[libreoffice-projects] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01

2023-06-01 Thread Michael Meeks


On 01/06/2023 15:57, Miklos Vajna wrote:

* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian)

...

   + process draft, full text:
     https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3


	Having spent time reading and providing feedback, when it was solicited 
on this draft, and having collected a number of obvious problems & 
suggested associated improvements - I'm surprised to have had no 
feedback on these:


https://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg37.html

It was proposed as:

+ this is not a fait-a-compli from the board perspective
+ not necessary for the ESC to adopt something that may change
  in a week or two anyway.
+ for the moment - just play by the rules.

	And fair enough to follow even a somewhat flawed process in parallel 
with the next steps for getting a more workable process - ideally before 
this is adopted. What is the bottleneck there? legal time? or something 
else?


Thanks,

Michael.

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01

2023-06-01 Thread Italo Vignoli

No need to inform me, I always read ESC meetings minutes

On 01/06/23 16:57, Miklos Vajna wrote:

* Present:
     + Caolan, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Justin, Khaled, Olivier, 
Stephan, Xisco, Michael S, Miklos, Florian, Eike


* Completed Action Items:
     + write to the marketing mailing list, explaining it's a good idea 
to make that decision now (Justin)
     + disable the problematic part of CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 for now 
(Xisco)
     + send the final LOCOn 2023 workshop dates to Gabriel by the end of 
the last week (Hossein/Stephane)

   + Done -> 21-23 Sepmtber (conference days)

* Pending Action Items:


* Release Engineering update (Cloph/Xisco)
     + 7.6 status: feature freeze in 1 week + beta 1 / feature freeze
   + rc 1 will be in 5 weeks / string / UI freeze
   + bring up late features if they won't make that date!
     + pin items on the start center (Heiko)
   + gerrit change: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152136

     + 7.5 status: 7.5.4 rc2 this week, has been tagged yesterday

     + marketing clarified that the next version number is 24.2 (or 
2024.2) (Justin)
   + "The one that fits best development: 24.2 or 2024.2 are the 
same for marketing"
     -suggest NOT 2024.2 (either 2024.02 or 24.(0)2 (date-hints are 
always 2 digit)
     -suggest 24.2.0 - 24.2.7 as first stated/hinted at by marketing 
(Justin)


     -safe: no need to require LO or external scripts to handle 
zero-padded versions.


   - concerned about dropping "20" from the "2024" (Stephan)

     - jumping from 99 is 2100 would be a possibility

   - 2024.2 is easier to recognize (Heiko)

   - 24 internally, 2024 externally? (Hossein)

     - important point: date-based (Cloph)

   - wonder if it'll be always releasing in February / August (Xisco)

     - don't think it'll be that confusing (Cloph)

     - the version label will reflect the change, if needed

     - main reason is to avoid finding arguments for version bump, 
made up, after the fact


     - was it considered to just always increment the major version 
like Firefox / Chrome does it? (Khaled)


   - would avoid completely switching

   - was considered, but rejected: would not provide any benefit 
compared to randomly bumping the major version (Cloph)


   - just increasing major version would also follow some 
projects (Michael S)


   - difference vs Firefox / Chrome (Thorsten)

     - nobody cares about the version anymore, due to auto-update

   - technically, 2024.2 is possible? (Hossein)

     - 2024.1, 2024.a or .b?

   - 2024 would be possible, but would prefer 24 (Cloph)

   - letters are harder (think of app stores)

   - not great to use different internal / external versions

   - x.y as major had the opportunity to make big noise about a 
release (Olivier)


   => go with 24.2 / 24.8 (all)

     AI: get back to Italo with this (Justin)


* Documentation (Olivier)
     + Helpcontents2
    + Added Tabbed UI menu path for many commands (ohallot)
    + Updates and fixes (A. Barrientos , S. Chaiklin, ohallot)
     + Guides
    + Published Math Guide 7.5

     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
     260(260) bugs open
     + Updates:
     BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
    created  8(6)    35(-1) 93(-15)    303(-8)
  commented 15(9)    68(-9)    285(-15)   1036(-73)
   resolved  3(2)    17(2)  43(-5) 175(-4)
     + top 10 contributors:
   Olivier Hallot made 60 changes in 1 month, and 501 changes in 
1 year
   Stéphane Guillou made 25 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes 
in 1 year
   Roman Kuznetsov made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 
1 year
   Seth Chaiklin made 12 changes in 1 month, and 338 changes in 
1 year
   Heiko Tietze made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 
year
   Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes 
in 1 year
   Vernon, Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 44 
changes in 1 year
   Kaganski, Mike made 4 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 
1 year

   Bogdan B made 2 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
   Cip made 2 changes in 1 month, and 2 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
     276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 65(65) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam

     + Updates:
     BZ changes   1 week   1 month    3 months   12 months
  added  4(-1)    19(-1) 34(-1)  53(-3)
  commented 62(1)    298(-73)   898(-24)   2355(-77)
    removed  2(2)  6(2)  13(1)   28(2)
   resolved  8(3) 52(-2)    112(2)  316(4)
     + top 10 contributors:
   Heiko Tietze made 225 changes in 1 month, and 1461 changes in 
1