[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...
* Present: + Jan-Marek, Bjoern, janI, Armin, Robinson, Miklos, Michael M, Cloph, Eike, Kendy, Andras, Caolan, Lionel, Muthu, Sophie, Olivier * Completed Action Items: + write to Firebird people (Lionel) [ we should move to Firebird 3.0 which will be future-proofed, and is at RC2. Encourage a GSOC student to apply themselves here. Upstream answer on compiler support https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2016-March/073774.html ] + disable Firebird for now, for CI (Norbert) + write to Dennis Francis wrt. commit access (Eike) + build clearer 'kill scp2' proposal (Bjoern) + JanI planned a spare-time hack here: + punt for 3 months, then reevaluate progress, create self-assigned RM ticket? (Bjoern) + double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy) [ interest from a student to work on it, Easy Hack created and a gerrit patch ] * Pending Action Items: + UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy) [ in progress ] + attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian) + script XML / l10n string translation changes (Christian) [ lots of context changes in profiles; will build a script to auto-translate, mainly affects 'Basic' documentation => ignore that for now; due to fixing syntax errors in there (Cloph) ]. * Release Engineering update (Cloph/JanI) + 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th. + 5.1.2.1 (RC1) - on Tuesday - March 15th + tag created + there was a 5.1.2.1-buildfix1 tag. + builds on pre-releases + RC2 will be tagged by JanI + Defunct feature bits: + New Slide Transitions: polish [ looking pretty good now ] + UserAgent display & tweakage [ merged & fixed by cloph ] + JanI setup extra build server, to act a RE backup + Android & iOS Remote + updates still planned + ARM one builds fine, but x86 assertion failure on build. * Documentation (Olivier) + up-loaded a patch to the dev-tools wrt. tweaking the XSL file + needs gerrit approval. + can it be pushed to the help repository (Kendy) + already have scripts there etc. + need to sit with Jay - who has another concept here (Kendy) + we have 3x parsers: Python, PHP, XSLT + python goes -> wiki-syntax + put others next to that. + don't check help-files in, just XSLT (Michael) + asks from meeting with Spanish & Brazilian community + waiting for official English / Reference docs. + want things TDF branded + and like more in-depth information. + working on documenting new features in help. + surely we have very detailed, in-depth books (Michael) + yes, lots of generic information. + still have un-documented features. + totally un-documented, or in the wiki, on ask ? (Bjoern) + books of ODF Authors & Help System (Olivier) + have gaps in both. + Books vs. Help ? (Michael) + done lots of help (Olivier) + now starting to look into the Books, + some of them are on 4.0 and need updates. + Books many chapters, describing lots of features. + Help a starting point for a quick view -> detail in Books. + is asking on 'ask' a good resource for getting input ? (Bjoern) + help to generate input there. * l10n (Sophie) + great that Cloph will help with the help. * GSoC 2016 (JanI) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten + Encouraged by some good newbies so far (Michael) + next important date, march 25, proposals must be agreed with mentors + mentors should be helping students to take care with proposals. + mentors: please make sure patches from your students are merged, or commented * Firebird update + upgrade to Firebird 3.0 and hope for the best? * UX Update (Kendy/Bubli) + single line toolbar discussed + can use the approach planned for notebookbar + have a possible GSoC student for this + OS X toolbar + currently trying to look 'native', but uses a strange API + seems better to use a solid color + but maybe there is a better API to use? * Crashtest update (Caolan) + 2 import failures, 0 export failures, 7 coverity + next run of coverity in few hours * Hackfests (Bjoern) + next venues / suggestions + Ankara, Turkey + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016 + talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training. + suggested date: 2016-04-30 + hope to go & do an
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-03-11
* Present: Jakub, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz * UI changes integrated the last week: + Improvements in menus and shortcuts (Jay) + Updates in Sifr (Jay) + Popup menu improvements (Maxim) + Icon view for Remote files dialog (Szymon) + More animation information in list control (Akshay) * Google and OneDrive CMIS functionality (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98360 + we are promoting this functionality with the new 'Remote Files' dialog but as it doesnt function right, many duplicate bugs are just being filed and closed. + google drive - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98416 + onedrive - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62437 + send in patch to hide OneDrive - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/22881/ + Will discuss this in the ESC (Kendy) * Single Toolbar Mode (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92218 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22818 + The idea was to have choice, not the default - right? (Kendy) + Yes, possibility to have only one row for the users that prefer such layout (Jay) + Created the xml file, hope to have a developer to switch easily (Jay) * Mac version with single color (Jay) * All icon themes look clearer on a plain white/light background similar to LibreOffice Vanilla https://www.collaboraoffice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/libreoffice-vanilla-1-1024x640.png http://i.imgur.com/57IpwOI.png http://standardsandfreedom.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Osx-native-toolbar.jpg-1024x640.png + The reason for the white is technical - cannot use the API in the sandboxed app (Kendy) + Actually in the newer OS X, the look changed, but LibreOffice still uses the old look (Jay) + We try to look as a native application (Kendy) + But we don’t have to (Jay) + The easiest would be to do a uniform color (Jay) + Would be good to add screenshots of some contemporary OS X apps, to mimic the look better (Kendy) + Will ask Steve (Jay) + iWork - http://notebooks.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pages-tool-tips.jpg / http://tidbits.com/resources/2014-10/iwork-mac-toolbars.png / https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U3p_cTb0d80/maxresdefault.jpg + WPD Reader - http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple2/v4/a2/a0/b5/a2a0b5fa-10b8-479e-54b3-498543a7df88/screen800x500.jpeg * Help/Documentation (Jay) + Writer's Insert menu completed + Awesome! (Kendy) * Scripts to convert .xhp help to html (Jay) + Help test servers needed - https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1584 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1856 * PHP script created to render the help repo similar to Olivier's http://hc3.edx.srv.br/ * Want to integrate Liongold's PHP script of my proposal for online xhp testing, else i'll have to recreate it + Helper script to test help files in help viewer - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22962 (needs to be pushed) + logerrit needed for help repo - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98488 + proposed to tender the editing of xhp's if struggle to get it via the community (Kendy) + Would be great to have the code in a repository (Kendy) + help or dev-tools or website repo ideally (Kendy) + Will publish that (Jay) + Will poke the admins for the VM again (Kendy) * Insert bookmark window (Jakub) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90855 + Screenshot - http://imgur.com/7uOROsr + Unable to change bookmark name (Jakub) + Should that be changed to allow that? (Jakub) + Would be good (Jay) + Will push changes to gerrit soon (Jakub) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-03-18
* Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Xaviju * UI changes integrated the last week: + Shortcuts improvements (Jay) + Allow multiple status bar functions at the same time (Dennis) + Various gtk3 fixes (Caolan) + Message missing from blank properties tab (Fabio) + Don't close the spellchecker when finished (Samuel) + Resize media and OLE objects proportionally by default (Samuel) + Track icon changes in the new menus (Maxim) + Galaxy anchor markers can be dragged again (Regina) + Mail merge workflow rework - new toolbar, removed some wizard steps (Kendy, Miklos) * GSoC + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + students appearing, good! + important to get a non-trivial Easy Hack done! (Kendy) + plus points for easy hacks in the areas the students are applying for (Kendy) * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko) + Due to accessibility Ctrl+S is not enough, and the split option confuses sometimes (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730) + Save as known from the main menu is not available in the customization + How to name this function to make the difference to the new Save clear (Ideas: "Just save", "Save directly", "Legacy Save", "Save Document") + the single button was changed from normal buttton to split button (Jay) + not possible to have the same command as split and non-split in the toolbar (Kendy) + but possible to have an additional button for 'normal' save (Kendy) + not sure I understand the core of the issue here though? (Kendy) + comment 10 + sounds like a very special use case (Samuel) + the initial proposal was to have a new .uno: command for the split button (Jay) + but in the end, it was implemented as an extension of .uno:Save (Jay) + conclusion: Let's create a separate bug report for this & easy-hackize it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98745 + in there, .uno:Save would be non-split, and there will be an additional .uno:SaveExt that will have the split + maybe it's possible to use the command alias by Maxim (Samuel) + will try it (Jay) + with the alias, the alias will probably be the non-split variant - .uno:SaveLegacy or so (Jay/Kendy) + concern about the naming for the customization dialog (Heiko / Jay) * Sidebar survey + first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage + users want freedom + and prefer static interfaces + needs more detailed analysis still (Heiko) + lots of free text too (Heiko) + can see the raw data? (Jay) + yes, attached there too (Heiko) + will finish the Draw survey first, then this (Heiko) + not urgent now, but good to have the data (Heiko) * Removal of the properties dialog in template mangager (Jay) + Akshay submited a patch to remove it as has no benefit https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/23339/ + apparently it shares Impress code some way (good) (Kendy) + but a bad way (bad) (Kendy) + you can modify it, have a toolbar there, etc. + there is a proposal for additional rework (Jay) + problems with the current one: toolbar that appears and disappears (Heiko) + would be better to not have the Properties, and instead the additional info in the sidebar or something (Heiko) + concern about tabs (Heiko) + they are gone in the proposal (Jay) + conclusion: Heiko and Jay will initiate a Design session to finalize the proposal + and then it's ready for implementation :-) + will subscribe to the Design ML (Akshay) * Google and OneDrive CMIS functionality (Jay) + discussed this in the ESC, Cloph is on this (Kendy) * Single Toolbar Mode (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92218 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22818 + the concern was a specialized button to hide some toolbars, and show other (Samuel) + the mechanism was more about providing more kind of views - switch from toolbar-centric view to sidebar-centric (Jay) + some configurable way to have a 'sidebar mode', and 'toolbar mode'; and potentially 'single toolbar mode' - ideally with saving the previous state (Jay) + this goes nicely with https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#Infrastructure_for_defining_toolbars_via_.ui_.28Glade.29_files (Kendy) + how the customization would be handled? (Heiko) + for the GSoC, we can do switching widgets on and off, but moving would be hard (Kendy) + possibility to use glade though (Kendy) + concern about the switching between the modes - is it useful for the user? (Heiko) + like, when they cannot
