RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Peter Hart
Hi All

 

Been asked by a client if I can update his application to make it more
modern.   Showed him what I had seen at the Prague conference and he
very much likes the Idea of a ribbon bar.

Like Office 2007.  Research found the VFPX Tab menu project and the ARG
command bars project.  Advantages and disadvantages so far are Tab Menu
is free ARG is 120 dollars.  Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst
ARG seem to be documented much better.

I am asking for comments, suggestions and other areas to look.

 

Than you

 

Peter Hart

Peter Hart Computers

 

P.S. Thanks to Dave and Robbo for helping to make the Prague Experience
so enjoyable.

 

 



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Re: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Ajoy Khaund
Is there any website where I can see what was shown in Prague ? You can also 
say it in a few lines if you don't mind.


Regards

Ajoy Khaund
Neamati Road
Near Bhogdoi Bridge
Jorhat 785001-21
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From: "Peter Hart" 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:40 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Ribbon menus

> Hi All
>
>
>
> Been asked by a client if I can update his application to make it more
> modern.   Showed him what I had seen at the Prague conference and he
> very much likes the Idea of a ribbon bar.
>
> Like Office 2007.  Research found the VFPX Tab menu project and the ARG
> command bars project.  Advantages and disadvantages so far are Tab Menu
> is free ARG is 120 dollars.  Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst
> ARG seem to be documented much better.
>
> I am asking for comments, suggestions and other areas to look.
>
>
>
> Than you
>
>
>
> Peter Hart
>
> Peter Hart Computers
>
>
>
> P.S. Thanks to Dave and Robbo for helping to make the Prague Experience
> so enjoyable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Malcolm Greene
Hi Peter,

I used the ARG menu product many years ago. The product was visually
very impressive (gorgeous!) and the author/developer very responsive to
bugs and feature requests. The documentation lagged the product's
capabilities, but I found I could figure out what I needed to do by
reverse engineering the demos. 

While not perfect, I would give this vendor my highest recommendation.

Why don't you try out the free demo and see if it fits your needs?

Cheers,
Malcolm


Been asked by a client if I can update his application to make it more
modern.   Showed him what I had seen at the Prague conference and he
very much likes the Idea of a ribbon bar.

Like Office 2007.  Research found the VFPX Tab menu project and the ARG
command bars project.  Advantages and disadvantages so far are Tab Menu
is free ARG is 120 dollars.  Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst
ARG seem to be documented much better.

I am asking for comments, suggestions and other areas to look.



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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Ajoy

The sessions are all listed on the Daquas we site
http://devcon.daquas.cz/default.aspx

We were given to understand that the Session material would be available
by now but I have been unable to find out where as yet.
I would like to look at that myself as although the session titles where
of interest the English accents of some of the speakers made it
difficult for me to understand.  My hearing suffers because of all the
years in high volume environments. (I worked in a TV repair department
where every one turned their sound to maximum)

Will let you know more if it comes my way unless anyone else can offer
other suggestions.

Cheers

Peter


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Behalf Of Ajoy Khaund
Sent: 11 July 2009 13:31
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Ribbon menus

Is there any website where I can see what was shown in Prague ? You can
also 
say it in a few lines if you don't mind.


Regards

Ajoy Khaund
Neamati Road
Near Bhogdoi Bridge
Jorhat 785001-21
Assam, India

Tel: 91-376-2351288
Cell: 91-94350-92287
Mail: akha...@hotmail.com
Mail: akha...@gmail.com

"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy
if
both are frozen."
- Edward  V. Berard, "Life-Cycle Approaches"

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From: "Peter Hart" 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:40 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Ribbon menus

> Hi All
>
>
>
> Been asked by a client if I can update his application to make it more
> modern.   Showed him what I had seen at the Prague conference and he
> very much likes the Idea of a ribbon bar.
>
> Like Office 2007.  Research found the VFPX Tab menu project and the
ARG
> command bars project.  Advantages and disadvantages so far are Tab
Menu
> is free ARG is 120 dollars.  Tab Menu is sparse on documentation
whilst
> ARG seem to be documented much better.
>
> I am asking for comments, suggestions and other areas to look.
>
>
>
> Than you
>
>
>
> Peter Hart
>
> Peter Hart Computers
>
>
>
> P.S. Thanks to Dave and Robbo for helping to make the Prague
Experience
> so enjoyable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Malcolm

I have already done that and like you was impressed especially with the
instruction video that is available.  As I said its the price which is
the stumbling block.  I can't charge it on to the client.  It will be a
charge against there software maintenance payments. So the VFP Tab Menu
looks good but it doesn't seem to have been worked on lately.  The first
change I wanted to make was to make the Tabs larger to accommodate more
prompt text.  It appears to be a many directive *:Barsize but how to get
that to work is not immediately obvious.  Hence the need to look for
advice.  Is there another better option, is there a way of getting help
with the VFP tab menu option or do I take the plunge with the ARG
product. 
Another problem is that my wife who is Russian advises me to have
nothing to do with a Russian company. /Grin

Cheers

Peter



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Sent: 11 July 2009 15:01
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Ribbon menus

Hi Peter,

I used the ARG menu product many years ago. The product was visually
very impressive (gorgeous!) and the author/developer very responsive to
bugs and feature requests. The documentation lagged the product's
capabilities, but I found I could figure out what I needed to do by
reverse engineering the demos. 

While not perfect, I would give this vendor my highest recommendation.

Why don't you try out the free demo and see if it fits your needs?

Cheers,
Malcolm


Been asked by a client if I can update his application to make it more
modern.   Showed him what I had seen at the Prague conference and he
very much likes the Idea of a ribbon bar.

Like Office 2007.  Research found the VFPX Tab menu project and the ARG
command bars project.  Advantages and disadvantages so far are Tab Menu
is free ARG is 120 dollars.  Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst
ARG seem to be documented much better.

I am asking for comments, suggestions and other areas to look.



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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Rick Schummer
>> Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst ARG seem to be documented much
better.<<

You can use the VFPX forum to post any question you have about Tab Menu and
see of the author or someone experienced in the tool can help you out.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.swfox.net
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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Rick

Thanks for that I will give it a try.

Cheers

Peter


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Sent: 11 July 2009 15:46
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Ribbon menus

>> Tab Menu is sparse on documentation whilst ARG seem to be documented
much
better.<<

You can use the VFPX forum to post any question you have about Tab Menu
and
see of the author or someone experienced in the tool can help you out.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.swfox.net
www.rickschummer.com




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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Malcolm Greene
Hi Peter,

If we were developing new code, I would buy this product in a second.
$120 sounds pretty reasonable - think of it as a marketing expense.

> Another problem is that my wife who is Russian advises me to have nothing to 
> do with a Russian company. /Grin

LOL! I can't comment on that sentiment other than to say that I've found
Alex (the ARG developer) to be a first class guy.

If you take the plunge, let us know how you make out.

Cheers,
Malcolm


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Re: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Sytze de Boer
Where do you download the ARG menu system ?


On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Malcolm Greene  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> If we were developing new code, I would buy this product in a second.
> $120 sounds pretty reasonable - think of it as a marketing expense.
>
> > Another problem is that my wife who is Russian advises me to have nothing
> to do with a Russian company. /Grin
>
> LOL! I can't comment on that sentiment other than to say that I've found
> Alex (the ARG developer) to be a first class guy.
>
> If you take the plunge, let us know how you make out.
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm
>
>
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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-11 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Sytze,

http://www.arg.kirov.ru/

Cheers

Peter

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Sent: 12 July 2009 03:01
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Ribbon menus

Where do you download the ARG menu system ?


On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Malcolm Greene 
wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> If we were developing new code, I would buy this product in a second.
> $120 sounds pretty reasonable - think of it as a marketing expense.
>
> > Another problem is that my wife who is Russian advises me to have
nothing
> to do with a Russian company. /Grin
>
> LOL! I can't comment on that sentiment other than to say that I've
found
> Alex (the ARG developer) to be a first class guy.
>
> If you take the plunge, let us know how you make out.
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm
>
>
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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Malcolm

I bit the bullet and bought the ARG product.  I have started to create
an Office 2007 like menu for my Client and so far they and I are
impressed.  I wonder if you are anyone else can answer a quick question.
I have used the Ribbon Menu Example and have edited it to give me what I
want and that works OK although there are some properties which don't
seem to behave the way I would like.  However when I run the form it
always comes up with a message box which says:
 
Command Bars Library v.7.0
Copyright (c) 2004-2009 Alex R, Grigorjev, ARG Software design Lab.
All Rights reserved

This Product is licensed to:

Peter Hart
Peter Hart Computers

License ID: XXX--99x9x9

I have changed the License No. Here.  Can you or anyone else explain how
to get rid of this message.  Also would anybody offer to help by letting
me fire a few questions off to there email address, to be replied to at
their convenience.

I have sent a Query to ARG Support but as I didn't send it till 2.00
o'clock this morning I am perhaps being a bit presumptuous.

Cheers

Peter
Peter Hart


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Sent: 11 July 2009 15:01
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Ribbon menus

Hi Peter,

I used the ARG menu product many years ago. The product was visually
very impressive (gorgeous!) and the author/developer very responsive to
bugs and feature requests. The documentation lagged the product's
capabilities, but I found I could figure out what I needed to do by
reverse engineering the demos. 




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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Hi Peter,

Disclaimer: I don't have ready access to the source code from my old ARG
projects so the following is from memory and may not be entirely
accurate or up-to-date with the current version of the product:

1. You need to register the ARG software on your machine via something
like this:

Regedit.exe -s argcommandbars.reg

BTW: It sounds like you've done this already.

2. *Before* you load the Command Bars Library you need to execute
something like the following:

public _4IJK82B6
_4IJK82B6 = .T.

The actual '_4IJK82B6' value is buried in all the stuff that the vendor
sends you and is specific to each user's registration (don't use the
above value - I made it up)

I wish I could offer more help, but its been 4+ years since I used an
older version of the product and I really had to rack my brain for the
above.

There used to be a small group of avid ARG customers on the UT - might
be worth signing up for a month of UT service just so you can search the
archives for feedback from other customers.

Post some screenshots (I wish I would have done this)!

Cheers,
Malcolm


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Re: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Malcolm Greene wrote:

> There used to be a small group of avid ARG customers on the UT - might
> be worth signing up for a month of UT service just so you can search the
> archives for feedback from other customers.

Isn't the UT still free for basic membership?  (Or can you not get to 
where you need to be with the free membership?)

> 
> Post some screenshots (I wish I would have done this)!

Please do post some screenshots to give us a flavor of what you're doing 
with it


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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Malcolm and Mike

Haven't got time to upload then to my web sites at the moment so I am
going to try this.  LogMeIn has a function that allows other people to
upload files from my computer direct to theirs.  The files are large and
would need cutting down to put up on the site. Difficult  to size them
without loosing readability, and I would think not make them as
spectacular.

I will set the files to be available for 2 days with multiple uploads.
Please note that the images are 7MByte plus so may take some uploading.
Please don't all try at once.  Let me know if you don't succeed. 

https://secure.logmein.com/f?a7BEsUM2ORxZvyOF2olHfOiQsxYcY.3HP7hFYYXXi5Z
https://secure.logmein.com/f?dETWH-085PfCIDZfq3ViP8dguG3b58l-zP0iFK1h5VE

The two above are different ideas of how to space.  I also decide that
as far as the captions were concerned Less text is better.
View instead of View Purchase Order with Purchase Orders on the bottom
of the tab.

https://secure.logmein.com/f?uXHh.im9PYjOpOGdqmE-JvzGebWRYxKYiK.062f03nc
https://secure.logmein.com/f?r0o7Yp1V5669CV3X2oVQVNJlEUUTCQMhfLUG0G5bxub
https://secure.logmein.com/f?JFAsHBsqar2OJ70HWDSqrAIrT5BopK2lfmWBi4EootV

Last Images with different Theme.

https://secure.logmein.com/f?TYqXeSU0Sd-BuV25OBbLBOtrK5nIvi73GY9fY1uk1KJ

The last one is an icon I have created which I am trying to place on the
office bar.  No luck yet but will persevere.
By the way Mr Grigorjev has replied with instructions how to do this.
Prompt and to the point.  Very pleased.

Cheers

Peter
Peter Hart Computers

Post some screenshots (I wish I would have done this)!

Cheers,
Malcolm


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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Thanks Peter, I got all five of them without any problem.

E.



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Re: Ribbon menus

2009-07-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Eurico Chagas Filho wrote:
> Thanks Peter, I got all five of them without any problem.


Peter -- did you already have the icons?

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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-26 Thread Peter Hart
To all those interested in the ARG-CommandBars controls.  I have started
a Blog to show some of what I am doing with these controls and in
addition to the support forum.  The developer of the controls has been
on holiday I understand but has said that now he is back he will post
any support questions on the site with the answers he has given.
Certainly while I continue with development of this particular
application and also when the site emails me to say that comments or
support questions have been raised.

Peter
Peter Hart Computers



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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-07-26 Thread Peter Hart
I have been working long hours so please forgive me for not showing the
link.

http://arg-software.intabrokers.com/blog/

Cheers

Peter



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To all those interested in the ARG-CommandBars controls.  I have started
a Blog to show some of what I am doing with these controls and in
addition to the support forum.  The developer of the controls has been
on holiday I understand but has said that now he is back he will post
any support questions on the site with the answers he has given.
Certainly while I continue with development of this particular
application and also when the site emails me to say that comments or
support questions have been raised.

Peter
Peter Hart Computers




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Re: Ribbon menus

2009-08-31 Thread Andrew MacNeill
How is it going with the ARG Commandbars, Peter?

Sorry for responding so late on this - but I've been out of sorts for a bit.

Were you able to get rid of that dialog?


Peter Hart wrote:
> Hi Malcolm
>
> I have used the Ribbon Menu Example and have edited it to give me what I
> want and that works OK although there are some properties which don't
> seem to behave the way I would like.  However when I run the form it
> always comes up with a message box which says:
>  
> Command Bars Library v.7.0
> Copyright (c) 2004-2009 Alex R, Grigorjev, ARG Software design Lab.
> All Rights reserved
>
> This Product is licensed to:
>
>   Peter Hart
>   Peter Hart Computers
>
> License ID: XXX--99x9x9
>
> I have changed the License No. Here.  Can you or anyone else explain how
> to get rid of this message.  Also would anybody offer to help by letting
> me fire a few questions off to there email address, to be replied to at
> their convenience.
>
>   



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RE: Ribbon menus

2009-08-31 Thread Peter Hart
Hi Andrew

Project going really well now.  The main part ifs finished and is being
tested.  There are a few reports which will need a good amount of data
before I start on them.  Goods Deliver Notes is the next part but I need
to go to the clients and discuss with the people who do them manually
now.  So I am havening a rest from it and looking at other things.  I
need to get back to the Blog and the Support site.  Waiting to hear from
Alex as to whether he is going to purchase a Russian domain Name.
I have a video of the application which you could upload but I it isn't
finished yet need a better sound track and redoing as most of the
problems have been sorted new forms added.  It is quite large at 500 MB
approximately. But if you have the time to set it off uploading I can
send you a link to upload it directly from my computer.
The web site is at 
http://arg-software.intabrokers.com/

Cheers

Peter

P.S. thanks to Alex I found how to get rid of the dialogue and other
problems.

 

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Sent: 31 August 2009 10:31
To: profox@leafe.com
Cc: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Ribbon menus

How is it going with the ARG Commandbars, Peter?

Sorry for responding so late on this - but I've been out of sorts for a
bit.

Were you able to get rid of that dialog?


Peter Hart wrote:
> Hi Malcolm
>
> I have used the Ribbon Menu Example and have edited it to give me what
I
> want and that works OK although there are some properties which don't
> seem to behave the way I would like.  However when I run the form it
> always comes up with a message box which says:
>  
> Command Bars Library v.7.0
> Copyright (c) 2004-2009 Alex R, Grigorjev, ARG Software design Lab.
> All Rights reserved
>
> This Product is licensed to:
>
>   Peter Hart
>   Peter Hart Computers
>
> License ID: XXX--99x9x9
>
> I have changed the License No. Here.  Can you or anyone else explain
how
> to get rid of this message.  Also would anybody offer to help by
letting
> me fire a few questions off to there email address, to be replied to
at
> their convenience.
>
>   



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