Re: [proletar] France - no wisdom on migrants
Multikulturalisme di Australia hingga sekarang saya lihat memang berhasil menyerap berbagai arus migran... Itali, Kroat, Tionghoa, Vietnam dll. Dengan catatan: yang bikin onar di Australia sekarang ini boleh dibilang cuma orang Islam. On 14 Nov 2005, at 18:38, teddysrachman wrote: November 15, 2005 The social ills in France do not prove multiculturalism fails - they don't have such a thing, writes Gerard Henderson. BEWARE a Frenchman bearing advice on social order. On 60 Minutes last Sunday, Peter Overton interviewed Dominique Moisi about the civil disorder that began in north-east Paris more than two weeks ago and which has spread to other cities, including Lyons and Marseilles. He is a commentator, academic and senior adviser to the French Institute of International Relations. At the end of the interview, Overton asked Professor Moisi whether recent events in France had provided a warning for Australia as well. He replied: Oh yes. The message for Australia is the message, I'd say, for any country in the world that has large immigrant populations that are not fully integrated. Listen to these people, engage in permanent dialogue with them. Do not allow them to feel alienated in your society. Don't create monsters by your indifference. No doubt Moisi is well meaning. Moreover, in the present climate in France, he is a voice for moderation against the ideology of Jean-Marie Le Pen and his supporters in the extreme right National Front. Yet, to Australians, Moisi's message is confusing. France practises integration with respect to its ethnic minorities, from North Africa and Arab nations, in the sense that the French do not formally recognise their existence. Australia is different. Under the governments led by Gough Whitlam, Malcolm Fraser, Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, Australia has preferred multiculturalism to integration. As John Howard made clear on 60 Minutes on Sunday, he does not particularly like the word multicultural. Yet his Government has advocated a policy, which the Prime Minister prefers to call Australian multiculturalism, which is not dramatically different from that of its predecessors. There has been misunderstanding in Australia about successive French governments, socialist and conservative. Such commentators as the journalist Piers Akerman and the broadcaster Alan Jones have interpreted the unrest in France as providing a warning to Australia that multiculturalism does not work. The essential point is that multiculturalism has never been tried in France. On the contrary, France's problems are a manifestation of the failure of its flawed attempt at integration over half a century or so. Anyone who has residence in France is expected to act like the French. There is no public recognition that immigrants to France - or their children or grandchildren - might like to preserve part of their ethnic culture or native language or that this might benefit France. There is no French equivalent of SBS and there are few government sponsored organisations for inter-ethnic dialogue. It's a case of when in France do as the French do. As a result French authorities do not even monitor the results of population movements in the nation. For example, it is all but impossible to imagine the publication in France of a book similar to The Australian People (CUP, 2001), edited by James Jupp and funded by the federal state and territory governments. As Jupp says in his introduction, the emphasis of his encyclopedia is on the ethnic variety of Australia and the role of immigration in building the nation which we have today. Ethnic diversity is rarely discussed in France. At a meeting last year at the Palais de l'Elysee, I asked a French official the accuracy of the prediction that, on present population projections, France would be 50 per cent Muslim by about 2050. In response, there was a blank stare - followed by the advice that these statistics are not collected. In official French parlance, there is no such ethnic identity as French-Algerian or French-Moroccan. Just French-French, so to speak. Certainly, many of France's social problems are a result of its dreadful economic performance, mainly due to France's unwillingness to engage in economic reform as well as its regulated industrial relations system. This protects the employed and former employees on pensions at the expense of those without jobs. Unemployment is 10 per cent while youth unemployment is more than 20 per cent. Unemployment in the public housing areas, where so many French Muslims from North Africa live, is 30 per cent plus. There is another area where the French and Australian immigrant experience differs. In his essay in Leonie Kramer's edited collection The Multicultural Experiment (Macleay Press, 2003), the historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey refers to the bold experiment of encouraging large and inward-looking
Re: [proletar] France - no wisdom on migrants
Multikulturalisme di Australia hingga sekarang saya lihat memang berhasil menyerap berbagai arus migran... Itali, Kroat, Tionghoa, Vietnam dll. Dengan catatan: yang bikin onar di Australia sekarang ini boleh dibilang cuma orang Islam. On 14 Nov 2005, at 18:38, teddysrachman wrote: November 15, 2005 The social ills in France do not prove multiculturalism fails - they don't have such a thing, writes Gerard Henderson. BEWARE a Frenchman bearing advice on social order. On 60 Minutes last Sunday, Peter Overton interviewed Dominique Moisi about the civil disorder that began in north-east Paris more than two weeks ago and which has spread to other cities, including Lyons and Marseilles. He is a commentator, academic and senior adviser to the French Institute of International Relations. At the end of the interview, Overton asked Professor Moisi whether recent events in France had provided a warning for Australia as well. He replied: Oh yes. The message for Australia is the message, I'd say, for any country in the world that has large immigrant populations that are not fully integrated. Listen to these people, engage in permanent dialogue with them. Do not allow them to feel alienated in your society. Don't create monsters by your indifference. No doubt Moisi is well meaning. Moreover, in the present climate in France, he is a voice for moderation against the ideology of Jean-Marie Le Pen and his supporters in the extreme right National Front. Yet, to Australians, Moisi's message is confusing. France practises integration with respect to its ethnic minorities, from North Africa and Arab nations, in the sense that the French do not formally recognise their existence. Australia is different. Under the governments led by Gough Whitlam, Malcolm Fraser, Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, Australia has preferred multiculturalism to integration. As John Howard made clear on 60 Minutes on Sunday, he does not particularly like the word multicultural. Yet his Government has advocated a policy, which the Prime Minister prefers to call Australian multiculturalism, which is not dramatically different from that of its predecessors. There has been misunderstanding in Australia about successive French governments, socialist and conservative. Such commentators as the journalist Piers Akerman and the broadcaster Alan Jones have interpreted the unrest in France as providing a warning to Australia that multiculturalism does not work. The essential point is that multiculturalism has never been tried in France. On the contrary, France's problems are a manifestation of the failure of its flawed attempt at integration over half a century or so. Anyone who has residence in France is expected to act like the French. There is no public recognition that immigrants to France - or their children or grandchildren - might like to preserve part of their ethnic culture or native language or that this might benefit France. There is no French equivalent of SBS and there are few government sponsored organisations for inter-ethnic dialogue. It's a case of when in France do as the French do. As a result French authorities do not even monitor the results of population movements in the nation. For example, it is all but impossible to imagine the publication in France of a book similar to The Australian People (CUP, 2001), edited by James Jupp and funded by the federal state and territory governments. As Jupp says in his introduction, the emphasis of his encyclopedia is on the ethnic variety of Australia and the role of immigration in building the nation which we have today. Ethnic diversity is rarely discussed in France. At a meeting last year at the Palais de l'Elysee, I asked a French official the accuracy of the prediction that, on present population projections, France would be 50 per cent Muslim by about 2050. In response, there was a blank stare - followed by the advice that these statistics are not collected. In official French parlance, there is no such ethnic identity as French-Algerian or French-Moroccan. Just French-French, so to speak. Certainly, many of France's social problems are a result of its dreadful economic performance, mainly due to France's unwillingness to engage in economic reform as well as its regulated industrial relations system. This protects the employed and former employees on pensions at the expense of those without jobs. Unemployment is 10 per cent while youth unemployment is more than 20 per cent. Unemployment in the public housing areas, where so many French Muslims from North Africa live, is 30 per cent plus. There is another area where the French and Australian immigrant experience differs. In his essay in Leonie Kramer's edited collection The Multicultural Experiment (Macleay Press, 2003), the historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey refers to the bold experiment of encouraging large and inward-looking
