Re: [proletar] MUI nixes Christmas for SBY

2012-12-26 Terurut Topik suryana
Anda ternyata selain picik, hina juga gobloknya minta ampun, emang Jusuf 
Kala orang bodoh, apa keluarga Gusdur bukan Muslim, dan masih banyak lagi 
tokoh tokoh sampai Presiden pun tetap memberi ucapan selamat Natal, malah 
ikut prosesi Natal, demikian juga dengan Gusdur ikut prosesi Natalan, malah 
ikut pidato segala.

Anda selain goblok juga hina dan nista cuhhh
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[proletar] MUI nixes Christmas for SBY

2012-12-25 Terurut Topik itemabu2
MUI ngelarang orang Islam ngucapin selamat natal ke orang Kristen, dan jg
ngelarang ikut menghadiri acara Natal.

Jadi apa alasan orang2 Islam di milis ini ngucapin selamat natal ke orang
kristen? Apa orang Islam di milis ini lbh ngerti Islam dibandingkan dgn
ulama2 MUI?

Ah, mungkin itu sekedar majikan sedang ngelus2 kepala anjing buduk piaraan
mereka spt Teddy dan suryana, atau sedang berjihad ngibul di jalan auloh.



 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/12/24/mui-nixes-christmas-sby.html


 MUI nixes Christmas for SBY
Rabby Pramudatama, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Headlines | Mon, December 24
2012, 10:17 AM



Conservative Muslim leaders are not stopping with edicts forbidding Muslims
from wishing Christians a Merry Christmas. Now they want the President not
to attend any observation of the holiday in an official or personal
capacity.

A representative of the Indonesia Ulema Council (MUI) renewed on Sunday an
edict (fatwa) forbidding Muslims from extending holiday greetings to
Christians and said that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono had to skip a
national Christmas celebration scheduled for Dec. 27.

“If you talk about the MUI edict, it forbids attendance at the [Christmas]
rituals. A Muslim should not attend the ritual, because it is a part of
worship activities that should only be attended by Christians,” Ma’ruf
Amin, the council’s deputy chairman, told The Jakarta Post on Sunday.

Ma’ruf said that Yudhoyono, as a Muslim, should not attend the national
Christmas celebration, which he said would contain a Christian religious
element.

Yudhoyono and Vice President Boediono, who is also a Muslim, are among the
top officials who are scheduled to attend the national Christmas
celebration. Religious Affairs Minister Suryadharma Ali joined the
President and Vice President during a similar national observance in 2011.

Several Muslim organizations have echoed the MUI’s call. The United
Indonesian Muslims (Persis), for example, said that it was inappropriate
for the President to attend the national Christmas celebration.

“Even though they are the country’s leaders, they are forbidden to attend
such Christmas celebrations,” Persis chairman Maman Abdurrahman said, as
quoted by the website of conservative Muslim organization Hizbut Tahrir
Indonesia’s (HTI).

Maman said that Yudhoyono and Boediono should instead order officials from
the Religious Ministry’s Protestant and Catholic directorate to come to
attend the event on their behalf.

Separately, the infamous hard-line Islam Defenders Front (FPI) said that
Yudhoyono and Boediono would “undermine” Islam if they decided to attend
the celebration.

Muchsin Ahmad Alatas, the head of the FPI’s campaign division, advised the
President and Vice President not to attend the celebration. “They decided
to attend the program because they don’t have sufficient understanding of
Islam,” Muchsin said. “They should have consulted with people who
understand Islam better before making their decision.”

Muchsin said that Yudhoyono should ignore Christians in favor of the
nation’s Muslims. “People will understand his decision, because he will
have respected the feelings of the [nation’s] majority-Muslim population.”

“If the President shows up, it means that state affairs take precedence
over his faith,” he said.

However, representatives of several moderate Muslim groups have disagreed
with the conservative groups.

“Wishing Christians a merry Christmas is one form of tolerance between
people of different faiths,” Salahuddin Wahid, a noted leader of Nahdlatul
Ulama (NU), the nation’s largest Muslim social organization, said as quoted
tempo.co.

Salahuddin said that an interfaith exchange of Christmas greetings was
similar to saying “Happy Birthday” or “Happy New Year” — neither of which
was forbidden by Islam, according to Salahuddin.

Din Syamsuddin, the chairman of Muhammadiyah, the nation’s second-largest
Muslim social organization, agreed, previously saying that he regularly
exchanged Christmas wishes with Christian friends, which he considered only
greetings.

While conservative Muslims in Indonesia have attempted to make interfaith
Christmas greetings an issue for several years, Muslims in other nations no
longer have such concerns.

In some parts of the Islamic world, Muslims say “Merry Christmas” and join
celebrations. Some Muslim political leaders have even attended Christmas
services to strengthen interfaith ties.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, for instance, regularly joins annual
Christmas services in Bethlehem, while the leaders and the rank-and-file
members of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood joined annual Christmas services at a
Coptic Christian church in Cairo in 2011.

Ma’aruf, however, said that Indonesian Muslims should not say Merry
Christmas. “It is still a debate. They would be better of not doing that.” *
(riz)*


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