[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: 
+ Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
   Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
   Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
+ turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
[ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
  It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
  mostly it happens for non-live variables.
  Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen 
there.
 + very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
 + don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build 
should be the best.
  Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
  + configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? 
(Michael M)
 + concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - 
mangling that (Miklos)
 + would need a reproducible scenario.
 + can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging 
session (Markus)
  => disable when we have a concrete bug report.
+ ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
[ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
+ need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ internal conversation ongoing ]
+ move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
[ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
+ improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan
+ Venetian language: request to add.
+ made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
+ already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
   https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/
=> just merge it.
+ 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
+ waiting for pootle to do template updates
   + must be something wrong with VM / KVM
   + can't get that going.
+ need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
+ Late features:
+ separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
+ still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the 
script.
+ we need to see the impact on translators.
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ now completed - and all fixes back-ported
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ master is green now.
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)
+ branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
 + separating images and icons for help modules
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
=> defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
+ Cloph has script templates
+ but needs examples of the changes to the UI 
files.
  + Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
   ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
  + 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians
+ 
http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/
+ Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready.
  + https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/
+ Community seeking more work
  + writing a spec. for BOD.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3) 
commented 14(-40)   187(-48)   926(-61)   2793(-32)
  removed  0(0)   1(0)  24(-2)  30(0)  
 resolved  6(-1) 17(1) 115(3)  133(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
 Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
 Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 

[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Dec-08

2016-12-08 Thread Heiko Tietze
Present:  Kendy, Samuel, Heiko

Tickets

 * Bullet lists defaults
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92657
   + Option 1: Replace OpenSymbol as default for bullets by text default
   + Option 2: Reduce bullet size so that spacing is not affected by symbols
   + code pointers needed
   -> no easy hack, needs investigation

 * Inserting shapes in Draw shouldn't require multiple clicks (Jay)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90748
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39268
   - Double click is the Libo way to do things repeatedly (Stuart, Cor, Heiko)
 - not really accurate across all apps
   - Hard to find out for new users (Jay)
   - Workflow is different and in Writer usually more than one object is added 
 where Draw rather is to manipulate what has been added (Stuart)
   - better to teach users about our good solution (single click = single 
action, double click = sticky) (Heiko)
   - create proposals with pro/cons for the next meeting so a simple decision 
yay/nay is possible

   + Writer/Calc (Cor via email)
 - Single click causes multiple inserting of objects.
 Draw/Impress:
 - Single click causes single insert of objects.
 - Double click needed for multiple after another..
 For both:
 - The last draw object is selected and can be resized;
 - The cursor becomes/is normal with click on document area. Or after ESC.
 Now my consideration:
 - it's easier to click in doc, or push ESC (to end insert mode) than to
   discover double-click.
 - So, unless the default behavior in other similar tools is as we have
   in Draw currently, I'm fine with a change as Jay suggests.
   + how about an module dependent option whether or not the double click is 
active by default (Heiko)
   + if it's burning, can have it as a GSoC project next year (kendy)
   + run some research and compare with other programs (samuel)
   + ask the community; blog post/quick poll (Heiko)

Tasks 

 * Color palettes
   + Add Windows colors? (according ECMA OpenXML)
 + ugly palette, unsorted collection of colors
 -> leave it open for the community
 + close https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87541 
   + not decided
   + How to go ahead with standard.soc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87538 - new default
 -> postpone for Jay being in the meeting



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