[libreoffice-projects] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01
On 01/06/2023 15:57, Miklos Vajna wrote: * ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian) ... + process draft, full text: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3 Having spent time reading and providing feedback, when it was solicited on this draft, and having collected a number of obvious problems & suggested associated improvements - I'm surprised to have had no feedback on these: https://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg37.html It was proposed as: + this is not a fait-a-compli from the board perspective + not necessary for the ESC to adopt something that may change in a week or two anyway. + for the moment - just play by the rules. And fair enough to follow even a somewhat flawed process in parallel with the next steps for getting a more workable process - ideally before this is adopted. What is the bottleneck there? legal time? or something else? Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-projects] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01
No need to inform me, I always read ESC meetings minutes On 01/06/23 16:57, Miklos Vajna wrote: * Present: + Caolan, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Justin, Khaled, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael S, Miklos, Florian, Eike * Completed Action Items: + write to the marketing mailing list, explaining it's a good idea to make that decision now (Justin) + disable the problematic part of CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 for now (Xisco) + send the final LOCOn 2023 workshop dates to Gabriel by the end of the last week (Hossein/Stephane) + Done -> 21-23 Sepmtber (conference days) * Pending Action Items: * Release Engineering update (Cloph/Xisco) + 7.6 status: feature freeze in 1 week + beta 1 / feature freeze + rc 1 will be in 5 weeks / string / UI freeze + bring up late features if they won't make that date! + pin items on the start center (Heiko) + gerrit change: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152136 + 7.5 status: 7.5.4 rc2 this week, has been tagged yesterday + marketing clarified that the next version number is 24.2 (or 2024.2) (Justin) + "The one that fits best development: 24.2 or 2024.2 are the same for marketing" -suggest NOT 2024.2 (either 2024.02 or 24.(0)2 (date-hints are always 2 digit) -suggest 24.2.0 - 24.2.7 as first stated/hinted at by marketing (Justin) -safe: no need to require LO or external scripts to handle zero-padded versions. - concerned about dropping "20" from the "2024" (Stephan) - jumping from 99 is 2100 would be a possibility - 2024.2 is easier to recognize (Heiko) - 24 internally, 2024 externally? (Hossein) - important point: date-based (Cloph) - wonder if it'll be always releasing in February / August (Xisco) - don't think it'll be that confusing (Cloph) - the version label will reflect the change, if needed - main reason is to avoid finding arguments for version bump, made up, after the fact - was it considered to just always increment the major version like Firefox / Chrome does it? (Khaled) - would avoid completely switching - was considered, but rejected: would not provide any benefit compared to randomly bumping the major version (Cloph) - just increasing major version would also follow some projects (Michael S) - difference vs Firefox / Chrome (Thorsten) - nobody cares about the version anymore, due to auto-update - technically, 2024.2 is possible? (Hossein) - 2024.1, 2024.a or .b? - 2024 would be possible, but would prefer 24 (Cloph) - letters are harder (think of app stores) - not great to use different internal / external versions - x.y as major had the opportunity to make big noise about a release (Olivier) => go with 24.2 / 24.8 (all) AI: get back to Italo with this (Justin) * Documentation (Olivier) + Helpcontents2 + Added Tabbed UI menu path for many commands (ohallot) + Updates and fixes (A. Barrientos , S. Chaiklin, ohallot) + Guides + Published Math Guide 7.5 + Bugzilla Documentation statistics 260(260) bugs open + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months created 8(6) 35(-1) 93(-15) 303(-8) commented 15(9) 68(-9) 285(-15) 1036(-73) resolved 3(2) 17(2) 43(-5) 175(-4) + top 10 contributors: Olivier Hallot made 60 changes in 1 month, and 501 changes in 1 year Stéphane Guillou made 25 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year Roman Kuznetsov made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year Seth Chaiklin made 12 changes in 1 month, and 338 changes in 1 year Heiko Tietze made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year Vernon, Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year Kaganski, Mike made 4 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 1 year Bogdan B made 2 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year Cip made 2 changes in 1 month, and 2 changes in 1 year * UX Update (Heiko) + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 65(65) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months added 4(-1) 19(-1) 34(-1) 53(-3) commented 62(1) 298(-73) 898(-24) 2355(-77) removed 2(2) 6(2) 13(1) 28(2) resolved 8(3) 52(-2) 112(2) 316(4) + top 10 contributors: Heiko Tietze made 225 changes in 1 month, and 1461 changes in 1
Re: [libreoffice-projects] ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01
Hello, Miklos Vajna wrote on 01.06.23 at 16:57: + Items currently in the budget draft (Florian) + Text layout Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance + Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows + C++ accessibility tests + Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt + Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives + Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding) + Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one + Stabilize cross-page table layouting + Font subsetter for font embedding + Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth + ODT export nondeterminism + Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint + Decouple master slide and layouts + Look-ahead styleref field for Writer + Normalized spell checking + Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes + Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL + XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts Xisco discovered that there are some small glitches in the list, mostly things that are already in the works - apologies, I was doing that live in the ESC call on short notice. ;) I will send an update tomorrow. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-projects] ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01
* Present: + Caolan, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Justin, Khaled, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael S, Miklos, Florian, Eike * Completed Action Items: + write to the marketing mailing list, explaining it's a good idea to make that decision now (Justin) + disable the problematic part of CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 for now (Xisco) + send the final LOCOn 2023 workshop dates to Gabriel by the end of the last week (Hossein/Stephane) + Done -> 21-23 Sepmtber (conference days) * Pending Action Items: * Release Engineering update (Cloph/Xisco) + 7.6 status: feature freeze in 1 week + beta 1 / feature freeze + rc 1 will be in 5 weeks / string / UI freeze + bring up late features if they won't make that date! + pin items on the start center (Heiko) + gerrit change: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152136 + 7.5 status: 7.5.4 rc2 this week, has been tagged yesterday + marketing clarified that the next version number is 24.2 (or 2024.2) (Justin) + "The one that fits best development: 24.2 or 2024.2 are the same for marketing" -suggest NOT 2024.2 (either 2024.02 or 24.(0)2 (date-hints are always 2 digit) -suggest 24.2.0 - 24.2.7 as first stated/hinted at by marketing (Justin) -safe: no need to require LO or external scripts to handle zero-padded versions. - concerned about dropping "20" from the "2024" (Stephan) - jumping from 99 is 2100 would be a possibility - 2024.2 is easier to recognize (Heiko) - 24 internally, 2024 externally? (Hossein) - important point: date-based (Cloph) - wonder if it'll be always releasing in February / August (Xisco) - don't think it'll be that confusing (Cloph) - the version label will reflect the change, if needed - main reason is to avoid finding arguments for version bump, made up, after the fact - was it considered to just always increment the major version like Firefox / Chrome does it? (Khaled) - would avoid completely switching - was considered, but rejected: would not provide any benefit compared to randomly bumping the major version (Cloph) - just increasing major version would also follow some projects (Michael S) - difference vs Firefox / Chrome (Thorsten) - nobody cares about the version anymore, due to auto-update - technically, 2024.2 is possible? (Hossein) - 2024.1, 2024.a or .b? - 2024 would be possible, but would prefer 24 (Cloph) - letters are harder (think of app stores) - not great to use different internal / external versions - x.y as major had the opportunity to make big noise about a release (Olivier) => go with 24.2 / 24.8 (all) AI: get back to Italo with this (Justin) * Documentation (Olivier) + Helpcontents2 + Added Tabbed UI menu path for many commands (ohallot) + Updates and fixes (A. Barrientos , S. Chaiklin, ohallot) + Guides + Published Math Guide 7.5 + Bugzilla Documentation statistics 260(260) bugs open + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months created 8(6)35(-1) 93(-15)303(-8) commented 15(9)68(-9)285(-15) 1036(-73) resolved 3(2)17(2) 43(-5) 175(-4) + top 10 contributors: Olivier Hallot made 60 changes in 1 month, and 501 changes in 1 year Stéphane Guillou made 25 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year Roman Kuznetsov made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year Seth Chaiklin made 12 changes in 1 month, and 338 changes in 1 year Heiko Tietze made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year Vernon, Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year Kaganski, Mike made 4 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 1 year Bogdan B made 2 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year Cip made 2 changes in 1 month, and 2 changes in 1 year * UX Update (Heiko) + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 65(65) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month3 months 12 months added 4(-1)19(-1) 34(-1) 53(-3) commented 62(1)298(-73) 898(-24) 2355(-77) removed 2(2) 6(2) 13(1) 28(2) resolved 8(3) 52(-2)112(2) 316(4) + top 10 contributors: Heiko Tietze made 225 changes in 1 month, and 1461 changes in 1 year Stéphane Guillou made 82 changes in 1 month, and 334 changes in 1 year Roman Kuznetsov made 40 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year Bogdan B made 33
