[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž * UI changes integrated the last week: + Kill destructive color conversion menu in Impress (Tomaž) + ToolbarAsMenu controller in reportdesign (Maxim) + Displaymode icons (Andreas) + Improved toolbars (Jay) + Breeze icons improvements (Andreas) + Fix tooltips for frame alignment buttons (Samuel) + Save button behavior (Samuel) + Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/ + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can) + Also users missing indication whether document is saved + possible solutions: + make only the dropdown active + move the functionality to Save As + what do you want from that button? (Heiko) + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko) + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time (Kendy) + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy) + not many people know about that though (Heiko) + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart) + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel) + additional / new icon indicator in the toolbar for that - disabled by default (Heiko) + icon that looks disabled, but still clickable (Samuel) + that would be confusing (Heiko) + possiblity to switch the icon to one with a star when unsaved changes? (Kendy) + decoration / small star + like it (Heiko) + any technical limitations when allowing saving all the time? (Heiko) + not that I am aware of (Kendy) + conclusion: + implement switching of the Save icon to a "Document has changes" state + decorator, like an added star (Andreas promised to take a look, at least for Breeze) + enable Save always + remove the configuration setting to disable the Save button (because it would be confusing when the user switches to "disabling") + hide the Save As from the toolbar + Samuel will talk to Maxim, let's still try to get this in as a late feature + Navigator in Impress & Draw (Samuel) + What to do with "Show Navigator when Slideshow running"? + there is a possibility to have the navigator visible during presenting (Samuel) + but that's the point of the presenter console (Samuel) + would like to remove this feature (Samuel) + does not even work in my 5.0 :-) (Kendy) + looks unused / nobody misses this feature apparently (Samuel / all) + keep in mind that people wanted the use case the separate window for navigator in Writer (Stuart) + conclusion: + let's remove the "Navigator visible" from Slide Show -> Slide Show Settings... + if there is a missing functionality, let's find out the exact use case, and add to the presenter console + EasyHack created for this: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96414 + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy) + current problem: in the Mail Merge Wizard, the document state switches between the "Source" and "Target" view + confuses users a lot + proposed to drop the last 3 screens from the mail merge wizard + instead put this functionality to a toolbar, that has + Mail Merge Wizard (for changes in the address settings etc) + back and forth for navigation + skip recipient + Edit Individual Documents... + Print (range) + e-mail (range) + conclusion: sounds good + will share the prototype when I get there (Kendy) * Suggestions from Roland (Samuel) + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html + Roland now bootstrapped, let's see (Samuel) + we can close this topic for now * Table styles blog post (Heiko) + shared a draft + needs a bit of discussion too unfortunately (Heiko) + discussed it in the call (Kendy/Heiko) + Heiko will finish the draft & publish * Start Center GUI suggestions for change (Stuart) + there were some new proposals about the start center (Stuart) + thanks so much for thinking in the new ways + sharing only a screenshot is not enough though + when considering a big change, more communication is needed - encourage to join the #libreoffice-design, and discuss there + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96383 + Change Start Screen - kompilainenn's + very concise, tabbed GUI -- maybe an alternate to current thumbnail based (Stuart) + would
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-18
* Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Michel, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž * UI changes integrated the last week: + Enabled double click in input list field dialog (Oliver) + Converted MN_TAB_POPUPMENU to xml (Maxim) + Table context menu improvements (Maxim) + Clarified advanced options (unstable vs. limited) (Joel) + Convert some Calc context menus to xml (Maxim) + Filter options dialog controls expandable (Oliver) + Convert RID_POPUP_TAB to xml (Maxim) + Incremental UI changes only? + Joel suggest to not change the whole UI but have small steps + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91820#c25 + mostly about the menu and toolbar reorg (Kendy) + Makes not much sense in this case since there is no half-conceptual menu organization (Heiko) + the hope is that the largest changes are now done (Kendy) + and we are back to incremental changes (Kendy) + should there be more changes, they'll be incremental again (Kendy) + pretty large change overall (Stuart) + there was support from the Design team (Stuart) + the change was needed, and long overdue (Stuart) + yes (Kendy) + now back to more easily manageable (Stuart) + there was a concept behind the changes (Heiko) + we are affecting people's workflows... (Heiko) + would be good to have 'something' that introduces the new features (Heiko) + when doing changes, we should prefer larger (but complete) change (Tomaž) + so that people don't have to re-learn all the time (Kendy) + agree (Cor) + better bundle the changes (per module) as much as reasonable doable + for NotebookBar, we'll need a switch between the old and new (Heiko) + that's easy - different concept, so a simple switch is possible (Kendy) + Save button behavior (Samuel) + Samuel talked to Maxim, Maxim agreed (Samuel) + only needs the new icon (Samuel) + what to do in 5.1 - revert? (Samuel) + let's wait a bit if Maxim can provide the proposed solution ~soon (Kendy) + and cherry-pick (Kendy) + late feature - will need 3 cross-company approvals (Kendy) + if not in time for RC2 (January 11), let's revert in 5.1 (Kendy) + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy) + implementation ongoing (Kendy) + have the basic toolbar now, working on moving the functionality to there from the wizard (Kendy) * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Table styles blog post (Heiko) + published, some comments came in (Heiko) + nothing controversial, good (Heiko) + missing use case for the table style (Michel) + scenario / use case - for the persona (Heiko) + it is there, but not in a structured / strict way (Heiko) + scrum way: have there 'who' and 'why', in one sentence (Heiko) + so one can imagine that better + fine with that, if it is short (Kendy) + want to focus on the resulting work, not paperwork around :-) (Kendy) * Mockups with Draw? (Michel/Heiko) + drafted a blog-post how it could work (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MrSd7nwm3PJfKg_DQ79Sbc4jlqWeX280U_yF81pvQiQ/edit?ts=5672a18b + and what's missing in Draw (Heiko) + should we blog it, or keep internal only so far? (Heiko) + reinventing existing stuff a bit (Stuart) + if somebody wants to do the work, go for that of course (Stuart) + but people are happy with the tools + agree with Stuart (Cor) + blog post focusing on strengths of Draw would be good (Cor) + but not as a tool to create workflows (Cor) + some features are missing, some need adjustments (Heiko) + and could be useful in Draw (Heiko) + but should not be a replacement for people's tools (Heiko) + wanted to propose only a small step (Michel) + people should be using tools that fit them, no forcing of this or that (Kendy) + we can do recommendations, but that's only it :-) (Kendy) + important to manage expectations (Cor) + shapes tab in the sidebar - that could get us closer (Jay) + down to stencils / objects + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv3Q-XdnHElYGXX2m8OLbRAy1zyodcU231Gn2SkVRV0/edit?usp=sharing + have a feeling of feature creep (Kendy) + let's stay what we are - a general purpose drawing program, not specialized on UI design (Kendy) * Draw problems (Stuart) + not that good in vector drawing - freehand/Illustrator/Krita (Stuart) + problem with beziers (as in hand lettering/cursive lettering) + svg's should be handled correctly + please file bugs :-) (Kendy) + Draw does not have too
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.0 RC1 available
Christian Lohmaier wrote on 18-12-15 01:20: > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Hurray :) Now we need a qtz "langpack", reveling the String ID's to check (recent) translations. However - apologies - I lost track on where I can find the most recent. Anyone? Ciao, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.0 RC1 available
Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release candidate of LibreOffice 5.1.0. The upcoming 5.1.0 will be the first release of our fresh 5.1 line. Please be aware that LibreOffice 5.1.0 RC1 has not been flagged as ready for production use yet, however feel free to give it a try instead of 4.4.7 of 5.0.4. A work-in-progress list of new features in LibreOffice 5.1 can be found at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Windows builds are also provided in 64bit version. Developers and QA might also be interested in the symbol server for windows debug information (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg for details) Should you find bugs, please report them to our Bugzilla: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/community/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide or help with funding our operations: http://donate.libreoffice.org/ A list of known issues and fixed bugs compared to 5.1.0 beta2 is available from our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.1.0/RC1 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. On behalf of the Community, Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
