[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-06-03
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Jay, Steve * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete (The styles are quite different and this looks poor in Mac. Adolfo) * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar * UI changes integrated the last week: + Lower half of slide transition tab reorganized (Rishabh) + Shrink the properties sidebar sections in Calc (Rishabh) + Writer menubar reorganized (Jay) + Insert row/col before/after in Calc (Philippe) + Hide common task toolbar in master slide view (Philippe) + Tango updates (Adolfo, Jay) + Formatting, Impress and Draw toolbar improvements (Jay) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + Sifr icons now fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete + The styles are quite different and this looks poor in Mac. (Adolfo) + unfortunately it is so with any fallback (Jay) + and breeze is closer than any other fallback (Jay) + the best would be to finish the Sifr theme :-) - designers appreciated! (Kendy) + breeze on mac - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=116255 + looks good! (Heiko, Jay, Kendy) + let's switch to that for the RC - and if there are complaints, revert (Kendy) + some general concerns about breeze, but in this case it seems to look work well (Heiko) + conclusion: let's switch to that now on OS X, and if there's push-back, revert + some icons have white instead of black on Windows (Jay) + bugreport: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91432 + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons (Adolfo) + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * UX patches to approve backporting into 5.0 by (Kendy/Jay) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16030 (Bubli) + pushed + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16037 (Jay) https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16032 + pushed + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16061/ (Phillipe) + 2 more reviews needed (Bubli? Jay?) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16007 (Phillipe) https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16034 + Waiting for ESC * Track changes sidebar (Jay) + Can we set a smaller size for the 4 buttons, so that the tab's minimum size can be smaller + asked Rishab fix this (Jay) + About the action column icons, it would be good to center it rather than having it aligned to the right and a formatting change has a plus sign, which should be changed to a 'T' icon like from textbox. Any possibility to have a tooltip above these action icons. + at the design session, did we decide to use text in the end, or not? (Kendy) + http://user-prompt.com/tracking-changes-with-libreoffice/ - use icons in the end + sw/source/ui/shells/shells.src IMG_REDLINE_INSERTED .. IMG_REDLINE_AUTOFMT + the actual icons are in icon-themes/galaxy/sw/res/redline_* + will ask Rishab to do the centering (Jay) + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5f363ce8bc563f64271744026cf0e16830cf9b06 + this implemented the icons (to
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-27
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Andreas, Jay (late) * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + sorting table in named ranges (Bubli) + update tango icons (Adolfo) + menubar fixes (Jay) * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + results: + contributions from 5 people: those listed on the page + one sent by mail + conclusion: send a mail to the visual identity committee what should be chosen, and how to proceed * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + agreed menus toolbars the last week (Heiko) + menus should contain everything - Eve can work with menus + while Benjamin prefers toolbars + Heiko will transfer the content to the wiki, and then writer a summary blogpost + announce on the mailing list + and a short blopost - about the recent changes (Heiko) /done + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/MenuBar + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-human-interface-guidelines-the-second-step/ * How autofilter should work (Mattias, Heiko) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416 Should it be smart and try to guess about header fields (and possibly sometimes fail) or should it be always consistent and just assume the first row is the header (as MSO does it) + sorting is also affected by auto filter + check the competitor's solutions (Jay) - define test scenario first - what happens when autofilter buttons are placed in the middle of data rows - what happens when autofiltered data (some rows hidden) is sorted (using usual sorting tool) - what happens when you try to filter the autofilter row out (if it's treated as data, not in MSO) + consider to ask the community in case of more than one good solutions (Heiko) + mimic the bevahior of Microsoft Excel if there isn't better (Ibrahim) + resolved in the bug (mostly comment #29) (Heiko) conclusion in: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416#c29 + comparison of office suite behavior https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vW1orR4ZbXHDmQDpbJVH4N2f1w_iYP6GtDLYgJ4pWSk/edit + comment from moggi from IRC just a tip for the future (I'm not involved it in anymore): before you try to specify some calc behavior it might be a good idea to talk to the calc maintainers, calc has a few concepts that go through the whole program which might not be obvious to everyone * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + some icons have white instead of black on Windows (Jay) + bugreport: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91432 + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status -
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...
* Present: + Sophie, Norbert, Stephan, Eike, Miklos, Robinson, Kendy, Noel, Bjoern, Jacobo, Muthu, Jay, Andras, Michael M, Caolan * Completed Action Items: + kick-off a set of who wants what test infrastructure thread (Michael) + poke 2x certification candidates (Stephan) [ working through mailing list setup with Italo waiting responses ] + chasing un-translated 4.4 string (Sophie) [ a commit with hard-coded string, made translatable later but not back-ported due to the freeze = should break the rule back-port it's an important string in the UI. Please back-port commit: commit bf6a14e0ba4eb2a47da0146379ec905089ab3a6c ] + add ooenv MALLOC_CHECK etc. to script wrapper for tinderboxes (Norbert) [ Would (by now) only improve the build tooling - axe it ] * Pending Action Items: + find some developer/sysadmin'y type people to train in CI maintenance (Cloph/Norbert) [ had a chat after the call with Cloph - started this; ongoing ] + move problem writer tests from check - subsequentcheck for sw.all (Michael S) + encourage QA guys to test mork / thunderbird bits on Win64 (Robinson) [ encouraged people to build there; have only 1x tinderbox that can make builds but isn't. In the process of buying bare-metal Win64 infra boxes (Norbert) + pending delivery etc. couple of weeks ? + spec. decided on - and in TDF procurement Who runs the Win64 tinderbox ? (Michael) AI:+ Thorsten - can we get builds up-loaded (?) ] * Release Engineering update (Robinson) + 5.0.0 - Beta 2 + going to tag shortly, and get builds out soon. + Status ? (Norbert) + need Cloph's help to trigger builds (Robinson) + good to ping Bjoern/Rene/Norbert when tagging (Norbert) + build/sign machines have v. limited access (Norbert) + Late Feature Status (Michael) + LibreOfficeKit / Online tweaks (Kendy) + mostly fixes this week etc. + OpenGL / double-buffer RenderContext (Kendy) + similar - lots of fixes, some other bits for review in gerrit + gtk3+ theming, embedded video, cut/paste (Caolan) + no concerns. + toolbar search / wrap-around (Kendy) [ got its reviews went in ] + text wrapping for chart labels (Marco) [ punted to 5.1 - remove] + orcus with gnumeric import (Markus) [ build issues - will not push to 5.0 ... - remove. ] + Win64 + pending more QA work. + 4.4.4 RC2 status + freeze next week / last fixes ? + Android iOS Remote * Menu changes / help documentation handling (Jay / Sophie) + Interface / communication concerns between Help Development (Sophie) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91781 + How do we tell docs team wrt. change ? (Norbert) + docs team don't work on help files (Sophie) + dev. team thinks docs team is working on it they are unable to edit the help are under-resourced + talked wrt. what is technically necessary to edit help files (Kendy) + Pushing in changes to re-org the menu bar (Jay) + changes would affect docs as well as help. + how to approach that ? + editing the help XML files - easier than changing menu XML descriptions (Miklos) + documentation more problematic than help (Jay) + not reasonable to ask dev to fix documentation screenshots (Norbert) + important to fix the limbo problem between dev docs + Changes made will affect people too (Jay) + good to do that in 5.0 (Kendy) + hoping to get them in there, completing toolbars / context menus (Jay) + completed the menu-bars for writer, calc, impress, draw + reviewing the changes currently (Sophie) + don't want to loose functionality. + Wiki Help makes it easy familiar to change the help (Kendy) + grow the community of those able to lead improvements in the help. + technically barrier to entry stops those who have good writing skills but perhaps less technical / manual-XML editing familiarity. + not there yet unfortunately. + no easy path for editable 5.0 + what is the mechanism for notifying docs generally ? (Norbert) + an issue and a wiki-page about this (Sophie) + Currently a wiki page with 4.4 and 4.5 UI / string changes (Jay) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges AI: + link it from the developer pages (Sophie) + ideally we'd automatically generate screenshots for docs
