[PEDA] News on TASKING tools
I got a message from Altium today stating that the shipment of the TASKING tools will be within the next 3 weeks. The delay was justified with required changes to "ensure that your bonus TASKING tools can be installed using your Protel or P-CAD access code". Was this message sent worldwide? Regards, Ralf . ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel history (was Accel vs. protel)
- Original Message - From: "Darren Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel history (was Accel vs. protel) > > Looking though my old documentation for Autotrax 1.0 I think, > the copyright date is 1988. Before that I was using Protel > PCB as early as the beginning of 1886. > I've been using Protel for decades now but - 1886 - WOW - You are obviously the most experienced user of all ;-) Cheers, Ralf . ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Countersunk holes
- Original Message - From: "Edi Im Hof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks to all for the answers. I first thought about a much more > complicated thing. Something for HF or so. > I tried two translators, none of them had a translation for this. try this one: http://dict.leo.org/?search=countersink&searchLoc=0&relink=on&deStem=standar d&lang=de . ô ô ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium article from Australian "electronic news" Dec mag
- Original Message - From: "Terry Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now if were were talking programmable logic design I could see scope > integration between the designs tools. But we all know that getting the > current PLD server to do anything at all is a challenge never mind the most > basic integration like automatic schematic symbol generation which isn't > even attempted. > > > Cheers, Terry. > Altium ought to consider that Tasking compilers do not cover the whole embedded market. Integration of software and hardware development tools makes only sense to a certain extent (as long as they do not support most of the processor architectures). A better approach for tools integration would be: 1. a "global" project management for *all* kind of source files including configuration management/version control 2. seemless integration of third party compilers (cross compilers, PLD/FPGA compilers) (I mean integration, not acquisition ;-) 3. documentation features and case tools (flowcharter, UML, ...) Best wishes, Ralf . ô ô ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Where's the catch in it? I just went through the online registration process and didn't find anything fishy (such as an adhesion contract). I'm curious what will happen... . ô ô ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - Original Message - From: "Steve Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but > those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the > special offer on the Protel website. > It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up > and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. > > Steve. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antwort
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For English speakers to remember this, Ant = back, as in anterior, and > wort, I would guess, not knowing German, would be the same as English > "ward." So, "backward." Not *completely* correct, though near to it. The german "wort" is the same as the english "word", so the meaning is "back-word", or, the older form "ans-wer" ;-) Cheers, Ralf * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??
Hi Michael, some kind of semi-automatic procedure for rebuilding legacy hardware would be a nice option. Here's what you need to do: 1. Take a picture of your board using a flatbed scanner. 2. Chance the color of the board plane to white and of the traces to black; save as BMP file. 3. Use one of those converters mentioned in the "BMP-to-gerber" threads. This was the good news. Now back to the real life. I think the problems getting this into operation are so big that (almost?) noone takes this procedure into consideration: 1. Depending on the board pattern it is hard or even impossible to get a sharp, high-contrast image. 2. You will have a hard work post-processing your picture to a black/white bitmap. 3. Dimensions (and maybe the aspect ratio) gets lost when saving it as a bitmap file (it depends on the bitmap resolution). Rescaling it back to the original outline may drive you nuts 4. With big, detailled bitmaps you will spend a hard time in converting them to gerber or pdb data. The conversion will bring myriads of tiny tracks and artefacts into the pcb, which you have to remove/redraw in post-processing. 5. Double-sided boards are a crap if you want both sides to match. 5. No matter what you do, you will not get a re-editable artwork file, which you can cross-check with a schematic. Maybe with small, crude, single-sided boards and with some effort you will have some success, but those boards are easily to be redrawn in the "old-fashioned" way anyhow ;-) I will not say that it is impossible to get useful results from such kind of reengineering. But you will need highly sophisticated tools to hit the jackpot. I disbelieve you will find them. Regards, Ralf . ô ô ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - Original Message - From: "Robison Michael R CNIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ?? > hello, > > i guess our customer on this board rebuild job is happy with us > and has given us a bunch more boards to do. over half of them > are simple two-sided boards. with no existing gerbers, up til > now i've been recreating these in protel with a stripped board and > a set of calipers. > > this issue has been sitting on the backburner for me a while, but > bob wolfe mentioned something close to it and now my interest > is piqued. there is another facility here on base that can take an > existing board that's stripped and somehow scan or photograph > the surface and generate gerbers from that. they want me to go > over and check it out and give them an idea of whether this is a > good idea and what kind of problems might be involved with this > process. > > my question: what am i likely to find when i go over there? i'm > going to assume that there is some scanning or photographic > hardware thats associated with some software program that > converts a raster image into the vectorized gerber files. are you > guys familiar with this kind of setup? what are some of the software/ > hardware setups employed for this? surely its better than me sitting > here re-creating the boards by hand. > > any comments will be appreciated. > > thanks, miker > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
