[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Oct-28

2016-10-28 Thread Heiko Tietze
ATTENTION: LAST WEEK WITH DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME. 
NEXT WEEK WE START AT 1pm/13:00 UTC (still 2pm/14:00 CET)
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Present:  Italo, Olivier, Samuel, Tomas, Jay, Heiko, Stuart

Tickets

 * Sentence or paragraph with too many words
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102051
   + Pro: Belongs to (internal) grammar check
   + Con: No official rule, so it has to be an extension
   => not part of grammar checking (Jay)

 * Hyperlink/Link issue (Samuel)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103093
   + depends on languages, and translators (Olivier)
   + Link is okay, but not native (Olivier)

 * Inconsistent behavior of clone formatting 
   + e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59029
   + make a bullet list and try to cf this
   + ctrl+shift+click?
   + at least an indication is needed
   => postponed (more expertise needed)

 * Connection to TDF services
+ Menu Help  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
+ Need consensus for set of external links
   + reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/
   + IRC (Telegram?) http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa
   - QA split over various platform is not good
   - consider to introduce a bridge between platforms
   - prioritize TDF environment
   - both on-hold until requested (and links are privided on wiki)?
   + How to handle NL communities.
   - handle by infra
   => good to go with forwarding (2/3 voting against fix links in the menu)

Tasks

 * MUFFIN concept
   + 1. My User Friendly & Flexible INterface
   + 2. Multiple User Friendly & Flexible INterface
   + 3. My User Friendly INterface
   + 4. MUch Friendlier INterface
   + 5. MUlti Form Factor INterface (the original)
   + Vote for #1 (Italo)

 * Wiki new whiteboard
   + draft: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yPJG_4kbs2COkCPZpzOMWLJZScDsMMFmnlIaSwF6b9M/
   + old: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
   -> discussion postponed but please read and comment

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[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-10-28 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
 + Stephan, Sophie, Andras, Caolan, JanI, Olivier, Michael M, Eike,
   Christian, Miklos, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Norbert, Michael S,
   Xisco, Bubli
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael)
 [ Script now controls last month gerrit patches daily against list of 
licenses
 Primary result 140 emails without license
 Checked names against Wiki Developers
 Result 42 emails, where I cannot find the licese, will email those 
(JanI )
   Can you run it for say the last 2 years ? (Michael)
 Need to have private legal@ pieces included ]
 yes just setting a different deltatime, private legal@ can be added
 without problems, if I know the email (janI)
+ get a small UX tweak code-change committed (Heiko)
   [ this was already 2016-10-06, see 
core_b15fef02c9311e0c160906769abbf96a96e56c73 (jani) ]
+ bisected keyword added to esc-commit-stats.pl (Xisco)
+ Jitsi - send some instructions out for next time (Michael)
[ not done, requires telephone bridge setup etc.
  Tried to create a Google G-suite account - failed horribly
   - costs 2x+ what was advertised, forces domain-name registration.
  We have a Jitsi server - but no phone bridge. ]
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ narrowed down to mid January now, no impact on us. ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
[ Betacowork available on 6-7 February - after FOSDEM, but not before.
  Prefer before, but not enough to do anything (Eike).
  AI: will book later today (Sophie); Friday is too busy. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ update - an ongoing issue here. ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 5.1.6 - end of line: any retrospectives ?
+ announced as final today
+ too early for a retrospective yet.
+ 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI)
+ on servers right now.
+ uploaded and announced for testing today
+ messup in Slovenian / sl translation (overridden by accident)
+ need to do an RC3 just to fix this.
+ an RC3 is prolly easier to manage on the mirrors.
+ much appreciated (Sophie)
+ need to figure out what needs to be undone / reverted etc.
+ expect tag today/tomorrow.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1
+ announced for testing - available from mirrors.
+ build issue when signing them on Windows
+ a race - signing when file are still in-use
+ had to re-run make
+ need to isolate the root cause.
+ has the onedrive keys - but they don't work anymore.
+ apparently onedrive changed the API; needs investigating.
+ 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch - Nov 21st
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ finished building Android remotes, did review of pending patches.
+ same for Android viewer, will publish to beta channel & await 
feedback.
+ looking into the F-droid thing too.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
* New contributors Dr. Geepan on Help contents
   + (NET)WORKDAYS.INTL functions
  + Contents by Dr. Geepan
  + Help page creation by Olivier
   + More to come
* Progress in new help system (with browser) by Fabio Biocchetti
   + First patch in gerrit
  + Creation of a micro xhp-page server in javascript
  + Support from Olivier and Eike
* New author for LibeOffice books, updating Getting Started (Dave Koelmeyer)
  + revised by Olivier
  + Proofread by Hazel Hussman
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Total num. of needsUXEval 470 (-2)
+ Base  1
+ Calc 35 (+1)
+ Draw 65
+ Extensions0
+ filters and storage   1
+ framework 1
+ Impress  24
+ Installation  0
+ LibreOffice 248 (-2)
+ Localization  0
+ Printing and PDF export   2 (+1)
+ UI   16
+ Writer   77
  + Silent week, organization with meta tickets ongoing

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Better-organization-of-bugs-with-meta-bugs-tp4198286.html
  + New more welcoming landing page at the wiki; next step is to update 
subsidiary sites
  + only one easy-hack with skill design currently.
  + how to get feedback ?
  + reddit - ranting; positive feedback on facebook.
  + font-management: more discussion of details.
  + Q: How to build & communicate statistics?
  + Xisco - has a nice script to parse JSON bugzilla dumps
  + can Usability re-use this script and run on VM 174 ?
  + discussed with Jan this week: no clear decision.
  + running it locally currently (Xisco)
  + what do you want to track ?