date:20110221

Lihat saja kitab sucinya. Kalau berubah setiap kali naik
cetak, apalagi ada yang ayat-ayatnya kosong namun lalu
setelah sekian lama punya "isi", jelas campur tangan
manusia.

@Mur_baut ikuti terus postingannya nDebbost,
lalu kalau sempat sesekali nimbrung.  Pasti Asyik

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, siap murtad 
wrote:
>
> Adakah Agama Yang
Sejati?http://answering-islam.org/indonesian/isu-isu-terkini/agama-sejat\
i.html
>
>
>
>
>
>Oleh: Dallas M. Roark, Ph.D
>
> Jika kita menginginkan agar diskusi mengenai agama
> yang sejati menjadi sesuatu yang bermakna, maka diskusi itu harus
> mempunyai titik awal obyektif. Jelasnya, diskusi itu harus paralel
> dengan metode ilmiah. Kita tidak dapat memulainya dengan faktor yang
> diberikan begitu saja pada kita. Titik awal itu haruslah merupakan
> sesuatu yang dapat diterima dan dimiliki oleh semua orang. Ia tidak
> dapat berasal dari sudut pandang suatu kitab suci tertentu. Tidaklah
> bermanfaat bagi orang Kristen untuk mengutip Alkitab untuk seorang
> Muslim, atau seorang Budha apabila salah satu atau kedua agama
tersebut
> menolak Alkitab sebagai kitab yang berotoritas. Jika kita harus
> berhadapan dengan pertanyaan mengenai agama yang sejati, kita harus
> memulainya sebelum kitab-kitab itu digunakan. Kita tidak dapat
> memulainya dengan praduga bahwa satu agama tertentu lebih baik dari
> agama lainnya. Ravi Zacharias mengatakan bahwa besar kemungkinan semua
> agama adalah palsu daripada semua agama adalah benar. Ada terlalu
banyak
>  kontradiksi di antara sistem-sistem keagamaan. Di jaman akurasi
politik
>  seperti saat ini, nampaknya perkataan sopan yang harus disampaikan
> adalah bahwa semua agama adalah sama, dan semua agama mempunyai tujuan
> yang sama. Hanya orang-orang yang tidak tahu apa-apa yang akan berkata
> seperti itu.
>
>
> Blaise Pascal, seorang ilmuwan Perancis dan seorang
> jenius dalam hal agama pada abad ke-17, mengusulkan sebuah poin awal
> untuk mendiskusikan isu mengenai agama yang sejati, yang mungkin dapat
> diterima oleh semua orang.
>
>
> Pascal berusaha untuk mengemukakan
> proposisi-proposisi tertentu, berdasarkan pada observasi dan sebagai
> bagian dari nalar, yang akan menolong orang untuk menemukan agama yang
> sejati, apabila agama yang sejati itu memang ada. Walaupun Pascal
tidak
> pernah menyelesaikan usulan karyanya, potongan-potongan pemikirannya
>  (Pensées)  telah menjadi salah satu literatur klasik dunia.
Pendekatan
> Pascal memiliki fitur yang dapat diterima oleh semua orang: setiap
orang
>  dapat melihat, mengobservasi, dan menarik kesimpulan-kesimpulan dari
> tempat dimana ia berdiri. Ini benar-benar merupakan suatu metode
> induktif.  (Harus dikatakan bahwa pendekatan Pascal bersifat
> pre-yudisial karena ia berasal dari tradisi Kristen, sehingga harus
> diingat bahwa prinsip-prinsip ini bukanlah produk iman Kristen. 
Apakah
> prinsip-prinsip ini benar atau salah tidak bergantung pada apakah
> seseorang adalah Kristen atau tidak. Prinsip-prinsip tersebut
berhadapan
>  dengan fakta-fakta yang dapat didiskusikan dalam konteks agama
apapun.
> Pertanyaan-pertanyaan ini tidaklah lazim bagi semua orang, dan dapat
> diverifikasi dari pengalaman semua orang).
>
> Read More
>
http://answering-islam.org/indonesian/isu-isu-terkini/agama-sejati.html
> Ebooks
>
>
>
>
>
>Perang Suci dalam Islam
>
>Penulis: Abd al-Masih
>
> Barangsiapa membaca Qur'an akan menemukan 95 ayat yang mengikat secara
sah;
>
> yang oleh para pemimpin ahli hukum keempat mahzab hukum Islam dipilih
sebagai
>
> dasar legislasi mereka terhadap Perang Suci. Abd al-Masih menjelaskan
apa dan bagaimana Perang Suci yang dilakukan Muslim.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yesus dan Muhammad
>
>Penulis: Mark Gabriel PhD
>
> Mengungkap Kesamaan Yang Mengejutkan dan Perbedaan Yang Besar antara
Yesus dan Muhammad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Understanding Muhammad Psychobiography (Memahami Muhammad
Psikobiografi)
>
>Penulis: Ali Sina
>
> Untuk memahami Muslim, orang harus memahami Muhammad, nabinya. Inilah
> sebuah master piece tentang sejarah kejiwaan (Psychobiography)
Muhammad
> yang dianggap Muslim sebagai sempurna. Percaya semuanya sempuna? Lalu
> apa yang membuat Muslim melakukan tindak kekerasan? Apa yang memicu
> mereka melakukan kerusuhan dan pembunuhan atas hal-hal yang teramat
> konyol? Psychobiography inilah yang mengungkapkan misteri Muhammad
> secara ilmiah dan mendalam. Dan ribuan Muslim telah meninggalkan Islam
> setelah membaca semua ini!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Tuduhan Ahmed Deedat Terhadap Alkitab
>
>Penulis: Zakaria Boutros
>
> Berisi Jawaban Zakaria Boutros terhadap buku Combat Kit dari Ahmed
Deedat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The Torn Veil (Kerudung yang Terkoyak)
>
>Penulis: Noble Din
>
> Seperti yang dituturkan kepada Thelma Sangster
>
> Kisah pertobatan yang memilukan dari sister Gulshan Esther (Gulshan
> Fatima), seorang keturunan langsung Muhammad melalui putrinya Fatima.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The Origins of the Koran (Membedah Asal-Usul Quran)
>
>Pe

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[proletar] Re: Yesus a.s KATEBE (9)-Utk Orang Yahudi, Tauk

Merasa raja namun ga punya rakyat, lalu yang dianggap
rakyatnya malah mau membunuh sang raja, gimana
cerita?
Lebih teruk, sang raja lalu meghindari mereka, rakyatnya
Piye tha?

Yoh 7:1 Sesudah itu Yesus berjalan keliling Galilea, sebab Ia tidak mau
tetap tinggal di Yudea, karena di sana orang-orang Yahudi berusaha untuk
membunuh-Nya.

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>
>
> Yesus a.s KATEBE (8)-Utk Orang Yahudi
>
> Yoh 8:31 Maka kata-Nya kepada orang-orang Yahudi yang percaya
> kepada-Nya: "Jikalau kamu tetap dalam firman-Ku, kamu benar-benar
adalah
> murid-Ku
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yoh 11:8 Murid-murid itu berkata kepada-Nya: "Rabi, baru-baru ini
> > orang-orang Yahudi mencoba melempari Engkau, masih maukah Engkau
> kembali
> > ke sana?"
> >
> >
> >
> > Rabi mau dilempari rakyatnya. Hwarakadah. Takut ga ya?
> >
> > Eh, R A B I ? Para murid bilangnya R A B I ? Gak salah?
> >
>

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[proletar] Re: Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Dipo yang memang gila dan otaknya sudah busuk tentu tidak tahu bahwa ajaran 
agama Islam itu bertentngan dengan demokrasi...

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg"  wrote:
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> 
> Aneh, 
> orang nuntut demokrasi kok dikaitin ke agama. 
> Lagipula orang kalo Arab tuh pasti Islam ye plik? 
> 
> Mabok mulu lu... 
> 
> --- "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> 
> > Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..
> > 
> > Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing 
> > Islam yang selama ini mengungkung mereka...
> > 
> > Tapi orang Indonesia berotak anjing seperti Dipo, johny-indon,
> > ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus,
> > Tawang dll. masih tetap menganut agama anjing itu..
> >
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[proletar] Re: Bls: Bls: Bls: [debat_ islam-kristen] bukti Yesus bukan Tuhan

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik siap murtad

Ada kok Penggembira, anda belum baca Alkitab dari Kejadian-Wahyu, ini 
buktinya:) Baca ayat 7 nya ya:)

Rev 21:1  Lalu aku melihat langit yang baru dan bumi yang baru, sebab langit 
yang pertama dan bumi yang pertama telah berlalu, dan lautpun tidak ada lagi. 
Rev 21:2  Dan aku melihat kota yang kudus, Yerusalem yang baru, turun dari 
sorga, dari Allah, yang berhias bagaikan pengantin perempuan yang berdandan 
untuk suaminya. 
Rev 21:3  Lalu aku mendengar suara yang nyaring dari takhta itu berkata: 
"Lihatlah, kemah Allah ada di tengah-tengah manusia dan Ia akan diam 
bersama-sama dengan mereka. Mereka akan menjadi umat-Nya dan Ia akan menjadi 
Allah mereka. 
Rev 21:4  Dan Ia akan menghapus segala air mata dari mata mereka, dan maut 
tidak akan ada lagi; tidak akan ada lagi perkabungan, atau ratap tangis, atau 
dukacita, sebab segala sesuatu yang lama itu telah berlalu." 
Rev 21:5  Ia yang duduk di atas takhta itu berkata: "Lihatlah, Aku menjadikan 
segala sesuatu baru!" Dan firman-Nya: "Tuliskanlah, karena segala perkataan ini 
adalah tepat dan benar." 
Rev 21:6  Firman-Nya lagi kepadaku: "Semuanya telah terjadi. Aku adalah Alfa 
dan Omega, Yang Awal dan Yang Akhir. Orang yang haus akan Kuberi minum dengan 
cuma-cuma dari mata air kehidupan. 
Rev 21:7  Barangsiapa menang, ia akan memperoleh semuanya ini, dan Aku akan 
menjadi Allahnya dan ia akan menjadi anak-Ku. 

Aku di situ adalah YESUS.

Jadi, bacalah ALKITAB dari Kejadian-Wahyu, anda akan menemukan MUTIARA2 yg 
BERHARGA bagi TUBUH, JIWA dan ROH anda, penggembira, bahkan dunia akhirat anda 
akan menemukan DAMAI YANG SEJATI dalam YESUS. Halelu-YAH.

Inilah KABAR SUKACITA bagi mu Penggembira,

SELAYANG PANDANG

Pendahuluan
 1. ALKITAB 1 – APAKAH AL-QURAN TIDAK MEMILIKI KESALAHAN?
  2. ALKITAB 2 – APAKAH ALKITAB SUDAH DIPALSUKAN?
  3. ALKITAB 3 – APAKAH MUSA MENUBUATKAN KEDATANGAN MUHAMMAD?
  4. ALKITAB 4 – MENGAPA ANDA BISA PERCAYA KEPADA ALKITAB?
  5. ALKITAB 5 – MENGAPA KAUM MUSLIM TIDAK PERCAYA KEPADA ALKITAB?
6. SALIB 1 – SIAPAKAH YANG AKAN MASUK NERAKA?
7. SALIB 2 – APAKAH KRISTUS DISALIBKAN?
8. SALIB 3 – BAGAIMANA ANAK ABRAHAM DITEBUS?
9. SALIB 4 – MENGAPA YESUS MATI BAGI DOSA-DOSA ANDA?
  10. SALIB 5 – MENGAPA AL-QURAN MENYANGKAL SALIB?
11. TRITUNGGAL 1 – MENGAPA MUHAMMAD DAN BUKAN KRISTUS?
  12. TRITUNGGAL 2 – APAKAH KE-TRITUNGGALAN ALLAH ADALAH DUSTA?
  13. TRITUNGGAL 3 – APAKAH KRISTUS SAMA DENGAN ADAM?
  14. TRITUNGGAL 4 – BAGAIMANA MUNGKIN ALLAH ITU TRITUNGGAL?
  15. TRITUNGGAL 5 – MENGAPA AL-QURAN MENOLAK TRITUNGGAL?
Appendix: Hukum emas dalam percakapan dengan kaum Muslim
Daftar Muslim yang Meninggalkan ISLAM
Orang-Orang yang Meninggalkan ISLAM





--- Pada Sel, 22/2/11, penggembira  menulis:

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Tanggal: Selasa, 22 Februari, 2011, 6:04 AM







 



  



  
  
  

  
  


Kenyataan tidak ada satupun dlm bible yg mencatat pernyataan Yesus
yg menyebut dirinya adalah Allah..  



Kasihan kan kristen ini pada menipu diri sendiri..., Quran dgn jelas
mengatakan siapa Yesus sesungguhnya bahkan dia pun mengakuinya
sebagai Hamba Allah, dan dia tidak tahu apa saja kelakuan umatnya
setelah dia diselamatkan oleh Allah.. paham





On 20/02/2011 19:53, Sonny Menulis:

  
  
  
Bukan menjadi Allah, tetapi memang Dia adalah Allah.paham
bro ?



Jangan melebar dulu, konteksnya adalah mengenai Yang Awal dan
Yang Akhir. Alkitab dengan jelas mengatakan kalau Yesus
sudah ada di jaman Daud, bahkan sebelum Abraham ada Dia sudah
ada..jadi argumentasi  muslim menolak Yesus sebagai Yang
Awal dan Yang Akhir sudah gugur.



Yesus tidak mati secara rohani, ketika Dia mati dikayu salib,
RohNya turun ketempat orang2 mati untuk memberitakan Injil

kok dibilang mati suriheheheh.



-sony-





Bls: Bls: Bls: [debat_ islam-kristen] bukti Yesus bukan Tuhan 
  

  
Apa menjadi Allah? hei hei lalu sebelah kiri Yesus siapa?
  katanya Yesus di kanan Allah, yang di kiri Allah palsu ye?



Yesus nggak mati secara rohani (rohnya masih di tubuhnya)
  tapi mati secara fisik (jantung nggak dek dek-an), itu mah
  mati suri.



nah sekarang bagaimana Anda mentafsirkan
  perkataan Yesus?


  
  Dari:
  Sonny 

  Kepada:
  debat_islam-kris...@yahoogroups.com

  Terkirim:
  Ming, 20 Februari, 2011 11:00:01

  Judul: Re:
  Bls: Bls: [debat_ islam-kristen] bukti Yesus bukan Tuhan



 

  
Loh...Yesus adalah nama Dia ketika Dia di dunia
ini..

[proletar] Ini Pasti Bukan Islam!

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik siap murtad

Ini Pasti Bukan Islam!


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[proletar] Adakah Agama Yang Sejati? http://answering-islam.org/indonesian

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik siap murtad

Adakah Agama Yang 
Sejati?http://answering-islam.org/indonesian/isu-isu-terkini/agama-sejati.html





Oleh: Dallas M. Roark, Ph.D
 
Jika kita menginginkan agar diskusi mengenai agama 
yang sejati menjadi sesuatu yang bermakna, maka diskusi itu harus 
mempunyai titik awal obyektif. Jelasnya, diskusi itu harus paralel 
dengan metode ilmiah. Kita tidak dapat memulainya dengan faktor yang 
diberikan begitu saja pada kita. Titik awal itu haruslah merupakan 
sesuatu yang dapat diterima dan dimiliki oleh semua orang. Ia tidak 
dapat berasal dari sudut pandang suatu kitab suci tertentu. Tidaklah 
bermanfaat bagi orang Kristen untuk mengutip Alkitab untuk seorang 
Muslim, atau seorang Budha apabila salah satu atau kedua agama tersebut 
menolak Alkitab sebagai kitab yang berotoritas. Jika kita harus 
berhadapan dengan pertanyaan mengenai agama yang sejati, kita harus 
memulainya sebelum kitab-kitab itu digunakan. Kita tidak dapat 
memulainya dengan praduga bahwa satu agama tertentu lebih baik dari 
agama lainnya. Ravi Zacharias mengatakan bahwa besar kemungkinan semua 
agama adalah palsu daripada semua agama adalah benar. Ada terlalu banyak
 kontradiksi di antara sistem-sistem keagamaan. Di jaman akurasi politik
 seperti saat ini, nampaknya perkataan sopan yang harus disampaikan 
adalah bahwa semua agama adalah sama, dan semua agama mempunyai tujuan 
yang sama. Hanya orang-orang yang tidak tahu apa-apa yang akan berkata 
seperti itu.   


Blaise Pascal, seorang ilmuwan Perancis dan seorang 
jenius dalam hal agama pada abad ke-17, mengusulkan sebuah poin awal 
untuk mendiskusikan isu mengenai agama yang sejati, yang mungkin dapat 
diterima oleh semua orang. 


Pascal berusaha untuk mengemukakan 
proposisi-proposisi tertentu, berdasarkan pada observasi dan sebagai 
bagian dari nalar, yang akan menolong orang untuk menemukan agama yang 
sejati, apabila agama yang sejati itu memang ada. Walaupun Pascal tidak 
pernah menyelesaikan usulan karyanya, potongan-potongan pemikirannya 
 (Pensées)  telah menjadi salah satu literatur klasik dunia. Pendekatan 
Pascal memiliki fitur yang dapat diterima oleh semua orang: setiap orang
 dapat melihat, mengobservasi, dan menarik kesimpulan-kesimpulan dari 
tempat dimana ia berdiri. Ini benar-benar merupakan suatu metode 
induktif.  (Harus dikatakan bahwa pendekatan Pascal bersifat 
pre-yudisial karena ia berasal dari tradisi Kristen, sehingga harus 
diingat bahwa prinsip-prinsip ini bukanlah produk iman Kristen.  Apakah 
prinsip-prinsip ini benar atau salah tidak bergantung pada apakah 
seseorang adalah Kristen atau tidak. Prinsip-prinsip tersebut berhadapan
 dengan fakta-fakta yang dapat didiskusikan dalam konteks agama apapun. 
Pertanyaan-pertanyaan ini tidaklah lazim bagi semua orang, dan dapat 
diverifikasi dari pengalaman semua orang). 

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Perang Suci dalam Islam 

Penulis: Abd al-Masih

Barangsiapa membaca Qur'an akan menemukan 95 ayat yang mengikat secara sah;

yang oleh para pemimpin ahli hukum keempat mahzab hukum Islam dipilih sebagai

dasar legislasi mereka terhadap Perang Suci. Abd al-Masih menjelaskan apa dan 
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Yesus dan Muhammad  

Penulis: Mark Gabriel PhD

Mengungkap Kesamaan Yang Mengejutkan dan Perbedaan Yang Besar antara Yesus dan 
Muhammad









Understanding Muhammad Psychobiography (Memahami 
Muhammad Psikobiografi)

Penulis: Ali Sina

Untuk memahami Muslim, orang harus memahami Muhammad, nabinya. Inilah 
sebuah master piece tentang sejarah kejiwaan (Psychobiography) Muhammad 
yang dianggap Muslim sebagai sempurna. Percaya semuanya sempuna? Lalu 
apa yang membuat Muslim melakukan tindak kekerasan? Apa yang memicu 
mereka melakukan kerusuhan dan pembunuhan atas hal-hal yang teramat 
konyol? Psychobiography inilah yang mengungkapkan misteri Muhammad 
secara ilmiah dan mendalam. Dan ribuan Muslim telah meninggalkan Islam 
setelah membaca semua ini!  







Tuduhan Ahmed Deedat Terhadap Alkitab   


Penulis: Zakaria Boutros

Berisi Jawaban Zakaria Boutros terhadap buku Combat Kit dari Ahmed Deedat

[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat

Lu itu bebal amat sih,kalau agama saya itu bernama Muhamedan maka itu gur podo 
wae dg agama2 yg lain nama sipembawa agama = nama agama yg diajarkan.Ternyata 
nama agama yg dibawa Muhammad tdk dinamai agama Arab atau agama Muhamedan ning 
Islam la kan paling apik jadinya gak podo dg yg lainnya.Itulah makane kamu iri 
kok Nabi saya hebat baru cara ngasih nama saja wis lain dari pada yg lain.

Di Jowo ada nama agama Kejawen,yo jelas itu berbau nama daerah pasti pembawanya 
wong Jowo.Di Bali ada Hindhu Bali yo jelas pembawanya wong Bali.Kalau Hindhu yg 
asli India itu gak ada Galungan.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> Tawangalun sekian lama promosi Muhammad terus tiba2 bilang Islam ga ada 
> kaitan dgn Muhammad :)
> 
> 
> 
> > Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad 
> > SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau 
> > berserah diri.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> >
> > Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama Muhameddan.Yang 
> > ada Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada yg tertulis 
> > Ahmadiyah padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh kabeh agama kok 
> > namanya ada sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.
> > 
> > 1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
> > 2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
> > 3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
> > 4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
> > 5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
> > 6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
> > 7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
> > 8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
> > 9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
> > Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad 
> > SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau 
> > berserah diri.
> > 
> > Shalom,
> > Tawangalun.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti 
> > > agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> > > 
> > > Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian 
> > > njlimet hingga muncul sekte2. 
> > > 
> > > Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & 
> > > Kafir, jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> > > 
> > > Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya 
> > > jargon2 para Muhammedan. 
> > > 
> > > Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman 
> > > satu, apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja 
> > > Katolik. Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan 
> > > istri2 nya.
> > > 
> > > Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
> > > dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi 
> > > mereka.
> > > 
> > > Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, 
> > > sementara Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah 
> > > > semuanya 
> > > > atau ..
> > > > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> > > > membenarkan.
> > > > 
> > > > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> > > > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > > > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> > > > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> > > > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > > > 
> > > > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > > > 
> > > > rs
> > > > 
> > > > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > > > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > > > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > > > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > > > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > > > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, 
> > > > > KH. 
> > > > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak 
> > > > > lama.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Sejak Y

[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

Sekarang tunjukkan bahwa NASA memang pernah berhasil menembak jatuh UFO dan 
bangkai pesawat UFO disimpan dimuseum .Saya ngepal sampai kapanpun UFO gak akan 
pernah bisa ditangkap oleh Amerika atau Inggris.Sebab itu adalah kerjaan JIN.Yo 
podolah dg Dokter apa bisa menjelaskan orang yg terkena hipnotis lantas nrasfer 
duwit kerekening yg menghipnotis?Kalau sudah ngancik wilayah metafisika yo 
dokter gak bisa njelasin,polisi apalagi.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "muskitawati"  wrote:
>
> Jangan debat kusir lah, berdebatlah yang bermutu pake landasan yang jelas.
> 
> Ayat2 agama enggak bisa dijadikan rujukan, apalagi landasan, mau jadi 
> landasan apa kalo cuma kepercayaan semata???
> 
> Pakai logika dong jangan pake ayat karena tidak pernah ada sidang UN yang 
> merujuk kepada ayat apapun juga.
> 
> Engga bakalan menang kalo pakai ayat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
> >
> > "..Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa
> > motret jin.."
> > nT ngigau. Jaman itu emangnya sudah ada alat ginian?
> > 
> > Lalu bolehkah analogi nT tak pakai, diantaranya mana potret
> > anak tuhan menemui papanya kelangit?
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Berarti NASA hebat bisa motret jin.
> > >
> > > Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa motret jin :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah
> > banyak dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg
> > sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> > > >
> > > > Shalom,
> > > > Tawangalun,
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa
> > > > >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi
> > di Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam,
> > Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan
> > diunggah ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap
> > hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini
> > umat Islam sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di
> > sana dan naik ke sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis
> > Amerika dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah
> > hasil rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang
> > sepertinya merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> > > > >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar,
> > sebelum tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > > > >
> > > > > ITN| ANTO
> > > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be
> > compared because of they teach love & justice.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a
> > ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER,
> > DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: Penyaliban dalam Quran

Yang memenuhi janji Bibel apa Al Qur'an?

KATEBE Yesus digantung di tiang salib sampai mati.
(Re. kopasan dari @Mur_baut dibawah)

Yesus digantung ditiang salib sampai mati
Markus 15:21-41;
Matius 27:32-44;
Lukas 23:26-43 dan
Yohanes 19: 17-27
Al Qur'an: Yang disalib bukan Yesus, (An Nisa' (4):157-158)

Ref. Mat 4:6 dihubungkan ke kasus gantung-menggantung
Yesus,  sesuai kah Al Qur'an yang menyampaikan bahwa
Yesus dijaga? Jadi yang digantung bukannya Yesus?


Jika ini adalah Nubuat janji kepada Yesus Kristus:
Mzm 91:12 Mereka akan menatang engkau di atas
tangannya, supaya kakimu jangan terantuk kepada
batu.

Atau
Mat 4:6 ...sebab ada tertulis: Mengenai Engkau
Ia akan memerintahkan malaikat-malaikat-Nya dan
mereka akan menatang Engkau di atas tangannya,
supaya kaki-Mu jangan terantuk kepada batu."

maka pastilah yang digantung sampai mati bukannya
Yesus a.s!! (Kecuali Tuhan mengingkari  alias
mendustakan ayat-ayat tsb)

Manakah yang dipegang, Mat. (4:6) atau kutukannya
Paulus (Gal. 3:13) si pendusta (Rim 3:7)?

Gal 3:13 Kristus telah menebus kita dari kutuk hukum Taurat dengan jalan
menjadi kutuk karena kita, sebab ada tertulis: "Terkutuklah orang yang
digantung pada kayu salib!"



Rm 3:7 Tetapi jika kebenaran Allah oleh dustaku semakin melimpah bagi
kemuliaan-Nya, mengapa aku masih dihakimi lagi sebagai orang berdosa?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
>
> Kisah penyaliban hanya utk memenuhi kutukan Paulus,
> ga sesuai dg janji Tuhan, kecuali ndobost, dimana Yesus
> terantuk batupun ga bakalan.
>
> Mat 4:6 lalu berkata kepada-Nya: "Jika Engkau Anak Allah, jatuhkanlah
> diri-Mu ke bawah, sebab ada tertulis: Mengenai Engkau Ia akan
> memerintahkan malaikat-malaikat-Nya dan mereka akan menatang Engkau di
> atas tangannya, supaya kaki-Mu jangan terantuk kepada batu."
>
> Re posting 301723.
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, siap murtad islamic.invasion@
> wrote:
> >
> > Penyaliban dalam Quranhttp://indonesian.alisina.org/?p=137
> >
> > Diposkan oleh Ali Sina pada 9 Februari 2011
> >
> > Keempat Injil mengatakan bahwa Yesus disalibkan. Kisah
penyaliban-Nya
> dipaparkan secara terperinci dalam,
> > Markus 15:21-41;
> > Matius 27:32-44;
> > Lukas 23:26-43 dan
> > Yohanes 19: 17-27,
> > Walau demikian Quran mengatakan Yesus
> > tidak disalibkan. Melainkan, kemiripan dengan-Nya dikenakan pada
> seorang
> >  yang lain (Apakah anda ingat film Mission Impossible? Kira-kira
> seperti itu) dan orang itulah yang disalib.
> > âDan karena ucapan mereka:
> > âSesungguhnya kami telah membunuh Al Masih, Putra Maryam,
Rasul
> Allahâ
> > padahal mereka tidak membunuhnya dan tidak (pula) menyalibnya,
tetapi
> > (yang mereka bunuh ialah) orang yang diserupakan dengan Isa bagi
> mereka.
> >  Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang berselisih paham tentang (pembunuhan)
> > Isa, benar-benar dalam keraguan tentang yang dibunuh itu. Mereka
tidak
> > mempunyai keyakinan tentang siapa yang dibunuh itu, kecuali
mengikuti
> > persangkaan belaka, mereka tidak (pula) yakin bahwa yang mereka
bunuh
> > itu adalah Isa. Tetapi (yang sebenarnya), Allah telah mengangkat Isa
> > kepada-Nya. Dan adalah Allah Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana (Sura
> 4:157-158)
> >
> > Para apologis Muslim berusaha membela kesalahan Qurâan ini.
> DalamÂ Encyclopaedia of Islam tertulis:
> > Lebih jauh lagi, penyangkalan
> > tersebut, sangat sesuai dengan logika Qurâan. Kisah-kisah
> Alkitab
> > mereproduksinya kembali dalam (mis. Ayub, Musa, Yusuf, dll) dan
> > episode-episode yang berhubungan dengan sejarah permulaan Islam
> > menunjukkan bahwa sesungguhnya âpraktek Allahâ (Sunnat
> Allah) yang pada
> > akhirnya membuat iman berkemenangan atas kekuatan Iblis dan
kejahatan.
> > âSesungguhnya kesukaran membawa kelepasanâ, (XCIV, 5,
> 6). âKematian
> >  Yesus di salib berarti kemenangan orang-orang yang
mengeksekusi-Nya;
> > tetapi Qurâan mengemukakan bahwa tidak diragukan lagi mereka
> telah
> > gagal: Sesungguhnya Allah akan membela orang-orang yang
> berimanâ (XXII, 49). Ia mengagalkan rencana-rencana para musuh
> Kristus (III, 54).
> >
> > Read More.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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[proletar] Re: SBY Dinobatkan Jadi Pahlawan Islam Kalo Berani Bubarkan FPI !!!

"..SBY Dinobatkan Jadi Pahlawan Islam Kalo Berani
Bubarkan FPI !!!
"Pahlawan Islam?". Semudah dan semurah itu mBok?
mBengok "Pahlawan Tlethong" kalik lebih cepat. Perjamnya treak-treak di
lamon (layar monitor) internet di kutha kami lk Rp. 3000.  Meski
sosoknya masih napas, keknya ga halangan diparabi demikian. Kan tlethong
saya sepuh saya sampah?

"...10 juta rakyat tak berdosa ..."
Dosa ki apa tha mBok?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "muskitawati"  wrote:
>
> SBY Dinobatkan Jadi Pahlawan Islam Kalo Berani Bubarkan FPI !!!
>
> Akibat Suharto bubarkan PKI, jatuhlah korban 10 juta rakyat tak
berdosa dalam tragedi G30S.
>
> Akibat Suharto memerintahkan muslimin membantai PKI, maka jatuhlah
jutaan manusia dibantai muslimin atas perintah Suharto.  Islam tercemong
akibat perintah Suharto ini.
>
> Beda kalo SBY berani membubarkan FPI, maka SBY akan menjadi pahlawan
Islam karena membersihkan cemong2 Islam yang dibuat oleh FPI.
>
> Beranikah SBY  Jelas tidak berani, karena dia sendiri pendiri FPI,
akan menjadi senjata makan tuan dong.  Semua cemong yang dibuat FPI
menjadi tanggung jawab SBY jadinya.  SBY inilah menjadi laknat dan harus
dilaknati karena menista Islam dengan cemong2 melalui tangan2 FPI.
>
> Tindakan FPI ini sangat berhasil mencemongi Islam terbukti dalam
pemilu para pemilih sudah muak untuk memberikan suaranya kepada partai2
Islam yang akibatnya tidak satupun partai Islam kebagian korsi
legislatif sehingga harus ngemis2 secara memalukan dan menjijikan agar
bisa masuk koalisi.  Itulah contohnya bisa anda lihat bagaimana Amien
Rais yang pertama kali bilang Ahmadiah harus dibubarkan tetapi setelah
malapetaka Cikeuis dia bilang Ahmadiah tidak perlu dibubarkan.
>
> > rifky pradana rifkyprdn@ wrote:
> > Soeharto adalah 'pahlawan' pembubaran
> > PKI (Partai Komunis Indonesia) lalu
> > apakah kemudian SBY akan menjadi
> > 'pahlawan' pembubaran FPI (Front
> > Pembela Islam) kah
>
> Betul, SBY akan mendapat pahala Allah kalo membubarkan FPI, karena SBY
akan dipandang Allah sebagai pahlawan Islam karena dengan membubarkan
FPI beliau telah membersihkan nama Islam yang dicemong oleh FPI.
>
> Umat Islam sedunia juga akan memuji SBY, bahkan bukan cuma umat Islam
tetapi umat manusia seluruh dunia.
>
> Tetapi kenyataannya, yang mendirikan FPI itu sebenarnya SBY sendiri,
dan beliaulah sebagai bekas komandan Kopasus yang memberi izin untuk
melatih teror kepada FPI, dan kasus ini telah menjadi pemberitaan luas
di Australia.
>
> Pemerintah Australia juga menuduh SBY sebagai komandan yang
memerintahkan menembak mati dua wartawan Australia di Timor Timur
dulunya.  Dan SBY juga menjadi tertuduh pembunuhan peneliti Amerika di
Papua yang hingga kini tetap masih dituntut keluarga mereka.
>
> Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
>






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Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?

Wole, wole, Insya Allah.
Ga ada yg ngelarang kok. Perhatiin tuh tulisannya
@Gaek, @MasmBok, @Mur_baut (siap murtad),
@Kuper (Si Kebenaran) dst termasuk @Dak_Disalahi.
Adakah responan ke mereka kurang serius?
Sebaliknya, paparan nDeboost kek-nya lebih dari cukup
tetapi minim respon. Namun mau respon silahkan,
ga ya gpp, nDeboost ga patheken.
Gak kok "serius nih?!!"

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi 
wrote:
>
> kalau saya respon apa otak anda punya kemampuan untuk serius?
>
> On 2/21/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote:
> > @D_SH, ketimbang OOT maka kalau ga punya topik lain
> > mangga postingannya nDeboost direspon.
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi davidfr766hi@
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> anda enggak ada bedanya sama antonius yang anda singgung :
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/302113
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/2/21 ndeboost rambitesemak@
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hwa hwe hua ha ha ha ha Ngawur yang khas @Buaya.
> >> > Semi nDebil namun sulit diajak belajar.
> >> >
> >> > Eh @mBleguk mBlekutug, nT ga mau lihat tantangan
> >> > Al Qur'an dimana bertebaran ayat-ayat menyampaikan
> >> > agar manusia (umumnya) mikir. Beberapa hanya sekilas,
> >> > ga ada ajakan mikir namun malah nangtang.
> >> > Salah satunya mangga disimak:
>

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[proletar] SBY Dinobatkan Jadi Pahlawan Islam Kalo Berani Bubarkan FPI !!!

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik muskitawati

SBY Dinobatkan Jadi Pahlawan Islam Kalo Berani Bubarkan FPI !!!

Akibat Suharto bubarkan PKI, jatuhlah korban 10 juta rakyat tak berdosa dalam 
tragedi G30S.

Akibat Suharto memerintahkan muslimin membantai PKI, maka jatuhlah jutaan 
manusia dibantai muslimin atas perintah Suharto.  Islam tercemong akibat 
perintah Suharto ini.

Beda kalo SBY berani membubarkan FPI, maka SBY akan menjadi pahlawan Islam 
karena membersihkan cemong2 Islam yang dibuat oleh FPI.

Beranikah SBY  Jelas tidak berani, karena dia sendiri pendiri FPI, akan 
menjadi senjata makan tuan dong.  Semua cemong yang dibuat FPI menjadi tanggung 
jawab SBY jadinya.  SBY inilah menjadi laknat dan harus dilaknati karena 
menista Islam dengan cemong2 melalui tangan2 FPI.

Tindakan FPI ini sangat berhasil mencemongi Islam terbukti dalam pemilu para 
pemilih sudah muak untuk memberikan suaranya kepada partai2 Islam yang 
akibatnya tidak satupun partai Islam kebagian korsi legislatif sehingga harus 
ngemis2 secara memalukan dan menjijikan agar bisa masuk koalisi.  Itulah 
contohnya bisa anda lihat bagaimana Amien Rais yang pertama kali bilang 
Ahmadiah harus dibubarkan tetapi setelah malapetaka Cikeuis dia bilang Ahmadiah 
tidak perlu dibubarkan.

> rifky pradana  wrote:
> Soeharto adalah 'pahlawan' pembubaran
> PKI (Partai Komunis Indonesia) lalu
> apakah kemudian SBY akan menjadi
> 'pahlawan' pembubaran FPI (Front
> Pembela Islam) kah 

Betul, SBY akan mendapat pahala Allah kalo membubarkan FPI, karena SBY akan 
dipandang Allah sebagai pahlawan Islam karena dengan membubarkan FPI beliau 
telah membersihkan nama Islam yang dicemong oleh FPI.

Umat Islam sedunia juga akan memuji SBY, bahkan bukan cuma umat Islam tetapi 
umat manusia seluruh dunia.

Tetapi kenyataannya, yang mendirikan FPI itu sebenarnya SBY sendiri, dan 
beliaulah sebagai bekas komandan Kopasus yang memberi izin untuk melatih teror 
kepada FPI, dan kasus ini telah menjadi pemberitaan luas di Australia.

Pemerintah Australia juga menuduh SBY sebagai komandan yang memerintahkan 
menembak mati dua wartawan Australia di Timor Timur dulunya.  Dan SBY juga 
menjadi tertuduh pembunuhan peneliti Amerika di Papua yang hingga kini tetap 
masih dituntut keluarga mereka.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.

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[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

Iya tuh, ada ayatnya ada yang lihat Yesus naik kelangit
nemuin bapaknya di sorga. Tertulis kok. Tapi sayang
ga ada rekamannya kek Cikeusik.

nT punya ga rekaman atau potret saat Pak Yani dan WNI
lainnya dibantai di Lubang Buaya?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "muskitawati"  wrote:
>
> Jangan debat kusir lah, berdebatlah yang bermutu pake landasan yang
jelas.
>
> Ayat2 agama enggak bisa dijadikan rujukan, apalagi landasan, mau jadi
landasan apa kalo cuma kepercayaan semata???
>
> Pakai logika dong jangan pake ayat karena tidak pernah ada sidang UN
yang merujuk kepada ayat apapun juga.
>
> Engga bakalan menang kalo pakai ayat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote:
> >
> > "..Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa
> > motret jin.."
> > nT ngigau. Jaman itu emangnya sudah ada alat ginian?
> >
> > Lalu bolehkah analogi nT tak pakai, diantaranya mana potret
> > anak tuhan menemui papanya kelangit?
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Berarti NASA hebat bisa motret jin.
> > >
> > > Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa motret jin :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO
sudah
> > banyak dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan
yg
> > sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> > > >
> > > > Shalom,
> > > > Tawangalun,
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa
> > > > >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya
terjadi
> > di Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci
Islam,
> > Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera
dan
> > diunggah ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja
dianggap
> > hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini
> > umat Islam sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah
di
> > sana dan naik ke sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang
turis
> > Amerika dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu
hanyalah
> > hasil rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain
yang
> > sepertinya merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> > > > >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar,
> > sebelum tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > > > >
> > > > > ITN| ANTO
> > > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be
> > compared because of they teach love & justice.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a
> > ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER,
> > DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?

nDeboost kepikirpun ga praktek yg kek gini.
'mangnya nT muhammedan, kok tahu? Atau lupa kalau
nT umatnya crosstian Pauline, si pelupa?
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Banyak juga Muhammedan yg ga percaya Muhammad lalu membuat teks Qur'an
buat lap pantat :)
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
> >
> > Otak babi.
> >
> > otak binatnag..
> >
> > Orang Nasrani sudah lama menyikapi kitab suci mereka dengan kritis..
> >
> > "ndeboost" iru cuman buang-buang, waktu doang.
> >
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yub maksudnya Pak nDe BOOST itu ben Christian tidak menolak
argumen yg pakai dalil2 Bijbel.Kalau pakai Quran yo mana mau si
Christian wong bukan kitabnya.Kita kalau bicara dg wong Papua yo
pakailah bahasa Papua jangan pakai Jowo.
> > >
> > > Shalom,
> > > Tawangalun.
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub yahya  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > well, bagus 2 orang muslim ngajinya pakai bible..
> > > > memang, pada dasarnya al-quran terlalu monolog,
> > > > quran hanya berisi 'perintah/kwajiban dan larangan'
> > > >
> > > > Disinilah kesalahan al-Quran.. ummatnya tidak diberi
> > > > Â kesempatan mikir
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 2/20/11, ndeboost  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Muhammad saw kah? (4) Didoain sepanjang waktu sepanjang hari
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mengapa hingga kini (ber-abad2 lamanya), setiap hari seluruh
umat
> > > >
> > > > Islam harus mendoakan "keselamatan" seorang "Ia".
> > > >
> > > > Siapakah gerangan "Ia" ini?
> > > >
> > > > Kalik inilah penggenapan Nubuat Mazmur 72.."Ia" yang akan
> > > >
> > > > (sedang dan telah) mendapatkan doa sholawat dan doa
berkat..SEPANJANG
> > > >
> > > > HARI!! Mazmur 72:13-15 (13) ia akan sayang kepada orang lemah
dan orang
> > > >
> > > > miskin, ia akan menyelamatkan nyawa orang miskin. (14) Ia akan
menebus
> > > >
> > > > nyawa mereka dari penindasan dan kekerasan, darah mereka mahal
di
> > > >
> > > > matanya. (15) Hiduplah ia! Kiranya dipersembahkan kepadanya emas
Syeba!
> > > >
> > > > KIRANYA IA DIDOAKAN SENANTIASA, DAN DIBERKATI SEPANJANG HARI!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sepanjang waktu, setiap hari mulai Subuh hingga Isa, tengah
malam,
> > > >
> > > > maupun ditengah sengatan matahari ga henti-hentinya diseluruh
muka bumi,
> > > >
> > > > ada satu orang (Bukan Tuhan!! Tuhan bukan didoain namun tempat
meminta)
> > > >
> > > > yang didoakan ummatnya seantero jagad!
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yap, Pak. Karena yang berucap Yesus a.s sendiri, jadi
> > > >
> > > > > keknya mentog di Muhammad saw, yg ayat-ayatnya
> > > >
> > > > > dibuka dengan nama Allah.
> > > >
> > > > > Namun demikian kita tunggu komen dari kawan-kawan
> > > >
> > > > > para Pauline Crosstian.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Kalau nurut saya yg dimaksud "Dia" itu Nabi saya sebab semua
> > > >
> > > > surahnya
> > > >
> > > > > diawali :In the name of Allah atau Atas Nama Allah.Sedangkan
Kitab2 yg
> > > >
> > > > > lain gak ada pembukaan seperti itu.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Shalom,
> > > >
> > > > > > Tawangalun.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > Mat 23:39 Dan Aku berkata kepadamu: Mulai sekarang kamu
tidak akan
> > > >
> > > > > > > melihat aku lagi, hingga kamu berkata: Diberkatilah DIA
yang
> > > >
> > > > datang
> > > >
> > > > > > > dalam nama Tuhan!"
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik muskitawati

Jangan debat kusir lah, berdebatlah yang bermutu pake landasan yang jelas.

Ayat2 agama enggak bisa dijadikan rujukan, apalagi landasan, mau jadi landasan 
apa kalo cuma kepercayaan semata???

Pakai logika dong jangan pake ayat karena tidak pernah ada sidang UN yang 
merujuk kepada ayat apapun juga.

Engga bakalan menang kalo pakai ayat.









--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
>
> "..Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa
> motret jin.."
> nT ngigau. Jaman itu emangnya sudah ada alat ginian?
> 
> Lalu bolehkah analogi nT tak pakai, diantaranya mana potret
> anak tuhan menemui papanya kelangit?
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Berarti NASA hebat bisa motret jin.
> >
> > Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa motret jin :)
> >
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah
> banyak dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg
> sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> > >
> > > Shalom,
> > > Tawangalun,
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > > >
> > > >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa
> > > >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi
> di Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > > >
> > > > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam,
> Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan
> diunggah ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap
> hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > > >
> > > > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini
> umat Islam sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di
> sana dan naik ke sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > > >
> > > > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis
> Amerika dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah
> hasil rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang
> sepertinya merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > > >
> > > > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> > > >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar,
> sebelum tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > > >
> > > > ITN| ANTO
> > > >
> > > > ***
> > > >
> > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be
> compared because of they teach love & justice.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a
> ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER,
> DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Jam gini lalok dia. Mimpinya "mabok lagi .."?
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg"  wrote:
>
>
> Aneh,
> orang nuntut demokrasi kok dikaitin ke agama.
> Lagipula orang kalo Arab tuh pasti Islam ye plik?
>
> Mabok mulu lu...
>
> --- "Jusfiq" kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
>
> > Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..
> >
> > Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing
> > Islam yang selama ini mengungkung mereka...
> >
> > Tapi orang Indonesia berotak anjing seperti Dipo, johny-indon,
> > ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus,
> > Tawang dll. masih tetap menganut agama anjing itu..
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat

Dinamai Crosstian Pauline karena yang nggagas Paulus
(yang hakkul yakin Yesus a.s digantung di kayu salib,
  "cross")
(Sedangkan Tuhan, Mat 4:6,  janji Yesus terantuk
batupun gak mungkin. Mangga, ikut Tuhan atau jadi
Pauline)

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama
Muhameddan.Yang ada Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada
yg tertulis Ahmadiyah padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh
kabeh agama kok namanya ada sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.
>
> 1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
> 2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
> 3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
> 4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
> 5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
> 6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
> 7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
> 8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
> 9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
> Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad
SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat
atau berserah diri.
>
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran" sikebenaran@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal
mengerti agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> >
> > Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian
njlimet hingga muncul sekte2.
> >
> > Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim
& Kafir, jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> >
> > Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu
hanya jargon2 para Muhammedan.
> >
> > Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman
satu, apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja
Katolik. Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan
istri2 nya.
> >
> > Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain
yg dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian
nabi mereka.
> >
> > Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat,
sementara Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> > >
> > > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah
semuanya
> > > atau ..
> > > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada
yang
> > > membenarkan.
> > >
> > > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan
mana
> > > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah
begitu
> > > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan
> > > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > >
> > > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > >
> > > rs
> > >
> > > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > > >
> > > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk
dr
> > > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com
,
> > > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma
> > > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > > >
> > > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi
bocoran
> > > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di
> > > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa
Timur, KH.
> > > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi
sejak lama.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik
telah
> > > > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada
hidayatullah.com
> > > > Kamis, (17/2).
> > > > >
> > > > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar,
dan
> > > > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap
> > > > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada
masyarakat.
> > > > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat
Nabi,
> > > > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap
meyebarkan
> > > > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah,
apalagi di
> > > > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan,
tambahnya,
> > > > praktik nikah mut'ah mulai marak terjadi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abdussomad tidak sedang mengarang cerita. Informasi penting
itu ia

Re: [proletar] Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik ajeg

Aneh, 
orang nuntut demokrasi kok dikaitin ke agama. 
Lagipula orang kalo Arab tuh pasti Islam ye plik? 

Mabok mulu lu... 

--- "Jusfiq"  wrote:

> Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..
> 
> Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing 
> Islam yang selama ini mengungkung mereka...
> 
> Tapi orang Indonesia berotak anjing seperti Dipo, johny-indon,
> ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus,
> Tawang dll. masih tetap menganut agama anjing itu..
>

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[proletar] Re: Next stop: The House of Saud

Sudah melek atau mau tidur @mBoong?
Kata "seandainya", "bila" atau sejenis baikan nT diskusikan
dulu sama @D_SH biar mismatch.
Lagian, nT paling pas juru kopas. Ahlinya. jadi baikan
terusin saja yg kek ginian, kalau boleh usil, eh, usul.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
>
> Refleksi : Apakah  NKRI akan mengirim sukarelawan  untuk membela raja
apabila seandainya terjadi demonstrasi besar-besaran di Arab Saudia
seperti apa  yang terjadi di Tunisia, Mesir dan, Bahrain?
>
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB19Ak01.html
>
> Feb 19, 2011
>
> Next stop: The House of Saud
> By Pepe Escobar
>
>
> Here's a crash course on how one of "our" - monarchic - dictators
treats his own people during the great 2011 Arab revolt.
>
> The king of Bahrain, Hamad al-Khalifa, has blood on his hands after
his mercenary security forces - Pakistani, Indian, Syrian and Jordanian
- with no previous warning, attacked sleeping, peaceful protesters at 3
am on Thursday at the Pearl roundabout, the tiny Gulf country's version
of Cairo's Tahrir Square.
>
> In the brutal crackdown, at least five people have been killed -
including a young child - and 2,000 injured, some by gunshots, two of
these in critical condition. Riot police targeted doctors and medics and
prevented ambulances and blood donors from reaching the Pearl
roundabout. A doctor at Salmaniya hospital told al-Jazeera there was a
refrigerated truck outside the hospital, which he fears the army has
used to remove more dead bodies.
>
> The resourceful Maryama Alkawaka of the Bahrain Center for Human
Rights was there; "It was very violent, [the police] were not showing
any mercy." An avalanche of tweets from Bahrainis denounced an
"Israeli-style" sneak attack and shoot-to-kill approach. And many have
denounced al-Jazeera for not having kept a live satellite link as it had
in Cairo, and for implying that this was only a Shi'ite protest. The
Pearl roundabout is now surrounded by nearly 100 tanks at every entrance
and exit. Downtown Manama has been turned into a ghost city.
>
> The Shi'ite opposition described it as "real terrorism". Reem Khalifa,
senor editor at the opposition newspaper al-Wasat, said, "The regime
forces just came and massacred a crowd of people as they slept." They
had been "chanting together, shouting 'neither Sunni nor Shi'ite but
Bahraini'. We have not seen this before. And this is what annoyed the
government agents the most - they are always trying to divide the people
... And now the regime is spreading lies about me and other journalists
who are trying to say what is happening."
>
> Khalifa had the courage to stand up and harshly confront Bahrain's
foreign minister at a press conference, totally debunking his version of
events (he called the deaths "regrettable" but insisted protesters were
sectarian, and armed).
>
> The Gulf Cooperation Council - the scandalously wealthy club of local
kingdoms which holds over US$1 trillion stashed away in foreign reserves
and almost 50% of the world's proven oil reserves still underground -
issued, what else, a bland statement supporting Bahrain.
>
> Kill them, but with a velvet glove
> Is Washington remotely outraged by all this? The record speaks for
itself. United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "deep
concern", according to the State Department, and "urged restraint". The
Pentagon said Bahrain was "an important partner"; later Secretary of
Defense Robert Gates called Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman - certainly to
make sure everything was dandy with the US Navy's 5th Fleet and its
2,250 personnel housed in an isolated compound inside 24 hectares in the
center of Manama.
>
> Even the New York Times was forced to acknowledge that US President
Barack Obama had "yet to issue the blunt public criticism of Bahrain's
rulers that he eventually leveled against President Hosni Mubarak of
Egypt - or that he has repeatedly aimed at the mullahs in Iran". But he
can't; after all, Bahrain's I-shot-my-people king is another usual
suspect, a "pillar of the American security architecture in the Middle
East", and "a staunch ally of Washington in its showdown with Iran's
Shi'ite theocracy".
>
> Under these strategic circumstances, it's hard to dismiss Lebanese
political scientist and blogger at the Angry Arab website As'ad
AbuKhalil, when he stresses, "The US had to plot the repression of
Bahrain to appease Saudi Arabia and other Arab tyrants who were mad at
Obama for not defending Mubarak to the every end."
>
> Incidentally, Saudi Arabia's prince Talal Bin Abdulaziz - father of
the billionaire darling of the West prince Al Waleed bin Talal - told
the BBC there's a danger the protests in Bahrain could spill into Saudi
Arabia.
>
> It's never enough to stress Bahrain is all about Iran vs Saudi Arabia
(see All about the Pearl roundabout Asia Times Online, February 18).
>
> The US naval base in Manama translates as a cop on the (Persian Gulf)
beat. Moreover, 15% of Saudi Arabia's population is Shi'ite, liv

[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

"..Ga ada bukti Muhammad itu pake celana .."
Memangnya pamer CD ditiang jemuran?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Tawangalun marah2 setelah tdk bisa buktikan teks Qur'an yg suruh pake
celana jengrang.
>
> Juga ga bisa buktikan orang sholat harus pake sarung.
>
> Ga ada bukti Muhammad itu pake celana :)
>
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
> >
> > Otak babi.
> >
> > otak binatang.
> >
> > Hadits taik kucing..
> >
> > Hadits itu cuman omong kosong dan kibulan orang Timur Tengah 
primitif doang.
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sudahlah kamu itu kan gak ngerti hadis2 yg berkaitan dg Imam
mahdi.
> > > Dia akan muncul nanti pada saat Rojo saudy mati terbunuh,jadi
waktunya masih nanti,makanya tunggu saja mainnya.
> > > Lalu Nabi memang memerintahkan agar pengikutnya agar mencukur
kumis dan memelihara jenggot,lalu mata kakinya harus kelihatan.Itu untuk
identitas muslim lanang,la yg wedok jelas sudah berbaju brukut tdk
memperlihatkan curvacuous dan jilbaban.Jadi jangan heran kalau sepintas
sdr akan keliru dikira Wahaby padahal salafy,satunya menentang SBY
satunya patuh.Goblokmu gak nambah2 sih.
> > >
> > > Shalom,
> > > Tawangalun.
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tawangalun itu bego.
> > > >
> > > > Raja Saudi itu muncul belum ada 100 tahun lalu.
> > > > Wahabi itu bunuhin keluarga Muhammad di Saudi, sehingga keluarga
Muhammad lari keluar Saudi.
> > > >
> > > > FPI itu kalo ngaku keturunan nabi ya bukan Wahabi.
> > > >
> > > > Kamu itu dong maksudnya Wahabi ga?
> > > >
> > > > Salafy itu beda lagi.
> > > >
> > > > Celana jenggrang itu ga ada bahkan teksnya di Qur'an.
> > > >
> > > > Muhammad itu mana pernah pake celana?
> > > >
> > > > Muhammad itu apa pernah ke mesjid sarungan?
> > > >
> > > > Goblok tenan kowe.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya
Rojo Saudy,tunggu aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan
Wahaby,yang model2 FPI dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik itu
Salafy,meskipun sama2 berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya
menentang SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shalom,
> > > > > Tawangalun.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran" 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2
Muhammad di Saudi :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar
mana ngerti beginian :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"
 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja
Saudi yang didongkel...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan
pesawat Mirage mereka di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi
sudah meninggalkan Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel
membantah berita ini.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   - Original Message -
> > > > > > > >   From: Jusfiq
> > > > > > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > > > > > > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What
next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > > > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab
world ever needed foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it
could prove false the notion that the American administration and other
Western governments ever cared about human rights or self determination.
Unfortunately, this will be done through the massacring of hundreds if
not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no
longer cripple the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of
today is no longer dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who
foolishly continue to try and suppress it eventually burn or melt away.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt,
ignorant, treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in
some cases two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a
fear so crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately
irrelevant . But the region has now been revived by its youth who have
shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, that they
would rather die standing than live on their knees.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

"..Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa
motret jin.."
nT ngigau. Jaman itu emangnya sudah ada alat ginian?

Lalu bolehkah analogi nT tak pakai, diantaranya mana potret
anak tuhan menemui papanya kelangit?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
>
> Berarti NASA hebat bisa motret jin.
>
> Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa motret jin :)
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> >
> > Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah
banyak dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg
sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> >
> > Shalom,
> > Tawangalun,
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > >
> > >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa
> > >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > >
> > >
> > > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi
di Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > >
> > > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam,
Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan
diunggah ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap
hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > >
> > > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini
umat Islam sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di
sana dan naik ke sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > >
> > > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis
Amerika dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah
hasil rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang
sepertinya merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > >
> > > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> > >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar,
sebelum tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > >
> > > ITN| ANTO
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be
compared because of they teach love & justice.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a
ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER,
DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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[proletar] Re: Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

".Orang Arab dr dulu mengkudeta Muhammad yg suka
ngaku nabi & mengejar2 keturunan Muhammad supaya
tidak berkuasa di muka bumi"

100%, tepat dan benar sekali. "dr dulu..."
Sebab mereka melarikan diri terhadap pedang, ya terhadap
pedang yang terhunus, terhadap busur yang dilentur, dan
terhadap kehebatan peperangan. Sebab beginilah firman
Tuhan kepadaku: "Dalam setahun lagi, menurut masa
kerja prajurit upahan, maka segala kemuliaan Kedar
akan habis.  (Isayah 21:15-16)."

Kalau pengin tahu dimana kisah "mereka yang melarikan
diri" mangga lihat satu ayat sebelum Isayah 21:15 alias
Isayah 21:14. Lalu siapakah Kedar? Apa yang dimaksud
dengan "Dalam setahun lagi, menurut masa kerja prajurit
upahan, maka segala kemuliaan Kedar akan habis"

nT atau milist lain bisa nimbrung?
Mangga, ga sungkan-sungkan. Ga malu-malu(in)

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
>
> Orang Arab dr dulu mengkudeta Muhammad yg suka ngaku nabi & mengejar2
keturunan Muhammad supaya tidak berkuasa di muka bumi.
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" kesayangan.allah@ wrote:
> >
> > Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..
> >
> > Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing
Islam yang selama ini mengungkung mereka...
> >
> > Tapi orang Indonesia berotak anjing seperti Dipo, johny-indon,
> > ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus,
> > Tawang dll. masih tetap menganut agama anjing itu..
> >
>

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[proletar] Point of no return

http://www.theage.com.au/world/point-of-no-return-20110221-1b2gn.html

Point of no return 
Ian Black and Ian Birrell 
February 22, 2011 
 
Muammar Gaddafi in 1999. Photo: Reuters

Despotic regimes are falling like dominoes across the Middle East. But Libya's 
Muammar Gaddafi won't give up without a fight. 

NOW people are dying we've got nothing else to live for,'' wrote a student 
blogger in Libya. ''It's like a pressure cooker. People are boiling up inside. 
I'm not even afraid any more. Once I wouldn't have spoken at all by phone. Now 
I don't care.''

It is a sentiment that encapsulates so much of the extraordinary events 
sweeping the Middle East. As the revolt in Libya widens, and more Libyans 
summon up the courage to confront their ''Great Leader'', Muammar Gaddafi has 
launched by far the most uncompromising response of all the Arab leaders in the 
region to anti-government protests.

In neighbouring Egypt and Tunisia the military proved extremely reluctant to 
open fire on their own citizens, a factor that made a significant contribution 
to the subsequent removal of the countries' leaders.

But in Libya, where Gaddafi's brutal regime is enforced by a combination of his 
diehard supporters and well-paid foreign mercenaries, the security forces are 
under no such constraints and have deployed tanks and helicopter gunships to 
crush the dissent.

In the most serious challenge to Gaddafi's 41 years of rule, thousands have 
taken to the streets in Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city, only to be met 
with gunfire from forces loyal to their leader.

Hundreds of bodies are turning up at hospitals and morgues, young men are 
throwing home-made bombs at soldiers using heavy-calibre weapons, while airport 
runways are sabotaged to prevent the arrival of more troops.

In al-Bayda, there are reports of blood on the streets, smoke rising from 
buildings and the authorities are thought to have lost control.

One of Muammar Gaddafi's many sons, Saif al-Islam, went on state television on 
Sunday to warn that a civil war would put the country's oil wealth at risk. 
Libya, he said, is ''not Tunisia and Egypt''.

Libya, holder of the largest crude oil reserves on the African continent, has 
become the focal point of region-wide protests ignited by the ouster of 
Tunisia's president last month and energised by the fall of Egypt's president 
Hosni Mubarak last week.

Violence has flared in Yemen, Djibouti and Bahrain as governments sought to 
crack down on calls for reform.

There were also demonstrations in Morocco over the weekend and Iran, where 
thousands of security personnel were deployed in the capital, Tehran, to 
forestall an opposition rally.

Elsewhere in the region, unrest hit Yemen, Morocco, Oman, Kuwait and Algeria. 
Analysts are warning of the risk of unrest spreading to Saudi Arabia, the 
world's biggest oil exporter.

But the most violent scenes so far of the wave of protests sweeping the Arab 
world were seen in its most repressive country as Gaddafi appeared to be 
relying on brute force to crush what began last week as peaceful protests.

Libya is defying growing international condemnation of a bloody crackdown in 
which troops and mercenaries fired at unarmed demonstrators.

In Benghazi and elsewhere in eastern Libya over the past few days shocked 
witnesses talked of ''massacres'' and described corpses shot in the head, chest 
or neck piling up in hospitals running short of blood and medicines. Some 
opposition sources say it is closer to 500 dead.

Two of Gaddafi's other sons, Khamis - the Russian-trained commander of an elite 
special forces unit - and Saadi, and veteran intelligence chief Abdullah 
Sanussi were understood to have spearheaded efforts to crush the protests in 
Benghazi, where buildings were ransacked and troops and police forced to 
retreat to a compound to pick off demonstrators with sniper and artillery fire.

Facts have been hard to pin down in Libya in the face of a news blackout that 
included jamming of the signal of the al-Jazeera satellite TV network and 
interference with telephone and internet connections. But there have been 
multiple claims of the army firing into crowds and the targeting of mourners at 
the funerals of those killed on Saturday.

The US, Britain and the EU have expressed concern at the escalation in 
violence, but no punitive measures have been announced.

On Friday Britain revoked licences for the export of riot control equipment. 
Libya responded by warning the EU it would halt co-operation over illegal 
immigration unless the EU stopped supporting protests.

William Hague, Britain's Foreign Secretary, spoke to reform-minded Saif 
al-Islam and expressed alarm at reports of large numbers of people being killed 
or attacked by Libyan security forces.

He said the L

[proletar] Thousands demand change in Morocco

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTM5MDE5NTY0Ng==

Thousands demand change in Morocco


Published Date: February 21, 2011 

RABAT: Thousands staged rallies in Moroccan cities on Sunday demanding 
political reform and limits on the powers of King Mohammed VI, the latest 
protests demanding change that have rocked the region. Between 3,000 and 4,000 
people took to the streets of the capital Rabat, shouting: "The people want 
change" and denouncing corruption. In Casablanca, the North African nation's 
biggest city, more than 4,000 people came out demanding: "Freedom, dignity, 
justice," an AFP correspondent reported.

Demonstrations were held in other Moroccan cities, including Marrakesh and the 
port of Tangier. The protests were largely peaceful though there were reports 
of some minor unrest after they ended. Thousands of young Moroccans have joined 
the "February 20" movement on the social networking site Facebook, calling for 
peaceful demonstrations demanding a new constitution limiting the king's powers 
and more social justice. The call has similar origins to the so-called 
"Facebook revolutions" that toppled decades-old regimes in Tunisia and Egypt 
and sparked deadly protests in Bahrain, Yemen and Algeria.

In Rabat, protesters carried banners that read: "The king must reign not 
govern" and "The people want a new constitution." "The prime minister must have 
broader powers and be accountable to the people," said 52-year-old teacher 
Brahim Abu Dahal. "I want a Morocco that's more fair and with less corruption," 
said a student demonstrator in Casablanca who asked not to be named. "We've got 
nothing against the king, but we want more justice and work," said another 
student who gave his name as Brahim. After the p
rotests, witnesses said groups of several dozen people looted some shops and 
threw stones at public buildings in two cities, tourist-hub Marrakesh and the 
northern port of Larache.

In Marrakesh, 150-200 people attacked and looted shops including a branch of 
restaurant chain McDonalds, a witness said. Similar incidents took place in 
Larache, several witnesses said, with young people attacking some public 
buildings, including a police post and a customs office. In both cases security 
forces did not intervene, the sources said. In the Spanish capital Madrid, 
around 60 people rallied in solidarity with the Moroccan demonstrations, waving 
Moroccan and Berber flags alongside banners demanding an end to "corruption and 
police repression". Other demonstrations were planned in Barcelona and Paris.

Ahead of the protests, Morocco promised to inject 1.4 billion euros in 
subsidies to soften price hikes for staples - a key factor among others 
including rampant unemployment behind the spreading unrest in the Arab world. 
That came despite comments by analysts that Morocco was unlikely to see Tunisia 
or Egypt-style unrest due to ongoing reforms by the king, who has ruled the 
country for more than a decade. Human rights and civil groups as well as 
independent journalists joined the movement, calling for the adoption of a 
democratic constitution.

However on Saturday one of the protests' organisers, Rachid Antid, told AFP he 
was pulling out of yesterday's rally due to the inclusion of Islamist and 
far-left groups with which they share "ideological differences". The youth wing 
of banned Islamist group Justice and Charity, believed to be Morocco's biggest 
opposition force, called for a peaceful rally. Others, including the pro-regime 
Istiqlal of Prime Minister Abbas El-Fassi and the Islamist opposition Justice 
and Development, openly rejected the demonstrations.

Observers say that despite widespread inequalities in Moroccan society the 
existence of some political pluralism and a relatively free press mean that the 
country has as yet been spared the mass protests sweeping other Middle Eastern 
and North African nations. But calls have been growing for the king to have 
less say in government. The current system is a constitutional monarchy 
granting the king sweeping powers including naming the prime minister. King 
Mohammed's cousin, Prince Moulay Hicham El-Alaoui, an academic at the US' 
Stanford University known as the "rebel prince" for his outspoken criticism of 
his country's political system, voiced his support for the demonstrations.

I'm for any initiative that calls for democratising our political system, 
provided it is done peacefully and with tolerance. It appears that this 
movement fulfils these conditions and so I support it," he told France 24 
television. The prince, third in line to the throne, said that people wanted to 
see "progress and political reform in a monarchical context" and that he would 
welcome the monarchy evolving along the lines of that of Spain or Britain. - AF

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[proletar] Another Arab domino?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\02\22\story_22-2-2011_pg3_1

  Tuesday, February 22, 2011
 


EDITORIAL: Another Arab domino?



The latest ripple in the angry wave of revolt is being felt in Libya, where 
protests are being met with fierce resistance, leading to a bloody battle. Six 
days since the first echoes of revolt started in Libya, Human Rights Watch has 
reported that some 200 people have been killed by the security forces and that 
there are fears of a massacre taking place in the country in an attempt to beat 
back the rage of the people. Libya's second largest city, Benghazi, has 
virtually been taken over by the protestors. Their goal? To oust a ruler who 
has been in power for more than four decades. Moammer Gaddafi, unlike his 
counterparts in Tunisia and Egypt, has imposed a rabid crackdown on the 
dissenting masses, likening the country to a war zone. The anti-regime 
demonstrations are fast spreading from Benghazi and are now beginning to be 
felt in the capital city of Tripoli. The ruler, it seems, has employed his 
supporters along with the security forces, to "shoot without discrimination". 
In the meanwhile, Gaddafi's son, Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi, in a televised 
address, warned protesters that Libya was not Tunisia or Egypt and that civil 
war could be imminent. He declared that the government would fight to "the last 
bullet". These are threatening words indeed.

The Arab world is in an unprecedented state of revolt. Tunisia and Egypt have 
inspired the people into an irrepressible jolt into action. The Libyan 
protesters are looking to shape the country the way they see fit. Libya itself 
has, over the years, been fraught with many tensions and debilities. Now that 
Gaddafi himself is being cornered, it has become important to revisit the 
importance of this oil-rich country.

Unlike other dictators who have been ousted and are now under threat in these 
revolts, Moammer Gaddafi has had a love-hate relationship with the US and the 
west. After ousting King Idris from power in 1969, Gaddafi promoted himself as 
a populist leader, a staunch Arab nationalist and a supporter of Palestinian 
and anti-imperialist causes. Libya became a base for the support and training 
of radical left-wing terror groups such as the IRA, Red Army of Germany and 
Japan, and those supporting the Palestinians. Our very own nuclear scientist 
gone awry - Dr Strangelove - was exporting nuclear know-how and materials and 
one of the chief beneficiaries of this enterprise was Libya. Libya, being a 
supporter of left-wing guerilla movements and a recipient of nuclear 
proliferation, invited the wrath of the Reagan administration, which bombed 
Libya in 1986 (during which Gaddafi's daughter was killed). Some say Lockerbie, 
which took place in 1988, was a revenge strike by Gaddafi. After Lockerbie came 
immense diplomatic pressure and the threat of sanctions, due to which Gaddafi 
had to change his stance to one of compromise. The Lockerbie accused were 
handed over and nuclear secrets were shared (Pakistan's international image on 
its nuclear aspirations has never been the same since). From a populist leader, 
Gaddafi became a US stooge in the eyes of his people. His iron grip on Libya, 
the oil and gas wealth of the country and his populism were his trump cards and 
his image took a nosedive.

Now that the wave of revolt is ripe, Libyans seem ready to depose a leader of 
lost credibility and appeal. This, indeed, is a momentous moment in global 
history. Libya is a country that, due to its oil riches, shapes international 
oil markets. If Gaddafi falls, these markets will be adversely impacted, 
western prosperity fuelled by the oil wealth of the Middle East affected, and 
the global economy, still reeling from the aftereffects of recession, plunged 
into a tailspin. Arab despots are finally answering to history. Will history 
also take to task the supporters and beneficiaries of their rule? *


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[proletar] more dangerous than smoking

http://www.dailychilli.com/news/9795-oral-sex-more-dangerous-than-smoking

Oral sex more dangerous than smoking 


Oral sex is more likely to cause throat cancer than smoking does.

Scientists have warned that human papillomavirus (HPV) spread during oral sex 
is now the main cause of throat cancer in people under 50, The Daily Mail 
reports. 

The  HPV virus is to blame for the rise in potentially deadly oral cancers in 
the last few decades.

Prof Maura Gillison of Ohio State University in Columbus said the sexually 
transmitted virus was a bigger cause of some oral cancers than tobacco.

In the United Kingdom, girls aged 12 and 13 are offered the vaccine on the 
National Health Service to protect against cervical cancer.

The disease kills nearly 1,000 women every year in the UK.

Source: The Daily Mail
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[proletar] Asharq Al-Awsat talks to the New York Times' Souad Mekhennet

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=5&id=24216

Asharq Al-Awsat talks to the New York Times' Souad Mekhennet

19/02/2011
By Mohammed Al Shafey


Souad Mekhennet is a New York Times journalist of Turkish -Moroccan descent, 
born in Frankfurt, Germany. She worked for the Washington Post before joining 
the New York Times, covering conflicts and terrorist attacks in Europe, North 
Africa, and the Middle East. She worked on the feted New York Times series 
"Inside the Jihad", speaking to a number of prominent Islamist figures. She is 
also the co-author of two German language books that deal with the issues of 
political Islam and jihad, "The Children of Jihad" and "Islam." 
The following is the full text of the interview: 

[Asharq Al-Awsat] Can you tell our readers a little bit about yourself?

[Mekhennet] I am a reporter for The New York Times and since 2004 I have 
sometimes worked for German public TV. Before working for the New York Times I 
was a reporter for The Washington Post, and some German newspapers and 
magazines. Since 9/11, I have travelled and covered many conflicts and 
terrorist attacks in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. I am the 
co-author of two books, "The Children of Jihad" and "Islam", both published in 
Germany. My colleague Nicholas Kulish and I are also currently working on a 
book. I attended the "Henri - Nanina" journalism school in Hamburg and I also 
hold degrees in Political Science, International Relations, History and 
Psychology. 

[Asharq Al-Awsat] What was it like growing up in Germany as the child of Muslim 
immigrants?

[Mekhennet] It is the normal struggle that immigrants, and especially Muslim 
immigrants and their children, go through every day in European countries. 
Growing up as a child of a Muslim family in a non-Muslim society is not always 
easy. People see you differently and treat you differently. You never feel that 
you belong no matter how hard you work. Social status plays a much bigger role 
on how one is viewed and treated. I was born in Frankfurt, Germany and am the 
child of a working class family. My mother is Turkish and my father is 
Moroccan. They both worked in manual jobs; my father as a cook and my mother as 
a laundress and cleaning lady. They worked very hard and sacrificed a lot so 
that my sisters, brother, and I could do well at school. I always felt I should 
work harder and do better than German kids, and still, I never felt that I was 
fully accepted. This is, unfortunately, the story of many immigrant families 
throughout Europe.

[Asharq Al-Awsat] What first attracted you to journalism?

[Mekhennet] I wanted to become a journalist from the age of 13, and when I 
turned 17 I founded a school magazine in high school. Journalism gives you the 
possibility to uncover hidden things and hopefully contribute to changing them 
through writing, giving people who are seldom heard from a voice. You also get 
to deal with all kinds of people, the poor, the rich, the oppressed, the 
powerful, and be present and ask the questions. 

[Asharq Al-Awsat] During the recent anti-government demonstrations in Cairo, 
you were detained by the authorities. Was that your first experience of this?

[Mekhennet] I have been in difficult and sometime dangerous situations. The 
"Inside the Jihad" series which I did for the New York Times took me the back 
streets of Zarqa in Jordan where I interviewed young men who went fighting in 
Iraq. I travelled to the barren tribal areas of Waziristan, Afghanistan and 
Iraq. I visited places where the smell of gunpowder hanged permanently in the 
air. I encountered men who had been detained in prisons and spoke with tears in 
their eyes of torture and rape. I have been in other situations where I was the 
one being interrogated. But what was difficult to bear in Egypt was hearing 
people being beaten and hearing their deafening screams through the walls. It 
was harrowing.

[Asharq Al-Awsat] Can you tell us how you came to be detained in Cairo? 

[Mekhennet] We were on our way back to Cairo after spending a few days 
reporting on the protests in Alexandria for The New York Times. My colleague 
and I were travelling back to Cairo with other journalists from the German 
public television station ZDF, a normal practice in such conditions - safety in 
numbers. There was a very tense environment throughout the country, we'd heard 
of television crews being attacked and accused of creating anti-Egyptian 
propaganda. A day before our trip back to Cairo, we were caught in the middle 
of a riot with our German colleagues. 

At the outskirts of Cairo, we were stopped at what looked like a civilian 
checkpoint. We had been through many checkpoints without any problems, but this 
time when our driver opened the trunk of the car, an outburst came out from the 
crowd, when they saw a large black bag with an orange ZDF microphone poking 
out. It turned out that our colleagues at ZDF had mistakenly put their 
equipments

[proletar] Re: Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Orang Arab dr dulu mengkudeta Muhammad yg suka ngaku nabi & mengejar2 keturunan 
Muhammad supaya tidak berkuasa di muka bumi.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..
> 
> Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang 
> selama ini mengungkung mereka...
> 
> Tapi orang Indonesia berotak anjing seperti Dipo, johny-indon,
> ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, rezameutia, Roman Proteus,
> Tawang dll. masih tetap menganut agama anjing itu..
>

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[proletar] Gaddafi under threat as revolt hits Tripoli

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=24236

Gaddafi under threat as revolt hits Tripoli

21/02/2011 

 
  A video grab shows Saif al-Islam, son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, 
speaking during an address on state television in Tripoli. (R) 
 
  This photograph, obtained by The Associated Press outside Libya and taken 
by an individual not employed by AP, shows people gathering during recent days' 
unrest in Benghazi, Libya. (AP ). 
 
  This video image broadcast on Libyan state television Sunday shows 
Al-Bayda local council building on fire in Libya's third biggest city Al-Bayda. 
(AP) 
TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's four-decade-old rule 
appeared in increasing jeopardy Monday as anti-government protests reached the 
capital for the first time, leaving dozens dead at the hands of the security 
forces.

Several cities in the east appeared to be in the hands of the opposition as 
protests spread from Benghazi, cradle of a popular uprising that has rattled 
one of the Arab world's most entrenched governments.

One of Gaddafi's sons said the veteran leader would fight the revolt until "the 
last man standing."

Protesters rallied in Tripoli's streets, tribal and religious leaders spoke out 
against Gaddafi, and army units defected to the opposition in a revolt that has 
cost the lives of more than 200 people.

Protesters said they had taken control of Benghazi and other cities, with some 
analysts suggesting the country was heading for civil war.

"Libya is the most likely candidate for civil war because the government has 
lost control over part of its own territory," said Shadi Hamid, director of 
research at the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar.

Output at one of the country's oil fields was reported to have been stopped by 
a workers' strike and some European oil companies withdrew expatriate workers 
and suspended operations. Most of the country's oil fields are in the east, 
south of Benghazi.

Anti-government protests have also broken out in the central town of Ras Lanuf, 
the site of an oil refinery and petrochemical complex, Libya's Quryna newspaper 
reported on its Internet site Monday.

In signs of disagreement inside Libya's ruling elite, the justice minister 
resigned in protest at the "excessive use of violence" against protesters.

In India, Libya's ambassador said he was resigning in protest at the violent 
crackdown.

A coalition of Libyan Muslim leaders told all Muslims it was their duty to 
rebel against the Libyan leadership because of its "bloody crimes against 
humanity."

European nations watched developments in Libya with a growing sense of alarm 
after the government in Tripoli said it would suspend cooperation on stemming 
the flow of illegal immigrants across the Mediterranean.

British Prime Minister David Cameron, on a visit to the region, said events in 
Libya were appalling and unacceptable.

Al Jazeera television quoted medical sources as saying 61 people had been 
killed in the latest protests in Tripoli.

It said security forces were looting banks and other government institutions in 
Tripoli, and protesters had broken into several police stations and wrecked 
them.

A Reuters reporter in Tripoli said residents were stocking up on essential 
goods, apparently in anticipation of new clashes after nightfall. There were 
long queues at food shops and long lines of cars at fuel stations.

The building where the General People's Congress, or parliament, meets in 
Tripoli was on fire Monday, as was a police station in one of the eastern 
suburbs.

Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi appeared on national television in an 
attempt both to threaten and to calm people, saying the army would enforce 
security at any price to put down one of the bloodiest revolts to convulse the 
Arab world. 

"We will keep fighting until the last man standing, even to the last woman 
standing," he said Sunday. 

But people in Tripoli expressed anger at the speech. 

A Libyan woman who gave her name as Salma, said: "The speech was very, very 
bad," 

"The speech was very disappointing because he threatened the Libyan people with 
killing, hunger and burning. He did not offer mercy for the souls of the 
martyrs who were killed." 

Another man said: "We were waiting for something good for us, the young people, 
to calm the anger but he did nothing." 

GREEN SQUARE 

Gaddafi supporters were in central Tripoli's Green Square on Monday, waving 
flags and carrying his portrait. 

Saif al-Islam's cajoling is unlikely to be enough to douse the anger unleashed 
after four decades of rule by Gaddafi -- mirroring events in Egypt where a 
popular revolt overthrew the seemingly impregnable President Hosni Mubarak 10 
days ago. 

In the eastern city of Benghazi, protesters appeared to be largely in control 
after forcing troops and police to retreat to a compound. Government buildings 
were set ablaze and ransacked. 

"Youths with weapons are in charge of the

[proletar] Iran, Syria and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=24248


Iran, Syria and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

21/02/2011 
By Huda Al Husseini





A race has reached its peak in Iran, between plots hatched by the Iranian 
regime to form a regional alliance under its leadership, and the ability of the 
Iranian opposition - with its various divisions - to destroy such plans and 
expose the Iranian regime. 


Before Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was overthrown, two counties publicly 
and officially welcomed what was happening in Tahrir Square. In Iran, the 
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, together with President Mahmoud 
Ahmadinejad, considered what was happening in Egypt to be a continuation of the 
Iranian Islamic Revolution. In Syria, immediately after Mubarak was overthrown, 
President Bashar al-Assad said "the Egypt of Camp David has gone"(although the 
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem stated last Monday that "the Egyptian 
military leadership's decision to continue adhering to its international and 
regional treaties is a purely Egyptian decision"). 


Anyone observing the Iran's way of thinking would realize that Iran is 
insistent on implementing its expansionist plots, even if it is forced to 
resort to violence against its own people. The change that has occurred in 
Egypt will strengthen Iran's conviction that it is now on the verge of success. 
In January 2010, Iran and Syria had initiated a plan of coordination between 
them, relating to Egypt in the "post-Mubarak era". The two countries began to 
take early steps to influence the election of a successor to Mubarak, after 
they became convinced that he would step down due to ill health. 


After the outbreak of the Egyptian revolution in Tahrir Square, Syria 
considered its own state of affairs to be stable, and predicted that Mubarak's 
regime would inevitably fall, expecting other Arab countries to follow it. 
Thus, this was an opportunity for Syria and Iran to exploit, in order to 
strengthen their radical alliance. 


Therefore, senior Syrian officials from Ministry of Foreign Affairs presented a 
report to their top political representatives, detailing the situation in Egypt 
as well in other Arab states. They proposed to accelerate the implementation of 
the Iranian-Syrian agreement, aiming to pressure Egypt to join their 
anti-American alliance. The report also highlighted the need for senior 
officials from both countries to discuss the state of affairs in other Arab 
countries. 


The report emphasized that there was no current danger to stability in Syria, 
whilst recommending that several secret precautions be taken. If precautions 
were taken overtly, they might be misinterpreted, giving the impression that 
the regime was greatly concerned, and this would prompt the opposition in Syria 
to provoke the regime. In the end, access to Facebook and Youtube was 
permitted, as the internet is not widespread in Syria. 


The report's authors believe that what happened in Tunisia has no precedent in 
modern Arab history, although the Arab region is accustomed to military coups 
or foreign interventions, when regimes are overthrown. Yet they alluded to the 
possibility of repeated cases of collapse regarding Arab regimes, "especially 
in Egypt." The report's authors used Iranian intelligence regarding the decline 
of the Egyptian regime's ability to deter [civil unrest], in the face of 
educated young people who suffer from poverty, unemployment, deplorable living 
conditions, and a political regime beset by corruption. Hence, it was 
impossible for the Egyptian regime to neutralize the popular uprising, because 
it did not have solutions to the economic problems inherent in Egypt, and was 
cautious about resorting to violence to confront the demonstrations, because of 
[the presence of] Arab satellite channels, especially "al-Jazeera". The report 
indicated that a study is currently being conducted to gauge this channel's 
policy towards Syria, and to try to reach an agreement with it, as Iran did 
during the demonstrations that erupted after the 2009 elections, when 
Ahmadinejad was declared victorious.

Analysts from the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs concluded that the 
incidents in Egypt do not concern Iran greatly, because it has been successful 
in the past 18 months in establishing a considerable deterrent force against 
Iranian opposition. Those opposition members who suffered at the hands of the 
regime will not contemplate challenging it again. In addition, following the 
demonstrations that marred Ahmadinejad's electoral victory, Iran carefully 
studied the modus operandi of the opposition, and is now capable of besieging 
all opposition movements and preventing future demonstrations. 

Regarding the likely implications of the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions - 
which according to the report would become realities - it was claimed that both 
revolutions further confirmed the weakness of the US, Britain and France i

[proletar] Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Orang  Arab sedang menuntut demokrasi..

Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang 
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[proletar] Orang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Orang sedang Arab menuntut demokrasi..

Artinya mereka sudah mulai meninggalkan ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang 
selama ini mengungkung mereka...

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[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa


Berarti NASA hebat bisa motret jin.

Muhammad yg katanya nabi pernah ktemu Jibril ga bisa motret jin :) 


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah banyak 
> dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg 
> sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun,
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > 
> >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa 
> >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > 
> > 
> > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi di 
> > Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > 
> > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam, Kubah 
> > Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan diunggah 
> > ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap 
> > hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > 
> > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini umat Islam 
> > sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di sana dan naik ke 
> > sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > 
> > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis Amerika 
> > dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah hasil 
> > rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang sepertinya 
> > merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > 
> > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar, sebelum 
> > tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > 
> > ITN| ANTO
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared because of 
> > they teach love & justice.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, 
> > MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW 
> > MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?



Tawangalun marah2 setelah tdk bisa buktikan teks Qur'an yg suruh pake celana 
jengrang.

Juga ga bisa buktikan orang sholat harus pake sarung.

Ga ada bukti Muhammad itu pake celana :)



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> Otak babi.
> 
> otak binatang.
> 
> Hadits taik kucing..
> 
> Hadits itu cuman omong kosong dan kibulan orang Timur Tengah  primitif doang.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> >
> > Sudahlah kamu itu kan gak ngerti hadis2 yg berkaitan dg Imam mahdi.
> > Dia akan muncul nanti pada saat Rojo saudy mati terbunuh,jadi waktunya 
> > masih nanti,makanya tunggu saja mainnya.
> > Lalu Nabi memang memerintahkan agar pengikutnya agar mencukur kumis dan 
> > memelihara jenggot,lalu mata kakinya harus kelihatan.Itu untuk identitas 
> > muslim lanang,la yg wedok jelas sudah berbaju brukut tdk memperlihatkan 
> > curvacuous dan jilbaban.Jadi jangan heran kalau sepintas sdr akan keliru 
> > dikira Wahaby padahal salafy,satunya menentang SBY satunya patuh.Goblokmu 
> > gak nambah2 sih.
> > 
> > Shalom,
> > Tawangalun.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Tawangalun itu bego.
> > > 
> > > Raja Saudi itu muncul belum ada 100 tahun lalu.
> > > Wahabi itu bunuhin keluarga Muhammad di Saudi, sehingga keluarga Muhammad 
> > > lari keluar Saudi.
> > > 
> > > FPI itu kalo ngaku keturunan nabi ya bukan Wahabi.
> > > 
> > > Kamu itu dong maksudnya Wahabi ga?
> > > 
> > > Salafy itu beda lagi.
> > > 
> > > Celana jenggrang itu ga ada bahkan teksnya di Qur'an.
> > > 
> > > Muhammad itu mana pernah pake celana?
> > > 
> > > Muhammad itu apa pernah ke mesjid sarungan?
> > > 
> > > Goblok tenan kowe.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya Rojo 
> > > > Saudy,tunggu aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan 
> > > > Wahaby,yang model2 FPI dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik 
> > > > itu Salafy,meskipun sama2 berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya 
> > > > menentang SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.
> > > > 
> > > > Shalom,
> > > > Tawangalun.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di 
> > > > > Saudi :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana 
> > > > > ngerti beginian :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > > > > > didongkel...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage 
> > > > > > > mereka di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah 
> > > > > > > meninggalkan Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel 
> > > > > > > membantah berita ini.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   - Original Message - 
> > > > > > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > > > > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > > > > > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for 
> > > > > > > the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world 
> > > > > > > ever needed foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now 
> > > > > > > it could prove false the notion that the American administration 
> > > > > > > and other Western governments ever cared about human rights or 
> > > > > > > self determination. Unfortunately, this will be done through the 
> > > > > > > massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer 
> > > > > > > cripple the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of 
> > > > > > > today is no longer dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who 
> > > > > > > foolishly continue to try and suppress it eventually burn or melt 
> > > > > > > away. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > > > > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in 
> > > > > > > some cases two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing 
> > > > > > > dissent, a fear so crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent 
> > > > > > > and ultimately irrelevant . But the region has now been revived 
> > > > > > > by its youth who have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that 
> > > > > > > they know no fe

[proletar] Next stop: The House of Saud

Refleksi : Apakah  NKRI akan mengirim sukarelawan  untuk membela raja apabila 
seandainya terjadi demonstrasi besar-besaran di Arab Saudia seperti apa  yang 
terjadi di Tunisia, Mesir dan, Bahrain? 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB19Ak01.html

Feb 19, 2011 

Next stop: The House of Saud
By Pepe Escobar 


Here's a crash course on how one of "our" - monarchic - dictators treats his 
own people during the great 2011 Arab revolt. 

The king of Bahrain, Hamad al-Khalifa, has blood on his hands after his 
mercenary security forces - Pakistani, Indian, Syrian and Jordanian - with no 
previous warning, attacked sleeping, peaceful protesters at 3 am on Thursday at 
the Pearl roundabout, the tiny Gulf country's version of Cairo's Tahrir Square. 

In the brutal crackdown, at least five people have been killed - including a 
young child - and 2,000 injured, some by gunshots, two of these in critical 
condition. Riot police targeted doctors and medics and prevented ambulances and 
blood donors from reaching the Pearl roundabout. A doctor at Salmaniya hospital 
told al-Jazeera there was a refrigerated truck outside the hospital, which he 
fears the army has used to remove more dead bodies. 

The resourceful Maryama Alkawaka of the Bahrain Center for Human Rights was 
there; "It was very violent, [the police] were not showing any mercy." An 
avalanche of tweets from Bahrainis denounced an "Israeli-style" sneak attack 
and shoot-to-kill approach. And many have denounced al-Jazeera for not having 
kept a live satellite link as it had in Cairo, and for implying that this was 
only a Shi'ite protest. The Pearl roundabout is now surrounded by nearly 100 
tanks at every entrance and exit. Downtown Manama has been turned into a ghost 
city. 

The Shi'ite opposition described it as "real terrorism". Reem Khalifa, senor 
editor at the opposition newspaper al-Wasat, said, "The regime forces just came 
and massacred a crowd of people as they slept." They had been "chanting 
together, shouting 'neither Sunni nor Shi'ite but Bahraini'. We have not seen 
this before. And this is what annoyed the government agents the most - they are 
always trying to divide the people ... And now the regime is spreading lies 
about me and other journalists who are trying to say what is happening." 

Khalifa had the courage to stand up and harshly confront Bahrain's foreign 
minister at a press conference, totally debunking his version of events (he 
called the deaths "regrettable" but insisted protesters were sectarian, and 
armed). 

The Gulf Cooperation Council - the scandalously wealthy club of local kingdoms 
which holds over US$1 trillion stashed away in foreign reserves and almost 50% 
of the world's proven oil reserves still underground - issued, what else, a 
bland statement supporting Bahrain. 

Kill them, but with a velvet glove 
Is Washington remotely outraged by all this? The record speaks for itself. 
United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "deep concern", 
according to the State Department, and "urged restraint". The Pentagon said 
Bahrain was "an important partner"; later Secretary of Defense Robert Gates 
called Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman - certainly to make sure everything was 
dandy with the US Navy's 5th Fleet and its 2,250 personnel housed in an 
isolated compound inside 24 hectares in the center of Manama. 

Even the New York Times was forced to acknowledge that US President Barack 
Obama had "yet to issue the blunt public criticism of Bahrain's rulers that he 
eventually leveled against President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt - or that he has 
repeatedly aimed at the mullahs in Iran". But he can't; after all, Bahrain's 
I-shot-my-people king is another usual suspect, a "pillar of the American 
security architecture in the Middle East", and "a staunch ally of Washington in 
its showdown with Iran's Shi'ite theocracy". 

Under these strategic circumstances, it's hard to dismiss Lebanese political 
scientist and blogger at the Angry Arab website As'ad AbuKhalil, when he 
stresses, "The US had to plot the repression of Bahrain to appease Saudi Arabia 
and other Arab tyrants who were mad at Obama for not defending Mubarak to the 
every end." 

Incidentally, Saudi Arabia's prince Talal Bin Abdulaziz - father of the 
billionaire darling of the West prince Al Waleed bin Talal - told the BBC 
there's a danger the protests in Bahrain could spill into Saudi Arabia. 

It's never enough to stress Bahrain is all about Iran vs Saudi Arabia (see All 
about the Pearl roundabout Asia Times Online, February 18). 

The US naval base in Manama translates as a cop on the (Persian Gulf) beat. 
Moreover, 15% of Saudi Arabia's population is Shi'ite, living in the eastern 
provinces, where the oil is. That makes it very hard for Bahrainis - Shi'ite 
and even Sunni - to threaten the ruling, Sunni, al-Khalifa dynasty, as the 
House of Saud will immediately rush in with all sorts of logistical and 
military support. 

Moreover, Sa

[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

Salafy taik anjing..


Tetap aja tu aliran dungu lagi biadab cuman jelmaan salah satu sekte Nasrani 
unitarian, seperti sekte atau mazhab agama Islam yang lain..

...




--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah banyak 
> dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg 
> sebenarnya.Sudah berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun,
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > allah itu semacam UFO :)
> > 
> >  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa 
> >  Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> > 
> > 
> > TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi di 
> > Yogyakarta. Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> > 
> > Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam, Kubah 
> > Masjid Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan diunggah 
> > ke YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap 
> > hoaxâ"berita konyol saja.
> > 
> > Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini umat Islam 
> > sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di sana dan naik ke 
> > sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> > 
> > Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis Amerika 
> > dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah hasil 
> > rekayasa atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang sepertinya 
> > merekam adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> > 
> > Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
> >  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar, sebelum 
> > tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> > 
> > ITN| ANTO
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared because of 
> > they teach love & justice.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is different wih Muhammad.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, 
> > MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW 
> > MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat


Tawangalun sekian lama promosi Muhammad terus tiba2 bilang Islam ga ada kaitan 
dgn Muhammad :)



> Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad 
> SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau 
> berserah diri.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama Muhameddan.Yang ada 
> Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada yg tertulis Ahmadiyah 
> padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh kabeh agama kok namanya ada 
> sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.
> 
> 1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
> 2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
> 3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
> 4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
> 5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
> 6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
> 7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
> 8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
> 9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
> Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad 
> SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau 
> berserah diri.
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti 
> > agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> > 
> > Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian njlimet 
> > hingga muncul sekte2. 
> > 
> > Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & 
> > Kafir, jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> > 
> > Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya 
> > jargon2 para Muhammedan. 
> > 
> > Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman satu, 
> > apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja Katolik. 
> > Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan istri2 nya.
> > 
> > Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
> > dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi 
> > mereka.
> > 
> > Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, sementara 
> > Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> > >
> > > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah semuanya 
> > > atau ..
> > > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> > > membenarkan.
> > > 
> > > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> > > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> > > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> > > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > > 
> > > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > > 
> > > rs
> > > 
> > > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > > >
> > > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > > >
> > > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, KH. 
> > > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak lama.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik telah 
> > > > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada hidayatullah.com 
> > > > Kamis, (17/2).
> > > > >
> > > > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar, dan 
> > > > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap 
> > > > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada masyarakat. 
> > > > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat Nabi, 
> > > > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap meyebarkan 
> > > > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah, apalagi di 
> > > > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan, tambahnya, 
> > > >

[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Otak babi.

otak binatang.

Hadits taik kucing..

Hadits itu cuman omong kosong dan kibulan orang Timur Tengah  primitif doang.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Sudahlah kamu itu kan gak ngerti hadis2 yg berkaitan dg Imam mahdi.
> Dia akan muncul nanti pada saat Rojo saudy mati terbunuh,jadi waktunya masih 
> nanti,makanya tunggu saja mainnya.
> Lalu Nabi memang memerintahkan agar pengikutnya agar mencukur kumis dan 
> memelihara jenggot,lalu mata kakinya harus kelihatan.Itu untuk identitas 
> muslim lanang,la yg wedok jelas sudah berbaju brukut tdk memperlihatkan 
> curvacuous dan jilbaban.Jadi jangan heran kalau sepintas sdr akan keliru 
> dikira Wahaby padahal salafy,satunya menentang SBY satunya patuh.Goblokmu gak 
> nambah2 sih.
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Tawangalun itu bego.
> > 
> > Raja Saudi itu muncul belum ada 100 tahun lalu.
> > Wahabi itu bunuhin keluarga Muhammad di Saudi, sehingga keluarga Muhammad 
> > lari keluar Saudi.
> > 
> > FPI itu kalo ngaku keturunan nabi ya bukan Wahabi.
> > 
> > Kamu itu dong maksudnya Wahabi ga?
> > 
> > Salafy itu beda lagi.
> > 
> > Celana jenggrang itu ga ada bahkan teksnya di Qur'an.
> > 
> > Muhammad itu mana pernah pake celana?
> > 
> > Muhammad itu apa pernah ke mesjid sarungan?
> > 
> > Goblok tenan kowe.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya Rojo 
> > > Saudy,tunggu aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan 
> > > Wahaby,yang model2 FPI dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik itu 
> > > Salafy,meskipun sama2 berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya 
> > > menentang SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.
> > > 
> > > Shalom,
> > > Tawangalun.
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di 
> > > > Saudi :)
> > > > 
> > > > Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti 
> > > > beginian :)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > > > > didongkel...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage 
> > > > > > mereka di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah 
> > > > > > meninggalkan Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel 
> > > > > > membantah berita ini.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   - Original Message - 
> > > > > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > > > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > > > > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for 
> > > > > > the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever 
> > > > > > needed foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could 
> > > > > > prove false the notion that the American administration and other 
> > > > > > Western governments ever cared about human rights or self 
> > > > > > determination. Unfortunately, this will be done through the 
> > > > > > massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer 
> > > > > > cripple the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of 
> > > > > > today is no longer dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who 
> > > > > > foolishly continue to try and suppress it eventually burn or melt 
> > > > > > away. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > > > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some 
> > > > > > cases two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a 
> > > > > > fear so crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and 
> > > > > > ultimately irrelevant . But the region has now been revived by its 
> > > > > > youth who have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know 
> > > > > > no fear, that they would rather die standing than live on their 
> > > > > > knees. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the 
> > > > > > inevitability of freedom, America and Britain fail to understand 
> > > > > > that they can not continue to do business with dictators and still 
> > > > > > say they are "friends of the people".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American 
> > > > > > compani

[proletar] Re: UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

Nurut Salafy UFO itu jin makane saya ngepal walaupun foto2 UFO sudah banyak 
dimiliki NASA atau Inggris takkan bisa mereka mengungkapkan yg sebenarnya.Sudah 
berapa tahun coba mulai ada foto UFO?

Shalom,
Tawangalun,

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Si Kebenaran  wrote:
>
> 
> allah itu semacam UFO :)
> 
>  Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa 
>Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB
> 
> 
> TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem â" Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi di Yogyakarta. 
> Di belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.
> 
> Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam, Kubah Masjid 
> Al Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan diunggah ke 
> YouTube. Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap hoaxâ"berita 
> konyol saja.
> 
> Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini umat Islam 
> sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di sana dan naik ke 
> sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.
> 
> Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis Amerika 
> dan diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah hasil rekayasa 
> atau tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang sepertinya merekam 
> adegan itu dari sudut yang berbeda.
> 
> Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
>  menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar, sebelum 
> tiba-tiba melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.
> 
> ITN| ANTO
> 
> ***
> 
> Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared because of 
> they teach love & justice.
> 
> 
> 
> It is different wih Muhammad.
> 
> 
> 
> I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, MURDERER, 
> TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, 
> AUNT MOLESTER.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat


Nyatanya: agama anjing Islam itu adalah agama yang sungguh dungu dan  biadab..
 

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama Muhameddan.Yang ada 
> Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada yg tertulis Ahmadiyah 
> padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh kabeh agama kok namanya ada 
> sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.
> 
> 1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
> 2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
> 3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
> 4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
> 5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
> 6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
> 7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
> 8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
> 9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
> Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad 
> SAW,dinamai ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau 
> berserah diri.
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti 
> > agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> > 
> > Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian njlimet 
> > hingga muncul sekte2. 
> > 
> > Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & 
> > Kafir, jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> > 
> > Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya 
> > jargon2 para Muhammedan. 
> > 
> > Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman satu, 
> > apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja Katolik. 
> > Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan istri2 nya.
> > 
> > Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
> > dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi 
> > mereka.
> > 
> > Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, sementara 
> > Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> > >
> > > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah semuanya 
> > > atau ..
> > > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> > > membenarkan.
> > > 
> > > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> > > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> > > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> > > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > > 
> > > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > > 
> > > rs
> > > 
> > > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > > >
> > > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > > >
> > > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > > >
> > > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, KH. 
> > > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak lama.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik telah 
> > > > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada hidayatullah.com 
> > > > Kamis, (17/2).
> > > > >
> > > > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar, dan 
> > > > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap 
> > > > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada masyarakat. 
> > > > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat Nabi, 
> > > > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap meyebarkan 
> > > > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah, apalagi di 
> > > > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan, tambahnya, 
> > > > praktik nikah mut'ah mulai marak terjadi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abdussomad tidak sedang mengarang cerita. Informasi penting itu ia 
> > > > dapatkan dari salah satu Ketua Kelompok Ahlus

[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Sudahlah kamu itu kan gak ngerti hadis2 yg berkaitan dg Imam mahdi.
Dia akan muncul nanti pada saat Rojo saudy mati terbunuh,jadi waktunya masih 
nanti,makanya tunggu saja mainnya.
Lalu Nabi memang memerintahkan agar pengikutnya agar mencukur kumis dan 
memelihara jenggot,lalu mata kakinya harus kelihatan.Itu untuk identitas muslim 
lanang,la yg wedok jelas sudah berbaju brukut tdk memperlihatkan curvacuous dan 
jilbaban.Jadi jangan heran kalau sepintas sdr akan keliru dikira Wahaby padahal 
salafy,satunya menentang SBY satunya patuh.Goblokmu gak nambah2 sih.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> Tawangalun itu bego.
> 
> Raja Saudi itu muncul belum ada 100 tahun lalu.
> Wahabi itu bunuhin keluarga Muhammad di Saudi, sehingga keluarga Muhammad 
> lari keluar Saudi.
> 
> FPI itu kalo ngaku keturunan nabi ya bukan Wahabi.
> 
> Kamu itu dong maksudnya Wahabi ga?
> 
> Salafy itu beda lagi.
> 
> Celana jenggrang itu ga ada bahkan teksnya di Qur'an.
> 
> Muhammad itu mana pernah pake celana?
> 
> Muhammad itu apa pernah ke mesjid sarungan?
> 
> Goblok tenan kowe.
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> >
> > Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya Rojo 
> > Saudy,tunggu aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan 
> > Wahaby,yang model2 FPI dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik itu 
> > Salafy,meskipun sama2 berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya menentang 
> > SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.
> > 
> > Shalom,
> > Tawangalun.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di Saudi 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti 
> > > beginian :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > > > didongkel...
> > > > 
> > > > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage 
> > > > > mereka di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah 
> > > > > meninggalkan Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah 
> > > > > berita ini.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Original Message - 
> > > > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > > > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 
> > > > > 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever 
> > > > > needed foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could 
> > > > > prove false the notion that the American administration and other 
> > > > > Western governments ever cared about human rights or self 
> > > > > determination. Unfortunately, this will be done through the 
> > > > > massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer 
> > > > > cripple the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today 
> > > > > is no longer dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly 
> > > > > continue to try and suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some 
> > > > > cases two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear 
> > > > > so crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately 
> > > > > irrelevant . But the region has now been revived by its youth who 
> > > > > have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, 
> > > > > that they would rather die standing than live on their knees. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability 
> > > > > of freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not 
> > > > > continue to do business with dictators and still say they are 
> > > > > "friends of the people".
> > > > > 
> > > > >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American 
> > > > > companies and expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in 
> > > > > recent years as the "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the 
> > > > > most scandalous of relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the 
> > > > > Libyan government (freezing personal assets of Gaddafi for example) 
> > > > > to immediately stop the butchering of innocent civilians when 10 per 
> > > > > cent of Europe's oil originates in Libya?
> > > > >

[proletar] UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik Si Kebenaran


allah itu semacam UFO :)

 Hoax, UFO Melayang di Kubah Masjid Al Aqsa 
 Kamis, 03 Februari 2011 | 23:24 WIB


TEMPO Interaktif Yerusalem – Fenomena UFO tak hanya terjadi di Yogyakarta. Di 
belahan bumi lain juga muncul berita heboh ini.

Sebuah UFO melayang persis di atas salah satu situs suci Islam, Kubah Masjid Al 
Aqsa di Yerusalem. Adegan ini terekam sebuah kamera dan diunggah ke YouTube. 
Tentu saja, berita heboh ini langsung saja dianggap hoax—berita konyol saja.

Seperti di ketahui, Masjid Al Aqsa adalah tempat yang diyakini umat Islam 
sebagai tempat suci dimana Nabi Muhammad pernah singgah di sana dan naik ke 
sidratul muntaha atau langit ketujuh.

Adegan UFO berada di atas kubah itu ditangkap kamera seorang turis Amerika dan 
diposting di YouTube. Meski langsung diyakini itu hanyalah hasil rekayasa atau 
tipu-tipu saja, namun ternyata ada orang lain yang sepertinya merekam adegan 
itu dari sudut yang berbeda.

Dari rekaman itu, terlihat bola bersinar
 menurun sampai atas Kubah Masjid. Melayang-layang sebentar, sebelum tiba-tiba 
melesat ke atas. Percaya atau, tidak, lihat saja.

ITN| ANTO

***

Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Baha’i, & Karl Marx can be compared because of they 
teach love & justice.



It is different wih Muhammad.



I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, MURDERER, 
TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, 
AUNT MOLESTER.



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[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat

Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama Muhameddan.Yang ada 
Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada yg tertulis Ahmadiyah 
padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh kabeh agama kok namanya ada 
sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.

1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad SAW,dinamai 
ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau berserah diri.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti 
> agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> 
> Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian njlimet 
> hingga muncul sekte2. 
> 
> Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & Kafir, 
> jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> 
> Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya 
> jargon2 para Muhammedan. 
> 
> Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman satu, 
> apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja Katolik. 
> Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan istri2 nya.
> 
> Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
> dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi mereka.
> 
> Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, sementara 
> Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> >
> > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah semuanya 
> > atau ..
> > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> > membenarkan.
> > 
> > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > 
> > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > 
> > rs
> > 
> > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > >
> > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > >
> > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > >
> > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > >
> > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > >
> > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > >
> > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, KH. 
> > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak lama.
> > > >
> > > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik telah 
> > > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada hidayatullah.com 
> > > Kamis, (17/2).
> > > >
> > > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar, dan 
> > > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > > >
> > > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap 
> > > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > > >
> > > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada masyarakat. 
> > > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat Nabi, 
> > > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > > >
> > > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap meyebarkan 
> > > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > > >
> > > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah, apalagi di 
> > > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan, tambahnya, 
> > > praktik nikah mut'ah mulai marak terjadi.
> > > >
> > > > Abdussomad tidak sedang mengarang cerita. Informasi penting itu ia 
> > > dapatkan dari salah satu Ketua Kelompok Ahlussunah wal Jama'ah 
> > > (Aswaja). Kendati demikian, dalam kejadian kemarin, kata Abdussomad, 
> > > bukan atas instruksi Aswaja, melainkan aksi spontanitas massa biasa.
> > > >
> > > > "Itu bermula karena saling ejek, kemudian berbuntut hingga aksi 
> > > pelemparan," paparnya.
> > > >
> > > > Agar kejadian serupa tidak terjadi, Abdussomad meminta pihak YAPI 
> > > menghent

[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat

Kebenaran itu sukaknya ngrubah2 nama,opo ada di KTP agama Muhameddan.Yang ada 
Islam,Kristen,Katolik ,Buddha dsb,bahkan belum ada yg tertulis Ahmadiyah 
padahal berbeda dg Islam.Opo kamu merasa iri peh kabeh agama kok namanya ada 
sangkutan dg pembawa,but Islam.

1.Dinamai Buddha soale dibawa Sang Buddha.
2.Disebut Kong Hu Chu soale dibawa Kong Hu Chu.
3.Kristen soale dibawa sang Kristus.
4.Roma Katolik ,ada sangkutan dg Romawi,so do Greek Catholik.
5.Dinamai Protestan soale dulunya wong Protest surat Aflat.
6.Dinamai agama yahudi,soale ada sangkutan ras yahudi.
7.Kristen Jawi,soale jamaahe wong Jowo,so do HKBP pasti Batak.
8.Dinamai Hindhu soale dari tanah Hindustan.
9.Sekte Ahmadiyah soale yg bikin Gulam Ahmad.
Nah sekian banyak yg lain dari pada yg lain kok yg dibawa Muhammad SAW,dinamai 
ISLAM yg gak ada kaitan dg Muhammad.Sebab artinya Selamat atau berserah diri.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti 
> agama, perspektif mereka wahyu.
> 
> Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian njlimet 
> hingga muncul sekte2. 
> 
> Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & Kafir, 
> jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.
> 
> Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya 
> jargon2 para Muhammedan. 
> 
> Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman satu, 
> apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja Katolik. 
> Karena Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan istri2 nya.
> 
> Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
> dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi mereka.
> 
> Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, sementara 
> Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
> >
> > jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah semuanya 
> > atau ..
> > saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> > membenarkan.
> > 
> > kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> > yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> > apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> > hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> > memperbaikinya lagi.
> > 
> > kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> > 
> > rs
> > 
> > On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> > >
> > > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > > Yahudi - Kristen.
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > > >
> > > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > > >
> > > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > > >
> > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > > >
> > > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > > >
> > > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, KH. 
> > > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak lama.
> > > >
> > > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik telah 
> > > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada hidayatullah.com 
> > > Kamis, (17/2).
> > > >
> > > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar, dan 
> > > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > > >
> > > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap 
> > > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > > >
> > > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada masyarakat. 
> > > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat Nabi, 
> > > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > > >
> > > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap meyebarkan 
> > > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > > >
> > > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah, apalagi di 
> > > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan, tambahnya, 
> > > praktik nikah mut'ah mulai marak terjadi.
> > > >
> > > > Abdussomad tidak sedang mengarang cerita. Informasi penting itu ia 
> > > dapatkan dari salah satu Ketua Kelompok Ahlussunah wal Jama'ah 
> > > (Aswaja). Kendati demikian, dalam kejadian kemarin, kata Abdussomad, 
> > > bukan atas instruksi Aswaja, melainkan aksi spontanitas massa biasa.
> > > >
> > > > "Itu bermula karena saling ejek, kemudian berbuntut hingga aksi 
> > > pelemparan," paparnya.
> > > >
> > > > Agar kejadian serupa tidak terjadi, Abdussomad meminta pihak YAPI 
> > > menghent

Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?



Banyak juga Muhammedan yg ga percaya Muhammad lalu membuat teks Qur'an buat lap 
pantat :)


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> Otak babi.
> 
> otak binatnag..
> 
> Orang Nasrani sudah lama menyikapi kitab suci mereka dengan kritis..
> 
> "ndeboost" iru cuman buang-buang, waktu doang.
>  
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
> >
> > Yub maksudnya Pak nDe BOOST itu ben Christian tidak menolak argumen yg 
> > pakai dalil2 Bijbel.Kalau pakai Quran yo mana mau si Christian wong bukan 
> > kitabnya.Kita kalau bicara dg wong Papua yo pakailah bahasa Papua jangan 
> > pakai Jowo.
> > 
> > Shalom,
> > Tawangalun.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub yahya  wrote:
> > >
> > > well, bagus 2 orang muslim ngajinya pakai bible..
> > > memang, pada dasarnya al-quran terlalu monolog,
> > > quran hanya berisi 'perintah/kwajiban dan larangan'
> > > 
> > > Disinilah kesalahan al-Quran.. ummatnya tidak diberi
> > > Â kesempatan mikir
> > > 
> > > Â 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 2/20/11, ndeboost  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Muhammad saw kah? (4) Didoain sepanjang waktu sepanjang hari
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Mengapa hingga kini (ber-abad2 lamanya), setiap hari seluruh umat
> > > 
> > > Islam harus mendoakan "keselamatan" seorang "Ia".
> > > 
> > > Siapakah gerangan "Ia" ini?
> > > 
> > > Kalik inilah penggenapan Nubuat Mazmur 72.."Ia" yang akan
> > > 
> > > (sedang dan telah) mendapatkan doa sholawat dan doa berkat..SEPANJANG
> > > 
> > > HARI!! Mazmur 72:13-15 (13) ia akan sayang kepada orang lemah dan orang
> > > 
> > > miskin, ia akan menyelamatkan nyawa orang miskin. (14) Ia akan menebus
> > > 
> > > nyawa mereka dari penindasan dan kekerasan, darah mereka mahal di
> > > 
> > > matanya. (15) Hiduplah ia! Kiranya dipersembahkan kepadanya emas Syeba!
> > > 
> > > KIRANYA IA DIDOAKAN SENANTIASA, DAN DIBERKATI SEPANJANG HARI!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sepanjang waktu, setiap hari mulai Subuh hingga Isa, tengah malam,
> > > 
> > > maupun ditengah sengatan matahari ga henti-hentinya diseluruh muka bumi,
> > > 
> > > ada satu orang (Bukan Tuhan!! Tuhan bukan didoain namun tempat meminta)
> > > 
> > > yang didoakan ummatnya seantero jagad!
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > Yap, Pak. Karena yang berucap Yesus a.s sendiri, jadi
> > > 
> > > > keknya mentog di Muhammad saw, yg ayat-ayatnya
> > > 
> > > > dibuka dengan nama Allah.
> > > 
> > > > Namun demikian kita tunggu komen dari kawan-kawan
> > > 
> > > > para Pauline Crosstian.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > Kalau nurut saya yg dimaksud "Dia" itu Nabi saya sebab semua
> > > 
> > > surahnya
> > > 
> > > > diawali :In the name of Allah atau Atas Nama Allah.Sedangkan Kitab2 yg
> > > 
> > > > lain gak ada pembukaan seperti itu.
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > Shalom,
> > > 
> > > > > Tawangalun.
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > > Mat 23:39 Dan Aku berkata kepadamu: Mulai sekarang kamu tidak akan
> > > 
> > > > > > melihat aku lagi, hingga kamu berkata: Diberkatilah DIA yang
> > > 
> > > datang
> > > 
> > > > > > dalam nama Tuhan!"
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?


Tawangalun itu bego.

Raja Saudi itu muncul belum ada 100 tahun lalu.
Wahabi itu bunuhin keluarga Muhammad di Saudi, sehingga keluarga Muhammad lari 
keluar Saudi.

FPI itu kalo ngaku keturunan nabi ya bukan Wahabi.

Kamu itu dong maksudnya Wahabi ga?

Salafy itu beda lagi.

Celana jenggrang itu ga ada bahkan teksnya di Qur'an.

Muhammad itu mana pernah pake celana?

Muhammad itu apa pernah ke mesjid sarungan?

Goblok tenan kowe.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya Rojo 
> Saudy,tunggu aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan 
> Wahaby,yang model2 FPI dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik itu 
> Salafy,meskipun sama2 berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya menentang 
> SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di Saudi :)
> > 
> > Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti 
> > beginian :)
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > > didongkel...
> > > 
> > > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage 
> > > > mereka di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah 
> > > > meninggalkan Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah 
> > > > berita ini.
> > > > 
> > > >   - Original Message - 
> > > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 
> > > > 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > > 
> > > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > > 
> > > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever 
> > > > needed foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could 
> > > > prove false the notion that the American administration and other 
> > > > Western governments ever cared about human rights or self 
> > > > determination. Unfortunately, this will be done through the massacring 
> > > > of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> > > > 
> > > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple 
> > > > the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no 
> > > > longer dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue 
> > > > to try and suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> > > > 
> > > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some 
> > > > cases two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear 
> > > > so crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately 
> > > > irrelevant . But the region has now been revived by its youth who have 
> > > > shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, that they 
> > > > would rather die standing than live on their knees. 
> > > > 
> > > >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability 
> > > > of freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not 
> > > > continue to do business with dictators and still say they are "friends 
> > > > of the people".
> > > > 
> > > >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American 
> > > > companies and expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in 
> > > > recent years as the "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the 
> > > > most scandalous of relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the 
> > > > Libyan government (freezing personal assets of Gaddafi for example) to 
> > > > immediately stop the butchering of innocent civilians when 10 per cent 
> > > > of Europe's oil originates in Libya?
> > > > 
> > > >   America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the 
> > > > equation works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = 
> > > > Negative. 
> > > > 
> > > >   In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, 
> > > > in Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being 
> > > > gunned down in a police station. People I've spoken to on the phone 
> > > > have since gone missing, picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - 
> > > > only God knows. 
> > > > 
> > > >   Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of 
> > > > Libyans - on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?
> > > > 
> > > >   Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress 
> > > > his people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream 
> > > > of living in

[proletar] 2011, Menakertrans Targetkan 2,47 Juta Orang Dapat Pekerjaan Baru

Refleksi : Baru ditargetkan,  belum menjadi kenyataan, jadi sabarlah karena 
mungkin seperti biasa banyak bicara sedikit kerja.

http://us.detiknews.com/read/2011/02/22/020248/1575626/10/2011-menakertrans-targetkan-247-juta-orang-dapat-pekerjaan-baru?9911022

Selasa, 22/02/2011 02:02 WIB
2011, Menakertrans Targetkan 2,47 Juta Orang Dapat Pekerjaan Baru  
Andi Saputra - detikNews


  


Jakarta - Kementerian Tenaga Kerja dan Transmigrasi (Kemenakertrans) 
menargetkan penempatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri pada 2011 sebanyak 2,47 juta 
orang. Menakertrans Muhaimin Iskandar optimis target tersebut akan terpenuhi 
asal momentum pertumbuhan ekonomi sebesar 6,1 persen bisa tetap terjaga bahkan 
diharapkan terus naik secara positif.

"Proyeksi penempatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri itu optimis tercapai, dengan 
catatan jika momentum pertumbuhan ekonomi bisa tetap dipertahankan," kata 
Menakertrans Muhaimin Iskandar dalam Keterangan Pers yang diterima detikcom di 
Jakarta, Selasa (22/2/2011).

Cak Imin menjelaskan, dalam menentukan target ini telah melakukan kajian 
mendalam Perencanaan Tenaga Kerja Nasional tahun 2011-2012 " Terdapat lima 
sektor prioritas perencanaan penempatan pekerja pada 2011 yang meliputi sektor 
pertanian, industri, konstruksi, perdagangan dan jasa, " ujar Muhaimin

Dikatakan Muhaimin, penambahan tenaga kerja di sektor usaha perdagangan dan 
industri mendapatkan prioritas tertinggi dengan dengan jumlah prediksi 
kebutuhan pekerja sekitar 692.000 orang dan 573.000 orang.

"Kedua sektor tersebut merupakan bagian dari lima sektor usaha yang menjadi 
prioritas penempatan tenaga kerja nasional, karena diprediksi banyak 
membutuhkan tenaga kerja selama tahun ini," tegas Ketum PKB ini.

Ketiga sektor usaha lainnya, tambah Muhaimin adalah sektor jasa dengan prediksi 
kebutuhan tenaga kerja hingga 460.000 orang, sektor pertanian sekitar 186.000 
orang dan sektor konstruksi 177.000 orang.

"Selain fokus pada 5 sektor prioritas, Pemerintah pun berusaha agar 
sektor-sektor kerja lainnya tetap mampu menyerap tenaga kerja untuk menjamin 
tercapai target penempatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri tahun 2011 tersebut," 
jelas Cak Imin.


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Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?

Otak babi.

otak binatnag..

Orang Nasrani sudah lama menyikapi kitab suci mereka dengan kritis..

"ndeboost" iru cuman buang-buang, waktu doang.
 

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun"  wrote:
>
> Yub maksudnya Pak nDe BOOST itu ben Christian tidak menolak argumen yg pakai 
> dalil2 Bijbel.Kalau pakai Quran yo mana mau si Christian wong bukan 
> kitabnya.Kita kalau bicara dg wong Papua yo pakailah bahasa Papua jangan 
> pakai Jowo.
> 
> Shalom,
> Tawangalun.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub yahya  wrote:
> >
> > well, bagus 2 orang muslim ngajinya pakai bible..
> > memang, pada dasarnya al-quran terlalu monolog,
> > quran hanya berisi 'perintah/kwajiban dan larangan'
> > 
> > Disinilah kesalahan al-Quran.. ummatnya tidak diberi
> > Â kesempatan mikir
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 2/20/11, ndeboost  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Muhammad saw kah? (4) Didoain sepanjang waktu sepanjang hari
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Mengapa hingga kini (ber-abad2 lamanya), setiap hari seluruh umat
> > 
> > Islam harus mendoakan "keselamatan" seorang "Ia".
> > 
> > Siapakah gerangan "Ia" ini?
> > 
> > Kalik inilah penggenapan Nubuat Mazmur 72.."Ia" yang akan
> > 
> > (sedang dan telah) mendapatkan doa sholawat dan doa berkat..SEPANJANG
> > 
> > HARI!! Mazmur 72:13-15 (13) ia akan sayang kepada orang lemah dan orang
> > 
> > miskin, ia akan menyelamatkan nyawa orang miskin. (14) Ia akan menebus
> > 
> > nyawa mereka dari penindasan dan kekerasan, darah mereka mahal di
> > 
> > matanya. (15) Hiduplah ia! Kiranya dipersembahkan kepadanya emas Syeba!
> > 
> > KIRANYA IA DIDOAKAN SENANTIASA, DAN DIBERKATI SEPANJANG HARI!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sepanjang waktu, setiap hari mulai Subuh hingga Isa, tengah malam,
> > 
> > maupun ditengah sengatan matahari ga henti-hentinya diseluruh muka bumi,
> > 
> > ada satu orang (Bukan Tuhan!! Tuhan bukan didoain namun tempat meminta)
> > 
> > yang didoakan ummatnya seantero jagad!
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > Yap, Pak. Karena yang berucap Yesus a.s sendiri, jadi
> > 
> > > keknya mentog di Muhammad saw, yg ayat-ayatnya
> > 
> > > dibuka dengan nama Allah.
> > 
> > > Namun demikian kita tunggu komen dari kawan-kawan
> > 
> > > para Pauline Crosstian.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > Kalau nurut saya yg dimaksud "Dia" itu Nabi saya sebab semua
> > 
> > surahnya
> > 
> > > diawali :In the name of Allah atau Atas Nama Allah.Sedangkan Kitab2 yg
> > 
> > > lain gak ada pembukaan seperti itu.
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > Shalom,
> > 
> > > > Tawangalun.
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote:
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > Mat 23:39 Dan Aku berkata kepadamu: Mulai sekarang kamu tidak akan
> > 
> > > > > melihat aku lagi, hingga kamu berkata: Diberkatilah DIA yang
> > 
> > datang
> > 
> > > > > dalam nama Tuhan!"
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






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Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?

Yub maksudnya Pak nDe BOOST itu ben Christian tidak menolak argumen yg pakai 
dalil2 Bijbel.Kalau pakai Quran yo mana mau si Christian wong bukan 
kitabnya.Kita kalau bicara dg wong Papua yo pakailah bahasa Papua jangan pakai 
Jowo.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ayub yahya  wrote:
>
> well, bagus 2 orang muslim ngajinya pakai bible..
> memang, pada dasarnya al-quran terlalu monolog,
> quran hanya berisi 'perintah/kwajiban dan larangan'
> 
> Disinilah kesalahan al-Quran.. ummatnya tidak diberi
> Â kesempatan mikir
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/20/11, ndeboost  wrote:
> 
> 
> Muhammad saw kah? (4) Didoain sepanjang waktu sepanjang hari
> 
> 
> 
> "Mengapa hingga kini (ber-abad2 lamanya), setiap hari seluruh umat
> 
> Islam harus mendoakan "keselamatan" seorang "Ia".
> 
> Siapakah gerangan "Ia" ini?
> 
> Kalik inilah penggenapan Nubuat Mazmur 72.."Ia" yang akan
> 
> (sedang dan telah) mendapatkan doa sholawat dan doa berkat..SEPANJANG
> 
> HARI!! Mazmur 72:13-15 (13) ia akan sayang kepada orang lemah dan orang
> 
> miskin, ia akan menyelamatkan nyawa orang miskin. (14) Ia akan menebus
> 
> nyawa mereka dari penindasan dan kekerasan, darah mereka mahal di
> 
> matanya. (15) Hiduplah ia! Kiranya dipersembahkan kepadanya emas Syeba!
> 
> KIRANYA IA DIDOAKAN SENANTIASA, DAN DIBERKATI SEPANJANG HARI!
> 
> 
> 
> Sepanjang waktu, setiap hari mulai Subuh hingga Isa, tengah malam,
> 
> maupun ditengah sengatan matahari ga henti-hentinya diseluruh muka bumi,
> 
> ada satu orang (Bukan Tuhan!! Tuhan bukan didoain namun tempat meminta)
> 
> yang didoakan ummatnya seantero jagad!
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Yap, Pak. Karena yang berucap Yesus a.s sendiri, jadi
> 
> > keknya mentog di Muhammad saw, yg ayat-ayatnya
> 
> > dibuka dengan nama Allah.
> 
> > Namun demikian kita tunggu komen dari kawan-kawan
> 
> > para Pauline Crosstian.
> 
> >
> 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" tawangalun@ wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Kalau nurut saya yg dimaksud "Dia" itu Nabi saya sebab semua
> 
> surahnya
> 
> > diawali :In the name of Allah atau Atas Nama Allah.Sedangkan Kitab2 yg
> 
> > lain gak ada pembukaan seperti itu.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Shalom,
> 
> > > Tawangalun.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote:
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Mat 23:39 Dan Aku berkata kepadamu: Mulai sekarang kamu tidak akan
> 
> > > > melihat aku lagi, hingga kamu berkata: Diberkatilah DIA yang
> 
> datang
> 
> > > > dalam nama Tuhan!"
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> > > >
> 
> > >
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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>






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[proletar] Re: YAPI Dinilai Sering Mendakwahkan Syi'ah di Masyarakat



Islam ato Muhammedanisme tdk punya perspektif historis dlm hal mengerti agama, 
perspektif mereka wahyu.

Pemahaman soal wahyu yg berbeda jadi varian mazhab, sampe demikian njlimet 
hingga muncul sekte2. 

Di Pakistan bahkan pernah ada penelitian ttg klasifikasi ttg Muslim & Kafir, 
jauh sebelum Ahmadiyah dikafirkan di Pakistan.

Muhammedanisme tidak satu, gagasan Muhammedanisme cuman satu itu hanya jargon2 
para Muhammedan. 

Kalo baca teks klasik, fiqh2, ga ada yg namanya Muhammedan itu cuman satu, 
apalagi dlm pengertian Muhammedan punya Paus seperti dlm Gereja Katolik. Karena 
Muhammad dibunuh oleh para pengikutnya sendiri, bahkan istri2 nya.

Tetapi teks pembunuhan Muhammad memang tidak sepopuler jargon lain yg 
dibesar-besarkan para Muhammedan, karena mereka malu dgn kematian nabi mereka.

Syi'ah justru tegas dgn kematian Muhammad karena ulah 4 sahabat, sementara 
Sunni menutup-nutupi peristiwa itu. 



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Richan S  wrote:
>
> jadi aliran islam yang mencerminkan islam itu yang mana? apakah semuanya 
> atau ..
> saya amati umumnya saling mempersalahkan sekte diluarnya tanpa ada yang 
> membenarkan.
> 
> kekuatan militer, pedang dan kekerasan tidak akan mampu menentukan mana 
> yang benar tetapi bisa menentukan siapa yang salah.
> apakah fenomena ini harus dibiarkan saja karena memang sudah begitu 
> hingga kiamat, sudah harga mati "tidak ada yang bisa merubah dan 
> memperbaikinya lagi.
> 
> kalo sang nabi hidup zaman ini, berdiri di aliran manakah beliau?
> 
> rs
> 
> On 2/19/2011 1:56 AM, sikebenaran wrote:
> >
> >
> > Menurut Syi'ah, Sunni adalah pembunuh nabi.
> >
> > Teks Syi'ah menganjurkan u/ membunuhi Sunni & Sunni lebih buruk dr 
> > Yahudi - Kristen.
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com , 
> > "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Gereja orang Nasrani dibakarin dan orang Nasrani dibunuhin.
> > >
> > > Ahmadiyah dibunuhin..
> > >
> > > Sekarang syiah mulai digerecokin..
> > >
> > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah laknat buat umma 
> > manusia, artinya juga buat orang Islam sendiri.
> > >
> > > Kamis, 17 Februari 2011
> > >
> > > Hidayatulalah.com--Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) memberi bocoran 
> > dari hasil investigasi yang dilakukan atas kasus kekerasan di 
> > Al-Ma'Hadul Islami (YAPI), Pasuruan. Menurut Ketua MUI Jawa Timur, KH. 
> > Abdussomad Bukhori, konflik seperti itu memang telah terjadi sejak lama.
> > >
> > > "Sejak YAPI baru berdiri dan masih kecil, sebenarnya konflik telah 
> > terjadi, meski masih tahap kecil," ujarnya kepada hidayatullah.com 
> > Kamis, (17/2).
> > >
> > > Menurut Abdussomad, lambat laun, masalah itu semakin besar, dan 
> > terjadi seperti kasus kemarin.
> > >
> > > Konflik itu, kata Abdussomad, disebabkan karena YAPI kerap 
> > menyebarkan paham syi'ah kepada masyarakat.
> > >
> > > "Mereka (YAPI) sering berdakwah paham Syi'ah kepada masyarakat. 
> > Dalam dakwahnya, mereka tidak mengakui keberadaan para sahabat Nabi, 
> > seperti Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman," paparnya.
> > >
> > > Tidak hanya itu, jelas Abdussomad, mereka juga kerap meyebarkan 
> > brosur tentang Syi'ah.
> > >
> > > "Mungkin itu yang menyebabkan umat Islam di sana marah, apalagi di 
> > sana mayoritas sunni," ujarnya. Sekarang saja, di Pasuruan, tambahnya, 
> > praktik nikah mut'ah mulai marak terjadi.
> > >
> > > Abdussomad tidak sedang mengarang cerita. Informasi penting itu ia 
> > dapatkan dari salah satu Ketua Kelompok Ahlussunah wal Jama'ah 
> > (Aswaja). Kendati demikian, dalam kejadian kemarin, kata Abdussomad, 
> > bukan atas instruksi Aswaja, melainkan aksi spontanitas massa biasa.
> > >
> > > "Itu bermula karena saling ejek, kemudian berbuntut hingga aksi 
> > pelemparan," paparnya.
> > >
> > > Agar kejadian serupa tidak terjadi, Abdussomad meminta pihak YAPI 
> > menghentikan dakwah Syi'ahnya.
> > >
> > > "Mestinya dilarang. Tidak boleh menyebarkan ajaran seperti itu," 
> > jelasnya.
> > >
> > > Apalagi, tambahnya, Pasuruan dan Bangil basis Sunni.
> > >
> > > "Di sana mayoritas sunni. Kalau ada ajaran Syi'ah disebarkan, 
> > otomatis akan ditolak," ungkapnya. *
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Memang kemunculan Imam Mahdi itu nanti didahului terbunuhnya Rojo Saudy,tunggu 
aja tgl mainnya.La nek Dajjal itu lahir dari keturunan Wahaby,yang model2 FPI 
dan Bangasyir itu koncone Wahaby.La sing apik itu Salafy,meskipun sama2 
berjenggot dan celana jegrang ning satunya menentang SBY satunya tunduk dg SBY.

Shalom,
Tawangalun.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di Saudi :)
> 
> Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti 
> beginian :)
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> >
> > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > didongkel...
> > 
> > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage mereka 
> > > di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah meninggalkan 
> > > Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah berita ini.
> > > 
> > >   - Original Message - 
> > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad 
> > > Dog' of Libya?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > 
> > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > 
> > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed 
> > > foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false 
> > > the notion that the American administration and other Western governments 
> > > ever cared about human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this 
> > > will be done through the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of 
> > > innocent Libyans.
> > > 
> > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple 
> > > the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer 
> > > dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try 
> > > and suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> > > 
> > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases 
> > > two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so 
> > > crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . 
> > > But the region has now been revived by its youth who have shown in 
> > > Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, that they would 
> > > rather die standing than live on their knees. 
> > > 
> > >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of 
> > > freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not 
> > > continue to do business with dictators and still say they are "friends of 
> > > the people".
> > > 
> > >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies 
> > > and expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as 
> > > the "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of 
> > > relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government 
> > > (freezing personal assets of Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the 
> > > butchering of innocent civilians when 10 per cent of Europe's oil 
> > > originates in Libya?
> > > 
> > >   America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the 
> > > equation works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 
> > > 
> > >   In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in 
> > > Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned 
> > > down in a police station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since 
> > > gone missing, picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God 
> > > knows. 
> > > 
> > >   Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of 
> > > Libyans - on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?
> > > 
> > >   Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his 
> > > people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of 
> > > living in a democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of 
> > > "the free world", they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, 
> > > London and Rome, all of whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.
> > > 
> > >   It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer 
> > > live in a world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those 
> > > working in the State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle 
> > > East is no longer their playground, the Arab people will no longer be 
> > > subjected to the dictatorial rule of puppet despots propped up by greedy, 
> > > racist and corrupt regimes. 
> > > 
> > >   2011 is proving to be a turning point, a

[proletar] Is the Food Crisis Real?

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3002&Itemid=226

Is the Food Crisis Real?

Written by John Berthelsen
Monday, 21 February 2011 O
r is it another bout of government panic and market manipulation? 

See related stories: 
The Challenges China Faces, 23December 2010
The Wellsprings of the 2007-2008 Food Crisis, 19 November 2010
Wheat Prices No Reason for Panic, 15 September 2010 
Is Another Food Crisis Coming? Aug. 12 2010

What is going on with global food prices? Last week the World Bank, in its Food 
Price Watch, warned that they have hit dangerous levels that could contribute 
to "macro vulnerabilities" including political instability. 

Some 44 million people in the developing world, where typically half of family 
budgets go into food purchases, have been pushed into extreme poverty, 
according to the World Bank's report. As governments raise interest rates in 
the effort to keep food price inflation in check, they face the problem of 
choking off economic growth in the wider economy at a time when the world and 
the region are still recovering from the 2008-2009 global financial crisis.

But how much of this is real and how much is panic and market manipulation? Two 
weeks ago, for instance, Indonesia announced it would increase its stockpiles 
to 2 million tonnes, with Hatta Rajasa, the Coordinating Minister for the 
Economy, telling reporters that because the rest of the world is increasing its 
stocks, Indonesia must as well. That calls up images of 2007, when 
rice-exporting governments locked up their warehouses to the outside world and 
drove rice prices from US$300 per tonne to US$1,100 in six months before prices 
collapsed back to about US$550 per tonne when the world came to the realization 
that there was no rice crisis at all.

There are signs that it might be happening again. Wheat prices are up 74 
percent over the last year, corn up 92 percent. 

At the G20 meeting of finance ministers and central bankers on Feb. 18 and 19, 
the participants "discussed concerns about consequences of potential excessive 
commodity price volatility and asked our deputies to work with international 
organizations and to report back to us on the underlying drivers and the 
challenges posed by these trends for both consumers and producers and consider 
possible actions," according to the official communiqué issued by the body at 
the close of the session.

Whether that is enough to keep governments in line is a good question. But it 
appears that surveys by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United 
Nations and other organizations, there is enough food around. In many countries 
in Africa, the World Bank pointed out in its food price watch, maize, sorghum, 
millet and cassava have all enjoyed good harvests, allowing domestic 
substitution away from imported wheat and rice in some of the most vulnerable 
countries. Global corn yields are up 5.1 percent over the last year

The weather has taken much of the blame for the psychological effect, with 
television showing pictures of floods in Australia and Pakistan, fires in 
Russia and drought in China and other problems. Floods and wet weather have 
driven the price of red chilies in Indonesia to US$15 per kilogram from 
US$2.2/kg, a jump of 600 percent, causing problems for politicians amid citizen 
outrage. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono urged citizens to grow their own in 
their gardens. But in fact, while the images are spectacular and some of the 
blame has to go to extremes caused by climate change, the weather hasn't had 
that much effect on various crops. 

The current La Nina, the flip side of the El Nino coin which causes wet weather 
in ENSO, as the El Nino Southern Oscillation is known, is almost exactly in the 
middle range of the last 13 versions of the weather phenomenon, with six with 
lower temperature peaks and six with higher ones. It only became a 
fully-fledged La Nina in December. It is believed to have turned mild in 
January and is expected to end in May or June, according to the Australian 
Bureau of Meteorology. However, it is undeniable that Indonesia's palm oil 
production has been hit by bad weather.

The world wheat crop, which has drawn the biggest concern because of the 
Russian, Australian and Pakistani weather situations, actually hasn't been hurt 
that badly, according to data supplied by a Shanghai-based research firm that 
specializes in commodities. Australia's crop is expected to come in at 24.4 
million tonnes, with 10 million tonnes downgraded to feed quality. Argentina's 
crop is expected to exceed forecasts. While Kazakhstan's crop has been affected 
by drought, exports could still exceed predictions because the country has 3.5 
million tonnes in storage. China's crop has undoubtedly suffered from drought 
in key wheat-producing states as Pakistan's has suffered from floods. 

Rice provides an interesting economic window to the problem. Very little rice 
is traded on

[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Hingga malam ini nggak banyak tuh orang Islam disini yang buka bacot tentang 
kejadian di Timur Tengah atau Afrika Utara..

Rata-rata pada melongo kayak babi.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sikebenaran"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di Saudi :)
> 
> Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti 
> beginian :)
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> >
> > Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang 
> > didongkel...
> > 
> > Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage mereka 
> > > di Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah meninggalkan 
> > > Libiya menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah berita ini.
> > > 
> > >   - Original Message - 
> > >   From: Jusfiq 
> > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> > >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad 
> > > Dog' of Libya?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> > >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > > 
> > >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > > 
> > >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed 
> > > foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false 
> > > the notion that the American administration and other Western governments 
> > > ever cared about human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this 
> > > will be done through the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of 
> > > innocent Libyans.
> > > 
> > >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple 
> > > the Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer 
> > > dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try 
> > > and suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> > > 
> > >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases 
> > > two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so 
> > > crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . 
> > > But the region has now been revived by its youth who have shown in 
> > > Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, that they would 
> > > rather die standing than live on their knees. 
> > > 
> > >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of 
> > > freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not 
> > > continue to do business with dictators and still say they are "friends of 
> > > the people".
> > > 
> > >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies 
> > > and expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as 
> > > the "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of 
> > > relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government 
> > > (freezing personal assets of Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the 
> > > butchering of innocent civilians when 10 per cent of Europe's oil 
> > > originates in Libya?
> > > 
> > >   America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the 
> > > equation works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 
> > > 
> > >   In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in 
> > > Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned 
> > > down in a police station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since 
> > > gone missing, picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God 
> > > knows. 
> > > 
> > >   Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of 
> > > Libyans - on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?
> > > 
> > >   Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his 
> > > people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of 
> > > living in a democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of 
> > > "the free world", they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, 
> > > London and Rome, all of whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.
> > > 
> > >   It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer 
> > > live in a world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those 
> > > working in the State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle 
> > > East is no longer their playground, the Arab people will no longer be 
> > > subjected to the dictatorial rule of puppet despots propped up by greedy, 
> > > racist and corrupt regimes. 
> > > 
> > >   2011 is proving to be a turning point, a new beginning for the free 
> > > people of this region, from what I hear, see and know about the Arab 
> > > people, they want nothing more than to embark on this new begi

[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?



Saudi lagian Islamnya Wahabi. Wahabi itu perusak situs2 Muhammad di Saudi :)

Bukan Islam NU ato Muhammadiyah, tp Muhammedan di proletar mana ngerti beginian 
:)


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang didongkel...
> 
> Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> >
> > Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage mereka di 
> > Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah meninggalkan Libiya 
> > menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah berita ini.
> > 
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: Jusfiq 
> >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> >   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad 
> > Dog' of Libya?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
> >   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> > 
> >   on February 21st, 2011.
> > 
> >   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed 
> > foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false 
> > the notion that the American administration and other Western governments 
> > ever cared about human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this 
> > will be done through the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of 
> > innocent Libyans.
> > 
> >   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple the 
> > Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer 
> > dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try and 
> > suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> > 
> >   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, 
> > treacherous despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases 
> > two, Arabs lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so 
> > crippling it deemed them useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . 
> > But the region has now been revived by its youth who have shown in Tunisia, 
> > Egypt and now Libya that they know no fear, that they would rather die 
> > standing than live on their knees. 
> > 
> >   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of 
> > freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not continue 
> > to do business with dictators and still say they are "friends of the 
> > people".
> > 
> >   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies 
> > and expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as 
> > the "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of 
> > relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government 
> > (freezing personal assets of Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the 
> > butchering of innocent civilians when 10 per cent of Europe's oil 
> > originates in Libya?
> > 
> >   America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the 
> > equation works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 
> > 
> >   In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in 
> > Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned down 
> > in a police station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since gone 
> > missing, picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God knows. 
> > 
> >   Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of 
> > Libyans - on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?
> > 
> >   Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his 
> > people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of 
> > living in a democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of "the 
> > free world", they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, London 
> > and Rome, all of whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.
> > 
> >   It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer live 
> > in a world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those working 
> > in the State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle East is no 
> > longer their playground, the Arab people will no longer be subjected to the 
> > dictatorial rule of puppet despots propped up by greedy, racist and corrupt 
> > regimes. 
> > 
> >   2011 is proving to be a turning point, a new beginning for the free 
> > people of this region, from what I hear, see and know about the Arab 
> > people, they want nothing more than to embark on this new beginning with 
> > their fellow free humans in the West; its a shame that Western governments 
> > seem to be as opposed to freedom and democracy as the despots who have 
> > ruled the Arab world for decades. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
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> >
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[proletar] Kadhafi bin Carlos

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik kim

Dari tampang, jeger Lybia, Kadhafi itu mirip-mirip gitaris
Carlos Santana. Cuma, kalo Carlos ditimpukin telor busuk
masih bisa nerima, beda dengan Kadhafi ketika di demo:

Tak kepalang tanggung, pesawat jet MIG 21 dan helikopter
brebetin para demo dijalan raya. 

Ini sih beneran edhan serebu edhan seh !

Gak kepalang tanggung jek, kalo eluh pada turun nge-demo
gua, ya gua suruh angkatan udara buat ngebom dan ngeban-
te pendemo.

Gile !







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[proletar] Indonesia in Top 10 For Web Pornography Downloads

Reflection : Agaknya dengan di-downloading pron film ini akan menjadi bahan
edukasi bagi kebanyakan orang dan isnyaallah akan mempertinggi pengetahuan dan
kwalitas teknik surga dunia yang selama ini ditunggu-tunggu dengan penuh dahaga
untuk dipraktekan. hehehehehe

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indonesia-in-top-10-for-web-pornography-downloads/423969

Indonesia in Top 10 For Web Pornography Downloads
Ismira Lutfia | February 21, 2011

Although Internet filtering of smutty Web sites is high on its agenda, the
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology conceded that Indonesians
remained among the world's top 10 visitors of porn sites.

Ministry spokesman Gatot Dewa Broto told the Jakarta Globe on Sunday that the
grim reality was based on the ministry's data compilation and monitoring of
various sources on the Internet as of mid-2010.

He added that developing countries made up the majority of the top 10 nations
clocking the most visits to pornographic Web sites, although he named none of
the others.

"Although we have a great deal of difficulty in blocking porn sites, that will
not deter us from continuing in our efforts," Gatot said.

He said there were some 400 million pages of porn available on the Internet on
a daily basis, showing the magnitude of the problems faced by the ministry.

The quest to block access to Web sites carrying pornographic content began last
year when Tifatul Sembiring, the minister for communications, announced on the
eve of Ramadan that some 80 percent of "offensive sites" were no longer
accessible to Indonesian users.

A month later, the ministry conceded that loopholes remained and questioned the
commitment of Internet service providers.
Five months later, the ministry said the ISPs were still expected to fully
comply with their obligation to block porn sites and that it was drafting a
series of measurable key indicators to assess their compliance.

The indicators, Gatot said, would be used to gauge the providers' efforts to
block porn sites. Poor performance would lead to a written reprimand, and three
warnings would result in the revocation of the provider's license.

"We used a persuasive approach from August to January, and we fully understand
that there may still be loopholes despite their efforts, but we are going to
apply stricter measures so that they intensify their filtering," he said.

Muhammad Jumadi, a spokesman for the Indonesian Telecommunication Users Group,
agreed that strict law enforcement was needed to ensure the compliance of ISPs.

Acep Syarifuddin, a researcher at ICT Watch, a media study group that campaigns
for healthy use of the Internet, preferred educating Internet users rather than
blocking content.

"No matter how sophisticated a filtering technology is, it will not last for
long. We prefer to focus on educating the younger generation to make them
understand what they may or may not access on the Internet," he said.

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[proletar] Re: Emha: Saya Anti Demokrasi


Emha pasti belum pernah ke Arab, dipikirnya orang Arab itu Islam semua :)

Dipikirnya Arab itu Muhammedan & keturunan unta semua.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg"  wrote:
>
> 
> Itulah kebodohan Barat. Mereka lebih suka dibilang 'bodoh' 
> daripada 'curang'. Bagi mereka 'bodoh' mengandung ketidaktahuan, 
> sehingga akibat yang timbul dari kebodohan wajib dimaafkan. 
> 
> Padahal, kebodohan yang mereka lakukan adalah membenturkan 
> peradaban dengan kepercayaan. Atau dalam idiom mereka sendiri, 
> ibarat membandingkan apel dengan durian. Terutama setelah 
> Huntington menarik simpul teori "clash of civilizations" yang 
> belakangan malah dikerucutkan tinggal menjadi Barat vs Islam. 
> Kebodohan ini jelas mendiskreditkan Islam. 
> 
> Orang boleh ragu jika ini karena kebodohan semata. Sebab, 
> mustahil mereka tidak tahu bahwa hasilnya akan sama kalau ia 
> berbunyi "Kristen vs Timur" atau "Kristen vs Selatan". Umat 
> Kristen akan tampak konyol di mata dunia. 
> 
> Untuk menghindari babak belur yang konyol itulah Barat lebih 
> suka berkata & berlagak bodoh. Dan mereka berhasil. 
> 
> Lucunya, dalam melawan kebodohan Barat itu Emha menempuh jalan 
> yang sama. Menulis dengan blagak bodo. Bodo-bodoan. 
> 
> Emha tau yang dia maksud adalah dia anti terhadap demokrasi ala 
> Barat yang mengandalkan kroyokan itu. Demokrasi mengandalkan massa, 
> adu banyak pengikut, yang dibuktikan melalui voting. 
> 
> Tapi dia kelewat emosional sehingga lupa (atau memang pilon 
> kalau dirinya sering dijadikan idola oleh sebagian remaja), bahwa 
> bukan mustahil sebagian belia menangkap tulisannya ini sebagai 
> arahan, kalau tidak bisa dibilang "instruksi", perintah untuk 
> mengharamkan demokrasi secara menyeluruh. 
> 
> Padahal, dia juga tau bahwa demokrasi itu tidak tunggal. Tau 
> bahwa musyawarah adalah juga bentuk demokrasi yang hidup di 
> belahan bumi timur & selatan - wilayah yang dalam sejarah dikenal 
> sebagai sumber peradaban. 
> 
> Oleh karena itu, mestinya dia juga tau bahwa hal mendasar dari 
> per-adab-an adalah berlakunya kebenaran oleh akal sehat, dan bukan 
> berjalannya kebenaran hanya lantaran pengikutnya banyak, apalagi 
> sekedar ikut-ikutan atau malah digiring. 
> 
> Bagaimana pun, tulisan Emha ini cukup menghibur. Emosional lagi 
> lucu, karena justru ikut menghalangi cahaya & menggelapkan makna 
> demokrasi itu sendiri. Sarat dengan sadomasochism budaya. 
> Padahal, kalau nggak salah, dia termasuk yang keras menolak Yogya 
> disebut antidemokrasi. 
> 
> 
> --- 
> 
> > SAYA ANTI DEMOKRASI
> > oleh : Emha Ainun Nadjib
> > 
> > Kalau ada bentrok antara Ustadz dengan Pastur, pihak Depag, Polsek, 
> > dan Danramil harus menyalahkan Ustadz, sebab kalau tidak itu namanya
> > diktator mayoritas.
> > 
> > Mentang-mentang Ummat Islam mayoritas, asalkan yang mayoritas bukan 
> > yang selain Islam - harus mengalah dan wajib kalah. Kalau mayoritas 
> > kalah, itu memang sudah seharusnya, asalkan mayoritasnya Islam dan 
> > minoritasnya Kristen. Tapi kalau mayoritasnya Kristen dan 
> > minoritasnya Islam, Islam yang harus kalah. Baru wajar namanya.
> > 
> > Kalau Khadhafi kurang ajar, yang salah adalah Islam. Kalau Palestina
> > banyak teroris, yang salah adalah Islam. Kalau Saddam Hussein 
> > nranyak, yang salah adalah Islam. Tapi kalau Belanda menjajah 
> > Indonesia 350 tahun, yang salah bukan Kristen. Kalau amerika 
> > Serikat jumawa dan adigang adigung adiguna kepada rakyat Irak, yang 
> > salah bukan Kristen. Bahkan sesudah ribuan bom dihujankan di 
> > seantero Bagdad, Amerika Serikatlah pemegang sertifikat kebenaran, 
> > sementara yang salah pasti adalah Islam.
> >
> > "Agama" yang paling benar adalah demokrasi. Anti demokrasi sama 
> > dengan setan dan iblis. Cara mengukur siapa dan bagaiman yang pro 
> > dan yang kontra demokrasi, ditentukan pasti bukan oleh orang Islam. 
> > Golongan Islam mendapat jatah menjadi pihak yang diplonco dan dites 
> > terus menerus oleh subyektivisme kaum non-Islam.
> >
> > Kaum Muslimin diwajibkan menjadi penganut demokrasi agar diakui oleh
> > peradaban dunia. Dan untuk mempelajari demokrasi, mereka dilarang 
> > membaca kelakuan kecurangan informasi jaringan media massaBarat 
> > atas kesunyatan Islam.
> >
> > Orang-orang non-Muslim, terutama kaum Kristiani dunia, mendapatkan
> > previlese dari Tuhan untuk mempelajari Islam tidak dengan membaca 
> > Al-Quran dan menghayati Sunnah Rasulullah Muhammad SAW, melainkan 
> > dengan menilai dari sudut pandang mereka.
> >
> > Maka kalau penghuni peradaban global dunia bersikap anti-Islam tanpa
> > melalui apresiasi terhadap Qur'an, saya juga akan siap menyatakan 
> > diri sebagai anti-demokrasi karena saya jembek dan muak terhadap 
> > kelakuan Amerika Serikat di berbagai belahan dunia. Dan dari sudut  
> > itulah demokrasi saya nilai, sebagaimana dari sudut yang semacam 
> > juga menilai Islam.
> > 
> > Di Yogya teman-teman musik Kiai Kanjeng membuat nomer-nomer musik, 
> > yang karena bersentuhan dengan syair-syai

[proletar] Re: At least two dead in Iraq mosque attack


allah itu ga di mana2, allah itu dikandangkan di kabah di mekah tempat orang 
nungging2.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
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> Refl. Di NKRI  aliran besar dan arus kerasnya hantam tubruk Ahmadiah. Di  
> Irak Suni dan Shia baku gasak, tidak kalah pula di Pakistan. Akibat baku 
> gasak ini darah mengalir dan tidak sedikit pula jiwa melayang.  Melihat 
> pertentangan-pertentangan berdarah yang berlangsung ini maka tentu akal sehat 
> akan bertanya kepada siapa Allah berpihak dalam konflik-konflik ini? 
> 
> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/20/iraq.mosque.attack/
> 
> At least two dead in Iraq mosque attack
> By the CNN Wire Staff 
> February 20, 2011 -- Updated 1937 GMT (0337 HKT)
> 
> CNN) -- At least two people died and six others were wounded Sunday when a 
> suicide bomber drove an explosive-laden vehicle into a Sunni mosque at the 
> conclusion of a birthday celebration for the Muslim prophet Mohammed, 
> according to local police.
> 
> Police told CNN that the attack happened as worshippers were leaving the Mara 
> al-Hayss mosque in Shirqat, a small town in the Nineveh provice about 300 
> kilometers (186 miles) north of Baghdad.
> 
> The attack bears the hallmarks of al Qaeda, Shirqat police Capt. Mohammed 
> al-Jabouri told CNN. Sunni extremists in general believe that any celebration 
> of Mohammed's birthday is heresy, he said.
> 
> Mohammed al-Hayes, the leader of the Al-Jabour tribe in Shirqat, also 
> believes that al Qaeda in Iraq was behind the attack.
> 
> Although violence in the region has dropped precipitously over the last two 
> years, sporadic attacks do still occur.
> 
> On Thursday, unidentified gunmen shot and killed a freelance journalist near 
> his home in Mosul. Hilal al-Ahmadi, 57, a freelance journalist for more than 
> 30 years, was gunned down as he headed to work, according to the Committee to 
> Protect Journalists.
> 
> 
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[proletar] Re: Republika: Terus Dipojokan, Pemerintah Ancam Boikot Media Massa



Pemerintah goblok ngaku pinter :)


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> 
> Jadi, ada ancaman terhadap media massa agar berhenti melakukan tugasnya: 
> menyampaikan berita.
> 
> Rezim ini mulai menjurus ke arah Orde Baru kembali...
> 
> --
>  
> 
> 
> Republika Online
> 
> 
> Terus Dipojokan, Pemerintah Ancam Boikot Media Massa
> Senin, 21 Februari 2011, 19:26 WIB
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> 
> REPUBLIKA.CO.ID,BOGOR- Pemerintah mengancam akan memboikot media yang terus 
> mendiskreditkan Pemerintah. Pasalnya, kini banyak media yang mengesankan 
> seolah-olah Indonesia merupakan negara yang tidak aman. Beberapa media juga 
> terus mendiskrditkan pemerintah.
> 
> Hal tersebut, disampaikan oleh Sekretaris Kabinet Dipo Alam. Karena perilaku 
> media-media tersebutlah, menurut dia, menjadi terbit kekhawatiran sendiri di 
> pemerintah bahwa hal itu akan berdampak pada larinya investasi. "Coba kita 
> lihat, ada media TV, media koran yang tidak ada habisnya menjelekkan 
> Pemerintah," kata Dipo usai rapat kerja pemerintah di Istana  Bogor, Senin 
> (21/2).
> 
> Dipo kemudian mencontohkan ada media yang terus memutar gambar kejadian 
> negatif yang terjadi, secara terus menerus. Gambarnya, menurut dia, terus 
> diulang-ulang. "Untuk memojokkan Pemerintah. Putar gambar ditusuk buat apa? 
> Itu malah membuat investor lari," paparnya.
> 
> Dipo mengaku, Pemerintah tidak alergi terhadap kritik. "Saya bukan alergi 
> kritik. Boleh dikritik, tapi kalau isinya akumulasi that is wrong 
> (kesalahan)," kata dia. Akhirnya Dipo kembali melempar ancaman, bahwa apabila 
> media tersebut sekarang setiap menit menjelekkan instansi Pemerintah, terus 
> menerus, maka ia bahkan menghimbau agar berhenti pasang iklan di media 
> tersebut.
> 
> Tidak hanya mengancam boikot iklan, Dipo juga mengancam Pemerintah akan 
> meminta pejabat tidak memasang orang untuk wawancara. "Orang yang diinterview 
> saat prime time (waktu tayang utama) tidak usah datang yang dari Pemerintah. 
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[proletar] Re: MI: Seskab Dipo Alam Akui Instruksi Boikot Media Massa Nasional



Jadi kerja Pemerintah itu pasang iklan :)

Pemerintah Indonesia itu mirip agen periklanan :)


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> "Toh yang punya uang itu pemerintah." katanya.
> 
> Omongan fascist.
> 
> Karena uang yang dimaksud itu itu adalah uang pajak penduduk Indonesia.
> 
> 
> Seskab Dipo Alam Akui Instruksi Boikot Media Massa Nasional
> Senin, 21 Februari 2011 19:31 WIB  106 Dibaca  |  0 Komentar
> 
> Seskab Dipo Alam/ANTARA
> JAKARTA--MICOM: Sekretaris Kabinet Dipo Alam mengakui telah menginstruksikan 
> seluruh Sekretaris Jenderal dan Humas Kementerian/Lembaga Negara untuk tidak 
> memasang iklan di salah satu harian dan televisi nasional. Dipo menegaskan, 
> boikot terhadap kedua media massa itu dilakukan karena tiap menit dan tiap 
> jam menayangkan berita yang isinya selalu mengkritik pemerintah.
> 
> Dipo menegaskan, dirinya akan terus memantau semua Kementerian/Lembaga Negara 
> agar instruksi itu dilaksanakan. Boikot itu baru dicabut asalkan kedua media 
> massa tadi mau memperbaiki diri. "Kalau intinya media ini terus mengkritik, 
> tidak ada menit, tidak ada jam, saya instruksikan memang. Buat apa pasang di 
> sana! Kalau memang kita mau kerja sama, mari yang obyektif," kata Dipo di 
> Istana Bogor, Jawa Barat, Senin (21/2).
> 
> "Tapi, ini coba liat. Ada media televisi, media koran yang tidak ada yang 
> isinya tidak menjelek-jelekkan pemerintah. Gambarnya berulang-ulang, yang 
> kebakaranlah, ditusuklah, segala macam. Buat apa ? Itu kan membuat investor 
> pada lari. Seolah-olah Indonesia ini kacau. Indonesia ini gelap. Itu yang 
> dikatakan Indonesia katanya menuju negara gagal," cetusnya.
> 
> Ia menegaskan, boikot ini sama sekali tidak melanggar kebebasan pers. Lagi 
> pula, pemerintah selaku pihak yang memiliki uang berhak memasang iklan di 
> media mana pun. Menurut Dipo, dirinya tidak gentar seandainya dipermasalahkan 
> ke Dewan Pers.
> 
> "Saya memberikan instruksi boikot itu kepada seluruh sekjen dan humas 
> Kementrian. Kita bukan alergi kritik. Boleh kritik, kita senang dikritik. 
> Tapi, isinya negatif dan akumulatif sehingga orang-orang menjadi mis lead, 
> that is wrong. Itu bukan mengkritik. Itu bukan kebebasan pers. Saya 
> mengatakan boikot saja. Yang tidak boikot, saya perhatikan," ujarnya dengan 
> nada tinggi.
> 
> "Tidak usah pasang iklan di situ. Toh yang punya uang itu pemerintah. Saya 
> juga mengatakan menginstruksikan kepada seluruh staf khusus Presiden agar 
> tidak usah menerima undangan interview dalam acara prime time. Itu hanya 
> untuk melaku-lakukan televisi tersebut. Kita mau bicara apa salah. Dijelaskan 
> salah. You masukkan saja (di berita). Tidak apa-apa," tegasnya. (Nav/OL-2)
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[proletar] Indonesian President Outlines `Illnesses` Behind Development Program's Failure

Refleksi : Sudah 6 tshun berkuasa baru sekarang bilang itu dan ini, "illness",
"inefficient buraucracy" etc. Cilaka! Jangan diharapkan bahwa rezim SBY & Co
akan berbuat kebajikan dan kebaikan demi perbaikan kehidupan masyarakat yang
sengaja dilupakan.

Hanya orang-orang pilon bin linlung yang percaya adanya sinar matahari
gemilang menyinari kehidupan lebih baik esok hari dibawah kekuasaan SBY.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indonesian-president-outlines-illnesses-behind-development-programs-failure/424065

Indonesian President Outlines `Illnesses` Behind Development Program's Failure
Camelia Pasandaran | February 22, 2011

Bogor. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono conceded on Monday that the country's
development program had failed at the national and regional levels, outlining
five reasons for the deficiency.

Speaking prior to a meeting at the Bogor Palace to draw up a master plan for
the acceleration and extension of the country's economic development, Yudhoyono
said that after evaluating his time in office, he found certain "illnesses" had
caused the development program to fail.

He singled out an inefficient bureaucracy, which he said was resistant to
implementing government decisions, with lower-level officials often disagreeing
and arguing with each other instead of carrying out their duties.

"Once it has been decided, there should not be any more discourse at the lower
levels," he said. "It causes us losses."

Administrations at the district and municipal level, he said, also bickered
over development plans prepared by governors, often for no justifiable reasons.

Yudhoyono has often complained about divisions and acrimony between the central
and regional governments.

Although his Democratic Party comfortably secured the most votes at the
national level in 2009, the majority of regional heads elected to office are
from the opposition Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) and the
loosely aligned Golkar Party.

Yudhoyono identified the third hindrance to development as investors who failed
to follow through on their commitments.

Fourth was national and regional regulations that he said hindered development
but were been resolved, while fifth was regular political interference.

"Politics should be the solution and should not translate into mere narrow
interests," the president said. "The ones that end up with nothing are the
people."

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[proletar] KPK Kapok Panggil Megawati?

Rfeleksi . Wong cilik  mesti datang apabila dipanggi KPK, kalau tidak datang 
diambil  paksa oleh polisi bersenjata lengkap, tetapi kalau wong licik 
dipanggil KPK polisi takut datang mengambilnya wong licik menjadi saksi ke KPK. 
 

http://lensaindonesia.com/view.php?ID=23481

Kasus Cek Perjalanan
KPK Kapok Panggil Megawati?
Hukum - 21 February 2011   

JAKARTA, LIcom: Gagal mendatangkan Megawati Soekarnoputri, Komisi Pemberantasan 
Korupsi (KPK) memutuskan tidak akan memanggil lagi untuk kedua kalinya.

Hal itu dikatakan Jurubicara KPK, Johan Budi SP, kepada wartawan di kantor KPK, 
Kuningan, Jakarta, (21/2). "Dalam tingkat penyidikan, KPK tidak akan panggil 
lagi Ibu Mega terkait TC (travellers cheque)," ujar Johan. 

Awalnya pemanggilan Ketua Umum PDI Perjuangan ini diharapkan dapat menjadi 
saksi yang meringankan dalam kasus travellers cheque atau cek perjalanan yang 
menimpa dua tersangka kader PDI Perjuangan, yakni Max Moein dan Poltak Sitorus

"Ini tergantung apakah yang bersangkutan (Megawati) bersedia atau tidak," 
tutupnya.

Seperti diketahui, pemanggilan KPK terhadap Megawati banyak menuai kritik, 
terutama dari PDIP. Bahkan Megawati juga tidak memenuhi panggilan tersebut 
karena tidak ada relasinya dengan kasus cek perjalanan. nov


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[proletar] 'The genie is out of the bottle'

Lihat videonya:

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/empire/2011/02/20112211027266463.html#

Assessing a changing Arab world with Noam Chomsky and Al Jazeera's Marwan 
Bishara. 

AMY GOODMAN: Before Marwan goes, we can't not talk about the Palestine Papers, 
because Al Jazeera has released them, and you're the senior political analyst 
for Al Jazeera. The Palestine Papers, the leaked documents obtained by Al 
Jazeera that show how Palestinian leaders offered sweeping concessions to 
Israel on a number of key issues but received little in return. The UN Special 
Coordinator for Middle East Peace, Robert Serry, has said the papers highlight 
the Israeli government's rejection of serious negotiations in its attempt to 
retain control over the West Bank.

ROBERT SERRY: What you have seen is, in my view, an earnest, genuine 
Palestinian attempt to actually show readiness for a two-state solution, and 
maybe we haven't seen that same readiness on the other side, given also the 
fact that all of what happened hasn't led to an agreement.

AMY GOODMAN: That's Robert Serry. Marwan Bishara, I want to have you explain 
the significance of this - it's hardly talked about in the United States; we 
all know about the WikiLeaks documents, but not the Palestine Papers - and 
again, get Professor Chomsky to respond.

MARWAN BISHARA: Well, look, it's very simple. There's been this notion for the 
last 20 years that, from Arafat onwards, that the Palestinians were not serious 
partners for peace, that the Palestinians were not forthcoming, that they're 
not willing to compromise, that they were set in their ways. What we found out 
from the Palestine Papers, 1,600 documents detailing session after sessions 
with the Americans, with the Israelis and so on and so forth, that the 
Palestinian delegation was not only making incredible compromises that I'm not 
sure that they will pass through the public opinion in Palestine, but they were 
making acrobatic attempts just to please their Israeli partners and their 
American partners. They were almost playing in the American role of trying to 
bridge between America and Israel and between Palestine and Israel themselves. 
And yet, they've been met with rejection after rejection after rejection, not 
only from the so-called hawkish bits of the Israeli politics, but actually from 
the so-called moderate parts of the Israeli policy or the Israeli delegation. 
So we would see sessions after session, for example, with then-Foreign Minister 
Livni, where the Palestinians are offering one possibility after another, and 
the Israelis coming back and saying something so condescending, such as, "Oh, 
this is very interesting, but I don't think this will work. Why don't you come 
up with something different?" And it just goes on and on for years.

Now, as Professor Chomsky was saying, the problem with much of that, Amy, is 
that there is information out there, but it does not come together in some 
understanding of some sort. So we know for 20 years the Palestinians have made 
historic compromises on the question of the territory, on the question of 
borders, even on the question of Jerusalem, a question of right of return of 
refugees, but they have always been met with rejection from the Israeli side 
and complicity from the American side.

AMY GOODMAN: And Al Jazeera's role here? And the significance, before you go, 
of Al Jazeera in this entire uprising? I mean, Saeb Erekat first was really 
fiercely going after Al Jazeera, and then, before you know it, he, the longtime 
Palestinian negotiator, had resigned. You, yourself, Marwan, are Palestinian.

MARWAN BISHARA: Well, you know, there was an article out a couple of days ago - 
I think it was in the Washington Post - by Robert Malley, who was a former aide 
at the Clinton administration. He said, "Well, today we showed, you know, that 
Al Jazeera is the Arab leader." And what does that really mean? What it means 
is that Al Jazeera is a transparent, open forum for Arabs to come and speak, 
and they have been for the last decade and a half, almost as long as you've 
been on air, Amy, except that they've given Arabs from various parts of the 
Arab world the capacity to come on air and speak. And I think the way we've 
covered places like Palestine - for example, we were the only ones, Amy, in 
Gaza during the Israeli bombardment and war and invasion of Gaza, last one in 
2008.

AMY GOODMAN: And that was Ayman - right? - who now is in Cairo, is the Cairo 
bureau chief.

MARWAN BISHARA: Yes, Ayman Mohyeldin, that's correct. And, of course, in Cairo, 
we've been there in a very substantial way. I think we had like eight roving 
reporters in Egypt alone when things broke out. So, we are there, we listen to 
the people, and we report the story as is. Of course, before, we've been 
accused, because we report those things that Noam spoke about, the sentiments 
of people - there is a pent-up tension in that area. The fact that Washington 
sees p

[proletar] Aljazeera: Breaking the sound barrier on Libya

Breaking the sound barrier on Libya

Through a combination of new technology and courage, Libyans make sure the 
world knows about their protests.

Yasmine Ryan Last Modified: 21 Feb 2011 18:05 GMT

Getting information out of Libya has been difficult, but human rights groups 
are doing their best to follow developments

Security forces may well have massacred protesters with characteristic 
brutality in Tripoli, the Libyan capital.

Libyan authorities went to extreme lengths to stop news of the killings from 
getting out. Helicopters rained bullets down on people in the streets below on 
Monday afternoon, while snipers were reportedly firing on them from building 
tops, human rights groups said.

Yet, with help from satellite phones and Twitter, the news made its way out of 
the country as killings were underway.

Ahmed Elgazir, a human rights researcher with the Libyan News Centre (LNC) in 
Geneva, told Al Jazeera that he had received a call for help from a woman 
witnessing the massacre in progress on a satellite phone.

The phone lines in to the country have been blocked, making it impossible to 
verify the information. Libyans on Twitter, however, sent desperate pleas for 
assistance.

The killings in Tripoli came the day after a televised speech by Saif Gaddafi, 
a son of the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, warning of civil war if protests 
continue."Libya is at a crossroads. If we do not agree today on reforms ... 
rivers of blood will run through Libya," he said.

Elgazir condemned Saif Gaddafi's speech a "ploy by the regime" to incite 
violence. The streets of Tripoli had been calm until the speech on Sunday 
night, the researcher said.

"We hold him responsible for all the deaths that have happened in Tripoli 
since," he said, adding that violence in cities including Benghazi, Baida and 
Zawia has only served to turn local security forces against the regime.

Al Jazeera was also suffering interference on the Arabsat satellite frequency, 
which Libyans were previously able to turn to as a main source of information 
on the protests. The news network traced the source of the jamming to a Libyan 
intelligence building south of the capital.

Heather Morayef, a Libya researcher for Human Rights Watch (HRW), agreed that 
the difficulty in communicating with people on the ground was making it hard to 
monitor the situation.

Based on information from local hospitals, HRW has estimated that security 
forces carried out at least 233 unlawful killings in the town of Benghazi. It 
has been difficult to estimate the number killings in Tripoli on Sunday night 
and Monday.

Despite recent killings, human rights groups are hopeful. "It has been 
fantastic, not just the fact that the world is finally interested in Libya, but 
also the courage of Libyans to actually take personal risks," Morayef said.

"In 1996, Gaddafi's regime killed 1,200 prisoners on one day because the world 
didn't know about it," she explained in a phone interview.

As recently as 2006, when security forces killed approximately 20 demonstrators 
outside the Italian embassy in Tripoli, the regime was able to keep the deaths 
under wraps.

Five years later, Gaddafi's government no longer enjoys the same impunity, 
rights groups said. New technology has empowered Libyans and they appear to 
have taken courage from successful uprisings in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt.

There has also been a new found willingness to speak to the media, despite the 
high risk of repercussion.

On Monday, for instance, the house of Jumaa al-Asti, a senior official with the 
general union of trade and industry, was surrounded by security forces.

Al-Asti appears to have drawn negative attention from security forces after he 
criticised Gaddafi's regime in an interview with Al Jazeera.

Bacre Ndiaye, director of the Human Rights Council at the Office of the High 
Commissioner for Human Rights, a United Nations organisation, told Al Jazeera 
that his office is facing difficulties accessing information about the 
situation on the ground in Libya.

"There is obstruction to international communication, the use of the internet," 
he said. "We've never had an office there, and we have very little source of 
independent information."

Ndiaye said the number of people killed is likely to be much higher than 
initial estimates.

Yet he noted that, despite the violence, Libyans have not backed down in their 
demands for fundamental political change.
 
"What we have seen all over [the region], is wall of fear has crumbled, people 
are no longer fearing to ask for their rights," Ndiaye said





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[proletar] Re: Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Dunia Arab dan Islam baru akan cepat berubah bila Raja Saudi yang didongkel...

Tapi kemungkinan itu kelihatan kecil.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
>
> Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage mereka di 
> Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah meninggalkan Libiya 
> menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah berita ini.
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jusfiq 
>   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
>   Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad 
> Dog' of Libya?
> 
> 
> 
>   What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
>   By Jamal Elshayyal in 
> 
>   on February 21st, 2011.
> 
>   2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed 
> foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false the 
> notion that the American administration and other Western governments ever 
> cared about human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this will be 
> done through the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.
> 
>   It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple the 
> Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer 
> dormant, and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try and 
> suppress it eventually burn or melt away. 
> 
>   For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, treacherous 
> despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases two, Arabs 
> lived in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so crippling it deemed 
> them useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . But the region has now 
> been revived by its youth who have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that 
> they know no fear, that they would rather die standing than live on their 
> knees. 
> 
>   But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of 
> freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not continue to 
> do business with dictators and still say they are "friends of the people".
> 
>   The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies and 
> expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as the 
> "free world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of 
> relationships. How can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government (freezing 
> personal assets of Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the butchering of 
> innocent civilians when 10 per cent of Europe's oil originates in Libya?
> 
>   America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the equation 
> works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 
> 
>   In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in 
> Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned down in 
> a police station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since gone missing, 
> picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God knows. 
> 
>   Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of 
> Libyans - on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?
> 
>   Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his 
> people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of living 
> in a democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of "the free 
> world", they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, London and Rome, 
> all of whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.
> 
>   It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer live 
> in a world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those working in 
> the State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle East is no longer 
> their playground, the Arab people will no longer be subjected to the 
> dictatorial rule of puppet despots propped up by greedy, racist and corrupt 
> regimes. 
> 
>   2011 is proving to be a turning point, a new beginning for the free people 
> of this region, from what I hear, see and know about the Arab people, they 
> want nothing more than to embark on this new beginning with their fellow free 
> humans in the West; its a shame that Western governments seem to be as 
> opposed to freedom and democracy as the despots who have ruled the Arab world 
> for decades. 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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Re: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

Dua pilot berpangkat kolonel Libya mendarat dengan pesawat Mirage mereka di 
Malta dan meminta perlindungan. Kabarnya Qadafi sudah meninggalkan Libiya 
menuju Venezuela, tetapi pihak Venezuel membantah berita ini.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jusfiq 
  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15 PM
  Subject: [proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' 
of Libya?

  What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
  By Jamal Elshayyal in 

  on February 21st, 2011.

  2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed 
foreign help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false the 
notion that the American administration and other Western governments ever 
cared about human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this will be 
done through the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.

  It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple the 
Arab world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer dormant, 
and as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try and suppress it 
eventually burn or melt away. 

  For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, treacherous 
despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases two, Arabs lived 
in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so crippling it deemed them 
useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . But the region has now been 
revived by its youth who have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they 
know no fear, that they would rather die standing than live on their knees. 

  But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of 
freedom, America and Britain fail to understand that they can not continue to 
do business with dictators and still say they are "friends of the people".

  The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies and 
expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as the "free 
world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of relationships. How 
can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government (freezing personal assets of 
Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the butchering of innocent civilians 
when 10 per cent of Europe's oil originates in Libya?

  America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the equation 
works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 

  In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in 
Tripoli and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned down in a 
police station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since gone missing, 
picked up by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God knows. 

  Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of Libyans 
- on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?

  Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his 
people, Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of living 
in a democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of "the free 
world", they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, London and Rome, 
all of whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.

  It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer live in 
a world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those working in the 
State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle East is no longer their 
playground, the Arab people will no longer be subjected to the dictatorial rule 
of puppet despots propped up by greedy, racist and corrupt regimes. 

  2011 is proving to be a turning point, a new beginning for the free people of 
this region, from what I hear, see and know about the Arab people, they want 
nothing more than to embark on this new beginning with their fellow free humans 
in the West; its a shame that Western governments seem to be as opposed to 
freedom and democracy as the despots who have ruled the Arab world for decades. 

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[proletar] CNN: Obama seeking reform in Libya, official says


 
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Washington (CNN) -- U.S. authorities were keeping a close watch on Libya's 
rapidly unfolding political crisis Monday in part to see what possibilities 
might exist for meaningful reform, a senior Obama administration official said.

Among other things, Washington was taking a close look at a speech early Monday 
by Saif al-Islam Gadhafi -- Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's son -- which 
included warnings of a civil war if demonstrations in the North African country 
don't stop.

In the speech, Saif Gadhafi also acknowledged changing times regionally and 
proposed "radical" reforms -- such as bolstering local governments, relaxing 
restrictive laws, raising salaries, extending loans and drafting a 
constitution, which doesn't exist now.

Obama officials continued to discuss with their Libyan counterparts the need to 
avoid violence against peaceful protesters, the official added.

The State Department, meanwhile, ordered all U.S. embassy family members and 
non-emergency personnel to depart Libya. U.S. citizens were urged to defer all 
travel to the country.

National security adviser Tom Donilon briefed President Barack Obama on the 
situation in Libya on Sunday night, the official said.

Despite the warning from Gadhafi's son, Libya's protesters are showing no signs 
of backing down. After Gadhafi's government apparently lost control of the city 
of Benghazi, angry protesters said they hoped for a similar turn of events in 
the capital, Tripoli.

Tripoli residents said state-run al-Shababiya TV was attacked Sunday evening by 
anti-government protesters. CNN, however, could not immediately confirm 
reports. The Libyan government maintains tight control on communications and 
has not responded to repeated requests from CNN for access to the country.

CNN has interviewed witnesses by phone.

The unrest, spurred largely by high unemployment and demands for freedom, has 
left at least 233 people dead in Libya, according to Human Rights Watch, citing 
hospital sources.

The growing American pressure on Gadhafi -- a famously mercurial leader -- is 
only the latest in a series of twists and turns in the relationship between 
Washington and Tripoli over 42 years of rule.

In 1986, Libya was implicated in the fatal bombing at a West Berlin nightclub 
that resulted in the death an American service member. President Ronald Reagan 
ordered the bombing targets in Libya in response and imposed economic 
sanctions. Reagan dubbed Gadhafi the "mad dog of the Middle East."

Two years later, Libya was implicated in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, 
which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland.

In 1999, Gadhafi tried to thaw his icy relationship with the West, agreeing to 
demands to turn over suspects in the Lockerbie bombing. In 2003, he agreed to 
eliminate his pursuit and stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.

The moves helped Libya regain diplomatic relations with the United States in 
2006.

In 2008, however, Swiss officials jailed one of Gadhafi's sons, prompting the 
furious leader to cut off the country's oil supplies, withdraw Libyan money 
from Swiss banks and threaten to sever diplomatic ties.

Two years ago, Gadhafi returned to the international spotlight yet again when 
Scotland agreed to release convicted Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, 
who received a hero's welcome in Libya.

Scottish authorities said al-Megrahi was terminally ill with cancer and, as a 
result, was released on compassionate grounds. Skeptics, including several U.S. 
senators, contend that al-Megrahi was released as part of a deal fueled by 
British business interests in Libya, including oil giant BP.

Libya is one of Europe's key oil suppliers.

CNN's Alan Silverleib, Jill Dougherty and Mike Pearson contributed to this 
report.
 
 
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[proletar] Aljazeera: (Jamal Elshayyal) What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?

What next for the 'Mad Dog' of Libya?
By Jamal Elshayyal in   


on February 21st, 2011.

2011 has already proven lie to the idea that the Arab world ever needed foreign 
help in order to achieve democracy; and now it could prove false the notion 
that the American administration and other Western governments ever cared about 
human rights or self determination. Unfortunately, this will be done through 
the massacring of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Libyans.

It has already become apparent that fear and apathy no longer cripple the Arab 
world, the volcano that is the Middle East of today is no longer dormant, and 
as it begins to erupt, those who foolishly continue to try and suppress it 
eventually burn or melt away. 

For decades, the Arab world has settled for corrupt, ignorant, treacherous 
despots as their leaders. For a generation, and in some cases two, Arabs lived 
in constant fear of expressing dissent, a fear so crippling it deemed them 
useless, incompetent and ultimately irrelevant . But the region has now been 
revived by its youth who have shown in Tunisia, Egypt and now Libya that they 
know no fear, that they would rather die standing than live on their knees. 

But still, like with Egypt, the West fails to see the inevitability of freedom, 
America and Britain fail to understand that they can not continue to do 
business with dictators and still say they are "friends of the people".

The European Union buys 79 per cent of Libya's oil. American companies and 
expats have practically taken over parts of Libya in recent years as the "free 
world" began to flirt with Gaddafi in the most scandalous of relationships. How 
can Europe put pressure on the Libyan government (freezing personal assets of 
Gaddafi for example) to immediately stop the butchering of innocent civilians 
when 10 per cent of Europe's oil originates in Libya?

America and most of Western Europe have already taught us how the equation 
works: Oil - Arab blood = Positive, Arab Blood - Oil = Negative. 

In the past few days I have spoken to people in Benghazi, in Beyda, in Tripoli 
and I've heard accounts of 60 innocent young men being gunned down in a police 
station. People I've spoken to on the phone have since gone missing, picked up 
by Libyan intelligence, their fate - only God knows. 

Gaddafi's son, Saif, has threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of Libyans - 
on TV. What was the reaction from "the free world"?

Despite the horrific barbarism used by Gaddafi to try and suppress his people, 
Libyans remain steadfast, determined to realise their dream of living in a 
democratic and free country. But they do this in spite of "the free world", 
they do this despite the best efforts of Washington, London and Rome, all of 
whom have and continue to prop up Gaddafi.

It amazes me why these governments fail to realise that we no longer live in a 
world where oppression is okay. I am baffled as to how those working in the 
State Department have yet to comprehend that the Middle East is no longer their 
playground, the Arab people will no longer be subjected to the dictatorial rule 
of puppet despots propped up by greedy, racist and corrupt regimes. 

2011 is proving to be a turning point, a new beginning for the free people of 
this region, from what I hear, see and know about the Arab people, they want 
nothing more than to embark on this new beginning with their fellow free humans 
in the West; its a shame that Western governments seem to be as opposed to 
freedom and democracy as the despots who have ruled the Arab world for decades. 





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[proletar] D I S I L U S I

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik Mira Wijaya Kusuma

Sumber: http://tamanhaikumiryanti.blogspot.com/2011/02/d-i-s-i-l-u-s-i.html


D I S I L U S I

Yang ingin benar-benar diketahui
mengapa kekerasan begitu kekal abadi
dengan mengorbankan jutaan nyawa
lalu, apa yang salah dengan kemanusiaan?

Mengapa orang di bumi
berbeda iman dan warna
tidak menunjukkan
nilai kebersamaan

Berpikir setelah kehidupan ini
maunya berlabuh ke surga
berpikir baik dan buruk
nyatanya tindakan manusia
lagi-lagi melakukan kekerasan
karena ingin mendominasi
dan menindas antar sesama

Dari semua kontradiksi
selama bertahun-tahun
dan disillusi yang terwarisi
memiliki banyak kebohongan
hasilnya membawa bencana
kesengsaraanpun semakin terpuruk

Sekarang, semua keinginan
telah diraih dengan kemudahan
sejauh mata menatap dan merasa
disepanjang musim semi yang lalu
kehidupan kembali ke awal titik nol

Kepergian, tidak pernah kembali
lembah kemiskinan semakin  curam
terjalnya jenjang antar kehidupan
anjang konflik sosial di bumi
dijadikan order bisnis kekuasaan
kekayaan alam dan daya manusia

Dengan bibirnya di balik pikiran
menghasilkan keheningan semu
yang tersisa dari kejahatan masa lalu
hidup di dunia hanya mimpi buruk
tanpa toleransi dan keadilan
 
MiRa - Amsterdam, 20 Februari 2011


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[proletar] Reuter:Moroccan protesters call for curbs on kings powers and end to corruption

 Moroccan protesters call for curbs on king's powers and end to corruption
 

REUTERS - At least 2,000 protesters gathered in a square in Morocco's capital 
on Sunday to demand that King Mohammed give up some of his powers and clamp 
down on government corruption.
Some people in the crowd were waving Tunisian and Egyptian flags, a recognition 
of the popular uprisings there.
 
Uniformed police kept their distance from the protest, in Rabat's Bab El Ahad 
area, though there were plain-clothes officers mingling in the crowd with 
notebooks.
 
Analysts say Morocco, with a reformist monarch who is widely respected, and a 
growing economy, is one of the Arab countries least likely to succumb to the 
wave of protests sweeping the region.
 
"Things are worse than in other places in the Arab world" - Omar Mansour, Front 
Polisario
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Slogans chanted at the protest included: "The people reject a constitution made 
for slaves!" and "The people want the autocracy down!"
 
With heavy rain falling, people used plastic sheets as improvised raincoats.
 
"This is a peaceful protest to push for constitutional reform, restore dignity 
and end graft and the plundering of public funds," said Mustapha Muchtati of 
the Baraka (Enough) group, which helped organise the protest.
 
The protest was initiated by a group calling itself the February 20 Movement 
for Change, which has attracted 19,000 followers on the social networking 
website Facebook.
 
On the eve of the protest, a Moroccan youth movement said it was pulling out 
because of disagreements with Islamists and leftists.
 
Demonstrations were also planned for Morocco's other main cities, including 
Marrakesh, the top tourist destination.
 
Morocco is officially a constitutional monarchy with an elected parliament. But 
the constitution empowers the king to dissolve the legislature, impose a state 
of emergency and have a key say in government appointments including the prime 
minister.
 
Officials say Morocco's commitment to reform has never been as palpable as 
under King Mohammed who -- as a member of the Alaouite dynasty that has been 
ruling Morocco for some 350 years and claims descent from the Prophet Mohammad 
-- is considered sacred by the constitution.
 
The call for the protest has been portrayed as a healthy sign by the 
authorities. The government has worked since the king came to the throne in 
1999 to repair a bleak legacy of human rights abuses, poverty and illiteracy 
left after the 38-year rule of his father, King Hassan II.
 
But Finance Minister Salaheddine Mezouar urged citizens to boycott the march, 
warning that any "slip may in the space of few weeks cost us what we have 
achieved over the last 10 years".
 
Officials have voiced concern that Algeria and the Polisario Front, which wants 
independence for the disputed territory of Western Sahara, may use upheavals 
sweeping some Arab countries to stir unrest. Morocco annexed Western Sahara in 
1975.





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[proletar] Aljazeera: US and EU condemn Libya crackdown

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik utusan.allah


US and EU condemn Libya crackdown
Top US and EU diplomats denounce violence against protesters but stop short of 
calling for a change of government.
Last Modified: 21 Feb 2011 03:11 GMT


Western countries have expressed concern at the rising violence against 
demonstrators in Libya.

The United States said it was deeply concerned by credible reports of hundreds 
of deaths and injuries during protests in Libya, and urged the government to 
allow demonstrators to protest peacefully.

"The United States is gravely concerned with disturbing reports and images 
coming out of Libya," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said. "We have 
raised to a number of Libyan officials ... our strong objections to the use of 
lethal force against peaceful demonstrators."

The State Department said US embassy dependents were being encouraged to leave 
Libya and US citizens were urged to defer nonessential travel to the country.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice spoke 
out against brutal crackdowns on protesters in Libya and Bahrain but stopped 
short of calling for a change of government in any of the countries facing 
large protests.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he spoke to Seif al-Islam Gaddafi 
by phone on Sunday and told him that the country must embark on "dialogue and 
implement reforms".

European Union (EU) foreign ministers have also condemned the repression of 
demonstrators in Libya.

Libya threat

Meanwhile, Libya has told the EU it will stop cooperating on illegal migration 
if the EU continues to encourage pro-democracy protests in the country, the 
bloc's Hungarian presidency said.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton had said during a visit to the region 
last week that Libya should listen to what protesters were saying and "allow 
free expression".

EU foreign ministers met in Brussels on Sunday to discuss the uprisings across 
North Africa and the Gulf with the focus expected to be on Egypt and Libya, 
where there have been days of protests against President Muammar Gaddafi's 
40-year rule.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Italy, which has widespread 
business interests in Libya, particularly in the energy sector, was concerned 
about developments.

"We are following very closely all the situation. Italy as you know is the 
closest neighbour, both of Tunisia and Libya, so we are extremely concerned 
about the repercussions on the migratory situation in southern Mediterranean," 
he said.

Italian oil giant Eni has invested heavily in the oil-and-gas rich country. 
Libya's central bank, meanwhile, has a 4 percent share in Italy's largest bank 
UniCredit, which last year won the first international license to operate in 
the North African country.

Premier Silvio Berlusconi, who has hosted Gaddafi lavishly on his frequent 
visits to Rome, said on Saturday he was concerned about the situation but had 
not called Gaddafi himself because he did not want to "disturb" him.

Libya has frequently threatened to cancel cooperation with the EU on illegal 
migration in the past. In December, a minister said Libya would scale back 
efforts to stem the flow of migrants unless the EU paid 5 billion euros ($6.8 
billion) a year.

The International Organization for Migration estimates that migrants from 
across Africa account for about 10 per cent of Libya's six million population, 
although only a minority of those attempt to travel on to Europe to find work.

The European Commission said in October it would spend 50 million euros to help 
Libya tackle illegal migration and protect migrants' rights.

Diplomats resign

Meanwhile, Ali al-Essawi, Libya's ambassador to India resigned in protest at 
his government's violent crackdown on demonstrators calling for the ouster of 
Gaddafi, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) reported on Monday.

Essawi also accused the government of deploying foreign mercenaries against the 
protesters.

Earlier on Monday, Hussein Sadiq al Musrati, a senior Libyan diplomat posted in 
China also resigned and called on the army to intervene in the bloody uprising 
against Gaddafii.

The diplomat stepped down in an on-air interview with Al-Jazeera and "called on 
all diplomatic staff to resign".





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[proletar] BBC: Komentar Jon Leyne


Kadafi juga minggat?

--

 Jon Leyne  Jon Leyne  BBC News, Cairo

The situation in Libya is becoming increasingly confused and chaotic. There are 
several reports that Col Gaddafi has now left Tripoli, possibly for his 
hometown of Sirt or his desert base of Sabha.

In Tripoli itself, elements of the security forces are still on the streets, 
though the violence seems to be increasingly random.

During the night, there were more brutal attacks on demonstrators who had 
gathered, after rumours spread that Col Gaddafi had fled the country.

Hour by hour, there are reports of more defections. Almost all major tribal 
leaders seem to have joined the opposition, as well as important religious 
leaders and several senior Libyan ambassadors.

The east of the country is already almost entirely out of the hands of the 
government. Col Gaddafi's hold on power is becoming weaker by the hour.





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[proletar] CNN: Gorbachev: Gadhafi risks being run out of Libya

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik utusan.allah

Gorbachev: Gadhafi risks being run out of Libya
By Paula Newton, CNN
February 21, 2011 -- Updated 1425 GMT (2225 HKT)

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has condemned the Libyan regime for 
brutally repressing its own people.

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has condemned the Libyan regime for 
brutally repressing its own people.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Gadhafi is "using the military ... against defenseless people," Mikhail 
Gorbachev says
* Europe, U.S. need to "respond to this situation very responsibly," he says
* Former Soviet leader also has harsh criticism for Dmitry Medvedev and 
Vladimir Putin
* The Russian leaders are to blame for Russia's "fake" democratic 
institutions, he says

Moscow (CNN) -- Former Soviet leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Mikhail 
Gorbachev is warning that Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi could be chased out of 
his own country if he does not begin to bend to the will of the people.

"Gadhafi reacted so ruthlessly that he might end up being forced out (of his 
country). I don't want to make predictions or anything, but he's shooting at 
people; he is using the military and weapons against defenseless people," 
Gorbachev said.

In a wide-ranging news conference to announce nominees for his new Gorbachev 
Awards for "world changers," Gorbachev weighed in on protests rattling the 
Middle East and criticized the Libyan regime for brutally repressing its own 
people.

"People are trying to get of out poverty, and they've got nothing to lose. I 
think it's now very important that Europe and the United States respond to this 
situation very responsibly," he said.
Gadhafi reacted so ruthlessly that he might end up being forced out.

The former Soviet leader had blunt criticism for leaders in his own country as 
well.

Gorbachev blamed both President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir 
Putin for the state of Russian democracy, calling its institutions "fake." He 
added that both are showing incredible arrogance and disrespect for voters when 
suggesting that they would discuss between the two of them who should run for 
president in 2012.

Gorbachev has been ever more outspoken in recent weeks in criticizing Russian 
leaders, saying he sees the country becoming increasingly entrenched in a 
dangerous, authoritarian system.

In an interview with a Russian newspaper he co-owns, Gorbachev said he was 
trying to start a new political party but has been blocked by the Kremlin. He 
claims Kremlin bosses refuse to officially register and recognize his new 
social democratic party. Gorbachev says Russia is in need of a democratic 
revival.

Many Russians are ambivalent toward Gorbachev and his legacy. While many 
concede he brought real change to their lives with greater freedoms under 
Perestroika and with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, many also blame him 
for hardships that came afterward.





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[proletar] Aljazeera: (Inside Story) Crushing Libya's revolt

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik utusan.allah


Sekedar untuk didengarkan.. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV22rbo8Itw





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[proletar] Anti-Ahmadiyah Beri Waktu 10 Hari Bagi SBY

R a l a t 

Refleksi : Seperti halnya dengan dikirim Laskar Jihad ke Sulawesi Tengah dan 
Maluku di waktu lalu .Tentu sekali  ultimaum FPI dan konco-konconya  mendapat 
restu rezim berkuasa.  Salah seorang peting yang memberikan restu ialah Susilo 
Bambang Yudhoyono yang sekarang berkedudukan sebagai presiden NKRI. Apakah 
sebagai presiden telah beliau meninta maaf kepada rakyat di Maluku dan Sulawesi 
tengah, tentu saj arogansi tidak mengizinkan. 

Sehubungan dengan tindakan kekerasan yang  dilakukan oleh FPI cs  dan 
ultimatumnya yang diumumkan ini, maka tentu orang sehat pikiran akan mengajukan 
pertanyaan klasik : Sehabis Ahmadiyah dihancurkan,  golongan, aliran mana atau 
etnik mana akan menemui nasib yang sama?

Kenyataan yang dikumpulkan oleh BPS pada sensus 2010 terdapat 10 propnisi yang 
berkatagori yaitu antara lain, Papua, Maluku (dari Utara sampai Selatan, dari 
Morotai sampai Wetar) dan Nusa Tengara Timur adalah termiskin.  Dibahagian 
Barat NKRI tercacat Aceh  sebagai propinsi termiskin melarat Bukankah termiskin 
berarti juga terkebelakang. Inikah  hasil selama 60 tahun lebih merdeka-merdeka?

Dengan gambaran sederhana seperti dipaparkan diatas  mengenai tindakan 
kekerasan dan regional marganinalisasi maka pertanyaannya ialah apa faedah  
NKRI bagi daerah atau propinsi-ropinsi yang diungkapkan??. 


http://www.indonesiamedia.com/2011/02/20/anti-ahmadiyah-beri-waktu-10-hari-bagi-sby/

Anti-Ahmadiyah Beri Waktu 10 Hari Bagi SBY
Posted on February 20 2011 by ded/Kps 
 


DEMO massa Forum Umat Islam (FUI) dan Front Pembela Islam (FPI) digelar di 
Bundaran HI dan depan Istana Negara, Jakarta, Jumat (18/2) siang. Mereka 
menuntut pembubaran Jemaat Ahmadiyah.

Dalam pernyataan pers yang dibagi-bagikan kemarin, FUI menuntut Presiden agar 
segera mengeluarkan Keppres Pembubaran Ahmadiyah sesuai UU No 1/PNPS/1965 pasal 
2. Mereka juga menuntut Mabes Polri segera menangkap Abdul Basith dan jajaran 
pimpinan Jemaat Ahmadiyah yang telah sengaja menjalankan agenda menyebarkan 
Islam menurut ajaran nabi palsu Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, dan memproses mereka secara 
hukum.

Para demonstran anti-Ahmadiyah memberi waktu 10 hari kepada Presiden Susilo 
Bambang Yudhoyono (SBY) untuk membubarkan Ahmadiyah. Apabila tidak digubris, 
massa mengancam akan menduduki istana.

"Kalau dalam waktu sepuluh hari ini belum ada penyelesaian dari pemerintah, 
maka kami akan menginap di Istana," ucap Korlap dan Ketua Pengkaderan dan 
Pembinaan Umat, Ustadz Bernard Abdul Jabar di Bundaran HI.

Ia menjanjikan aksi yang lebih besar jika tuntutan tidak direspons. "Ini baru 
permulaan saja. Presiden harus keluarkan keppres pembubaran Ahmadiyah. Jangan 
ditunda, karena ini merupakan tuntutan umat Islam yang diwakili FUI dan ormas 
Islam," kata Ustaz Bernard.

Dia mengatakan, anarkisme yang belakangan muncul merupakan bentuk amarah warga 
Muslim akibat pelanggaran yang banyak terjadi. "Kami menuntut pembubaran 
Ahmadiyah. Kalau pemerintah tidak menggubris, 1 Maret nanti Insya Allah kami 
akan ada di istana untuk meminta presiden SBY membubarkan Ahmadiyah karena 
tidak sesuai dengan undang-undang yang ada," teriak Bernard.

Aksi kemarin sempat memacetkan lalu lintas. Menurut Kepala Biro Operasional 
Polda Metro Jaya, Komisaris Besar Sujarno, demo memang sempat menyebabkan 
kemacetan. Namun petugas di lapangan mampu mengendalikan massa sehingga tidak 
sampai menutup ruas jalan.

Tersangka Cikeusik

Sementara itu perburuan para pelaku penyerangan Jemaat Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik, 
Pandeglang, Banten, terus dilakukan. Setelah menahan tujuh orang tersangka, 
polisi kembali menangkap dua pelaku lainnya. Kedua pelaku berinisial D dan AD.

Kepala Bagian Penerangan Umum Divisi Humas Polri, Komisaris Besar Boy Rafli 
Amar, mengatakan bahwa D adalah pria yang berada di barisan terdepan dalam 
penyerangan tersebut. Wajahnya terlihat jelas dalam rekaman video. Dia 
mengenakan jaket hitam dan menenteng golok.

Dikatakan Boy, D yang ditangkap di Ulujami, Jakarta Selatan, bukanlah anggota 
jemaah Ahmadiyah. Dia memakai pita biru yang diikatkan di bajunya.

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[proletar] BBC: Afghan suicide bomber in Kunduz 'kills dozens'


BBC News South Asia

21 February 2011 Last updated at 13:09 GMT

Afghan suicide bomber in Kunduz 'kills dozens'
A mother touches her wounded son after a suicide attack in Emam Saheb district 
of Kunduz province February 21, 2011 Dozens of people were injured in the blast

At least 30 people have died after a suicide bomber targeted a government 
building in northern Afghanistan.

The attacker struck as people lined up to collect identity cards in the Imam 
Saheb district of Kunduz province, a local official said.

The Taliban said they carried out the attack, but claimed to have targeted an 
army recruitment centre.

Violence has been on the increase in Afghanistan where tens of thousands of 
foreign troops are based.

The attack comes one day after the Taliban attacked a branch of Kabul Bank in 
the eastern city of Jalalabad, targeting police and intelligence officers who 
were collecting their salaries.

Kunduz insurgency

The BBC's Sambuddha Mitra Mustafi in Kabul says that althought the Taliban are 
saying the target in Imam Saheb was an army recruitment centre, eyewitnesses 
and local officials say it was a government census office.

The Taliban would not want to be seen to be deliberately targeting civilians, 
our correspondent says.

The bomber detonated his explosives at the entrance to the government building 
at midday, Imam Saheb's police chief Abdul Qayum Ebrahimi told the Associated 
Press news agency.

"Today it was very crowded," Mr Ebrahimi said. "People had gathered in the 
front of the department to get identification cards."

The insurgency in Afghanistan is still fiercest in the south and east, but 
security has been deteriorating in the once-peaceful north. In the past few 
months, coalition and Afghan troops have been fighting pitched battles with 
insurgents.

Over the last few years, Taliban influence has been growing in Kunduz province.

In October last year, a powerful bomb killed the governor of Kunduz, Mohammad 
Omar, and 19 others in a crowded mosque in neighbouring Takhar province.

Civilian and military casualties in Afghanistan are at levels not seen for a 
decade - last year, more than 2,400 civilians died.

Nato strikes

The blast comes as controversy erupted over Nato air strikes in eastern 
Afghanistan. Local officials accused Nato of killing scores of civilians in air 
strikes in Kunar province on Sunday.
Man stands in ruins of house relatives say was destroyed after an air strike in 
Nangarhar province February 21, 2011 Nato is investigating an incident in 
Nangarhar province where some civilians were mistakenly killed

But Nato dismissed these reports, with one senior official saying he saw video 
footage of the battle in Kunar and that there was no evidence of civilian 
deaths.

Nato says it killed 36 insurgents in the area but local tribal elders and 
officials say 64 civilians died in the attack. An investigation is under way.

But Nato have issued an apology over a separate incident on Sunday when at 
least two civilians were killed after a missile mistakenly hit their home in 
Nangarhar province.

Earlier this month, a human rights watchdog said that 2010 was the deadliest 
year for Afghans since the war began in 2001.

Afghanistan Rights Monitor said the Taliban were responsible for about 60% of 
the 2,400 civilians killed, while US-led forces were accountable for 21%.






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[proletar] MI: Seskab Dipo Alam Akui Instruksi Boikot Media Massa Nasional

"Toh yang punya uang itu pemerintah." katanya.

Omongan fascist.

Karena uang yang dimaksud itu itu adalah uang pajak penduduk Indonesia.


Seskab Dipo Alam Akui Instruksi Boikot Media Massa Nasional
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Seskab Dipo Alam/ANTARA
JAKARTA--MICOM: Sekretaris Kabinet Dipo Alam mengakui telah menginstruksikan 
seluruh Sekretaris Jenderal dan Humas Kementerian/Lembaga Negara untuk tidak 
memasang iklan di salah satu harian dan televisi nasional. Dipo menegaskan, 
boikot terhadap kedua media massa itu dilakukan karena tiap menit dan tiap jam 
menayangkan berita yang isinya selalu mengkritik pemerintah.

Dipo menegaskan, dirinya akan terus memantau semua Kementerian/Lembaga Negara 
agar instruksi itu dilaksanakan. Boikot itu baru dicabut asalkan kedua media 
massa tadi mau memperbaiki diri. "Kalau intinya media ini terus mengkritik, 
tidak ada menit, tidak ada jam, saya instruksikan memang. Buat apa pasang di 
sana! Kalau memang kita mau kerja sama, mari yang obyektif," kata Dipo di 
Istana Bogor, Jawa Barat, Senin (21/2).

"Tapi, ini coba liat. Ada media televisi, media koran yang tidak ada yang 
isinya tidak menjelek-jelekkan pemerintah. Gambarnya berulang-ulang, yang 
kebakaranlah, ditusuklah, segala macam. Buat apa ? Itu kan membuat investor 
pada lari. Seolah-olah Indonesia ini kacau. Indonesia ini gelap. Itu yang 
dikatakan Indonesia katanya menuju negara gagal," cetusnya.

Ia menegaskan, boikot ini sama sekali tidak melanggar kebebasan pers. Lagi 
pula, pemerintah selaku pihak yang memiliki uang berhak memasang iklan di media 
mana pun. Menurut Dipo, dirinya tidak gentar seandainya dipermasalahkan ke 
Dewan Pers.

"Saya memberikan instruksi boikot itu kepada seluruh sekjen dan humas 
Kementrian. Kita bukan alergi kritik. Boleh kritik, kita senang dikritik. Tapi, 
isinya negatif dan akumulatif sehingga orang-orang menjadi mis lead, that is 
wrong. Itu bukan mengkritik. Itu bukan kebebasan pers. Saya mengatakan boikot 
saja. Yang tidak boikot, saya perhatikan," ujarnya dengan nada tinggi.

"Tidak usah pasang iklan di situ. Toh yang punya uang itu pemerintah. Saya juga 
mengatakan menginstruksikan kepada seluruh staf khusus Presiden agar tidak usah 
menerima undangan interview dalam acara prime time. Itu hanya untuk 
melaku-lakukan televisi tersebut. Kita mau bicara apa salah. Dijelaskan salah. 
You masukkan saja (di berita). Tidak apa-apa," tegasnya. (Nav/OL-2)







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[proletar] Republika: Terus Dipojokan, Pemerintah Ancam Boikot Media Massa


Jadi, ada ancaman terhadap media massa agar berhenti melakukan tugasnya: 
menyampaikan berita.

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REPUBLIKA.CO.ID,BOGOR- Pemerintah mengancam akan memboikot media yang terus 
mendiskreditkan Pemerintah. Pasalnya, kini banyak media yang mengesankan 
seolah-olah Indonesia merupakan negara yang tidak aman. Beberapa media juga 
terus mendiskrditkan pemerintah.

Hal tersebut, disampaikan oleh Sekretaris Kabinet Dipo Alam. Karena perilaku 
media-media tersebutlah, menurut dia, menjadi terbit kekhawatiran sendiri di 
pemerintah bahwa hal itu akan berdampak pada larinya investasi. "Coba kita 
lihat, ada media TV, media koran yang tidak ada habisnya menjelekkan 
Pemerintah," kata Dipo usai rapat kerja pemerintah di Istana  Bogor, Senin 
(21/2).

Dipo kemudian mencontohkan ada media yang terus memutar gambar kejadian negatif 
yang terjadi, secara terus menerus. Gambarnya, menurut dia, terus 
diulang-ulang. "Untuk memojokkan Pemerintah. Putar gambar ditusuk buat apa? Itu 
malah membuat investor lari," paparnya.

Dipo mengaku, Pemerintah tidak alergi terhadap kritik. "Saya bukan alergi 
kritik. Boleh dikritik, tapi kalau isinya akumulasi that is wrong (kesalahan)," 
kata dia. Akhirnya Dipo kembali melempar ancaman, bahwa apabila media tersebut 
sekarang setiap menit menjelekkan instansi Pemerintah, terus menerus, maka ia 
bahkan menghimbau agar berhenti pasang iklan di media tersebut.

Tidak hanya mengancam boikot iklan, Dipo juga mengancam Pemerintah akan meminta 
pejabat tidak memasang orang untuk wawancara. "Orang yang diinterview saat 
prime time (waktu tayang utama) tidak usah datang yang dari Pemerintah. Karena 
kita ngomong apapun salah, dijelaskan pun salah," tutup Dipo.
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[proletar] At least two dead in Iraq mosque attack

Refl. Di NKRI  aliran besar dan arus kerasnya hantam tubruk Ahmadiah. Di  Irak 
Suni dan Shia baku gasak, tidak kalah pula di Pakistan. Akibat baku gasak ini 
darah mengalir dan tidak sedikit pula jiwa melayang.  Melihat 
pertentangan-pertentangan berdarah yang berlangsung ini maka tentu akal sehat 
akan bertanya kepada siapa Allah berpihak dalam konflik-konflik ini? 

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/20/iraq.mosque.attack/

At least two dead in Iraq mosque attack
By the CNN Wire Staff 
February 20, 2011 -- Updated 1937 GMT (0337 HKT)

CNN) -- At least two people died and six others were wounded Sunday when a 
suicide bomber drove an explosive-laden vehicle into a Sunni mosque at the 
conclusion of a birthday celebration for the Muslim prophet Mohammed, according 
to local police.

Police told CNN that the attack happened as worshippers were leaving the Mara 
al-Hayss mosque in Shirqat, a small town in the Nineveh provice about 300 
kilometers (186 miles) north of Baghdad.

The attack bears the hallmarks of al Qaeda, Shirqat police Capt. Mohammed 
al-Jabouri told CNN. Sunni extremists in general believe that any celebration 
of Mohammed's birthday is heresy, he said.

Mohammed al-Hayes, the leader of the Al-Jabour tribe in Shirqat, also believes 
that al Qaeda in Iraq was behind the attack.

Although violence in the region has dropped precipitously over the last two 
years, sporadic attacks do still occur.

On Thursday, unidentified gunmen shot and killed a freelance journalist near 
his home in Mosul. Hilal al-Ahmadi, 57, a freelance journalist for more than 30 
years, was gunned down as he headed to work, according to the Committee to 
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[proletar] Seminar “The State of the Nation and Democracy in Japan”

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik Diana

  
  Seminar “The State of the Nation and Democracy in Japan” 
  Waktu:
  25 Februari 2011
  13.30 – 16.30

  Tempat:
  Hall The Japan Foundation Jakarta
  Gd. Summitmas 1 lt.2
  Jl. Jend. Sudirman Kav. 61-62
  Jakarta

  Pembicara:
  • Prof. Mochtar Pabottingi
  (Pusat Penelitian Politik LIPI)
  • Prof. Eiji Oguma
  (Department of Policy Management, Keio University)

  Komentator:
  • Dr. Bachtiar Alam
  (Dosen Program Studi Jepang, Universitas Indonesia)
  • Dr. Naoko Shimazu
  (Dosen Sejarah Jepang, University of London)

  Moderator:
  Dr. Susy Ong
  (Dosen Kajian Wilayah Jepang, Universitas Indonesia)

  Prof. Mochtar Pabottingi
  Prof. Mochtar Pabottingi adalah peneliti senior di Pusat Penelitian 
Politik LIPI. Pada 1995 – 2001 merupakan Kepala Pusat Penelitian Politik dan 
Kwilayahan LIPI. Memperoleh Ph.D dari Department of Political Science, 
University of Hawaii. Pada tahun 2001, Prof. Mochtar menjadi Visiting Professor 
di University of Wisconsin (Amerika Serikat). Pada 2007 – 2008, Prof. Mochtar 
mendapatkan research fellowship dari The Japan Foundation, dan melakukan 
penelitian mengenai hubungan antara nationhood dan demokrasi di Jepang.

  Prof. Eiji Oguma 
  Prof. Eiji Oguma adalah Prof. di Faculty of Policy Management, Department 
of Policy Management, Keio University. Bukunya Tan'itsu Minzoku-Shinwa no Kigen 
(1995) meraih Suntory Culture Award pada tahun 1996. Buku ini kemudian 
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Demokrasi dan Patriotisme. Buku ini mendapat 2nd honourable mention dari The 
Japan Sociological Society dan 57th Mainichi Publishing Culture Award tahun 
2002, dan pada tahun 2004 mendapat Osaragi Jiro Prize for Commentary. Buku 
terbarunya yang terbit pada tahun 2010 berjudul 1968, sebuah buku yang membahas 
suatu peristiwa sejarah penting di Jepang, yang mendapatkan Kadokawa Foundation 
Liberal-Arts Prize.
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Re: [proletar] Emha: Saya Anti Demokrasi

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik ajeg

Jangan-jangan Emha nggak tau, bahkan Perang Salib yang awalnya 
perang antaragama, telah lama luruh menjadi tinggal Anglo Saxon 
vs Arab. Kemelut di Timurtengah sekarang ini bisa saja menjadi 
bukti bahwa "Perang Salib" sedang menjelang akhir. 

--- liman PAP  wrote: 
> 
> Emha sudah terpengaruh dikotomi bahwa demokrasi berarti anti Islam 
> sehingga lebih memilih anti demokrasi. 

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[proletar] Emha: Saya Anti Demokrasi

2011-02-21 Terurut Topik ajeg


Itulah kebodohan Barat. Mereka lebih suka dibilang 'bodoh' 
daripada 'curang'. Bagi mereka 'bodoh' mengandung ketidaktahuan, 
sehingga akibat yang timbul dari kebodohan wajib dimaafkan. 

Padahal, kebodohan yang mereka lakukan adalah membenturkan 
peradaban dengan kepercayaan. Atau dalam idiom mereka sendiri, 
ibarat membandingkan apel dengan durian. Terutama setelah 
Huntington menarik simpul teori "clash of civilizations" yang 
belakangan malah dikerucutkan tinggal menjadi Barat vs Islam. 
Kebodohan ini jelas mendiskreditkan Islam. 

Orang boleh ragu jika ini karena kebodohan semata. Sebab, 
mustahil mereka tidak tahu bahwa hasilnya akan sama kalau ia 
berbunyi "Kristen vs Timur" atau "Kristen vs Selatan". Umat 
Kristen akan tampak konyol di mata dunia. 

Untuk menghindari babak belur yang konyol itulah Barat lebih 
suka berkata & berlagak bodoh. Dan mereka berhasil. 

Lucunya, dalam melawan kebodohan Barat itu Emha menempuh jalan 
yang sama. Menulis dengan blagak bodo. Bodo-bodoan. 

Emha tau yang dia maksud adalah dia anti terhadap demokrasi ala 
Barat yang mengandalkan kroyokan itu. Demokrasi mengandalkan massa, 
adu banyak pengikut, yang dibuktikan melalui voting. 

Tapi dia kelewat emosional sehingga lupa (atau memang pilon 
kalau dirinya sering dijadikan idola oleh sebagian remaja), bahwa 
bukan mustahil sebagian belia menangkap tulisannya ini sebagai 
arahan, kalau tidak bisa dibilang "instruksi", perintah untuk 
mengharamkan demokrasi secara menyeluruh. 

Padahal, dia juga tau bahwa demokrasi itu tidak tunggal. Tau 
bahwa musyawarah adalah juga bentuk demokrasi yang hidup di 
belahan bumi timur & selatan - wilayah yang dalam sejarah dikenal 
sebagai sumber peradaban. 

Oleh karena itu, mestinya dia juga tau bahwa hal mendasar dari 
per-adab-an adalah berlakunya kebenaran oleh akal sehat, dan bukan 
berjalannya kebenaran hanya lantaran pengikutnya banyak, apalagi 
sekedar ikut-ikutan atau malah digiring. 

Bagaimana pun, tulisan Emha ini cukup menghibur. Emosional lagi 
lucu, karena justru ikut menghalangi cahaya & menggelapkan makna 
demokrasi itu sendiri. Sarat dengan sadomasochism budaya. 
Padahal, kalau nggak salah, dia termasuk yang keras menolak Yogya 
disebut antidemokrasi. 


--- 

> SAYA ANTI DEMOKRASI
> oleh : Emha Ainun Nadjib
> 
> Kalau ada bentrok antara Ustadz dengan Pastur, pihak Depag, Polsek, 
> dan Danramil harus menyalahkan Ustadz, sebab kalau tidak itu namanya
> diktator mayoritas.
> 
> Mentang-mentang Ummat Islam mayoritas, asalkan yang mayoritas bukan 
> yang selain Islam - harus mengalah dan wajib kalah. Kalau mayoritas 
> kalah, itu memang sudah seharusnya, asalkan mayoritasnya Islam dan 
> minoritasnya Kristen. Tapi kalau mayoritasnya Kristen dan 
> minoritasnya Islam, Islam yang harus kalah. Baru wajar namanya.
> 
> Kalau Khadhafi kurang ajar, yang salah adalah Islam. Kalau Palestina
> banyak teroris, yang salah adalah Islam. Kalau Saddam Hussein 
> nranyak, yang salah adalah Islam. Tapi kalau Belanda menjajah 
> Indonesia 350 tahun, yang salah bukan Kristen. Kalau amerika 
> Serikat jumawa dan adigang adigung adiguna kepada rakyat Irak, yang 
> salah bukan Kristen. Bahkan sesudah ribuan bom dihujankan di 
> seantero Bagdad, Amerika Serikatlah pemegang sertifikat kebenaran, 
> sementara yang salah pasti adalah Islam.
>
> "Agama" yang paling benar adalah demokrasi. Anti demokrasi sama 
> dengan setan dan iblis. Cara mengukur siapa dan bagaiman yang pro 
> dan yang kontra demokrasi, ditentukan pasti bukan oleh orang Islam. 
> Golongan Islam mendapat jatah menjadi pihak yang diplonco dan dites 
> terus menerus oleh subyektivisme kaum non-Islam.
>
> Kaum Muslimin diwajibkan menjadi penganut demokrasi agar diakui oleh
> peradaban dunia. Dan untuk mempelajari demokrasi, mereka dilarang 
> membaca kelakuan kecurangan informasi jaringan media massaBarat 
> atas kesunyatan Islam.
>
> Orang-orang non-Muslim, terutama kaum Kristiani dunia, mendapatkan
> previlese dari Tuhan untuk mempelajari Islam tidak dengan membaca 
> Al-Quran dan menghayati Sunnah Rasulullah Muhammad SAW, melainkan 
> dengan menilai dari sudut pandang mereka.
>
> Maka kalau penghuni peradaban global dunia bersikap anti-Islam tanpa
> melalui apresiasi terhadap Qur'an, saya juga akan siap menyatakan 
> diri sebagai anti-demokrasi karena saya jembek dan muak terhadap 
> kelakuan Amerika Serikat di berbagai belahan dunia. Dan dari sudut  
> itulah demokrasi saya nilai, sebagaimana dari sudut yang semacam 
> juga menilai Islam.
> 
> Di Yogya teman-teman musik Kiai Kanjeng membuat nomer-nomer musik, 
> yang karena bersentuhan dengan syair-syair saya, maka merekapun 
> memasuki wilayah musikal Ummi Kaltsum, penyanyi legendaris Mesir. 
> Musik Kiai Kanjeng mengandung unsur Arab, campur Jawa, jazz Negro 
> dan entah apa lagi. Seorang teman menyapa: "Banyak nuansa Arabnya 
> ya? Mbok lain kali bikin yang etnis 'gitu..."
>
> Lho kok Arab bukan etnis?
>
> Bukan. Nada-nada arab bukan etnis, melainkan nada Islam. Nada Arab

Re: [proletar]Muhammad saw kah? (4) Siapakah "DIA"?

ndeboost itu jelas  sudah gila, jadi nggak bisa lagi serius...

Soalnya di mailing list ini dia dihadapkan kepada kenyataan pahit lagi 
menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang kafir: agama taik anjing Islam yang 
dianutnya itu ternyata cuman jelmaan dari salah satu sekte Nasrani uninarian 
yang ajarannnya ditambah orang Arab primitif dengan ajaran yang buas, kejam, 
keji, zalim lagi biadab.

Nggk tahan melihat kenyataan itu dia jadi gila, seperti juga orang Islam yang 
lain disini, yaitu Dipo, johny-indon, PAREWA PAREWA, , rezameutia, Roman 
Proteus, Tawang  

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi  wrote:
>
> kalau saya respon apa otak anda punya kemampuan untuk serius?
> 
> On 2/21/11, ndeboost  wrote:
> > @D_SH, ketimbang OOT maka kalau ga punya topik lain
> > mangga postingannya nDeboost direspon.
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> anda enggak ada bedanya sama antonius yang anda singgung :
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/302113
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/2/21 ndeboost rambitesemak@
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hwa hwe hua ha ha ha ha Ngawur yang khas @Buaya.
> >> > Semi nDebil namun sulit diajak belajar.
> >> >
> >> > Eh @mBleguk mBlekutug, nT ga mau lihat tantangan
> >> > Al Qur'an dimana bertebaran ayat-ayat menyampaikan
> >> > agar manusia (umumnya) mikir. Beberapa hanya sekilas,
> >> > ga ada ajakan mikir namun malah nangtang.
> >> > Salah satunya mangga disimak:
>

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[proletar] BBC:Sudan's Omar al-Bashir 'will not seek re-election'

BBC News Africa

21 February 2011 Last updated at 09:24 GMT

Sudan's Omar al-Bashir 'will not seek re-election'
President Omar al-Bashir (08/02/11) President Bashir is accused of war crimes 
in Darfur

Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir will not stand in the next presidential 
election due in four years, a ruling party official has said.

The move is part of a package of reforms aimed at democratising the country, 
Rabie Abdelati said.

Mr Bashir, aged 67, has been in power since a coup in 1989.

Mr Bashir has been indicted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes 
and genocide in the Darfur region. He denies the charges.
'No pressure'

Mr Abdelati, a member of Sudan's ruling National Congress Party (NCP), made 
comments about Mr Bashir's decision not to seek re-election during interviews 
with foreign news agencies in Khartoum.

"I can confirm, 100%, that Bashir is not going to run for president in the next 
election. He will actually give a chance to different personalities to compete 
for the position," Mr Abdelati told the AFP news agency.

"But he is not under pressure... This is not in the context of the change that 
is happening in the Arab world. It is happening because of the political 
strategy of the NCP to broaden participation," he added.

Mr Bashir himself has not publicly spoken about his political future.

Last week, Mr Bashir reportedly told his party that he may step down if the NCP 
adopted a retirement age of 60 for people holding major political posts.

However, the opposition played down the move, saying it was simply an attempt 
by the government to head off potential mass protests - similar to those that 
have swept the region.

Mr Bashir won last April's presidential election, which was marred by 
accusations of fraud and an opposition boycott.






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