Re: [libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11

2016-02-11 Thread David Tardon
Hi,

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> + Save button behavior (Samuel)
> 
> + Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown
> + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled
> -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled 
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/
> + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user 
> doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can)
> + Also users missing indication whether document is saved
> + possible solutions:
> + make only the dropdown active
> + move the functionality to Save As
> + what do you want from that button? (Heiko)
> + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko)
> + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time 
> (Kendy)
> + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar
> + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy)
> + not many people know about that though (Heiko)
> + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info 
> (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart)
> + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel)

We could add "Edited" (or "Modified") to the title bar, like Apple
Keynote/Pages/Numbers do (they do not have "Save" in the toolbar, but
the menu item is always active too).

D.

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[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11

2015-12-18 Thread Jan Holesovsky
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž

* UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Kill destructive color conversion menu in Impress (Tomaž)
+ ToolbarAsMenu controller in reportdesign (Maxim)
+ Displaymode icons (Andreas)
+ Improved toolbars (Jay)
+ Breeze icons improvements (Andreas)
+ Fix tooltips for frame alignment buttons (Samuel)

+ Save button behavior (Samuel)

+ Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown
+ Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled
-> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/
+ However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user 
doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can)
+ Also users missing indication whether document is saved
+ possible solutions:
+ make only the dropdown active
+ move the functionality to Save As
+ what do you want from that button? (Heiko)
+ is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko)
+ we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time (Kendy)
+ moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar
+ Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy)
+ not many people know about that though (Heiko)
+ the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info 
(Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart)
+ eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel)
+ additional / new icon indicator in the toolbar for that - disabled by 
default (Heiko)
+ icon that looks disabled, but still clickable (Samuel)
+ that would be confusing (Heiko)
+ possiblity to switch the icon to one with a star when unsaved 
changes? (Kendy)
+ decoration / small star
+ like it (Heiko)

+ any technical limitations when allowing saving all the time? (Heiko)
+ not that I am aware of (Kendy)
+ conclusion:
+ implement switching of the Save icon to a "Document has changes" state
+ decorator, like an added star (Andreas promised to take a look, 
at least for Breeze)
+ enable Save always
+ remove the configuration setting to disable the Save button (because 
it would be confusing when the user switches to "disabling")
+ hide the Save As from the toolbar
+ Samuel will talk to Maxim, let's still try to get this in as a late 
feature

+ Navigator in Impress & Draw (Samuel)

+ What to do with "Show Navigator when Slideshow running"?
+ there is a possibility to have the navigator visible during presenting 
(Samuel)
+ but that's the point of the presenter console (Samuel)
+ would like to remove this feature (Samuel)
+ does not even work in my 5.0 :-) (Kendy)
+ looks unused / nobody misses this feature apparently (Samuel / all)
+ keep in mind that people wanted the use case the separate window for 
navigator in Writer (Stuart)
+ conclusion:
+ let's remove the "Navigator visible" from Slide Show -> Slide Show 
Settings...
+ if there is a missing functionality, let's find out the exact use 
case, and add to the presenter console
+ EasyHack created for this: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96414

+ Mail merge toolbar (Kendy)

+ current problem: in the Mail Merge Wizard, the document state switches 
between the "Source" and "Target" view
+ confuses users a lot
+ proposed to drop the last 3 screens from the mail merge wizard
+ instead put this functionality to a toolbar, that has
+ Mail Merge Wizard (for changes in the address settings etc)
+ back and forth for navigation
+ skip recipient
+ Edit Individual Documents...
+ Print (range)
+ e-mail (range)
+ conclusion: sounds good
+ will share the prototype when I get there (Kendy)

* Suggestions from Roland (Samuel)

+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html

+ Roland now bootstrapped, let's see (Samuel)
+ we can close this topic for now

* Table styles blog post (Heiko)

+ shared a draft
+ needs a bit of discussion too unfortunately (Heiko)
+ discussed it in the call (Kendy/Heiko)
+ Heiko will finish the draft & publish

* Start Center GUI suggestions for change (Stuart)

+ there were some new proposals about the start center (Stuart)
+ thanks so much for thinking in the new ways
+ sharing only a screenshot is not enough though
+ when considering a big change, more communication is needed - 
encourage to
  join the #libreoffice-design, and discuss there

+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96383
+ Change Start Screen - kompilainenn's
+ very concise, tabbed GUI -- maybe an alternate to current thumbnail 
based (Stuart)
+ would