[protest-ro] INTRODUCERE IN TEORIA ANARHIEI - episodul II

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie Asociatia Altermedia

Al doilea capitol din serialul introductiv in Teoria anarhiei este online si 
poate fi citit la:
http://ro.altermedia.info/index.php?p=2062 

CAPITOLUL II. AUTORITATEA IERARHICA: FABRICA DE IDIOTI SI CORUPTI...
...raspunde la cateva intrebari: 

1. De ce se opun anarhistii existentei autoritatii ierarhice?
*Care sint formele de autoritate ierarhica?
*De ce resping anarhistii autoritatea ierarhica?
*Autoritatea ierarhica diminueaza potentialul uman
*Autoritatea ierarhica are un conflict de interese inerent, care ii 
submineaza utilitatea
2. Ce forma de autoritate accepta si promoveaza anarhistii in locul celei 
ierarhice?
*Anarhie si democratia directa (fara delegarea autoritatii) 

 

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Re: [protest-ro] INTRODUCERE IN TEORIA ANARHIEI - episodul II

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie Codruta

Mai, draga Altermedia - fa-ti o descriere intr-o fraza site-ului si baga-l
aici, la bookmarks, pe site-ul listei [protest] ;)

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Re: [protest-ro] Protestez impotriva Orange

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie Florin Pîca

Codruta,
spuneai ceva despre niste procese ale APC cu operatorii de cablu. Ai putea 
sa-mi spui cum as putea afla detalii despre ele.

Multam fain


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Codruta N 
  To: protest-ro@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [protest-ro] Protestez impotriva Orange


  From: Alex M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Ia zii Codrutza ca tot eshti tu isteatza(si frumoasa si pacifista si justa
   si sfatoasa si.) la cine sa ma duc cu jalba ca prea mi-e
  ciuda..
   ..

  Odata la Autoritatea de Protectie a Consumatorului (www.anpc.ro, cred ca
  site-ul le-a ramas acelasi, cred ca e up-datat la bookmarks, pe site-ul
  listei protest) apoi, mai ales, la Asociatia pentru Protectia Consumatorului
  (Laura Pascu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) care au un feeling deosebit,
  in perioada asta, pentru operatorii de telefonie si providerii de Internet
  (in special pe cablu).
  Prima e de stat, cealalta e o ONG - da' vioaie rau! are niste procese cu
  operatorii de cablu ;))

  Daca adresa Laurei e gresita (adica daca si-a schimbat-o) sa-mi zici, sa
  intreb de cea noua.

  Mai poti s-o cauti pe Ioana Morovan, de la Capital
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) s-o intrebi daca n-o intereseaza genul asta de
  contracte abuzive, pe ea sau pe vreunul dintre colegii ei, stiu ca fac
  colectie de astfel de cazuri ;)

  Codruta

  (isteata, frumoasa, justa, sfatoasa si astazi suparata deoarece:
  1 - Calin s-a retras azi-noapte de pe lista, cica plictisit de moarte de Dl.
  Schiau;
  2 - unii folosesc cuvantul prietenie doar asha... ca sa se afle in
  treaba
  (ma rog! astia inca n-au aflat ca si cuvintele imprasitate se razbuna...
  in timp... fie la ei, acolo...)

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Re: [protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american, Controlul mass-media

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie valachus per skorilo

Da' ce crezi tu tzarane, ca pot avea privilegiul sa vorbeasca cu
presedintele USA orice fel de bolsevici dezechilibrati ca tine? Deja salivai
la ideea ca o sa puteti infiltra membri din factiunea Tembeli leftisti in
libertate la intrunirea aia! Ete na ca nu se putu! Poate data viitoare.
Si, bibicutz, nu-mi purta mie de grija cu manicuristele, n-am nici un fel de
legaturi nici cu manicuriste nici cu manicuristi, nici in Craiova si nici
aiurea. Unu ca-mi provocatzi sila, si doi ca din asemenea legaturi
primejsiloase oricand m-as putea pomeni ca ma invart de tulpina aia noua
virulenta de HIV, sper ca ai auzit de ea, aia de-va imputineaza comunitatea
vazand cu ochii (si-i afecteaza-ndeosebi pe utilizatorii de crystal meth,
deci tzine okii-n patru, da? mi-ar lipsi iesirile tale delirant-ilariante).
Si tot n-ai raspuns la interpelare, tavarase, raspunde cinstit (comunitatea
voastra incurajeaza iesirea din closet ... nu, din DULAP - engleza, bat-o
vina): deci, esti sau nu esti abonat la Gay Politics? Si de ce?


- Original Message -
From: cbjola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: protest-ro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:28 AM
Subject: [protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american, Controlul mass-media




 Ia vezi Schiau-Nazistu si Valachus-Dobitocus cate parale da Fuhrerul
 vostru iubit pe free speech. A trebuit sa anuleze o discutie in
 Germania pt ca nemtii au refuzat sa manareasca intalnirea cu intrebari
   masluite.

 With a Hush and a Whisper, Bush Drops Town Hall Meeting with Germans
 Der Spiegel



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[protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american, Controlul mass-media

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie cbjola


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, valachus per skorilo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Si, bibicutz, nu-mi purta mie de grija cu manicuristele, n-am nici
un fel de
 legaturi nici cu manicuriste nici cu manicuristi, nici in Craiova si
nici
 aiurea. 

Bombonel, de ce esti asa nervos si zbuciumat? Dupa cat de tare urli 
se pare ca am atins un nerv f. dureros. Ok, sterge-ti spumele de la
gura si da repede niste Diazepame pe gat. Te-ai calmat?

In ciuda racnetelor tale de crocodil, toata Craiova stie ca esti
homosexual. Nu mai e un secret pt nimeni chestia asta demult. Asa ca
lasa figurile asta de Tatza Floarea deoparte. Stii F BINE ca am
dreptate si sunt si ALTII pe lista asta care cunosc treaba asta. Cum
spuneam insa, chestia asta nu ma deranjeaza deloc. 

Te-am intrebat insa daca si practici meseria asta pe bani la fel ca
idolul tau Gannon, propagandistul de serviciu al lui Bush. Nu ai
raspuns la intrebare. Ai dat-o cotita! Te intreb asta pt ca nazistu'
de Schiau si-a manifestat dorinta fierbinte sa te cunoasca mai bine.
Ma gandeam ca poate ii faci o reducere, asa ca de la fascist-imputit
la fascist-imputit, sau pt variatie de la bolsevic-dezechilibrat la
bolsevic-dezechilibrat. Distractie placuta, Bombonel!





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[protest-ro] CIA, Nazi files and Iraq...

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie cbjola


What the CIA's Nazi Files Can Tell Us About Iraq
The Poisoned Well

BY WERTHER (Werther is the pen name of a Northern Virginia-based
defense analyst).

The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past.
--William Faulkner

Since the attacks of 11 September 2001, the American public has
endured an astounding avalanche of official lies, half truths,
pseudo-events and sheer balderdash that will surely enter the Guinness
Book of Records. Among the most persistent and infuriating lies of
government, to those who have imbibed their knowledge of the past from
the crystalline springs of Gibbon and von Ranke, is the misleading
historical analogy. Its purpose is twofold: to relativize whatever
current disaster the governing class has waltzed the hapless populace
into; and to kill any usable past. The technique also has the added
benefit of making government placemen sound learned ­ at least in
the
estimation of an audience which gains its knowledge of the world
through Fox News and other State media.

Iraq is a fruitful field for detecting such historical fables. It was
during the summer of 2003, as it first became evident that the natives
of Mesopotamia were less than entirely enthusiastic about their
liberation, that the American apparat swung into action with
historical comparisons between Iraq and the occupation of Germany.

Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice took to the hustings
to tell the Veterans of Foreign Wars, in her characteristic
school-marmish fashion, that occupied Iraq was no more of a problem
than occupied Nazi Germany ­ and look what a rousing success that
turned out to be: There is an understandable tendency to look back on
America's experience in postwar Germany and see only the successes,
but as some of you here today surely remember, the road we traveled
was very difficult. 1945 through 1947 was an especially challenging
period. Germany was not immediately stable or prosperous. SS
officers-called 'werewolves'-engaged in sabotage and attacked both
coalition forces and those locals cooperating with them-much like
today's Baathist and Fedayeen remnants. 

Whereupon the irrepressible Secretary Rumsfeld immediately chimed in
with his own historical tour d'horizon: One group of those
dead-enders was known as 'werewolves.' They and other Nazi regime
remnants targeted Allied soldiers, and they targeted Germans who
cooperated with the Allied forces. Mayors were assassinated including
the American-appointed mayor of Aachen, the first major German city to
be liberated. Children as young as 10 were used as snipers, radio
broadcasts, and leaflets warned Germans not to collaborate with the
Allies. They plotted sabotage of factories, power plants, rail lines.
They blew up police stations and government buildings, and they
destroyed stocks of art and antiques that were stored by the Berlin
Museum. Does this sound familiar?

Frankfurt Was Not Fallujah

One wonders which community college-educated speech writer activated
the larynxes of our senior government officials. As history, this was
bunk, although it sounded plausible to the half-educated mind.
American forces took Aachen in October 1944 ­ well before the
largest
battle ever fought by the U.S. Army, the Battle of the Bulge, and
fully six months before the 8 May 1945 end of major conflict in the
European Theater. The assassination of Aachen's mayor and the capers
of the Werewolves were distinctly small beer, because they occurred in
the midst of the bloodiest land battles in world history. The
Werewolves, Rumsfeld's proto-Baathists, only existed as a viable force
as an adjunct to a still-functioning German government holding
territory between the Rhine and the Oder-Neisse; a government that
could put, even at that late date, 8 million men into the field. At
the time, 4th Generation Warfare operations were distinctly subsidiary
to conventional military campaigns. 

Once hostilities ended, the situation was otherwise than described by
Professor Doktor Rice and Kriegsminister Rumsfeld. Compared to the
1,484 dead and 10,487 wounded in Iraq, the few post-VE Day GI
homicides principally occurred from black market deals gone wrong or
quarrels over a Fräulein. The dynamic of post-war Western Germany,
where the population was uniformly terrified of a vengeful Red Army
and accordingly seeking protection of the Amis, is a dynamic absent
from present-day Iraq.

There are, however, profound lessons to be derived from the occupation
of Germany and its integration into the post-World War II American
world system. Principal among the institutions which America absorbed
into its national security state was German Intelligence, specifically
the Gehlen Organization.

A Viper Enters the Nest

The story of General Reinhard Gehlen has been endlessly rehashed in
books, articles, History Channel reprises, and Gehlen's own
self-serving memoirs, so we do not intend to recapitulate the full
historical record. But this precis will suffice for our purposes:


Re: [protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american, Controlul mass-media

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie Codruta

From: valachus per skorilo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Si tot n-ai raspuns la interpelare, tavarase, raspunde cinstit
(comunitatea
 voastra incurajeaza iesirea din closet ... nu, din DULAP - engleza, bat-o
 vina): deci, esti sau nu esti abonat la Gay Politics? Si de ce?

Ce relevanta are raspunsul la intrebarea asta? (@@)

Poate ma abonez eu! mi se pare interesanta aceasta comunitate... de fapt, in
Romania, as putea sa spun ca am intalnit printre ei predominant baieti
simpatici.

???

Codruta

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Re: [protest-ro] Protestez impotriva Orange

2005-02-24 Fir de Conversatie Ana

Vino cu vara ca marea o am eu alaturi.
 
Aneanu

Gushterul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nu uita sa faci o poza cu telefonul bucati ;)
j/k

Protestez impotriva frigului:) Vreau sa fie vara si sa fiu la mare:)

Gushterul

Thursday, February 24, 2005, 2:34:39 PM, you wrote:



FP Protestez impotriva incompetentei celor de la Orange.
FP Le-a luat 3 luni sa realizeze ca au incurcta borcanele cu o factura si 
acuma 
FP imi taie telefonul pentru ca ei sunt incompetenti si nu au stiut unde sa 
FP inregistreze factura respectiva.

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