Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
In the windows directory (something like C:\WINNT or C:\Windows): CLIENT99SE.rcs -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 4:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Location of custom settings Hi All, Does anybody know the name and location of the file(s) that store custom settings (i.e. toolbars, hotkeys etc..) for PCB and Sch in P99SE? On a couple of occasions, I've had a crash and then restarted to find that all of my custom keys and settings have disappeared! Anyway, as a safety measure, I'd like to back that file up as often as possible. Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. ** ** * Tracking #: 258AF4472C765E4B87C09BB439E6821798D40E90 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
Also, don't forget to back up any custom button bit maps you have made. -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 4:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Location of custom settings Hi All, Does anybody know the name and location of the file(s) that store custom settings (i.e. toolbars, hotkeys etc..) for PCB and Sch in P99SE? On a couple of occasions, I've had a crash and then restarted to find that all of my custom keys and settings have disappeared! Anyway, as a safety measure, I'd like to back that file up as often as possible. Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. ** ** * Tracking #: 258AF4472C765E4B87C09BB439E6821798D40E90 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
One more file you probably should back up (it's in the windows directory again): Client99SE.INI This stores allot of info including, the colour pallet colours you have chosen. -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 4:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Location of custom settings Hi All, Does anybody know the name and location of the file(s) that store custom settings (i.e. toolbars, hotkeys etc..) for PCB and Sch in P99SE? On a couple of occasions, I've had a crash and then restarted to find that all of my custom keys and settings have disappeared! Anyway, as a safety measure, I'd like to back that file up as often as possible. Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. ** ** * Tracking #: 258AF4472C765E4B87C09BB439E6821798D40E90 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
I think it's client99se.rcs, but to be safe, backup all the client99se.* files. Tony -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 11:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Location of custom settings Hi All, Does anybody know the name and location of the file(s) that store custom settings (i.e. toolbars, hotkeys etc..) for PCB and Sch in P99SE? On a couple of occasions, I've had a crash and then restarted to find that all of my custom keys and settings have disappeared! Anyway, as a safety measure, I'd like to back that file up as often as possible. Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * Tracking #: 258AF4472C765E4B87C09BB439E6821798D40E90 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
Re: [PEDA] Location of custom settings
On 03:41 PM 29/07/2002 +0930, Terry Creer said: Hi All, Does anybody know the name and location of the file(s) that store custom settings (i.e. toolbars, hotkeys etc..) for PCB and Sch in P99SE? On a couple of occasions, I've had a crash and then restarted to find that all of my custom keys and settings have disappeared! Anyway, as a safety measure, I'd like to back that file up as often as possible. Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. This is discussed often - have a look in the archive for other threads on this subject. basically - in the Windows install directory you will find a number of ini files and rcs files. The ini files are important when you have custom servers installed and you have customised things like colours. The RCS files are where toolbars, menus and key shortcuts stored. They are all text files - have a look in them and other obvious (by name) files in the windows install folder and you should be able to figure it out. I think there may be a KB item for backing up customisations on the Protel KB - have a look there. Ian Wilson * Tracking #: 73D0DDC9F6A14042B7B00B3B7DCAC6D8BE3CAB99 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
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Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
Hello all, I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no difference. Has anybody else had it working yet? Steve. -Original Message- From: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. * Tracking #: 0D8460D751B4004394F2F90517FF6A020DBE279A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. Metric values entered are auto converted to imp units after they are saved. Once in PCB and converted back, you guessed it, 1mm becomes (ex. 1.1 mm) so I think it is fair to assume we can still expect the usual rounding errors in layout throughout. As well as all the other 'LOW' priority things that bug me on a daily basis. But the UI is now nice shiny... Best Regards John A. Ross RSD Communications Ltd 8 BorrowMeadow Road Springkerse Industrial Estate Stirling, Scotland FK7 7UW Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 225 (Office) Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 248 (Lab) Fax +44 [0]1786 474653 GSM +44 [0]7831 373727 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.rsd.tv == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 --_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel DXP? i am surprised that protel itself is not touting more specific feature enhancements maybe they don't know either or maybe they will pull broken features in the interest of shipping so they don't want to say they won't let the beta testers say anything (I am not one, i can say that can't i? or will a jolt from OZ travel up the net and strike me down through my fingertips?) at this stage, with beta just beginning, i would think it will be six months to a year before DXP is more than crashware or vaporware to continue my cynicism this might be a good time for them to start a complete rewrite of DXP! then it might be out timely Dennis Saputelli Yu-Ming Luo wrote: Hi, All, Does any one know what is new in Protel DXP? Does DXP support customized layer pairs? If the special string .Designator and .Comment had been replaced with .Des .Com or not, as someone had suggested before. I've expected these features for so long. Best Regards, Luo. ** ** * Tracking #: 496D2441F1D70F46BB1E0DE93F05F8A7B9C1C50A * ** ** -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 --_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3DContent-Type CONTENT=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Dbig5 META NAME=3DGenerator CONTENT=3DMS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2653.12 TITLEAltium Release Protel DXP (RE: [PEDA] What is new in protel = DXP?)/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2Now, I have got it./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2Visit www.protel.com for detail./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Dennis Saputelli [A = HREF=3Dmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:dsicon @integrate= dcontrolsinc.com/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:56 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Protel EDA Forum/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel = DXP?/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2i am surprised that protel itself is not touting more = specific feature/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2enhancements/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2maybe they don't know either or maybe they will pull = broken features in/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2the interest of shipping so they don't want to = say/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2they won't let the beta testers say anything (I am = not one, i can say/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2that can't i? /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2or will a jolt from OZ travel up the net and strike = me down through my/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2fingertips?)/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2at this stage, with beta just beginning, i would = think it will be six/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2months to a year before DXP is more than crashware = or vaporware/FONT /P PFONT
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
John, I'm glad it works for you. It doesn't work for me yet. I did install to NOT the default install path (I put it in '\altium', rather than '\program files\altium'), so I uninstalled, and then re-installed to the default path, just in case. Anyway, it still doesn't work, which is a shame, as I would love to try it out. Steve. -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 12:39 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. * Tracking #: 818E3996FB41B3A090169FAB27397F0DF461 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best PCB Package to use?
[PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT
Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT. Not a good thing Narinder * Tracking #: 89BC09F23A85664F829A7E06817408992BBB853B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
Guess its still years behind. Just like the matched length capability, kinda like a car that does have a steering wheel but it is for future use only not connected to anything. There to say we can steer a car but at some later date. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: John Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. Metric values entered are auto converted to imp units after they are saved. Once in PCB and converted back, you guessed it, 1mm becomes (ex. 1.1 mm) so I think it is fair to assume we can still expect the usual rounding errors in layout throughout. As well as all the other 'LOW' priority things that bug me on a daily basis. But the UI is now nice shiny... Best Regards John A. Ross RSD Communications Ltd 8 BorrowMeadow Road Springkerse Industrial Estate Stirling, Scotland FK7 7UW Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 225 (Office) Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 248 (Lab) Fax +44 [0]1786 474653 GSM +44 [0]7831 373727 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.rsd.tv == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 --_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel DXP? i am surprised that protel itself is not touting more specific feature enhancements maybe they don't know either or maybe they will pull broken features in the interest of shipping so they don't want to say they won't let the beta testers say anything (I am not one, i can say that can't i? or will a jolt from OZ travel up the net and strike me down through my fingertips?) at this stage, with beta just beginning, i would think it will be six months to a year before DXP is more than crashware or vaporware to continue my cynicism this might be a good time for them to start a complete rewrite of DXP! then it might be out timely Dennis Saputelli Yu-Ming Luo wrote: Hi, All, Does any one know what is new in Protel DXP? Does DXP support customized layer pairs? If the special string .Designator and .Comment had been replaced with .Des .Com or not, as someone had suggested before. I've expected these features for so long. Best Regards, Luo. ** ** * Tracking #: 496D2441F1D70F46BB1E0DE93F05F8A7B9C1C50A * ** ** -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western Canada? Thanks, Shawn * Tracking #: 4A26D7110B67AF448F4382FAB34CE7A0E5DC0D5A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Shawn, here is the proto house that I have used for years for all of my general and multi-layer prototype needs. Note: they are a proto shop only, but do have associations for supplying production quantity boards as well. Also they do not have deep gold capabilities if that was a requirement. Omnigraphics #2 - 12760 Bathgate Way Richmond BC Canada V6V 1Z4 Voice · 604.276.9717 Fax · 604.276.2514 Email · [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omnigraph.com/ Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western Canada? Thanks, Shawn * Tracking #: C1856368FD96084DAACF3D5E994D7ADD2EDD0C0E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
See comments added below... - Original Message - From: Fabian Hartery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. Joel, I will jump in to the fire on this one to say that 99SE is completely stable on my machine. On the P-CAD subject, I hate it's ridiculous library management regime that requires a pristene netlist before design work can go to the circuit board level. The number of short cuts that must be remembered to become proficent in this package is unbearable. Like Tony, I am a one man designer that has to emcompass all this own design support. That is where the DDB design does not have me running all over the place to track the proper libraries with an archived design. I am not a all-in-one, concept to design to production engineer. I am a CAD designer with a specialty in PCB Layout. I have worked with SEVERAL non-PCB CAD packages. NONE, that is right, NONE of which have been nearly as tempermental as any of the PCB layout packages. Now, that having been said... 99SE is most certainly a step (albeit a somewhat slight step) above the package I developed my skills on, P-CAD 8.5. I am not going to go into the facts in great detail. But only to say that 99SE has made my life easier in some, perhaps even many regards and left me with some completely different concerns than those I had when using 8.5. When I see reports like all was well and then cames Protel, I kindly ask to see a listing of software packages that have been installed, provided that this comment it is not taken as a request for personal intrusion. I have heard of the potential for some programs to possess memory leaks and from writing code, I know of it's existence. So... some programs never really shutdown ! I can't blame Altium for someone else's slop. As to this comment... I haven't a problem with listing the software that I originally installed on my PC. However to question the trustworthiness of my statement, this I find a bit insulting. To say the very least! Prog's as follows: (in order of installation) ~Win 98SE ~Office 2000 ~AutoCAD 2002 ~Steinberg Cubase 5 (music creation s'ware) ~Maya ~Traktor DJ (music manipulation s'ware) ~Palm Synch ~WinMX 3.22 (PNP s'ware) before this is attacked as the problem, incoming files are stored to CD not HD. ~Zone Alarm Pro ~Deep Paint ~Photoshop 7.0 ~Acrobat 5 ~WinCDR In a similar light, I once installed some Norton stuff. When I let it self configure my system for maximum performance it trashed my system into the dirt. Virus scan managers are yet another pox as they hide in sweet memory locations. Since Protel is a CPU intensive package, dingling around in the background is not appreciated by this s/w. I can make my machine easily hang if I keep ump-deen windows open and try to click at them as fast as can. I simply chose to let Protel do it's job first. I maintain my system myself. I know that anytime I allow a s'ware package to configure my system it will configure with complete bias to the package that was allow to do so. Thank you for the input nonetheless. As to keeping windows open and the ability to make a machine hang-up... I have yet to have to open 99SE on this PC (aside from confirming the install) and it was only after I had installed 99SE that I got a blue screen. Argue this all you choose. The fact remains. I could run my DJ s'ware while doing animation in Maya without any problems. That is no longer the case. And the only thing that changed was the addition of 99SE and SP6. The mouse problem stated here seems to be a Microsoft problem. Protel's creation was before that time. What came first ? The car or petrol ? I accept to get the best out of Protel I have to use compatible video cards and mice. When an ATI card gave me a headache, I used a Matrox G550 and was laughing again. Sig I really hate to see whining on this list. With no antaganism meant, if Protel is a problem, it is only logical to try a different CAD package. I have configured my work PC according to the non-standard established by Protel and have gotten the problems to a tolerable minimum. They do exist even after making my machine fit the s'ware. And whining? Perhaps Sir, if you've elected to view my inputs as whining instead of the original intent, (being only to share my what I have encountered while I have been a user of a s'ware package for which we all use and few of us understand entirely) you should look within your understanding of the purpose of this group. Not to mention taking a closer look at the content of my original writings. And had I not already invested several thousand dollars and hours into this package, then perhaps another CAD package would be the answer... But those matters, Mr. Hartery, would in fact make such a statement on your part completely illogical and quite unfounded. Being as you haven't the knowledge of my system, software,
Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT
Does this mean Protel just isn't optimized for NT or it won't run at all under NT? Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT. Not a good thing Narinder * Tracking #: 77C0DF4DB6C1404298A8B0FBC834C8442EA5C4EB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
What OS are you running? -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP John, I'm glad it works for you. It doesn't work for me yet. I did install to NOT the default install path (I put it in '\altium', rather than '\program files\altium'), so I uninstalled, and then re-installed to the default path, just in case. Anyway, it still doesn't work, which is a shame, as I would love to try it out. Steve. -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 12:39 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. * Tracking #: 818E3996FB41B3A090169FAB27397F0DF461 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
Tony, I'm running Win2K, SP2. John sent me an email - he's running the same as me. It'll be some weird incompatibility, but I haven't got time to mess about with it at the moment. Steve. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 17:28 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP What OS are you running? * Tracking #: 74357A17FDCE444DA497F7899782449C240B183D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
W2K SP2, I beleive Steve is the same? Best Regards John A. Ross -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What OS are you running? -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] John, I'm glad it works for you. It doesn't work for me yet. -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. * Tracking #: 94AF0485F0A1494CB08FAA44E2D29DBB88543F2E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT
Yes It won't run at all under NT? I got a quotation for DXP from Protel it say Working with Windows 2000 and XP only Narinder - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT Does this mean Protel just isn't optimized for NT or it won't run at all under NT? Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT. Not a good thing Narinder * Tracking #: 77C0DF4DB6C1404298A8B0FBC834C8442EA5C4EB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best PCB Package to use?
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Have you tried Enigma, http://www.enigmacorp.com/ Daniel -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western Canada? Thanks, Shawn * Tracking #: 4A26D7110B67AF448F4382FAB34CE7A0E5DC0D5A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Hello all, I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no difference. Has anybody else had it working yet? Steve. -Original Message- From: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. * Tracking #: 0D8460D751B4004394F2F90517FF6A020DBE279A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
PADS 5.0? - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Hello all, I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no difference. Has anybody else had it working yet? Steve. -Original Message- From: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. * Tracking #: 0D8460D751B4004394F2F90517FF6A020DBE279A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
Brian, My install was OK and it is running fine (till I got peeved about the metric support and stopped playing), but Steve's install failed. Both were on W2K Sp2 So you have 50/50 chance if its the d/l or the environment that was the problem. Best Regards John A. Ross -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 19:54 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Hello all, I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no difference. Has anybody else had it working yet? Steve. -Original Message- From: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. ** ** * Tracking #: 0D8460D751B4004394F2F90517FF6A020DBE279A * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
One small warning about Enigma, they state casually that they ...normally plate 1 ounze copper. Understand that this comment actually means that they ONLY plate 1 ounce copper. They absolutely will not plate any copper weight but 1 ounce. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:35 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Have you tried Enigma, http://www.enigmacorp.com/ Daniel * Tracking #: 8BBD03E666803B42B6C6CAC20CF3AF2658BEB855 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
-Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) PADS 5.0? You may joke, I keep one seat PPCB/Plogic and at least v5 d/l worked out the box and metric support is OK. (still peeved at metric support being snubbed) John - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. * Tracking #: 96E6BD1E49EBFE4194D31771C0AE98216DE0107B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
I still can't stop laughing.. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: John Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Brian, My install was OK and it is running fine (till I got peeved about the metric support and stopped playing), but Steve's install failed. Both were on W2K Sp2 So you have 50/50 chance if its the d/l or the environment that was the problem. Best Regards John A. Ross -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 19:54 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Hello all, I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no difference. Has anybody else had it working yet? Steve. -Original Message- From: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. ** ** * Tracking #: 0D8460D751B4004394F2F90517FF6A020DBE279A * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT
I'd download or otherwise get the 30 days trial and try it under NT. Feedback appreciated. Rene Narinder Kumar wrote: Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT. Not a good thing * Tracking #: 6392CE9BDA5C8C4588C3F88E6FCEA708D463EE6A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
John, I'm with you on the metric thing. Tim -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) PADS 5.0? You may joke, I keep one seat PPCB/Plogic and at least v5 d/l worked out the box and metric support is OK. (still peeved at metric support being snubbed) John - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. * Tracking #: 96E6BD1E49EBFE4194D31771C0AE98216DE0107B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
I joke not I was just trying to get the download from PADS and their server chocked I have been out of work for a bit and need to get reacquainted with PADS because here in NE there is a microcosm of users that use Protel and It was great while it lasted and better than PADS however I need to get back to work and will have to back to the hammer and chisel approach I used it for over 8 years before switching to Protel. I disliked it then and will. Similarly for AutoCAD, however it is entrenched an I can do nothing about that, looks like I will need to refamiliarize myself with both. - Original Message - From: John Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) PADS 5.0? You may joke, I keep one seat PPCB/Plogic and at least v5 d/l worked out the box and metric support is OK. (still peeved at metric support being snubbed) John - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try. * Tracking #: 96E6BD1E49EBFE4194D31771C0AE98216DE0107B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
Please See my comments below: As to this comment... I haven't a problem with listing the software that I originally installed on my PC. However to question the trustworthiness of my statement, this I find a bit insulting. To say the very least! Prog's as follows: (in order of installation) ~Win 98SE ~Office 2000 Joel, my comments were meant to be 'anti-inflamatory'. I apologize to any offence taken. No one who has ever reported problems to this group has reported a complete system set-up to my knowledge. Personally, I think that it is 'none of my business that' I know your s/w configuration. Since you have freely disclosed this information, it might trigger an insightful thought from some one within this group. For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to launch a processes at every boot. A friend who had a similar problem commented that it was a license server being launched on his machine. However, the applications s/w was no longer in existence. With another NT problem, using service pack 6 crippled my machine on a large job due to a extraordinary number of page faults being generated. A slow machine, a lousey video card did not help. I retreated to SP5 and I managed to finish that job after getting a G550 that worked 'ok'. I maintain my system myself. I know that anytime I allow a s'ware package to configure my system it will configure with complete bias to the package that was allow to do so. Thank you for the input nonetheless. As to keeping windows open and the ability to make a machine hang-up... I have yet to have to open 99SE on this PC (aside from confirming the install) and it was only after I had installed 99SE that I got a blue screen. Argue this all you choose. The fact remains. I could run my DJ s'ware while doing animation in Maya without any problems. That is no longer the case. And the only thing that changed was the addition of 99SE and SP6. While the IT people govern my machine at work, I am not foreign to building a system from scratch. My general comment is, Protel is a buss hog and this puts both weight on the buss and the CPU. Protel will cry out if that support disappears under intensive work. And whining? Perhaps Sir, if you've elected to view my inputs as whining instead of the original intent, (being only to share my what I have encountered while I have been a user of a s'ware package for which we all use and few of us understand entirely) you should look within your understanding of the purpose of this group. Not to mention taking a closer look at the content of my original writings. My term 'whining' was not meant towards your problems. The subject of the mouse scenerio and it's Protel's/Microsoft's fault became an exhausting read. Some threads are not solving problems, but otherwise raising the signal to noise ratio of the group. I most think everyone in this group tries to solve problems for others the best way they can. There are alot of helpful posters here. The subject of Dell's and other platforms has come up too. Personally, I like to know what is in the box. While I do run a Dell at work and it seems ok, I have an ASUS board (long in the tooth P5AB) at home, This was purchased in lieu of a researched experience of a friend. The subject of motherboard stabilty and what often works is often trashed out at motherboard websites. I have built computers systems from scratch before. I have seen mother boards which were good and those which are not so stable. I have experienced video card problems and fixed them. In this light, I have accepted the compromise to use compliant hardware to make Protel work better. This is a personal decision some people do not wish to accept. And had I not already invested several thousand dollars and hours into this package, then perhaps another CAD package would be the answer... But those matters, Mr. Hartery, would in fact make such a statement on your part completely illogical and quite unfounded. Being as you haven't the knowledge of my system, software, ablities nor my understanding of the 99SE s'ware at the time in which you made such a ridiculous statement. However, thank you for your suggestion and your personal opinions as they relate to my inputs. I have seen at least one user (with Protel 98) thrash around like a fish out of water. My system, however, was just humming along. I could not relate to his experience. This seems to be the case here. I am sure you would agree, Altium should be more active in debunking your problems when they have seemed to go to the extreme. There should be a recommended piece of benchmark s/w to insure this is the case. I lament for your investment, but in having knowledge of you set-up is something I never did claim. When some of us on this group run reasonably stable platforms and others
Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MADE FOR WINDOWS NT
Microsoft is going to drop support for WinNT this year. You cannot expect any other company to support WinNT any longer. This doesn't mean it is not going to run, consider it a legal quote - meaningless. Even if you have problems with supported OS versions, they're not going to help you. Therefore just give it try. Rene Narinder Kumar wrote: Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT. Not a good thing Narinder * Tracking #: C7ED010890EC1D438A64ED4FBF4C4B89C9A6E69F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Brad: I have them plate 1/2oz copper on a regular basis, and have no problems at all. I have been quite pleased with them. Daniel -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:07 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses One small warning about Enigma, they state casually that they ...normally plate 1 ounze copper. Understand that this comment actually means that they ONLY plate 1 ounce copper. They absolutely will not plate any copper weight but 1 ounce. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:35 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Have you tried Enigma, http://www.enigmacorp.com/ Daniel * Tracking #: 8BBD03E666803B42B6C6CAC20CF3AF2658BEB855 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to Speaking of upgrades breaking things, I once had a machine that would occasionally crash running Protel under Windows 95, and I decided to upgrade it to Windows 2000 that was then in Beta. Windows 2000 died immediately every time. Investigating revealed that I had been using the machine with a SIMM module that had 3 pins not soldered for over a year! I fixed the SIMM and the problems went away. It seems Protel was the only thing under Win95 that actually used the highest blocks of memory, while Windows 2000 used all of memory right away. So sometimes a software problem is really hardware. Rob * Tracking #: C4372B298CC1C64596AFB8AC8ADFCBABB0D01FA5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Thank you Brad and Daniel for the board house recommendations. -Shawn - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Shawn, here is the proto house that I have used for years for all of my general and multi-layer prototype needs. Note: they are a proto shop only, but do have associations for supplying production quantity boards as well. Also they do not have deep gold capabilities if that was a requirement. Omnigraphics #2 - 12760 Bathgate Way Richmond BC Canada V6V 1Z4 Voice 604.276.9717 Fax 604.276.2514 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omnigraph.com/ Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western Canada? Thanks, Shawn * Tracking #: C1856368FD96084DAACF3D5E994D7ADD2EDD0C0E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Shawn, Your welcome. Here is some further info. Daniel and I had a discussion offline about my comments on copper plating limitations at Enigma. Seems that Daniel says he receives boards with platings that I was told they couldn't (or more correctly, wouldn't) do. So my comments may not be pertinent. If you query Enigma about that issue then you can maybe answer us back with some final word. I know that they have two shops, Washington State and B.C., maybe there is some difference there and for one reason or another my boards were destined for the shop that only did 1 oz. copper plating. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:17 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Thank you Brad and Daniel for the board house recommendations. -Shawn * Tracking #: 75C02969EABC0844834E305E61C2444A6749D4E6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to Speaking of upgrades breaking things, I once had a machine that would occasionally crash running Protel under Windows 95, and I decided to upgrade it to Windows 2000 that was then in Beta. Windows 2000 died immediately every time. Investigating revealed that I had been using the machine with a SIMM module that had 3 pins not soldered for over a year! I fixed the SIMM and the problems went away. It seems Protel was the only thing under Win95 that actually used the highest blocks of memory, while Windows 2000 used all of memory right away. So sometimes a software problem is really hardware. I think there is really a LOT more of this going on than people are aware of. I had an experience very early in my migration to Linux that brought this out. Long before that, I was in the middle of my biggest PCB design up to that time, using the last DOS version of Accel's Tango PCB. Things started going wrong faster than I could fix them, ie. half the board being lost when you closed and reopened the file, etc. So, I switched to Protel, which we had been evaluating for a while. I finished that project, and eventually the computer was retired to my basement. I tried to fire up Linux on it to experiment, and compiles of the kernel would consistantly quit with a signal 11, which is basically traceable to a bad page table lookup. Another identical motherboard worked fine. Obviously, I had been running Windows 3.1 and PCB cad software for several years on bad hardware! And, I'd been blaming the software for all of it. (Yes, the repeatable bugs I had with Tango WERE the software, I still remember how to make the program malfunction in about 5 keystrokes!) Jon * Tracking #: 7F3FE30AF03A314B9082E4D28B701C9B14E596D5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
just to clarify terms here don't you really mean 'starting weight' 1oz copper not '1 oz plating'? 1/2 oz starting wt is used for finer pitch and lines and 2 oz for some power applications the traditional tin lead plating is in addition to that Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Shawn, Your welcome. Here is some further info. Daniel and I had a discussion offline about my comments on copper plating limitations at Enigma. Seems that Daniel says he receives boards with platings that I was told they couldn't (or more correctly, wouldn't) do. So my comments may not be pertinent. If you query Enigma about that issue then you can maybe answer us back with some final word. I know that they have two shops, Washington State and B.C., maybe there is some difference there and for one reason or another my boards were destined for the shop that only did 1 oz. copper plating. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:17 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses Thank you Brad and Daniel for the board house recommendations. -Shawn * Tracking #: 75C02969EABC0844834E305E61C2444A6749D4E6 * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
So the saga continues. You can bet their sales guys are happy. They have new shiny interface to sell. Gether all you vain engineers. There are new glass perls and DXP mirrors in the shop. Igor -Original Message- From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 9:39 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP Just D/L it Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives layout. First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH their translation in 98/99/SE was years behind anyone else. Metric values entered are auto converted to imp units after they are saved. Once in PCB and converted back, you guessed it, 1mm becomes (ex. 1.1 mm) so I think it is fair to assume we can still expect the usual rounding errors in layout throughout. As well as all the other 'LOW' priority things that bug me on a daily basis. But the UI is now nice shiny... Best Regards John A. Ross RSD Communications Ltd 8 BorrowMeadow Road Springkerse Industrial Estate Stirling, Scotland FK7 7UW Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 225 (Office) Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 248 (Lab) Fax +44 [0]1786 474653 GSM +44 [0]7831 373727 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.rsd.tv == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2002 11:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 --_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Now, I have got it. Visit www.protel.com for detail. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel DXP? i am surprised that protel itself is not touting more specific feature enhancements maybe they don't know either or maybe they will pull broken features in the interest of shipping so they don't want to say they won't let the beta testers say anything (I am not one, i can say that can't i? or will a jolt from OZ travel up the net and strike me down through my fingertips?) at this stage, with beta just beginning, i would think it will be six months to a year before DXP is more than crashware or vaporware to continue my cynicism this might be a good time for them to start a complete rewrite of DXP! then it might be out timely Dennis Saputelli Yu-Ming Luo wrote: Hi, All, Does any one know what is new in Protel DXP? Does DXP support customized layer pairs? If the special string .Designator and .Comment had been replaced with .Des .Com or not, as someone had suggested before. I've expected these features for so long. Best Regards, Luo. ** ** * Tracking #: 496D2441F1D70F46BB1E0DE93F05F8A7B9C1C50A * ** ** -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 --_=_NextPart_001_01C236E6.C50EBA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3DContent-Type CONTENT=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Dbig5 META NAME=3DGenerator CONTENT=3DMS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2653.12 TITLEAltium Release Protel DXP (RE: [PEDA] What is new in protel = DXP?)/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2Now, I have got it./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2Visit www.protel.com for detail./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Dennis Saputelli [A = HREF=3Dmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:dsicon @integrate= dcontrolsinc.com/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:56 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Protel EDA Forum/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel = DXP?/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2i am surprised that protel itself is not touting more = specific feature/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2enhancements/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2maybe they don't know either or maybe they will pull = broken features in/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2the interest of shipping so they don't want to = say/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2they won't let the beta testers say anything (I am = not one, i can say/FONT BRFONT
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:39:09 +0100, John A. Ross wrote: Just D/L it So did I. My impressions after 30 minutes 1. Major Major cosmetic surgery. 2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error - not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xxx). 3. Design databases appear to have vanished (although libraries still seem to be held in access databases). I seem to remember the early bumph about DX offering a choice of design storage - I assumed the two existing systems and a less screwed up version of the existing file system database. All that you get is a (hopefully) less screwed up version of the existing file system database. ... about 10 minutes playing later Hmmm you get a crippled version of the existing file system database - It seems that DXP projects can only hold Protel (or Tasking or whoever that HLD place they bought out is) files and .TXT files. Add a .PDF file to the project and it opens with the PCB editor - personally I think this is a huge step backwards. The idea of 99SE as a design explorer - a container for and interface to all files associated with a design was great, a great idea with crap OLE and Access database implementation. Now Protel has thrown the baby out with the bath water. DXP looks like an overly complicated IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for the set of more or less unrelated Altium tools. Who the hell wants to write a C or C++ embedded application in the same IDE you (or more likely someone else) draws schematics and lays out PCBS? The scope for integration of these tools is limited and Protel's track record for integrating such things is lousy. I notice all the PLD stuff is present (apart from the missing bits which are probably still missing) complete with a 6 year old DOS executable. Do you think it will work in DXP - like only 4-5 years after becoming obsolete? The previous simulator got scrapped before Protel ever got it working. 4. Version control - a big cop out. Says it supports Microsoft SCC version control interface specification (which means it will probably work with Microsoft Visual Source Safe and nothing else). They scrapped the Access database which lets you use a file based version control system and put in few trivial hooks to call it. A useful version control system needs diff, and you can't diff Protel file formats with a 3rd party tool. DXP has some kind of new compare engine but I didn't see anything to suggest this would help manage versions in a VCS. 5. It looks like there is lots of new (and probably welcome) stuff in the core tools (PCB, and SCH) but I didn't look at them much yet - got too hung up trying to convert a file system based project. So far so bad - I hope the improvements in the core tools are good enough to carry the rest of the crap that comes with them and I assume it would be smart not to use it till SP1 anyway, and then is it worth the upgrade price? So far I am dubious about upgrading even if it were free. Cheers, Terry. * Tracking #: 05D05B0D3DB9D241BE44EE98E34069D46FD1F2AC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Re[2]: Altium Release Protel DXP
Just D/L it I've got about 80% of it so far, not all of us have cable or DSL (yet). :( 2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error - not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xxx). IW Yep. How did you get it? I am also curious about what happened to cause this? Product stability (any corrupted work and/or exception errors) and the capabilities of the new router are key for me... While I'm waiting for my other 18% to finish downloading...anyone turned the new router loose on a real world design yet, any feedback as far as the results? Thanks, ---Phil * Tracking #: 0140581EB10E224B8DD36F6E6117E893C933A313 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
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Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
On 12:02 PM 30/07/2002 +0800, =?big5?B?Ikx1bywgWXUtTWluZyAow7mlya/6IElBQy1OKSI=?= said: How to do a global edit in dxp? A few things to get *very* familiar with: 1) The navigator panel - once you have a filtered selection use the navigator. 2) The concept of filters and filtering - browse all the filter scopes and then start to think like an expert in boolean logic. 3) Investigate the filter like this functionality (on the right-click menu). Something else I think that will deserve some thought is the difference between selected and focussed (in P99SE) and the alternative in DXP. Ian Wilson * Tracking #: 3BF86CBDDFB5924A893218DAE8029DDD20081EDD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:41:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: 2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error - not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xxx). Yep. How did you get it? Trying to find out where schematic ERC had gone which I assume is now somewhere in the process of 'compiling'. In the Navigator panel navigating schematic violations clicking on a 'Related object' gave an access violation. I just loaded that project again to check on what things were called and it gave and access violation with the first click in the Navigator panel. I haven't figured out quite how the navigator is supposed to work but it seems pretty clunky. 3. Design databases appear to have vanished (although libraries still seem to be held in access databases). I seem to remember the early bumph about DX offering a choice of design storage - I assumed the two existing systems and a less screwed up version of the existing file system database. I think this is due to the problems of making the DDB (actually JET DB files) work under version control. If the view is taken that version control is of increasing importance, and the DDB can not be made to work effectively within a VCS, then maybe the decision to dump the DDB is understandable. I guess I will miss it for a while at least, if I make the move to DXP. I know many of us have been wanting good VCS integration and many others did not like the DDB at all. Maybe the union of these two groups is more than 50% of users? Dunno. I always said the Access design database was a dumb idea. The design explorer was a good idea, almost all my projects have non-Protel files in the Design database. I was hoping DXP would make design explorer really work like windows explorer (instead of just pretending) and get rid of the OLE embedding (which was only there because 3rd party applications can't open files inside an Access database). But that's history now and anyone with OLE objects in their file system databases can look forward to tedious manual conversion from OLE and having to browse their projects with Windows explorer *and* design explorer. I don't actually know if the supplied Access database conversion converts embedded OLE objects either. 4. Version control - a big cop out. Says it supports Microsoft SCC version control interface specification (which means it will probably work with Microsoft Visual Source Safe and nothing else). They scrapped the Access database which lets you use a file based version control system and put in few trivial hooks to call it. A useful version control system needs diff, and you can't diff Protel file formats with a 3rd party tool. DXP has some kind of new compare engine but I didn't see anything to suggest this would help manage versions in a VCS. It works with others. I have Perforce going and DXP seems to access that OK. There are SCC add-ons for all the normal version control systems as well. Well maybe my idea of version control differs from the norm - I use RCS for software projects from the command line. I mostly keep real 'versions' in the system - only versions which I may need to reproduce or be documented because they were issued or released to someone for testing. Occasionally I will check in if I get to a point I might want to revert to but I don't check in and out every time I edit a file (producing a zillion minor versions). Being able to check in and out from the editor I'm using isn't a big deal for me because I just don't do it that often (I never bothered to integrated RCS in my editor which is supposed to support it). I don't use VCS for non-text files, there isn't much benefit, you can't diff them so just zip them with version in the file name and add comment. Protel ditched the Access database which was a good idea regardless of VCS and hooking a 3rd party VCS into DXP is not much work and not that much benefit. A while ago a place I used to work at were talking about a VCS on Mentor systems. They were saying you could highlight a schematic or PCB diff on screen and apply or remove it step by step with the cursor keys or mouse or something. The engineer responsible for the design could come along and check in a few minutes what the draughtsman had done in the last day or two, then he could approve it by swiping his card through a reader on the machine. More like ECO management, but then version A with ECO x,and y becomes version B. A CAD VCS needs viewable diffs, and/or ECO management, not just a storage system with enforced naming conventions and enforced commenting. That is why I call what DXP has a cop out. Me thinks there will be a deal more discussion on this line over the next few weeks. I'm sure - but it isn't going to change anything soon - the only question for most of us is do we want DXP instead of 99SE and if so do we want it as much as the upgrade price. I remember some of the promises about DXP that were on the Protel web site,
