Re: [PEDA] Viewing a mirroed bottom layer and other layers
- Original Message - From: "Trent Bates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: [PEDA] Viewing a mirroed bottom layer and other layers > I use Protel 99SE. > Is it possible to view different layers and turn different layers on and > off. I know that by pressing +S, I will view only the current layer > but its it possible to select which layers are being viewed. For example > when looking at my top layer I would like to see the Top layer and the Top > Layer overlay . > > Also is it possible to flip the board around and view the bottom layer as if > it were the top. Once I fabricate and start troubleshooting the PCB I would > like to be able to view what I have in real life. When I am looking at the > top layer on my PCB I am looking at my top layer in Protel and when I filp > my PCB around and look at the bottom layer I want to be able flip my view > around in Protel so that I see the bottom of the board. I no longer want to > see a mirrored version. > > This stuff is not critical but it would be a nice to have. This is > especially true when I am working with very dense boards. Take a look at QualECAD View3D: http://www.qualecad.com : * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Printer Driver (was - Protel EDA Forum... wasadjacent component placement D XP)
Writing Window's device drivers from scratch is hard (much, much harder than for DOS). Take a look at the following link for a third party "fill-in-the-table-cells-and-then-compile" tool: http://www.jungo.com/windriver.html - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Printer Driver (was - Protel EDA Forum... was adjacent component placement D XP) > Phillip: > > I already checked the www.linuxprinting.org website. No support for Toshiba > P351 in CUPS or Foomatic. They don't even list the Toshiba brand at all. > > If I knew how to write a printer driver for either Linux or Windows, and it > wasn't too difficult, I'd do it and give the printer driver away to the > world. There must be a fair number of Toshiba P351, P351SX, Tandy DMP2100, > etc. still out there and still functional. BTW, the Tandy DMP2100 was a > rebranded Toshiba. I remember one of the places I worked in college bought > a Tandy DMP2100 (the boss was a Tandy computer fanboy), and I was tasked > with writing some custom printing software to print out and enumerate > charity event tickets. Using Tandy Basic and the DMP2100 manual, in about 6 > hours of programming I had some awesome looking tickets. But that was ROM > Basic, pre-PC, and oh-so-long ago... > > I've never written a device driver for Windows or Linux before, only DOS. > So the learning curve might be a bit much for me, unless someone knows of a > "fill-in-the-table-cells-and-then-compile" approach to it. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PADS ?
I don't know about PADS but Mentor Expedition does this very effectively. - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] PADS ? > > we are about to embark on a large project for an outside customer > (second spin, one year in rev, 16 layers, yada yada) > > we will be using 99SE and probably spectra > > in talking with the manager (a very smart fellow BTW) > at our customer's place he said: > 'I HATE Protel!' quite vigorously > i said "Oh?" (pretty diplomatic i thought) > > he said he watches his people tediously draw track segments and > then when they have to move something, rip it up and re-draw everything > segment by segment > 'very primitive' as he put it > > he then went on to say that he used to do this stuff and he used PADs > > he said with PADS he could pick up a fully routed and fanned out QFP and > plop it somewhere else > all the traces would remain attached and reroute themselves around > obstacles > very fast and easy he claimed, like a mini-manual-autorouter > > anybody know about this or have experience with newer versions of PADS ? > my last look at it was probably in the 70's :) > > As DXP does not seem to offer any productivity gains which i can see we > may be looking for another package > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE SDK
You must use Delphi 5 to compile for Protel 99SE. - Original Message - From: "Nathan Horsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE SDK > Good Morning All, > > Currently trying to create some servers using the Server Development Kit > unfortunately I cannot get it to compile correctly under Delphi 6 or 7. > Comes back with "bad file format" for the protel include files crtsl50 > and protelcomponents50. Any ideas on how to compile this correctly?? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DE 99SE IN WIN 98 AND 2000
- Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DE 99SE IN WIN 98 AND 2000 > 5) Also delete from the Windows or Winnt folder *.bpl and *.dpl, if they are > still remaining. Don't do this if you are programming with Borland development tools (Delphi, C++Builder)!! John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
Take a look at the following:
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Unistall 100% Ez CD Creator from Win2k (note that the plain words comes from
ROXIO ;)
Most times the drivers of EasyCD and Nero can cause conflicts.
(This is typically caused by lower level system drivers associated with
writing UDF. If everybody is following the rules as defined by Microsoft,
this should not be the case).
Unistalling Ez CD Creator is one solution however the Ez CD Creator
unistaller leaves behind several files which still causes problems to Nero
(delete all following files, if present)
(In ECDC 4.xx releases there are separate installs for ECDC and DirectCD. If
you uninstall ECDC in anything before ECDC 5.0, you will not uninstall
DirectCD. This is a separate uninstall process which explains why you see
the files listed below and still listed in the registry. This would be the
case for any Roxio application that is still left installed (i.e Take Two or
DirectCD) :
- CDR4VSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
- CDR4_2K.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
- CDRALVSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4 (older versions)
- CDRALW2k.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
- CDRALWNT.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
- CDRALVSD.SYS (duplicate)
- CDUDFRW.SYS (This does not exist in NT4/W2K. There is only a CDUDFRW.VxD
used by DirectCD in 9x)
- CDUDF.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
- CDRPWD.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
which rested in the directory C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS and the file
CDR4VSD.DLL in the directory C:\WinNT\System32 and restart Windows.
Additional: When the Adaptec software is uninstalled the registry is not
reverted to use the Windows "cdrom.sys". You have to edit the registry to
stop the Adaptec driver after uninstall. The critical keys that the software
leaves behind after being uninstalled are in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SyStem\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11C
E-BFC1-0 87002BE10318}
In this section you will find two keys called "UpperFilters" &
"LowerFilters" and you will need to delete both of these keys and reboot to
restore Win2K to the default CD driver. You should also search for other
keys containing "cdralw2k" and "cdr4_2K" and delete these then delete these
two files AFTER the reboot. Note you cannot delete the references to these
in "ENUM" as they are generated from the class driver, but they will not be
there after the reboot.
(This is the same issue as described above. It would be dangerous to delete
the whole upper and lower filter keys if somebody else had their drivers
installed in this location. In W2K it is not a good idea to only delete the
upper and lower filter keys. You must also delete the Service registry
entries and the drivers themselves. Again, this will be handled if ALL of
the Roxio applications are uninstalled (i.e ECDC, DCD, and Take Two).
In addition there is an article in the MS knowledge base about this..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q270008
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- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:23 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
> HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a
> state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and
> these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save
> themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to
> the DXP list as well.
>
> My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace
> Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good -
Nero
> is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable.
>
> I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I
should
> not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd
never
> use DirectCD again, I uninstalled DirectCD. I've since learned that
Roxio's
> DirectCD is in and of itself the worst virus infection I've ever seen. It
> won't uninstall cleanly, their "tech support" is no help, and now my
system
> won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot
normally.
> In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar
grief,
> but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that
while
> my auto-start apps are still getting settled in, a box appears saying
> "Preparing to install" with no appname. Its cancel button does
nothing.
> About ten seconds later, the box goes away - and then comes back. Total of
> about 6 times or so, and then the system does a normal shutdown and
reboots
> Again, and again, and again.
>
> I've killed almost a full day on this so far, with no end in sight.
> S
Re: [PEDA] ~OT: 3B, 5B, 7B footprint
The links got word-wrapped in the email. You will need to reassemble them to get the actual links. I just tested them and they do work. Concatenate: http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/ with static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline/3bmod_ol.html static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline/5bmod_ol.html static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline/7bmod_ol.html to get the three links. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ~OT: 3B, 5B, 7B footprint Thanks for the links John but they came up stating they were for a page on the website that "...isn't currently supported." What I did finally find seems to be some form of a backplane? Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com > -Original Message- > From: John Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:35 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] ~OT: 3B, 5B, 7B footprint > > > Here are some relevant links to outline drawings: > > http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/c > atalog/outline > /3bmod_ol.html > http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/c atalog/outline /5bmod_ol.html http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline /7bmod_ol.html John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] ~OT: 3B, 5B, 7B footprint
Here are some relevant links to outline drawings: http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline /3bmod_ol.html http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline /5bmod_ol.html http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/marketSolutions/ios/catalog/outline /7bmod_ol.html John Williams - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ~OT: 3B, 5B, 7B footprint Didn't mean anything to me either, so I knew I didn't have what AJ was looking for. We aren't ignoring or isolating you AJ, we just don't know what you are looking for, so we don't have the footprints either. Is possibly a matter your name for these units? Sincerely, Brad Velander. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE keeps locking up
More detailed (programming level) information can be found at: http://developer.intel.com/design/xeon/applnots/24161822.pdf See page 23 for a description of Brand ID and Brand String used in the more recent processors. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE keeps locking up > Andrew, > I was not advocating "dumbing down" the information supplied by > Windows. Simply augment it with something that means something more > meaningful without full technical knowledge of every processor revision and > change. > When somebody on this list states they are experiencing a particular > problem on a certain processor based machine, I can't easily tell if it is > the same processor that I am currently running that doesn't exhibit the same > problem. Have you ever seen somebody go into a computer shop and order "I > would like an X86 family, Model 6, Stepping 5."? I bet you haven't. So where > is the issue in having the operating system identify the processor with a > meaningful non-technical/marketing name in addition to this technical > jargon? Why only supply the non-user friendly version. Does Intel use this > information on their website to compare different processors, NO! So why > should I be forced to deal with it by the operating system only supplying > this cryptic reference to the internal processor? > As I had stated previously, I have searched Intel's (and > Microsoft's)website looking for a listing of these processor references. > Couldn't find anything and I am no internet neophyte, I usually find the > information I am looking for. I even read a significant chunk of a > programming manual on their site, I can tell you a lot about the hex code > the processor returns to a query of the processor type but nothing in the > way of chart listing these OS processor name conventions. If you can supply > a link to such a listing it would be much appreciated, obviously > Intel/Microsoft is making it too difficult to find this information on their > websites. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE keeps locking up
Here is link to an older/partial list of processor name mappings: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q216204 John Williams - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE keeps locking up > Andrew, > I was not advocating "dumbing down" the information supplied by > Windows. Simply augment it with something that means something more > meaningful without full technical knowledge of every processor revision and > change. > When somebody on this list states they are experiencing a particular > problem on a certain processor based machine, I can't easily tell if it is > the same processor that I am currently running that doesn't exhibit the same > problem. Have you ever seen somebody go into a computer shop and order "I > would like an X86 family, Model 6, Stepping 5."? I bet you haven't. So where > is the issue in having the operating system identify the processor with a > meaningful non-technical/marketing name in addition to this technical > jargon? Why only supply the non-user friendly version. Does Intel use this > information on their website to compare different processors, NO! So why > should I be forced to deal with it by the operating system only supplying > this cryptic reference to the internal processor? > As I had stated previously, I have searched Intel's (and > Microsoft's)website looking for a listing of these processor references. > Couldn't find anything and I am no internet neophyte, I usually find the > information I am looking for. I even read a significant chunk of a > programming manual on their site, I can tell you a lot about the hex code > the processor returns to a query of the processor type but nothing in the > way of chart listing these OS processor name conventions. If you can supply > a link to such a listing it would be much appreciated, obviously > Intel/Microsoft is making it too difficult to find this information on their > websites. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Server Uninstall!?
The Client99SE.ini file in the windows system folder (e.g. C:\Winnt\Client99SE.ini) can accidentally get truncated. The last entries in this file are the list of installed servers followed by the Protel unlock codes. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Mattias Ericson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Server Uninstall!? > Hi, > I think this happens when Protel has problem writing to the ini-file. I > think it does so rather often to store information about recent files > etc. If something goes wrong this file will be corrupted. Usually the > information about the servers are at the end of this Protel99SE.ini > file( I think it is in this ini-file). A good idea is to backup this > ini-file when you have a good install. > > /Mattias Ericson > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Default Pointer
Another one is "Access Folders": http://www.shelltoys.com/af/index.shtml John Williams - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Default Pointer > > there is a program called FileBox Extender > > http://www.hyperionics.com/ > > it's pretty good > it changes the way most file box dialogs work > makes them resizable, has a list of favorites, preserves details sorting > etc etc > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gerber woes
This is a well known Protel bug. Octagonal pads are off by 22.5 degrees of rotation in Gerber files. The choices are: 1) Don't use octagonal pads 2) Have your board house fix your Gerber files by rotating all octagonal pads 22.5 degrees. 3) Do the fix yourself using a Gerber editor. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Kulajew Waldemar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProtelForum (E-Mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: [PEDA] Gerber woes Hello all. Is there any GerberGURU out there? I got a call from my board house just some minutes ago. They tells me the extended gerber file I send them is buggy. There seam to be an octagonal pad showing up rotated with 22,5 degrees. That, naturally, causes shorts to the surrounding Polygon. In fact it seams to be in the extended gerber file itself. Caused by the line " %ADD34P,0.063X8X0*% " in the header,. So here is my question: has anybody out there heard about a similar behavior? And is there a workaround? Yes I know one: do not use octagnal pads. ;-) But is there an other? Just wanted to push up the traffic on PEDA-forum before I jump into my weekend. ;-) Any advice appreciate when I comme back to fight with the Problems on Monday morning. Cheers, Waldemar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum@;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator@;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SDK and Delphi Questions
The Protel SDK is implemented with Delphi run time packages. This allows controlled access to a part of the internal structure of Protel 99SE without requiring access to its (proprietary) source code. Packages are chunks of compiled code that are similar to ordinary Windows dll's but with additional object oriented class information. This gives the ability to access the object oriented structures (e.g. pads, tracks, text, etc.) contained in a design. These pre-compiled run time packages are Delphi compiler version specific. A package which was compiled with Delphi 5 cannot be accessed from external code that was compiled with Delphi 6. The Protel 98/99 SDK was originally compiled with Delphi 3. Protel 99SE, at one point, had both Delphi 3 and Delphi 5 versions but the Dephi 3 version was later discontinued. This means that you MUST use Delphi 5 for any Protel 99SE server development. Protel DXP appears to have been written with Delphi 6 but an SDK for DXP has not (yet?) been made available so, at the present time, you cannot write servers for it anyway. If the SDK for DXP is implemented in the same way as it was for 99SE, you would need the matching Delphi version for server development. John Williams - Original Message - From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] SDK and Delphi Questions > Ian, > > I did go thru all of the PEDA and PDEV Archives that I have avaiable to me > here on this system (back to 9/12/01), and did note that several posts did > mention that D6 would not work for P99, but that also it appears that D6 is > what DXP is written in. > > I am wondering just what the problem is, and whether or not it may be > possible to get a re-compile out of Sidney which would work on D6 (certainly > less work than SP7). > > On the other hand, I wonder if D7 may work whareas D6 did not. To this > extent, I thought about downloading the free Trial Version, but I realize > that it would take me more that the 30 days just to learn enough of both the > SDK and Delphi to be able to put the thing to the test, and see whether it > would handle the compiled libraries. > > Is there some specific thing that D6 won't handle, that could be checked out > on D7? > > I ran into this same kind of problem once before with Borland with Turbo C++ > Version 2 versus Version 3 with some compiled libraries, but eventially > found that while they would not work from the "integrated environment", they > could in fact be used with the "command line" Version of the newer Version. > I am wondering if the problem with Version 6 might not be something like > that. > > I guess that I just have to start crusing Ebay looking for D5. > > Does anyone know of any other soruces for used / recycled software?. > > Anyway, thanks for your input, > > JaMi > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum@;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator@;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
Here is one: http://www.altium.com/careers/co_aust_se.htm John Williams - Original Message - From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting. ... > The next time one of you guys or gals down under spot Altium advertizing for > any Programmers in the local papers (or where ever they advertize such > things down under), post us a link or scan in the copy, so that we all can > see. ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SDK and info on server development
Hi Mark, I did not realize that my email address was not being posted. I wonder if this is some sort of setup issue with the list server? Anyway, it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, John Williams - Original Message - From: "Mark witherite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] SDK and info on server development > Hi John, > Can I ask why some posting to this forum have the poster's email > address and other's don't ?In other words can you send me your email > address. > Cheers > Mark > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SDK and info on server development
Me too! Thanks, John Williams - Original Message - From: "Terry Creer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] SDK and info on server development > Yes, I wouldn't mind a copy, either, thanks! > > TC > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Mark witherite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:11 PM > > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] SDK and info on server development > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Nasa published a paper on autorouter algorithms. Do you > > think that would > > > > be any help to you? > > > > I don't remember the link but I have a copy on the file. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT - Bare board storage
You might also want to take a look at a vacuum sealer that is designed for home use: For example: http://www.tilia.com/ John Williams - Original Message - From: "Katinka Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT - Bare board storage ... > > > Another idea I have used to store bare boards for 3 years (waiting for govt. > funding on a job) was to go down to the local butcher and get them to vacuum > pack them. they still look as shiny as the day they were packed (have 20 > spare bare boards and they have been packed for 5 years now) > ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Access database password
Manteghulteir John Williams - Original Message - From: "richard brogle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [PEDA] 99SE Access database password > > > I have some 99SE databases (*.ddb) with open "Sessions" that won't go away. > The computer names that the sessions were created under no longer exist > (have been renamed). > > I have fixed this problem in the past by opening the DDB in Access and > "hand" editing it. However, that requires a password, which was posted on > here some time back. I have since lost the password. > > Could someone refresh my memory ?? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP forum
See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxptechforum/messages John Williams - Original Message - From: "Daniel Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP forum > > Could someone advise me on how to review email archives from the DXP forum. > I am interested in the discussion that has already transpired, but I just > signed onto the forum today. > > Thanks, > Daniel > * Tracking #: 831FBF7356E46A4FB24F5E829A91129B9FB7D3B3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WIN2000 vs P99 vs Spectra vs Camtastic
Microsoft has an MDAC component checker utility that will analyse your machine to determine the MDAC version: http://download.microsoft.com/download/dasdk/CC/2.7/WIN98MeXP/EN-US/cc.exe All of the different versions of MDAC can be downloaded from: http://www.microsoft.com/data/download.htm#CCinfo John Williams - Original Message - From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] WIN2000 vs P99 vs Spectra vs Camtastic ... > > Dunno what MDAC drivers I have, but they have been updated somewhere along > the line. MySQL is installed as is buckets of dev tools (MS and Borland) > etc etc etc. If someone lets me know how to find the MDAC drivers I can > post them. > ... * Tracking #: 43DFC7369B3BA643AFA020ACBD12043053A3C569 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC Footprint Standards)
In the case of SMT Plus, each footprint is accompanied by a dimensional drawing of its matching part. The different reflow footprints for SOT-23 are for parts with slightly different pin dimensions. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC Footprint Standards) > Brad and John, > > How do you know which one to choose? > > A bit like having three clocks in a room and never knowing the correct time. > > Seriously, what guidance is given as to which footprint to choose? > > Ian > > > * Tracking #: 266ABC446668854EBBC036C57FD96D1760399627 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC Footprint Standards)
The SMT Plus book has at least 10 different SOT-23 footprints. Measured from outer edges of the pads: For reflow: Smallest: 2.54mm x 1.65mm Largest:3.45mm x 3.05mm For wave solder: 3.48mm x 2.82mm John Williams - Original Message - From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC Footprint Standards) > As an example: > > The SOT23 reflow footprint takes up 3.3x3 mm while the wave takes up 4.5x4.6mm. > > The IPC standard has a 8x8!! placement courtyard. Like, yeah right. Someone > tell me this is a typo - at that size I may as well us a TO-92. > > Taking the distance of the outer edge of a pad on one side of the SOT-23 to > the outer edge of the other pad (the IPC Z dimension): > > Philips Reflow: 2.7mm > My footprint: 2.95 mm > IPC: 3.6mm > Philips Wave: 4mm > > In high density layouts what are you going to use? (Actually, I am a bit > timid going as low as the Philips reflow footprint as it feels mighty small > when you see it -it is not easy to hand solder. But the point about reflow > footprints being able to be made very small is clear. My footprint has > been in use for many years, on many boards, assembled by many manufacturers > without any issues.) > > Also, if you have a look at the Philips wave footprint > http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/packages/footprint/FOOTPRINT-S OT23.pdf > > You can see that the single pad is very wide. This is different from the > old data I have from the early to mid 90's so they have updated it. Also, > I think they have changed the preferred wave direction - I think it used to > be in the other direction. I am not sure I like the new wave footprint but > maybe it heats the device more evenly or something. > > Ian > * Tracking #: BF64D1C4ED83AB4DBD426AA3C7D5C38FCD50143A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP Net lists
FYI, Mentor Expedition can load external netlists via EDIF. I do not know if you can backannotate via EDIF from Expedition (I doubt it). John Williams - Original Message - From: "Michael Reagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP Net lists ... > Blah Blah Blah that is alot of steps and Im not even sure this is what you > want. I just looked at Mentor Expedition and they cant load an external > netlist either. Well they just lost me as a potential customer because > none of my customers use Mentor schematic capture. They either use Orcad, > PADS or Pukelogic, I would have to re-engineer every schematic and netlist > I receive from outside Mentor to make it compatible. Yea, that makes > perfectly good sense to me. NOT. > > Mike Reagan > EDSI > * Tracking #: F539E403995DB44994805234E8EB95D401504EFD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tutorials
I think that they recently changed the web site so that all of the tutorials (already included in the DXP trial) were publicly available as separate downloads. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Don Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tutorials > This has me entirely baffled. > > I am certain that when I grabbed the demo I crossed a page that had the list > of Tutorials labelled as available to ATS subscribers. Although re-visiting > this shows no trace of this wrt the tutorials but does apply to libraries > ( fair cop ). > > My apologies to Protel for the inaccuracy of the initial claim. > > Cheers > > Don > * Tracking #: 82909D383E2F06458480558229F1A1017213640B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT Metric vs Imperial
This is how they do it already. All coordinates in Protel are stored as 32 bit (binary) integers with the LSB equal to one ten thousandth of a mil (0.001 inches). Conversions and roundings are done to translate back and forth from "internal" coordinates to coordinates that the user interacts with (mils or mm). John Williams - Original Message - From: "vincent mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT Metric vs Imperial ... > If protel programmers switch to a 'smallest common number' base and then > use integers all these problems would go away. An import filter would > need to be written that fixes the 0xx to the next higher > correct number. > > ... * Tracking #: A6F90B2FD86E0049A544E5B814497D931C202C99 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] (No Subject)
The documents that you are requesting are also included in the free trial version of Protel DXP. Look in the DXP help menu >> Articles and Tutorials. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Anand Kulkarni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [PEDA] (No Subject) > > Hi everybody, > > I am a Graduate student and I am currently working on designing a PCB for a Xilinx FPGA. > I have started using Protel-99-SE trial version for the same. > Recently I noticed that the support site of Protel offers 2 documents to ATS members (altium total support) members which I might have use for. > > Now I think it may be unethical but still I think I need these 2 application notes.I was hoping somebody in this group who is also an ATS member could help me out with this.They ask for a valid 9-digit Serial (License) Number . > The document names are : > > 1) Attributes for FPGA Devices and > 2) Protel DXP & Xilinx Interface > > and the link is > > http://www.protel.com/resources/tutorials/index.html > > hope someone helps > > Anand Kulkarni > * Tracking #: 0670FB63F806BF4FB698940699649E1517165AB2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and Single/Dual CPU
Looking at Protel 99SE in the Delphi 5 debug environment shows that it does spawn multiple threads. Just the Client alone without an open design has two threads (the main thread plus another one that is blocked waiting for a semiphore). Opening a design creates between 10 and 13 threads (all but the main one waiting for a semiphore). John Williams - Original Message - From: "Andrew Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and Single/Dual CPU > > > > -Original Message- > > From: mike ingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:08 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and > > Single/Dual CPU > > > > > > Compilation timess are getting too slow on my pokey old 1Ghz > > Athalon ;) > > I use the same computer for Protel and Max plus II. . As I > > understand it > > Protel is not multi-threaded, and does not benefit much from > > dual cpu > * Tracking #: 4266C64C824D1C44B174C80E4EF0BD97D4D3B01A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] License Issues
Network sniffer shows it as multiple local network UDP transmits and receives -- all on port 138. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] License Issues > I don't know for sure how the license manager works, but I think it probably > uses a UDP broadcast over the LAN to "discover" other copies of the program. > > If this is the case, it might be possible to block some UDP ports on your PC > with firewall software. Norton Personal Firewall, perhaps? Each machine > would think it is the only one running Protel, so the license couldn't > "float". Of course, make sure you have one license for each machine you > want to run Protel on ;-) > > Finding which UDP ports to block might be tricky. Using tcpdump in Linux > and having it filter out UDP broadcast packets would be the way I'd try it > (if I were to do so). Make sure you don't disable all UDP activity, because > Netbios uses UDP to manage Samba (Windows) networks. > > I don't know how this would affect your ability to share libraries. It > might work OK, work some, or not at all. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com > > * Tracking #: 2E2E1A1761667941A94DED15D999EA4B4CA7BE08 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem
I think that the best way to sort it out would be to methodically go through the debugging process of starting "clean" and then adding back elements one at a time until it fails. If it fails with a fresh install of the OS and only Protel installed then you will need to start looking at hardware/driver issues. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem > i appreciate your response > > i also see a ODBCji32.dll, know anything about that? > > no virus checker > > already went thru uninstall/ install > > i haven't (yet) deleted/replaced the *99se* files, i guess that is next > > as i reported i don't get any error messages > to repeat the problem when closing a DDB when several DDBs are open then > the whole Protel session disappears and any DDBs with unsaved changes > lose the changes > i have not gotten file corruption or lost files, only work > > the machine is pretty young, i hate to reinstall the OS and all the apps > > do you think it could be a hardware (motherbd) problem? > all the other apps seem ok > * Tracking #: 8FEB34C9DBEE4F4E9F74F5751E23FB5DCB07638F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem
At this point, I would replace the ODBCjt32.dll file on G6 to restore it to its original condition. To eliminate the possibility that you have corrupted the Protel installation itself: Disable your virus checker. Uninstall any Protel service packs using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. Uninstall Protel itself using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. Do a search in G6's \WINNT directory for all files that contain "99SE" (set the search string to *99SE*). Move all found files to a backup directory somewhere. They contain all system configuration and user settings for Protel. Corruption/inconsistencies in these files can easily cause Protel to crash. Make sure that they are all removed from the \WINNT directory. Reinstall Protel and service pack 6. Do not add any third party servers. Run Protel and retest using only Protel example DDB files. Do not load any of your own files. If no access violation, try testing with your own DDB files. If still no access violation, restore the *99SE* files that you saved and test again. If you get an access violation with a clean install of Protel, you might be better off in the long run if you do a clean install of Win2K with sp2. It is definitely possible to get incompatible system files over time caused by applications that attempt to upgrade selected system files for their own use. I recently installed the demo version of Protel 99SE on a laptop with Win2k and it would consistently cause an access violation on exit. Uninstalling and reinstalling Protel (including deletion of all .ini files) did not resolve the problem. Clean install of Win2K did solve it. John Williams - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem > John Williams, here is what i have done so far (no joy) > > i searched my machines for > ODBCjt32.dll > > i found several different file dates but only 2 different versions under > the properties tab > a binary compare showed ones with same version number to be identical > > machine P4 is working correctly with > ODBCjt32.dll > Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 5:00:00 AM > 4.0.6019.0 > Microsoft ODBC Desktop Driver Pack 3.5 > > machine G5 is also working correctly with > 4.0.4403.2 > size same > date is 6/14/2001 > > mahine G6 which is the problem machine has > 4.0.6019.0 > > so i put > 4.0.4403.2 > on machine G6 > i also deleted ODBCjt32.dll from \dllcache folder > so that the file only resided in \system32 > > i rebooted and verified the older version was still in place > we worked for a while and the problem has recurred exactly the same with > either of these files > > so now i am at a dead end > > what to do? > any ideas? > i have also sent all of this to protel > * Tracking #: 04C538F9B333D3498027E08E56DF9CAD8A5732CE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem
What is the version number/date of the file: ODBCjt32.dll in your \Winnt\System32 directory? In general, program installers will only replace files that are older than the ones they are trying to install. If Protel 99SE requires an older version of this file (or other related files), you would need to manually replace the file with the older version. Of course, this could be dangerous if other applications or other components of the OS require the newer version (affectionately known as "dll Hell"). John Williams - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] maybe related to ''Access violation'' problem ... > i suspected an MDAC issue (from reading this list) but the driver from > MS won't install because it says the one we have is already current > ... > > any ideas? > > Dennis Saputelli > > * Tracking #: 2018994D42706A46B884955C255B90CC9AFA2359 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SMD Markings
Take a look at this web site: http://www.marsport.demon.co.uk/smd/smdcode.htm John Williams - Original Message - From: "Linden Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PEDA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [PEDA] SMD Markings Greetings all, Does anyone know of a web site that cross-references SMD marking codes with the real device number. I have a SOT-23 device marked L6 and I would like to know what it is. I have tried Philips data but they don't have an L6 listed - a lot of others though. Any help would be greatly appreciated. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: CLIENT99SE caused an invalid page fault in module at 0000:01000001.
You can open them with Access but it is not all that useful. The Access database structure is only used for the high level, hierarchical document tree as seen in the "Explorer" tab of Protel Design Manager panel. The contents of the individual design databases (PCB layout, Schematic, etc.) are stored as data "Blobs" in proprietary binary format. The .ddb file is password protected. The password was previously revealed by someone in this forum as: "Manteghulteir". I do not know if this is the current password. John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > speaking of DDBs, has anyone ever figured out how to open them with Access? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pro-engineer
QualECAD View3D (www.qualecad.com) interfaces well with Pro-Engineer. 3D component models created in Pro-Engineer are imported into View3D/Protel via VRML. The board substrate, component locations and mounting holes are exported back out to Pro-Engineer via IDF. John Williams QualECAD Ian Wilson wrote: > ... > > There are a number of add-ons that also offer mechanical CAD > interfacing. Two I can think of are: > www.qualecad.com > www.desktop-eda.com.au > > I have not trialled any of these two products but it is reasonable to > expect they offer facilities beyond that of the Protel ACAD server, though > possibly satisfying different requirements. > > Do not be impressed by the Protel 3D-Viewer that is shown on the > advertising bumpf. It is basically useless as there is no method of > specifying user models. It just guesses what the component looks like and > how high it is. This is possibly where the 3rd party add-ons really shine - > maybe their creators could comment... ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] All Servers gone
Open the file Client99SE.ini in your Windows directory with any text editor. At the very end should be a section that is labelled: [Servers] followed by a list of servers with the path to their associated .ins file. For example: ... [Servers] ArngeCmp=C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\System\ArrangeComponents.INS AutoPlacer=C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\System\AutoPlacer.INS AutoSave=C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\System\Autosave.INS Binder=C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\System\Binder.INS CAMBillOfMaterials=C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\System\CAMBillOfMaterials.INS ... ... Make sure that this list of servers exists and that this file is not set to read only. John Williams Cam Andruik wrote: > Well this is wierd. Yesterday Protel worked fine. Today I start it up and > it will not open a database. > > I have no Servers installed. If I add them, the next time I start Protel > they are all gone again! > > Anyone ever seen this before? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Delphi V6 vs. Protel SDK
The current SDK is compatible only with Delphi D5. This is because the interface to Protel is provided as a precompiled runtime package that is compiler specific. The entry level Delphi 5 package should be sufficient for most kinds of Protel server development. Check the Borland web site for limitations. John Williams Linden Doyle wrote: > Greetings all, > > I have read here in the past that Delphi V5 is required if one wishes to create >srevers using the Protel SDK. > > Is Delphi V6 also useable in this regard? > > I have noticed one of the local computer magazines comes with a complete Delphi >package on its cover CD this month. From the quick glance I gave it, it seems to be >the entry level package and not the "professional" package. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gold or silver plating
I wonder if the use of a vacuum foodsaver (e.g. http://www.tilia.com/ ) would be helpful here? John Williams Jon Elson wrote: > > Keep the unused boards in a zip-lock bag before use, and they will stay > in good shape. Don't store any paper (may give off acids) inside the bag. > If the bag has a hole in it, you will see a dark disk right under the hole > after a few years. If you have air pollution (sulfur dioxide in the air) > silver will turn brown or black after a few years. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mentor Graphics vs Protel
Jon Elson wrote: > Amazing! The Mentor stuff I've seen is NOT very intuitive. We are using it > on Sun workstations (also HP) for an IC design. This is not the same product. Be aware that Mentor had and still sells its own Unix based PCB design application called Board Architect. This is completely different than the Expedition PCB application that they bought from Veribest. Expedition PCB is a Windows NT/2000/XP-only application that was intially developed at Intergraph and later spun off as an independent company called Veribest. Mentor bought out Veribest (circa 2000) when Cadence decided to stop offering its Spectra autorouter as an OEM addition to its competitors. Expedition PCB has routinely won the competitions at the PCB conferences and, in the right hands, is extremely powerful. It especially excels in its interactive routing capabilities (a marvel to behold!). It does, however, have a much steeper learning curve than Protel and is a bit more oriented toward larger corporate use -- especially with its central library (database) functionality. Many of the Protel wishlist items expressed in this forum have been available in Expedition PCB from the very beginning. You can get a free trial CD from Mentor to get some ideas on where Protel might/should be headed. John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Free Mechanical 3d CAD system available
Don Ingram wrote: > ... > > The system seems rather intuitive which I find in stark contrast to trying > to do anything in Autocad ( shows my electronic design / software > background, definitely not a draftsman's bootlace. But even if I was a > draftsman I think I would still despise Autocad... ) & as of doing a few of > the supplied tutorials I quite like it. It looks like it could be a neat > tool for constructing 3D component models for import into Qualecad or heaven > forbid a functional prottle 3D addon. > > Has anyone got any real hands-on experience with the Desktop product or the > company to date? It looks like they are one of the big guys when you look > at the features & price of their high end PRO/ENGINEER offering. Pro/Desktop Express seems to work well with QualECAD View3D. I created a few quick components and imported them into Protel/View3D via VRML without difficulty. Pro/Desktop is sort of a "hidden gem" from PTC. It is much easier to use than Pro/Engineer -- very similar in user interface style to SolidWorks, Solid Edge and Catia. The free version appears to have all of the modelling functions intact. A feature comparison chart between it and the full version can be seen in the FAQ at: http://ptc.com/products/desktop/prodesktop_faq.htm John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] computer pauses
The rcs file defines the "resources" for a given server. These are the menu entries, toolbars, and keyboard shortcuts that appear in the Protel 99SE "client" application when the given server is active. When a new server is added, its rcs file (eg. advpcb.rcs, advsch.rcs, etc.) is read and combined into the master rcs file (client99se.rcs) that defines all of the resources for the Protel client application. When Protel is shut down, the client99se.rcs file is written back out so that any resource changes made by the user during the session (eg. menu or toolbar additions) are set for the next time Protel is run. If Protel crashes during the session, these changes are lost. Since the client99se.rcs file is cumulative for all sessions, it can become messed up over time. One cure for this is to uninstall each server from within Protel (using the "Servers" dialog from the Protel system menu), then shut down and restart Protel to clear the client99se.rcs file of the given server's entries. Then reinstall the servers to force the client99se.rcs file to be rebuilt from the individual server.rcs files. Of course, all custom resources will be lost during this process The other way is to use a known good client99se.rcs file. For this reason, it is advisable to backup the client99se.rcs (and client99se.ini) files once you have Protel set up the way you want (with all custom menus, toolbars and keyboard shortcuts) so that you can later restore the application to this known good state if thing go bad. Note that uninstalling and then reinstalling the Protel application using the Windows Add/Remove Programs control panel does not solve this problem because the uninstaller does not automatically remove the rcs and ini files. They must be manually removed in order to start with a "pristine" version of Protel. John Williams Mike Reagan wrote: > Tim, > I am not sure what the rcs file is I heard some mention of it on this > forum last month.Any help out there as what the rcs file is..it > looks like an ini type file when I opened it > > Mike Reagan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] computer pauses
Most likely the improvement came from copying the ini and rcs files from your client's computers. This would remove inconsistancies and poor configuration choices that may have crept into your versions of these files. It is unlikely that messing with the registry would have made any difference. Protel 99SE does not really use the registry for anything significant (although third party servers might). John Williams Mike Reagan wrote: > ... > > Anyway, my performance was still dogging so I went extreme. I am not sure > which of the following cured the delay problem. > 1. I defragmented the hard drive using Mejenix Fix it Utilities. Great > toolsI highly recommend them > 2. I defragemented the Registries. > 3. cleaned the regestries > 4. copied the pcb and client ini and rcs files from my clients computers to > my machine > > One of the above cured the delay. but not sure which was the cure.My > performace was restored to 0-60 , but couldnt tell you what the real fix > is. The delay is gone, but next time I am going to use steps 1-4 again > without hesitation * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] monitor recommendations ??
I have been using a Sony GDM-F400 19" Trinitron at 1600x1200 for the past year and am extremely pleased with it. The image is very sharp with high contrast/color saturation and even the smallest text is very readable. I just did a test and can easily read 5 pt. text at 1600x1200. It has dramatically better picture quality than any other CRT that I have used before. This is one of the high end "F" series of Sony monitors with .22mm dot pitch and dynamic focus. There is a 21" GDM-F520: http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/displays/gdm_f520.shtml and a 24" GDM-FW900: http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/displays/gdm_fw900.shtml that are in the same series but I have not seen them in person. John Williams Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > hello, > > i'm using a 4-year-old ilyama 21 inch crt monitor now, and > thats a pretty big monitor, but its less than 20 inches > actually, and its just not enough for me. in order to drag > parts around on the pcb, i need to zoom out to find them > (i'm aware of the edit/jump feature, but its awkward to use > when everything isn't in view), and in order to keep from > zooming out to where i lose scope on part numbers, i have to > run at 1600x1200. this is fine as long as i don't have to > look at the bottom of the window to see some node information, > or minimize the screen and read my email. then the text is > simply too small for my old eyes. > > i have the go-ahead to buy anything that costs less (total, > including shipping) than $2500US. > > can anyone recommend a good flatscreen or crt? > > thank you, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] performance vs. processor usage
While watching the system monitor, try stopping all servers (except the pcb server) one at a time to see if they are chewing up any processor time. Do this by going to the Protel system menu (big grey down pointing arrow on far left side of menu bar) and selecting Servers... Right click in the window of the dialog that pops up and select View >> Details. This will show all the installed servers and which ones are currently running. Right click on the server name (left side) and select "Stop" to stop that server. If stopping the AutoSave server fixes the problem, check its settings in the Protel system preferences menu (grey arrow >> Preferences, Auto-Save Settings button). A low time interval or a network save location could be the cause of the problem. If only the pcb server is running and you are still getting 100% CPU times, then it may be due to a background "Robot" process in the pcb server. The Robots do background tasks such as keeping track of connectivity, online DRC, etc. These can be affected by the design file as well as the Protel configuration files. Try changing design files (empty or Protel sample file) to see if that alters the behavior. If not, try a clean install of Protel to see if it is a configuration file problem (see previous post). John Williams Bob Jones wrote: > Hi all, > I hope I'm not bothering everyone with the same problem for too long here, > but I may be getting closer to a solution to my performance problem. While > looking at the SYSTEM MONITOR I noticed that my slow computer is showing a > processor usage of 100% all the time. I've closed everything I can and it > still shows 100%. The other faster computer has this fluctuating between 7% > and 31% with a minimal of things running. > I'm disconnected from the network, and there is no virus software running. > Does this give anyone ideas? > I haven't been able to look into today's posts for answers but thought I'd > throw this out there. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Performance difference between 2 of the same machines
Bob Jones wrote: > I want to thank all those who responded. I may have sent people in the wrong > direction by comparing 2 machines. Forget that there is another machine > involved, it should not take 8 seconds to move text on an 0805 type part and > 2 minutes plus on a larger chip. > I will try to address the cache/memory issue today if I can (some work needs > to get done). > > Anyone else with advise, keep it coming! > > Some other things to try in order to narrow down the cause of the slowdown: Test with .ddb file that is local to each machine. Avoid using the network. Unplug the network connection (if possible) to eliminate the network as a source of the slowdown. If Protel then complains about not finding a remote file, investigate as a possible source of slowdown. Try using a "vanilla" copy of Protel on both machines to see if there is a difference in configurations. Uninstall Protel on both machines using the Windows Add/Remove control panel. Backup and then remove all Protel configuration files from the Windows system directory. To do this, open up the "Windows" directory (Winnt on NT/2000) on the desktop. Type Ctrl-F to open the find files dialog. Enter *99se* into the "Named:" field and then click the "Find Now" button. The search should find 20 or so files that are not removed by the uninstaller and are used by Protel for initialization and configuration. Copy these to a safe place (if you care to keep your current Protel settings) and then delete them from the Windows directory. Now reinstall Protel and run your test with a local .ddb file to see if the slowdown still exists. You can restore your original configuration by replacing the configuration files with the backed up versions (no need to do the uninstall/reinstall) but Protel must not be running when you do this. John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pulsonix vs Protel vs Protel Pheonix
Andrew Jenkins wrote: > > >That said, I did spend an hour with the Pulsonix demo. I found one "issue," as >Protel would call it, immediately. In the PCB editor, the Z key zooms in on current >cursor. Well enough, how do I zoom out? The View Menu indicates that O would be the >hotkey. But O pops up an Option menu. With some experimentation, I found it was the U >key. Small thing, but it shows that this is pretty raw software. > > Use the mouse wheel. Simple enough, and seamless. Holding the mouse wheel in allows >panning. Seamless again. You can also define new shortcut keys in the Pulsonix menu: Tools >>Shortcut Keys... For example, the Page Up and Page Down keys can be assigned to Zoom In and Zoom Out. John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[3]: View PCB 3D
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > In many companies, there is no 3-D CAD guy and interference checking is > done by trying to stuff the parts together in a box. A little interference > checking, nothing terribly fancy, in Protel would go a long way. Just > height checking, fine, as long as it is easy to set up height regions, > simple or complex. More complex models for components, better as an option, > terrible if they are a necessity. This function is available in QualECAD View3D. Take a look at: http://www.qualecad.com/page7.html John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Looking for PLA2TDF.EXE
Look at the date on this: http://www.sigda.org/Archives/NewsGroupArchives/sci.electronics.cad/Sep1998/10392.txt John Williams Jeff Stout wrote: > PLD 99 says it needs the "PLA2TDF.EXE" program to fit an Altera > EPM7032 device. Protel's KB articles 1993 and 1790 describe this > problem and say this program was once available from the MAX PLUS > software from Alter. I downloaded this software (MAS PLUS), but > it didn't have the pla2tdf utility. Logical Devices wasn't much help either. > > As a side note, the MAX PLUS software also reads in EDIF format, > but it didn't like Protel's EDIF syntax. So two paths to MAX PLUS > are cut off at the moment. > > I'm sending an email to Altera, but in the mean time, do any of you > guys know where I can get this program? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Multi License Special Pricing
It includes one year of ATS. See: http://www.protel.com/media/mr02_multilicense.htm John Williams Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > The U.S. Protel sales manager me how much he wanted the resale price of > licenses to be close to the regular price from the company, but the > constant specials and uncertainty about upgrade pricing, etc., make this > very difficult. > > This new additional license for half-price, does it include ATS? That's not > stated I'd presume that it does, but I've learned that Protel does not > always intend what one might think obvious. If it includes ATS, it is a > real bargain. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel Multi License Special Pricing
FYI: http://www.protel.com/eproduct/p99se_pricing.htm John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is this normal???
This may be related to the loss of keyboard shortcut problem that occurs with Microsoft Intellimouse drivers, the mouse wheel and Protel. Workaround: Open the Mouse Properties control panel (in the Window's Control Panels directory) and click on the "Wheel" tab. Click on the "Exceptions" button at the bottom right of the dialog (in the Universal Scrolling area) and then click on the "Add..." button. Browse to the Client99SE.exe file where you installed Protel. John Williams Joel Hammer wrote: > no it doesn't work properly! as soon as the wheel is turned the keyboard > freaks out and i have to reboot. (press Esc and the windows start button > menuwould pop-up.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Looking for a resistor supplier.
Take a look at: http://www.mouser.com/products/detail.cfm?MPart=71-RH50-4.7&CustRef=&source=search http://www.mouser.com/products/detail.cfm?MPart=588-D50K-5.0&CustRef=&source=search http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Filter John Williams Brian Guralnick wrote: > I need a 4.5 Ohm, 50 Watt resistor. For precision audio, any recommendations? > > > Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes
Try this one also: http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html It does pasted text or entire web pages with English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian and Portuguese translation capability. John Williams Andrew Jenkins wrote: > Yes, it is, and though it's not perfect, it works, at least for the languages that >it supports. > > http://babelfish.altavista.com/ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files
At 08:54 AM 12/21/01 -0800, you wrote: >Tango, and Accell used the .pcb file format. As do Protel, Zuken Cadstar, and Mentor Expedition (Veribest). John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files
Have you tried Pads PowerPCB? John Williams At 09:03 PM 12/21/01 +1100, you wrote: >Hello all, > >We have been given responsibility for a large suite of technology from a >defunct US company (once owned by Cadence). The schematics are in OrCad >capture (DSN) format, but the PCBs are unknown. I thought either OrCad >Layout or Cadence Allegro but neither creates *.PCB files. > >Inspecting the binary PCB files gives no apparent clue (no helpful text >string embedded anywhere that gives any clues). > >So what mainstream, and probably high end, programs create PCB files with >a .PCB extension. I have reason to believe that it was hosted on Windows >but even it may have been a Unix variant. > >It is not an option to send out a sample file (at least until we get >through the pile and find some of the low-IP test jigs). > >Not much to go on I know but has any one got any ideas? > >Many thanks and for those that celebrate different occasions at this time >of year, have a good one, >Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] RV: HI Again...
It is very easy to create a footprint for this part using the Protel PCB component wizard. As a test, I just created one for this part in less than ten seconds! Open up an existing PCB library database for editing or create a new one in your current database (File >> New... then select PCB Library Document from the icons) Select Tools >> New Component The first page of the component wizard will appear. Click on Next Select Dual Inline Package (DIP) and Imperial units. Click on Next. Edit the labels for the pad dimensions to be appropriate for the component leads (e.g. 25 mil hole in a 60 mil round pad for all three layers of the pad stack. Click Next. Edit the labels for the pad spacings (100 mils between pads and 600 mils between pad columns). Click Next. Accept the default silkscreen width of 10 mils by clicking on Next. Edit the total number of pads to be 10. Click Next. Enter the name of the footprint. Click Next. Click Finish. Verify that the footprint is correct. You are done! (don't forget to save the modified library) John Williams Mariano M ndez wrote: > SORRY, THIS IS THE ADDRESS FOR THE DATASHEET: > > http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/mendezmh/redcc.jpgis a picture > > -Mensaje original- > De: Mariano M ndez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Enviado el: Domingo, 09 de Diciembre de 2001 08:36 p.m. > Para: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Asunto: HI Again... > > Here I'm sending to you the datasheet of my display. This is the display > that i want to create the footprint, can someone help me?? Thank you all > again... > > YOURS... > Mariano H. M ndez * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Updating Sheet Symbols
Take a look at: http://www.aspiring-technology.com/prt_xrf.html John Williams Brian Guralnick wrote: > I remember once awhile back, an automated sheet entry generator server was once > mentioned in this news group. Perhaps somebody remembers what it was called. > > > Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity dialog locks up.
Andrew J Jenkins wrote: > Hmm...here's one for my guru friends to think about. Can one preset process >prioritization for tasks called to the NT/2k task manager, and are SI and other >Protel processes transparent enough to avail themselves to such manipulation? If so, >one might admittedly lose a bit of execution speed for the affected task, but gain in >still being able to use their PC, at least those who are hampered by a single-proc >system and have to experience these difficulties... The NT/2K task manager lets you view and manipulate the CPU allocation and task priority at the "process" level. An application is typically a single process. If you look at the task manager while running Protel, you will see an entry called Client99SE.exe. If you right click on this you can set the process priority and CPU affinity (in systems with more than one CPU). The Protel application is a single process. Within each process, there may be more than one executable "thread". On systems with more than one CPU, the OS can assign different threads from a single process to different CPU's. An application must be explicitly written to use multiple threads in order to benefit from multiple CPU's. It appears that launching Protel 99SE creates about twelve different threads but all but one of them (the "main" thread) are normally in the "stopped" state. I do not know what these particular threads are intended for but additional threads are created, executed and destroyed when various Protel processes are executed. As far as I know, there is no way for a user to change the priority or CPU affinity for individual process threads using the standard OS user interface. These parameters can certainly be altered programatically when each thread is created but this would have to be explicitly added by Protel programmers. John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix
Steve Wiseman wrote: > > > > And here I run into a brick wall. I have a vague memory that we have > > discussed in the past a shortcoming of the global edit Copy Attribute > > operation. I could find no way to use it to add a suffix. Perhaps someone > > knows how to do this! > > Hmm. Not me... > Is this the kind of thing I ought to be using macros / hand-crafted > servers for? (obviously not for this particular problem, which can be > solved elsewhere, but it's a nice, small, clearly defined problem...) Take a look at the (freeware) server called "Reference Designator Modifier" on the downloads page of: http://www.qualecad.com/ It can add arbitrary suffixes and/or increment reference designators of user selected schematic and PCB components. Does this do what you need? John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Legend does not work !!!!! Protel Support does not solve this problem
http://www.protel.com/etech/prerelease_home.html John Williams Richard Sumner wrote: > Nor is it in my tools menu. I do have the layer stack manager in the design > menu. I'm running 99se, sp6. Help says design explorer version 6.6.7 > > The layer legend sounds useful, how do I find it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] any multi-layer prototype PCB house with great price?
Take a look at Sierra Proto Express: https://www.2justforyou.com/NASApp/sierraproject/jsp/tabs_welcome_home_.jsp John Williams Mike Ingle wrote: > http://www.advancedcircuits.com/ > They have an online estimator so you decide if the price is great. They had > a $200 special for first time users. > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Xiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:41 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] any multi-layer prototype PCB house with great price? > > Anyone know any place that can do 6 layer board SMD with a great price? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
When you select "Update PCB" in the schematic editor, a dialog appears which has a checkbox at the bottom labeled: "Generate component class for all schematic sheets in project" Uncheck that to prevent the generation of "placement rooms". John Williams QualECAD Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. > > could someone please tell me what i've done and how to undo > it? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT: Unused CMOS inputs (was: Reference)
Asymmetric input current is a characteristic of the TTL logic family but is not the case for CMOS. Even TTL compatible CMOS (eg. ACT or HCT families) has a symmetric and very high input impedence (leakage currents of less than 1 uA) for both low and high inputs. TTL compatibility is accomplishied by shifting the logic threshold down to between 0.8V and 2.0V instead of the normal CMOS threshold of one half of the supply voltage. John Williams Mike Reagan wrote: > Here is my guess, the input of a cmos circuit (inside of the IC) though it > has a high input impedance to gnd, they have an internal resistor internally > tied from the gate to Vdd. Tying the gate to gnd in most devices is when > input current is actually sinking into the device and most inputs to > devices are not actually on when they are applied with a voltage. Reverse > of the way you may think. Draw the circuit out and then tell me when the > most current is being sunk thru the input. By tying the input to gnd and > not vcc you are actually sinking current in the device input path. May not > sound like a lot of current for most applications, but for some critical > applications like spacecraft where power is a premium tying inputs "hi" is > mandatory design criteria. So tying hi or lo does make a difference. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE / SP5 ... dead ... won't run ... nightmare ...help
Two suggestions... 1. If the problem is being caused by a corrupted ddb, you can try starting up Protel while holding down the ctrl key. This will prevent the Protel Client from trying to open the previously opened documents in the ddb. Next you can try opening up each document to see which might be the source of the problem. 2. Windows Uninstall does not remove the Protel configuration files that are located in your Windows directory (e.g. C:\Winnt). When uninstalling Protel, move any files in the Windows directory that start with CLIENT99SE... to another location (or delete them if you don't mind losing whatever configuration changes you have made) and then reinstall Protel. John Williams QualECAD John Lemburg wrote: > ... > > 10. Help. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE / SP5 ... dead ... won't run ... nightmare ...help
As far as I know, Protel does not use the registry at all. Everything that would normally be put in the registry resides in files in the Windows directory that begin with CLIENT99SE... John Williams QualECAD Tim Hutcheson wrote: > I think at this point you will have to bite the bullet, backup your > registry, use regedit and find the keys in the registry that are Protel > related and delete them. Sorry but I don't have a list of specifics but I > think that's all you can do. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] MM's VS Mils
FWIW, here are the relevant functions from the Protel 98 software developer's kit
(freely downloadable as part of P98 trial version -- no NDA involved).
I do not know whether Protel has changed these functions for P99se (source code has
not been released).
Const
kInternalUnits = 1; {ths Of a mil}Note: a mil is actually
equal to ten thousand internal units
kMaxCoord= 9 * kInternalUnits;
kMinCoord= 0 * kInternalUnits;
kMilAccuracy = kInternalUnits Div 10;
kMMAccuracy = kMilAccuracy * 100;
k1Mil= 1* kInternalUnits;
k1Inch = 1000 * kInternalUnits;
Var
d, f : TDouble;
{..}
Function MilsToCoord(M : TReal) : TCoord;
Begin
Result := Round(MilsToRealCoord(M));
End;
{..}
{..}
Function MMsToCoord(M : TReal) : TCoord;
Begin
Result := Round(MMsToRealCoord(M));
End;
{..}
{..}
Function MilsToRealCoord(M : TReal) : TReal;
Begin
Result := M * kInternalUnits;
End;
{..}
{..}
Function MMsToRealCoord(M : TReal) : TReal;
Begin
Result := M * kInternalUnits / 0.0254;
End;
{..}
{..}
Function MMAccuracy : TDouble;
Begin
f := d - Trunc(d);
f := Round(f * kMMAccuracy) / kMMAccuracy;
Result := f + Trunc(d);
End;
{..}
{..}
Function MilAccuracy : TDouble;
Begin
f := d - Trunc(d);
f := Round(f * kMilAccuracy) / kMilAccuracy;
Result := f + Trunc(d);
End;
{..}
John Williams
QualECAD
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
> At 08:41 PM 3/15/01 +1100, Les Grant wrote:
>
> >Perhaps I have missed something here but are you implying that
> >conversion from metric is exact but conversion from imperial is
> >approximate? 1 inch = 1000 mil = 25.4mm exactly, both ways.
>
> So conversion from inch to mm is exact. But what about the other way?
>
> If Protel supported divisors for distances, i.e., the use of fractions,
> then one could get exact conversions in both directions, it would not
> matter. It would not be difficult to implement that, by the way. One would
> break the dimension field into two fields; the default for the second field
> would be 1, but if it was present and was not one, dimensions would be
> converted by division.
>
> Remember that we are talking about database units, not necessarily what is
> displayed.
>
> However, Protel presently uses a database unit of a small decimal fraction
> of an inch. I think it is one microinch, but it might be smaller than that;
> I've done some experimentation with this, but I don't remember the results
> right now. Actually, the units are mils, but there is then three decimal
> place precision. For a while there, the database was floating point, which
> was interesting, but I think they changed it back. Metric dimensions (in
> mm) are translated into the database units by dividing them by 0.0254. So
> if I enter 1 mm, it will become 39.370 mils, which is pretty accurate. But
> it is not exact; an error of approximately 0.078 microinch is introduced,
> which is 0.002 mm. When the number is translated back into mm, it becomes
> 0.98 mm. That is only 2 nanometers off, but, especially when
> accumulated, it can knock the displayed mm measurements off, as we
> frequently see.
>
> However, the problem might also be addressed by intelligent rounding of the
> mm display. If the database precision is 1 microinch, we only have a real
> resolution in mm of 0.040 mm, so display of mm to three decimal places or
> beyond is meaningless. If the mm figure
Re: [PEDA] Modifying the Schematic & PCB.
You can control the contents of the status bars with the following functions in the RT_Forms unit: Procedure StatusBar_SetStateDefault; Procedure StatusBar_PushStatus; Procedure StatusBar_PopStatus; Procedure StatusBar_SetState(Index : Integer; S : TString ); Function StatusBar_GetState(Index : Integer) : TString ; Where Index is: 1: The top left control on the status bar. 2: The middle control on the top section of the status bar. 3: The top right control on the status bar. 4: The bottom control on the status bar. When setting the state of a particular status bar, you will want to preserve the current state by doing a push/pop status. For example: ... StatusBar_PushStatus; while displaySpecialCoordinates do StatusBar_SetState(1, 'x: ' + IntToStr(xCoord) + ' y: ' + IntToStr(yCoord) ); StatusBar_PopStatus; ... John Williams QualECAD Ian Wilson wrote: > On 04:04 PM 10/03/2001 -0500, Brian Guralnick said: > >Hi, > > > > I was wondering if it was possible to modify the schematic & PCB? I > >noticed on Protel's site, they talk about making a server for the design > >explorer. I'm interested in adding some additional coordinates to be > >displayed on the status bar while I work on a PCB. Is this possible? > > > >_ > >Brian Guralnick > > This might be better directed to the developer list. What you are asking > is whether the status and/or command status bars are exposed in the API - > my bet is NO, but I haven't looked so I could be wrong. They may be > accessible through the relevant Delphi component/Win32 calls. It may also > be possible to make a non-modal (floating above the P99SE window but still > allowing the PCB/Sch editor to have focus) window that could show your > extra info - a cludge. You possibly need to play around with the robots to > do all this as you will need to get constant messages about mouse movements > regardless of the state of the PCB/Sch editor. > > I posted a number of questions on the developers list that were at a > similar depth to the issues I talk about above and got zero answers. The > Developers forum is hobbled due to: > 1) A pre-release NDA that has not been formally revoked even though the SDK > has been in pre-release fro the last two decades (or so it seems). > 2) Maybe there is some commercial issues raised with the really deep > questions on the SDK. (Those with deep knowledge of the SDK are trying to > use it to make money.) > 3) There are not many members on the developers forum > > You could try asking your question directly to Protel support as they will > no doubt pass it onto someone that can answer it. > > Good luck but don't hold your breath. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
