still assuming the Python language developers > > won't lose interest(or die off, or be bought off, etc.) during the > > lifetime of your app-- and if so, hope that others pick up the torch > > and continue... Python is far bigger than most, but there are a > > **LOT** of dead open source projects out there, simply because people > > decide they have to eat. > I think you forget that many companies see these projects as > critical to their success, and will fund development. IBM puts a lot > of money into supporting PostgreSQL, for example. Google uses Python > extensively, and has hired several of the top people in Python, > including its creator, Guido von Rossum. None of these folks are > going hungry, and Python is continuing to grow and be developed even > faster than before. Today, yes. Someone mentioned 50 years from now... Still no luck finding any funding for Dabo? -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: > The same can happen to open source. Those writing code in python > aren't necessarily able to write and maintain the language itself. > Python itself evaluates to machine code at some point-- likely the > core parts of Python are written in C(I'm sure Ed will chime in to > confirm/deny). There are various Python implementations out there, but the standard version is called 'CPython', because it is written in C. The others are Jython, which is a Java implementation, IronPython, which I believe is either C# or VC++ or both, and PyPy, which is Python implemented in Python itself. > You're still assuming the Python language developers > won't lose interest(or die off, or be bought off, etc.) during the > lifetime of your app-- and if so, hope that others pick up the torch > and continue... Python is far bigger than most, but there are a > **LOT** of dead open source projects out there, simply because people > decide they have to eat. I think you forget that many companies see these projects as critical to their success, and will fund development. IBM puts a lot of money into supporting PostgreSQL, for example. Google uses Python extensively, and has hired several of the top people in Python, including its creator, Guido von Rossum. None of these folks are going hungry, and Python is continuing to grow and be developed even faster than before. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Ouch that sounds painful! Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:49 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > I was thinking that I would have to program in the ability to do > below. > We've got it working very simply, the Eva Webserver maintains session > state I think, but we put enough information into the links to get > back to where you were if I've you've gone to make a cup of tea and a > sandwich since getting the web page. Most servers have a method of maintaining session info, but once that session is identified, the app would have to be able to grab the relevant bizobjs, and pass them the submitted data. So if you had an app that has a WidgetBizobj, each of which has several related child bizobjs, and wanted to move it to the web, each session would have its own copy of the bizobjs. If you had 100 people hitting the app, there would be 100 WidgetBizobjs, and each would have a set of its own child bizobjs. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
> We are not putting all our eggs (if any) into .NET as we may end up in > the same position in another 15 years time. I think that long term, Open > Source is the way to go. Then you know that your code is going to work > in 50 years time! If you've got the head for it, you can recompile the > runtimes to run in any OS and then have your app run on the runtime. Yes, that's the gamble you take. Microsoft might phase out .NET support in 10-20 years time. Therefore, the tool and maybe the platform wouldn't support your apps. The same can happen to open source. Those writing code in python aren't necessarily able to write and maintain the language itself. Python itself evaluates to machine code at some point-- likely the core parts of Python are written in C(I'm sure Ed will chime in to confirm/deny). You're still assuming the Python language developers won't lose interest(or die off, or be bought off, etc.) during the lifetime of your app-- and if so, hope that others pick up the torch and continue... Python is far bigger than most, but there are a **LOT** of dead open source projects out there, simply because people decide they have to eat. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > And, of course, you're still stuck with the problem of a > single-sourced vendor platform. Unfortunately, most don't recognize that as a problem; they see it as a positive thing. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > I was thinking that I would have to program in the ability to do > below. > We've got it working very simply, the Eva Webserver maintains session > state I think, but we put enough information into the links to get > back > to where you were if I've you've gone to make a cup of tea and a > sandwich since getting the web page. Most servers have a method of maintaining session info, but once that session is identified, the app would have to be able to grab the relevant bizobjs, and pass them the submitted data. So if you had an app that has a WidgetBizobj, each of which has several related child bizobjs, and wanted to move it to the web, each session would have its own copy of the bizobjs. If you had 100 people hitting the app, there would be 100 WidgetBizobjs, and each would have a set of its own child bizobjs. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
> > Hopefully they get it right. And then you can use it with Mono on Linux... > There's a lot of assumptions piled on other assumptions. Python does, > now, run on a variety of platforms. That seems like a more solid > choice for me. Yes, there's some assumptions. Assumptions as to Mono working well(someone just wrote here the other day that they compiled a desktop .NET app in mono and ran it without any changes), and that this translator will work with Mono-- I'm not familiar enough with how they interact to know if this would happen. Personally, my consumer base is Windows based now with no intention of moving to anything else. While cross platform is great in theory(and in practice for some), for me it's not a required part of my strategy going forward. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On 4/19/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems like a tool that compiles VFP code into .NET code would provide > better ROI versus re-writing in DABO/Python... Seems like an interesting exercise in risk management. VFP is so idiomatic, it will be nteresting to see how true a translation they can provide. And, of course, you're still stuck with the problem of a single-sourced vendor platform. > Hopefully they get it right. And then you can use it with Mono on Linux... There's a lot of assumptions piled on other assumptions. Python does, now, run on a variety of platforms. That seems like a more solid choice for me. But "choice" is what makes the market work. Let's see how it turns out: I'm betting on the greater investment up front, you're gambling on the translator to move legacy code to a new platform, one that the vendor will, sooner or later, obsolete. Let's see who gets a better return in the long run. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Derek, We are keeping an eye on that and will buy their other tool as a show of support. If it works, then we will port over to .NET for customers that want it (for a fee) and they get the same application, just running in .NET Other customers can stay as they are until M$ does something to stop VFP running in Windows altogether. Then they will need to come over to the Dabo App. Our Dabo/Python app however will be a new product doing similar things but in a better way. We would have brought out Version 2 in VFP (lots of good code in our apps) which would have meant it would have been quicker to get there. We are not putting all our eggs (if any) into .NET as we may end up in the same position in another 15 years time. I think that long term, Open Source is the way to go. Then you know that your code is going to work in 50 years time! If you've got the head for it, you can recompile the runtimes to run in any OS and then have your app run on the runtime. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:32 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything > to take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The > answer is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write > the whole bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that? > > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where > they can save on licensing fees for their Oses. > > Doesn't this sound like another thread? Seems like a tool that compiles VFP code into .NET code would provide better ROI versus re-writing in DABO/Python... http://www.etecnologia.net/products/VFPCompiler/VFPCompiler-index.htm Hopefully they get it right. And then you can use it with Mono on Linux... -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Ted, I wasn't suggesting that an effort is made to go down that route with dabo, specially if there are frameworks out there. Your right, VFP is a brilliant workhorse. Shame the nails are in the coffin! Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:22 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a > desktop app? Sure, but that's not the focus of the dabodev effort. As Ed/Paul say, there are lots of good web frameworks out there. At this point you could certainly share the data. The business logic is the question, and it's certainly possible to develop a framework that hosts dabo business objects. It's just not been a priority to develop that yet. What's missing from the Open Source world is a good rich-client data-centric framework like we have in many VFP apps. That's the primary focis of Dabo now, and there just hasn't been the manpower and motivation to look at cases like web apps. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: > Anyone try it on Solaris yet? No, not that I know of. I do know that both Python, Gtk and wxPython run great on Solaris, so I don't see why there would be any problems. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
> To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything to > take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The answer > is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write the whole > bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that? > > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where they > can save on licensing fees for their Oses. > > Doesn't this sound like another thread? Seems like a tool that compiles VFP code into .NET code would provide better ROI versus re-writing in DABO/Python... http://www.etecnologia.net/products/VFPCompiler/VFPCompiler-index.htm Hopefully they get it right. And then you can use it with Mono on Linux... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Ed, thanks for that. I was thinking that I would have to program in the ability to do below. We've got it working very simply, the Eva Webserver maintains session state I think, but we put enough information into the links to get back to where you were if I've you've gone to make a cup of tea and a sandwich since getting the web page. The webserver was embedded into the app, and it called routines in the app to pull out strings which are web pages. It was simple and it worked for us. But I guess for large scale you need to be running inside apache/iis. Another thing I did was to have a web page that is an ASP page, which calls a COM object (VFP7 EXE) and that dishes up a web page or part of the data for a web page. My mind is a muddle at the moment! Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:20 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a > desktop app? > > I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out pages > to users with browsers. > > Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible to pass data from > the Business Object out to a user interface tier which spits out html > which would be the User Interface tier in a browser? This would be in > addition to the normal "Desktop User interface" giving customers two > ways to get to their data. Sure, it would be possible, but it's not anything that we plan on doing anytime in the foreseeable future. Besides the UI changes that would be required, you would also have to implement sessioning and the related bizobj management, since a desktop app maintains a single state, whereas a web app is stateless. It can certainly be done, but it would take some serious work and testing to make something that would scale. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On 4/19/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or on any of the other platforms that Dabo works on: Mac OS X, > Solaris, Windows,... Anyone try it on Solaris yet? -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a > desktop app? Sure, but that's not the focus of the dabodev effort. As Ed/Paul say, there are lots of good web frameworks out there. At this point you could certainly share the data. The business logic is the question, and it's certainly possible to develop a framework that hosts dabo business objects. It's just not been a priority to develop that yet. What's missing from the Open Source world is a good rich-client data-centric framework like we have in many VFP apps. That's the primary focis of Dabo now, and there just hasn't been the manpower and motivation to look at cases like web apps. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:16 PM Robert Jennings wrote: >Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a desktop app? >I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out pages to users with browsers. >Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible to pass data from the Business Object out to a user >interface tier which spits out html which would be the User Interface tier in a browser? This would be in >addition to the normal "Desktop User interface" giving customers two ways to get to their data. That was my thought as well and why I asked the question. David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:54 PM, David Crooks wrote: > What is the level of effort to have it run on the web? See my other reply. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a > desktop app? > > I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out > pages to > users with browsers. > > Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible to pass data from > the Business Object out to a user interface tier which spits out html > which would be the User Interface tier in a browser? This would be in > addition to the normal "Desktop User interface" giving customers two > ways to get to their data. Sure, it would be possible, but it's not anything that we plan on doing anytime in the foreseeable future. Besides the UI changes that would be required, you would also have to implement sessioning and the related bizobj management, since a desktop app maintains a single state, whereas a web app is stateless. It can certainly be done, but it would take some serious work and testing to make something that would scale. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
On Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:09 PM Ted Roche wrote: >Quoting dabodev.com: >"Desktop applications. That's what Dabo does. It's not YAWF (yet another web framework). There are plenty of > excellent web frameworks out there, so if that's what you are looking for, Dabo isn't for you. >But there are almost no desktop application frameworks out there, and if you want to create applications that >run on Windows, OS X or Linux, Dabo is for you!" Thanks for the info! David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a desktop app? I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out pages to users with browsers. Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible to pass data from the Business Object out to a user interface tier which spits out html which would be the User Interface tier in a browser? This would be in addition to the normal "Desktop User interface" giving customers two ways to get to their data. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:09 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On 4/19/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the level of effort to have it run on the web? > Quoting dabodev.com: "Desktop applications. That's what Dabo does. It's not YAWF (yet another web framework). There are plenty of excellent web frameworks out there, so if that's what you are looking for, Dabo isn't for you. But there are almost no desktop application frameworks out there, and if you want to create applications that run on Windows, OS X or Linux, Dabo is for you!" -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ted, I'll get with it soon! lol Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Posted At: 19 April 2007 20:07 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the tip, I've never really looked into WSH, but if I get > time I might take a delve into it. (Then again, thanks to MS killing > VFP, a 9 man year re-write of all my applications in Dabo might not > give me any spare time! ;o) And not all that coincidentally, MS is in the process of replacing MSH (which is itself a replacement for CMD and VB) with PowerShell... > To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything > to take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The > answer is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write > the whole bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that? MS makes money. That's their motivation. > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where > they can save on licensing fees for their Oses. Or on any of the other platforms that Dabo works on: Mac OS X, Solaris, Windows,... > Doesn't this sound like another thread? Actually, another forum... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 4/19/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the level of effort to have it run on the web? > Quoting dabodev.com: "Desktop applications. That's what Dabo does. It's not YAWF (yet another web framework). There are plenty of excellent web frameworks out there, so if that's what you are looking for, Dabo isn't for you. But there are almost no desktop application frameworks out there, and if you want to create applications that run on Windows, OS X or Linux, Dabo is for you!" -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the tip, I've never really looked into WSH, but if I get time > I might take a delve into it. (Then again, thanks to MS killing VFP, a 9 > man year re-write of all my applications in Dabo might not give me any > spare time! ;o) And not all that coincidentally, MS is in the process of replacing MSH (which is itself a replacement for CMD and VB) with PowerShell... > To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything to > take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The answer > is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write the whole > bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that? MS makes money. That's their motivation. > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where they > can save on licensing fees for their Oses. Or on any of the other platforms that Dabo works on: Mac OS X, Solaris, Windows,... > Doesn't this sound like another thread? Actually, another forum... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed, I thought it would run everywhere ;o) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Posted At: 19 April 2007 19:52 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: Re: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where > they can save on licensing fees for their Oses. JIC you didn't know - no need to run Dabo on Linux. It runs great on Windows, too! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:52 PM Ed Leafe wrote: > JIC you didn't know - no need to run Dabo on Linux. It runs great on Windows, too! What is the level of effort to have it run on the web? David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Robert Jennings wrote: > Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when > everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where > they > can save on licensing fees for their Oses. JIC you didn't know - no need to run Dabo on Linux. It runs great on Windows, too! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Bill,
I've rebooted the server several times and the backup worked today. :o)
I also threatened it with a cup of tea if it didn't sort itself out! Lol
Thanks for the tip, I've never really looked into WSH, but if I get time
I might take a delve into it. (Then again, thanks to MS killing VFP, a 9
man year re-write of all my applications in Dabo might not give me any
spare time! ;o)
To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything to
take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The answer
is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write the whole
bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that?
Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when
everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where they
can save on licensing fees for their Oses.
Doesn't this sound like another thread?
Robert
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Hullo Robert -
here's my SWAG (Scientific Wild @ss Guess)
Given:
1. That backup program is mostly brain dead when it comes to handling
open files.
2. AD runs as a service and can be stopped either interactively or
programmatically via WSH.
3. When AD is not running, the files it uses are not open.
Then:
1. set up a WSH file to stop AD service 2. launch your backup program
Give it a shot, lemme know how it works?
Mondo Regards [Bill]
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RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS
Hullo Robert -
here's my SWAG (Scientific Wild @ss Guess)
Given:
1. That backup program is mostly brain dead when it comes to handling open
files.
2. AD runs as a service and can be stopped either interactively or
programmatically via WSH.
3. When AD is not running, the files it uses are not open.
Then:
1. set up a WSH file to stop AD service
2. launch your backup program
Give it a shot, lemme know how it works?
Mondo Regards [Bill]
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> If anything does go wrong, at least I know I've got up to > lunchtime the day before on tape (If it's working that is) This has been > the first real problem apart from a drive failing (swapped out within 4 > hours). Symantec has a suite of products that continually provide on-the-fly disk imaging and file backups of mission critical Servers and Client PCs. I have heard that in full-protection configurations it cause a bit of performance degradation. But it is possible to tune the pdates such that with a failure that would otherwise destroy valuable data, their solution can get a system back to its pre-failure condition with no data loss whatever. For my operation, and most of my clients, it is overkill. But for some real-time heavy transaction based systems it makes a lot of sense. I still like my weekly workstation Imaging, weeky full file backup and daily incremental file backup (all disk-to-disk) approach. It has been working well for several years. VSS made it viable with no concerns for open files. Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Gil, > > Yes the cost of LTO's is quite high, but I like the fact that I can do a > Daily FULL backup during the afternoon, pop the tapes out and take them > home. If anything does go wrong, at least I know I've got up to > lunchtime the day before on tape (If it's working that is) This has been > the first real problem apart from a drive failing (swapped out within 4 > hours). > > Did you know that a study was carried out at an English university and > they discovered this apparently > > A human on a Push Bike will emit more CO2 than a human on a 750CC > Motorbike over a mile. I'm so glad I ride a VFR750 :o) > > Just think, I've ridden to Work on a push bike 3 times (17 Miles each > way) and I've been causing more global warming! Sorry chaps > > > Robert > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > Posted At: 18 April 2007 19:06 > Posted To: Profox Archive > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that > when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get > fixed. I had VSS fail on one of my 2003 servers, and ended up > reinstalling the OS to get it to work again. I went through all the > various MicroScoff and 3rd party fixes I could dig up, and nothing short > of a Strip & Reinstall would work for me. But, since that event I have > had no further problems. > > I do like LTO, have an LTO3 unit running at a client location. Seems to > run quite fast, but far more costly than an equivalent set of HDD units. > Then again, your point re: portability and transportability for off-site > rotation is well taken. I have a duplicate set of HDD units I rotate > off site every month or so. But I transport it in my SUV up the street > 2 1/2 blocks ... > > Gil > > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > > > > Gil, > > > > Thanks. > > > > I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a > > > backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 > > months now. > > > > I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two > > > external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much > > fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc > > > > Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to > > > find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol > > > > It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS > > > service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > > Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 > > Posted To: Profox Archive > > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > > > > Wha
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> Just think, I've ridden to Work on a push bike 3 times (17 Miles each > way) and I've been causing more global warming! Sorry chaps > No good deed ever goes unpunished, eh? So there you are, thinking you are helping all of mankind and critterdom out by bicycling, and it turns out I am doing more by remaining a lazy ocnsumer of convenient transportation methods. Well, thank you for the effort and good will in any event ... My daughter has a Civic Hybrid, picked it up 4 years ago, and LOVES it. Yet, she takes a train to work most days of the week, despite it taking an hour longer to and from (combined), just to try to make this a better world. Then don't I go out and thank her fo eltting me feel less guilty about increasing my level of wanton consumption of petrol for casual trips to local farms to begin to purchase natural raised (grass fed) meat products (as opposed to purchasing meats from typical mass production sources)! One way or another everything ends up balancing out - even if that means mankind ends up becoming destroyed by ruining the very basic elements of life, and the planet ends up becoming repaired in our absence over the subsequent ages. Awful thought, eh? Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Gil, > > Yes the cost of LTO's is quite high, but I like the fact that I can do a > Daily FULL backup during the afternoon, pop the tapes out and take them > home. If anything does go wrong, at least I know I've got up to > lunchtime the day before on tape (If it's working that is) This has been > the first real problem apart from a drive failing (swapped out within 4 > hours). > > Did you know that a study was carried out at an English university and > they discovered this apparently > > A human on a Push Bike will emit more CO2 than a human on a 750CC > Motorbike over a mile. I'm so glad I ride a VFR750 :o) > > Just think, I've ridden to Work on a push bike 3 times (17 Miles each > way) and I've been causing more global warming! Sorry chaps > > > Robert > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > Posted At: 18 April 2007 19:06 > Posted To: Profox Archive > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that > when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get > fixed. I had VSS fail on one of my 2003 servers, and ended up > reinstalling the OS to get it to work again. I went through all the > various MicroScoff and 3rd party fixes I could dig up, and nothing short > of a Strip & Reinstall would work for me. But, since that event I have > had no further problems. > > I do like LTO, have an LTO3 unit running at a client location. Seems to > run quite fast, but far more costly than an equivalent set of HDD units. > Then again, your point re: portability and transportability for off-site > rotation is well taken. I have a duplicate set of HDD units I rotate > off site every month or so. But I transport it in my SUV up the street > 2 1/2 blocks ... > > Gil > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > > > > Gil, > > > > Thanks. > > > > I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a > > > backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 > > months now. > > > > I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two > > > external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much > > fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc > > > > Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to > > > find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol > > > > It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS > > > service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > > Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 > > Posted T
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Robert, So you are the one responsible for the god warm weather at the moment. Keep cycling - that's what I say! Now if I ride very close to cyclists at great speed on my ZZR1100 and scare the Sh*t out of them, then the gasses they emit will more than dwarf the ones from my bike. I feel at peace with the world now and I can ride around without a conscience. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jennings Sent: 19 April 2007 09:27 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Gil, Yes the cost of LTO's is quite high, but I like the fact that I can do a Daily FULL backup during the afternoon, pop the tapes out and take them home. If anything does go wrong, at least I know I've got up to lunchtime the day before on tape (If it's working that is) This has been the first real problem apart from a drive failing (swapped out within 4 hours). Did you know that a study was carried out at an English university and they discovered this apparently A human on a Push Bike will emit more CO2 than a human on a 750CC Motorbike over a mile. I'm so glad I ride a VFR750 :o) Just think, I've ridden to Work on a push bike 3 times (17 Miles each way) and I've been causing more global warming! Sorry chaps Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Posted At: 18 April 2007 19:06 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get fixed. I had VSS fail on one of my 2003 servers, and ended up reinstalling the OS to get it to work again. I went through all the various MicroScoff and 3rd party fixes I could dig up, and nothing short of a Strip & Reinstall would work for me. But, since that event I have had no further problems. I do like LTO, have an LTO3 unit running at a client location. Seems to run quite fast, but far more costly than an equivalent set of HDD units. Then again, your point re: portability and transportability for off-site rotation is well taken. I have a duplicate set of HDD units I rotate off site every month or so. But I transport it in my SUV up the street 2 1/2 blocks ... Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Gil, > > Thanks. > > I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a > backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 > months now. > > I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two > external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much > fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc > > Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to > find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol > > It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS > service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. > > > Robert > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 > Posted To: Profox Archive > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on > getting anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you > backing up to tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external > USB HDD units) for several years, and love it. But the info I am > going to provide you ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 > Server and XP (and perhaps even > Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I > have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other > times it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. > What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain > conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an > Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes > & bits quite unceremoniously. > > VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk > with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work > with VSS to > take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have > used it SyncBack for a few years, with
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Gil, Yes the cost of LTO's is quite high, but I like the fact that I can do a Daily FULL backup during the afternoon, pop the tapes out and take them home. If anything does go wrong, at least I know I've got up to lunchtime the day before on tape (If it's working that is) This has been the first real problem apart from a drive failing (swapped out within 4 hours). Did you know that a study was carried out at an English university and they discovered this apparently A human on a Push Bike will emit more CO2 than a human on a 750CC Motorbike over a mile. I'm so glad I ride a VFR750 :o) Just think, I've ridden to Work on a push bike 3 times (17 Miles each way) and I've been causing more global warming! Sorry chaps Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Posted At: 18 April 2007 19:06 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get fixed. I had VSS fail on one of my 2003 servers, and ended up reinstalling the OS to get it to work again. I went through all the various MicroScoff and 3rd party fixes I could dig up, and nothing short of a Strip & Reinstall would work for me. But, since that event I have had no further problems. I do like LTO, have an LTO3 unit running at a client location. Seems to run quite fast, but far more costly than an equivalent set of HDD units. Then again, your point re: portability and transportability for off-site rotation is well taken. I have a duplicate set of HDD units I rotate off site every month or so. But I transport it in my SUV up the street 2 1/2 blocks ... Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Gil, > > Thanks. > > I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a > backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 > months now. > > I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two > external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much > fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc > > Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to > find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol > > It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS > service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. > > > Robert > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 > Posted To: Profox Archive > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on > getting anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you > backing up to tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external > USB HDD units) for several years, and love it. But the info I am > going to provide you ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 > Server and XP (and perhaps even > Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I > have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other > times it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. > What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain > conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an > Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes > & bits quite unceremoniously. > > VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk > with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work > with VSS to > take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have > used it SyncBack for a few years, with excellent results. It is > designed for disk-to-disk and disk-ftp backups, not tape. But, if you > do a disk-to-disk, you can do a tape backup with NTBackup from the HDD > used to contain the backed up files. At $40 or $45 license for > SyncBack it is worth a shot. Then again, simply turning on VSS to run > automatically may also correct the problem for you. > > Even if this does not help you in your specific situation, it is a > good thing to be aware of for general backup strategies. > > Good luck! > > > Gil > > > &g
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I had a problem with the scheduling of the VSS copies, so I manually scheduled the updates and it's working like a charm. Rick Quilhot IT Administrator J.America Retail Products ph: 517-333-2680 ext 102 fx: 517-333-2596, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jennings Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Gil, Thanks. I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 months now. I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on getting anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you backing up to tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external USB HDD units) for several years, and love it. But the info I am going to provide you ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 Server and XP (and perhaps even Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other times it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes & bits quite unceremoniously. VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work with VSS to take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have used it SyncBack for a few years, with excellent results. It is designed for disk-to-disk and disk-ftp backups, not tape. But, if you do a disk-to-disk, you can do a tape backup with NTBackup from the HDD used to contain the backed up files. At $40 or $45 license for SyncBack it is worth a shot. Then again, simply turning on VSS to run automatically may also correct the problem for you. Even if this does not help you in your specific situation, it is a good thing to be aware of for general backup strategies. Good luck! Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Hi all, > > I can't find any information on this exact problem on Technet. > > I'm using the SBS2003 backup utility and it's failing on Backup when > it gets to the AD. > > Details Application Event Log has the following Event Type: Error > Event Source: NTBackup Event Category: None Event ID: 8012 > Date: 18/04/2007 > Time: 17:10:40 > User: N/A > Computer: FRED > Description: > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupRead()' additional data '-' > > The backup.log file has the following:- > > Backup started on 18/04/2007 at 17:09. > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupReadFile' additional data '-' > The operation was ended. > Backup completed on 18/04/2007 at 17:10. > Directories: 184 > Files: 2987 > Bytes: 547,614,902 > Time: 1 minute and 13 seconds > > I'm logged onto the server as an administrator and I've tried > rebooting the server. It's failed 4 times today, once after a reboot. > > I'm just trying a system state backup only to see if that breaks > through it but I'm not hopeful! > > TIA > > Robert > > > > > > > -- > > This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed > expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication > and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the informati
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Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get fixed. I had VSS fail on one of my 2003 servers, and ended up reinstalling the OS to get it to work again. I went through all the various MicroScoff and 3rd party fixes I could dig up, and nothing short of a Strip & Reinstall would work for me. But, since that event I have had no further problems. I do like LTO, have an LTO3 unit running at a client location. Seems to run quite fast, but far more costly than an equivalent set of HDD units. Then again, your point re: portability and transportability for off-site rotation is well taken. I have a duplicate set of HDD units I rotate off site every month or so. But I transport it in my SUV up the street 2 1/2 blocks ... Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Gil, > > Thanks. > > I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a > backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 months > now. > > I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two > external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much > fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc > > Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to > find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol > > It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS > service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. > > > Robert > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of mrgmhale > Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 > Posted To: Profox Archive > Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on getting > anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you backing up to > tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external USB HDD units) > for several years, and love it. But the info I am going to provide you > ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 Server and XP (and > perhaps even > Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I > have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other times > it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. > What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain > conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an > Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes & > bits quite unceremoniously. > > VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk > with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work > with VSS to > take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have > used it SyncBack for a few years, with excellent results. It is > designed for disk-to-disk and disk-ftp backups, not tape. But, if you > do a disk-to-disk, you can do a tape backup with NTBackup from the HDD > used to contain the backed up files. At $40 or $45 license for SyncBack > it is worth a shot. Then again, simply turning on VSS to run > automatically may also correct the problem for you. > > Even if this does not help you in your specific situation, it is a good > thing to be aware of for general backup strategies. > > Good luck! > > > Gil > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:37 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I can't find any information on this exact problem on Technet. > > > > I'm using the SBS2003 backup utility and it's failing on Backup when > > it gets to the AD. > > > > Details Application Event Log has the following Event Type: Error > > Event Source: NTBackup Event Category: None Event ID: 8012 > > Date: 18/04/2007 > > Time: 17:10:40 > > User: N/A > > Computer: FRED > > Description: > > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > > ' from a call to 'BackupRead()' additional data '-' > > > > The backup.log file has the following:- > > > > Backu
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Gil, Thanks. I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a backup to get over it. I've not needed to do that for at least 6 months now. I'm backing up to 400GB LTO Tapes! I tried the HDD one but lugging two external disks around in your backpack on a motorbike wasn't too much fun. Then I had to dump the data down onto a machine at home etc etc Tapes were much easier and I could go back a week/4 weeks if I want to find a file that a user has deleted but they weren't sure when! lol It's strange how today It keeps happening. I'll try the restarting VSS service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Posted At: 18 April 2007 18:50 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS Subject: RE: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on getting anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you backing up to tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external USB HDD units) for several years, and love it. But the info I am going to provide you ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 Server and XP (and perhaps even Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other times it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes & bits quite unceremoniously. VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work with VSS to take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have used it SyncBack for a few years, with excellent results. It is designed for disk-to-disk and disk-ftp backups, not tape. But, if you do a disk-to-disk, you can do a tape backup with NTBackup from the HDD used to contain the backed up files. At $40 or $45 license for SyncBack it is worth a shot. Then again, simply turning on VSS to run automatically may also correct the problem for you. Even if this does not help you in your specific situation, it is a good thing to be aware of for general backup strategies. Good luck! Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Hi all, > > I can't find any information on this exact problem on Technet. > > I'm using the SBS2003 backup utility and it's failing on Backup when > it gets to the AD. > > Details Application Event Log has the following Event Type: Error > Event Source: NTBackup Event Category: None Event ID: 8012 > Date: 18/04/2007 > Time: 17:10:40 > User: N/A > Computer: FRED > Description: > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupRead()' additional data '-' > > The backup.log file has the following:- > > Backup started on 18/04/2007 at 17:09. > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupReadFile' additional data '-' > The operation was ended. > Backup completed on 18/04/2007 at 17:10. > Directories: 184 > Files: 2987 > Bytes: 547,614,902 > Time: 1 minute and 13 seconds > > I'm logged onto the server as an administrator and I've tried > rebooting the server. It's failed 4 times today, once after a reboot. > > I'm just trying a system state backup only to see if that breaks > through it but I'm not hopeful! > > TIA > > Robert > > > > > > > -- > > This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed > expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication > and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information > in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it > was sent. > If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you > should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. > Please notify the sender immediately of the error. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Marine Software Limited. Registered in England & Wales. No 2576494 > Regsitered Office. Unit3, Aylesham Business Pk, Ay
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What a frustrating situation, eh? I have basically given up on getting anything really good from NTBackup from long ago. Are you backing up to tape or HDD? I have been doing disk-to-disk (external USB HDD units) for several years, and love it. But the info I am going to provide you ought to work for tape backups as well. For 2003 Server and XP (and perhaps even Vista) there is a service called Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS). I have sometimes seen it turned on for automatic running, and other times it is set up as a manual process. I always make certain it is working. What it does is allow you to back up open files, under certain conditions. The reason I bring this up is you may be running into an Open File issue with NTBackup that is causing it to barf out its bytes & bits quite unceremoniously. VSS will work for the OSes identified above, and only on a local disk with an NTFS partition. The backup software must be designed to work with VSS to take advantage of the Open File Backup feature offered via VSS. I have used it SyncBack for a few years, with excellent results. It is designed for disk-to-disk and disk-ftp backups, not tape. But, if you do a disk-to-disk, you can do a tape backup with NTBackup from the HDD used to contain the backed up files. At $40 or $45 license for SyncBack it is worth a shot. Then again, simply turning on VSS to run automatically may also correct the problem for you. Even if this does not help you in your specific situation, it is a good thing to be aware of for general backup strategies. Good luck! Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [NF] NTBACKUP ERROR WIN 2003 SBS > > > Hi all, > > I can't find any information on this exact problem on Technet. > > I'm using the SBS2003 backup utility and it's failing on Backup when it > gets to the AD. > > Details Application Event Log has the following > Event Type: Error > Event Source: NTBackup > Event Category: None > Event ID: 8012 > Date: 18/04/2007 > Time: 17:10:40 > User: N/A > Computer: FRED > Description: > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupRead()' additional data '-' > > The backup.log file has the following:- > > Backup started on 18/04/2007 at 17:09. > The 'Active Directory' returned 'The parameter is incorrect. > ' from a call to 'BackupReadFile' additional data '-' > The operation was ended. > Backup completed on 18/04/2007 at 17:10. > Directories: 184 > Files: 2987 > Bytes: 547,614,902 > Time: 1 minute and 13 seconds > > I'm logged onto the server as an administrator and I've tried rebooting > the server. It's failed 4 times today, once after a reboot. > > I'm just trying a system state backup only to see if that breaks through > it but I'm not hopeful! > > TIA > > Robert > > > > > > > -- > > This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed > expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, > this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential > and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the > purpose for which it was sent. > If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should > destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. > Please notify the sender immediately of the error. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Marine Software Limited. Registered in England & Wales. No 2576494 > Regsitered Office. Unit3, Aylesham Business Pk, Aylesham. Kent. UK > -- > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
