[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-19
* Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Samuel, Tomaž * GSoC is close again + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8=sharing + done + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 + Results https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0 + many participants, over 1200 valid answers + first feelings: more people want improvements in the visio-like features, much less want publisher-like features + but many other interesting input too + Heiko will go deeper into the statistics + categorize the answers + extract the info... * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek)sw/sdi/swriter.sdi + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste + fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart) + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this value through api (Jay) + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html + Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart) The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138 Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11 a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905 + basically now part of the UX team wants to give the flexibility, the other wants fixed size :-) + suggested a poll - to get more info what the users are expecting (Heiko) + actually cannot exactly make my mind either (Kendy) + have some casses that are annoying, but other than that, I'd be for freedom for extensions (Kendy) + concerned about moving input to the sidebar (Heiko) + let's try to collect useful use cases, and pros and cons for them (Kendy, Heiko) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit?usp=sharing + would it be actually a big problem when different sidebar panels have different width? (Kendy) + added that as a questionto the poll + constantly changing side when jumping from one tab to the next isnt good UX (Jay) + will share the poll on the ML, when the questions are agreed, publish about the next week (Heiko) + What about changing the sidebar tab programatically (add API)? (Jan-Marek) + no objection from me (Kendy) + if the extension does things the user do not like, they'll de-install ;-) (Kendy) * Update Default font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay) + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 12.04 & debian 6-backports) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7)
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-05
* Present: * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + We would need more size to implement the WollMux form editor as a LibreOffice sidebar - On normal monitor, this means about 30-50% + Probably LO will get bug reports, if the sidebar is as large as the window and people can't edit? - Currently the side bar just collapses, if the whole Window get's smaller then the bar - You can already hide the whole edit window - It already decollapses, if the window becomes larger then the sidebar width again + 1. Idea: - increase the maximum limit + 2. Idea: - set a minimal size for the edit window and let the sidebar freely use the rest - already collapses the side bar, when the minimum is reached - preferred solution for us (Jan-Marek) + so only the maximal size, but not changing the default, right? (Kendy) + yes, the max size is the concern, currently the default is the minimum where widgets fit (Jan-Marek) + 2-3 bug reports currently open (Jay) + involved minimal and maximal size (Jay) + extending over the current max size does not give much additional value (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92317 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83526 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91915 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90374 + the user can already change the size of the side bar (Jan-Marek) + wanted to have fixed size for the sidebar (Jay) + the area is not utilized when too big (Jay) + sidebar not completely finished yet (Stuart) + the thing is - the sidebar wouldn't be bigger when the wolmux extension is not installed (Stuart) + when the user opens the document, gets an additional window (Jan-Marek) + formula edit entry in the extension (Jan-Marek) + like a kind of PDF editing, additional checking etc. (Jan-Marek) + but more stuff too - choosing documents etc. (Jan-Marek) + API in place for many things in the sidebar now (Stuart) + when we don't change the default, ie. it the sidebar gets bigger only when the extension is installed, that's fine for me (Kendy) + defined by the extension itself sounds fine to me too through api (Jay) + why don't you use dialog instead? (Heiko) + we actually discussed something similar previously - that the sidebar might be useful for functionality that we currenly have in non-modal dialogs (Kendy) + sidebar easy to abuse, be careful (Heiko) + the users want to see both the document and the functionality (Jan-Marek) + why that should be the an abuse, actually? (Jan-Marek) + the main functionality should not be in the sidebar (Heiko) + adds complexity to the sidebar, question of modality (Jan-Marek) + duplication is not a problem, no dialog planned (Jan-Marek) + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) * Impress Default font (suggested by Németh László) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Switch to "Source Sans Pro" with fallback to "Liberation Sans" + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/22124/ + what is the reasoning for the change? (Kendy) + described in the bug... + changing the default might be critical, if the default isn't saved to the document (Jan-Marek) + Old problem was change of line color default in Writer from black to blue => all lines changed from black to blue + do we bundle the Source Sans Pro? (Kendy) + we do + I don't agree with the change (Kendy) + if at all, it should be done in the default template, not in the VCL.xcu (Kendy) + and - as a default, we need something metrically compatible with 'usual' fonts (Kendy) + whatever font, its Unicode codepoint coverage in the SEP (think Emoji's) becomes an issue (Stuart) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use Draw for (Tomaž) + Heiko will have a look / think this through + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU/edit + Will prepare a draft about the request to participate on the blog, create the survey and share all on the mailing list to get more opinions (Heiko) + people want better flow-chart support (Heiko) + and vector drawing tool + and other... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-12
* Present: Heiko, Stuart, Samuel, Jay, Jan-Marek * GSoC is close again + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8=sharing + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing AI: Add TOC, Special characters dialog, Templates Manager (Heiko) /done Templates Manager, Special Characters, ToC + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek) + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste + fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart) + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this value through api (Jay) + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html + Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart) The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138 Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11 a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905 * Update Default font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay) + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 12.04 & debian 6-backports) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts + Caladea, Carlito (bundled with LibO, metric compatible with MS Office default fonts, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7-backports) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
