Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[David Lord]

Given the amount of updates that EuroPython sends out, I can't actually
remember what else this mailing list gets off the top of my head. However,
I didn't sign up for this list expecting to get a constant stream of
updates about EuroPython. From the name and description I'd imagine it
would be more focused on news about the PSF and community efforts with and
around the PSF itself.

It's not that I don't like to know that EuroPython is hard at work, it's
great that you're enthusiastic, but I don't think the level of updates
currently being sent to this list is useful. A few of the most important
updates, such as a CFP or ticket sales seems more appropriate.

I can add a filter that deletes anything with "EuroPython", but that means
I will hear nothing, rather than just important things, and might miss
other PSF-related discussions of EuroPython.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Mariatta  wrote:

> If you find yourself receiving too many posts from EuroPython, it is quite
> simple to filter and automatically archive/delete/mute emails containing
> the word "EuroPython".
>
> Perhaps the problem is not with EuroPython posting too many things, but
> rather why aren't other members share more "community-type" announcements
> here?
>
> If people always have to worry that they'll be criticized as "spamming" it
> will deter people from actually posting useful information.
>
> I personally think info about a conference is relevant to the community,
> so it is fine to post them here.
>
> Another thing that would be great is if the PSF community page (
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community) can be updated to
> include more elaborate guidelines and examples of what posts are acceptable
> or not.
>
> ᐧ
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:17 AM James Bennett  wrote:
>
>>
>> >> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:35 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
>> >> not our attention.
>> >>
>> >> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
>> >> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
>> >> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
>> >> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
>> >> discussions and buzz.
>> >>
>> >> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
>> >> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
>> >> announcements to.
>> >
>> >
>> > My issue is the *number* of announcements. No other PyCon generates
>> this many announcement posts.
>> >
>> > PyCon AU, to take an example, did an announcement of their CFP, and
>> then one more announcement combining their schedule, call for volunteers,
>> and opening of ticket sales. That’s reasonable and honestly I wouldn’t have
>> minded seeing one or two others, like a reminder when the CFP was about to
>> close.
>> >
>> > EuroPython has done *seventeen* announcement posts… so far. I have no
>> doubt that many many more are still to come. Why do you feel a need to make
>> so many announcement posts? I was not joking at all when I said I think
>> EuroPython makes more announcements than all other PyCons combined. So,
>> again: please start a mailing list for EuroPython, use it for the bulk of
>> your announcements, and save only a few major ones like CFP open/close or
>> ticket sales opening, for this list.
>>
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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Mariatta]

If you find yourself receiving too many posts from EuroPython, it is quite
simple to filter and automatically archive/delete/mute emails containing
the word "EuroPython".

Perhaps the problem is not with EuroPython posting too many things, but
rather why aren't other members share more "community-type" announcements
here?

If people always have to worry that they'll be criticized as "spamming" it
will deter people from actually posting useful information.

I personally think info about a conference is relevant to the community, so
it is fine to post them here.

Another thing that would be great is if the PSF community page (
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community) can be updated to
include more elaborate guidelines and examples of what posts are acceptable
or not.

ᐧ

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:17 AM James Bennett  wrote:

>
> >> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:35 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
> >> not our attention.
> >>
> >> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
> >> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
> >> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
> >> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
> >> discussions and buzz.
> >>
> >> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
> >> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
> >> announcements to.
> >
> >
> > My issue is the *number* of announcements. No other PyCon generates this
> many announcement posts.
> >
> > PyCon AU, to take an example, did an announcement of their CFP, and then
> one more announcement combining their schedule, call for volunteers, and
> opening of ticket sales. That’s reasonable and honestly I wouldn’t have
> minded seeing one or two others, like a reminder when the CFP was about to
> close.
> >
> > EuroPython has done *seventeen* announcement posts… so far. I have no
> doubt that many many more are still to come. Why do you feel a need to make
> so many announcement posts? I was not joking at all when I said I think
> EuroPython makes more announcements than all other PyCons combined. So,
> again: please start a mailing list for EuroPython, use it for the bulk of
> your announcements, and save only a few major ones like CFP open/close or
> ticket sales opening, for this list.
>
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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[M.-A. Lemburg]

James: We do have our own mailing lists as well. The point in posting
here is to address and engage with PSF members specifically, since
many of our attendees are PSF members.

We post announcements since we want to keep people up to date
with what's happening and not miss anything.

As mentioned, I'd love to see more such announcements from other
conferences as well, but many of them unfortunately don't appear to
have the PSF members on their radar.



On 27.06.2019 19:17, James Bennett wrote:
> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:35 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
>>> not our attention.
>>>
>>> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
>>> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
>>> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
>>> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
>>> discussions and buzz.
>>>
>>> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
>>> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
>>> announcements to.
>>
>>
>> My issue is the *number* of announcements. No other PyCon generates this 
>> many announcement posts.
>>
>> PyCon AU, to take an example, did an announcement of their CFP, and then one 
>> more announcement combining their schedule, call for volunteers, and opening 
>> of ticket sales. That’s reasonable and honestly I wouldn’t have minded 
>> seeing one or two others, like a reminder when the CFP was about to close.
>>
>> EuroPython has done *seventeen* announcement posts… so far. I have no doubt 
>> that many many more are still to come. Why do you feel a need to make so 
>> many announcement posts? I was not joking at all when I said I think 
>> EuroPython makes more announcements than all other PyCons combined. So, 
>> again: please start a mailing list for EuroPython, use it for the bulk of 
>> your announcements, and save only a few major ones like CFP open/close or 
>> ticket sales opening, for this list.

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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Steve Holden]

So we can return to our customary comfortable silence .

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 18:17, James Bennett  wrote:

>
> >> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:35 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
> >> not our attention.
> >>
> >> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
> >> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
> >> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
> >> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
> >> discussions and buzz.
> >>
> >> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
> >> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
> >> announcements to.
> >
> >
> > My issue is the *number* of announcements. No other PyCon generates this
> many announcement posts.
> >
> > PyCon AU, to take an example, did an announcement of their CFP, and then
> one more announcement combining their schedule, call for volunteers, and
> opening of ticket sales. That’s reasonable and honestly I wouldn’t have
> minded seeing one or two others, like a reminder when the CFP was about to
> close.
> >
> > EuroPython has done *seventeen* announcement posts… so far. I have no
> doubt that many many more are still to come. Why do you feel a need to make
> so many announcement posts? I was not joking at all when I said I think
> EuroPython makes more announcements than all other PyCons combined. So,
> again: please start a mailing list for EuroPython, use it for the bulk of
> your announcements, and save only a few major ones like CFP open/close or
> ticket sales opening, for this list.
>
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[PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[James Bennett]

>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:35 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
>> not our attention.
>> 
>> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
>> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
>> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
>> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
>> discussions and buzz.
>> 
>> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
>> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
>> announcements to.
> 
> 
> My issue is the *number* of announcements. No other PyCon generates this many 
> announcement posts.
> 
> PyCon AU, to take an example, did an announcement of their CFP, and then one 
> more announcement combining their schedule, call for volunteers, and opening 
> of ticket sales. That’s reasonable and honestly I wouldn’t have minded seeing 
> one or two others, like a reminder when the CFP was about to close.
> 
> EuroPython has done *seventeen* announcement posts… so far. I have no doubt 
> that many many more are still to come. Why do you feel a need to make so many 
> announcement posts? I was not joking at all when I said I think EuroPython 
> makes more announcements than all other PyCons combined. So, again: please 
> start a mailing list for EuroPython, use it for the bulk of your 
> announcements, and save only a few major ones like CFP open/close or ticket 
> sales opening, for this list.

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[Danny Adair]

Kiwi PyCon is on and it's our 10th anniversary - join us!

Tickets are on sale. As the CfP closes tomorrow, we should be able to
publish the complete schedule next week. - https://python.nz/

If you can't make it, check out our YouTube channel where a new
playlist of the conference will be ready within 48h (27 Aug) -
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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 27.06.2019 09:58, Horst Gutmann wrote:
> Big +1. If the EuroPython messages are perceived as spam then that's
> more a testament to the otherwise really low traffic here 🙂 @MAL: Keep
> them coming please 🥳

Thank you for the encouragement, Horst !

> Cheers,
> Horst
> 
> On 27.06.19 09:54, Steve Holden wrote:
>> No worries. That's for the PSF to take a view on. I merely commented
>> on my own experience of the list.
>>
>> I'm sure you remember many times in the past when what seemed like a
>> great idea would be floated within the Foundation membership,
>> supported enthusiastically, then wither and die on the vine.
>>
>> That's a fairly healthy sign - many new initiatives, most of which are
>> not expected or required to "succeed" but which will leave ripples in
>> the pond.
>>
>> Sadly, this one appears to be sinking like a stone.
>>
>> I suspect this is because many of those who joined don't feel
>> empowered to post to the list. So the best thing this white male can
>> do is get out of the way.
>>
>> regards
>>  Steve
>> Steve Holden
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:35 AM M.-A. Lemburg > > wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
>> not our attention.
>>
>> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
>> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
>> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
>> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
>> discussions and buzz.
>>
>> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
>> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
>> announcements to.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27.06.2019 09:24, Steve Holden wrote:
>> > If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements
>> would be
>> > lost in the noise.
>> >
>> > The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the
>> channel’s
>> > uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing:
>> this is
>> > clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF
>> > community” (whatever that is).
>> >
>> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett > 
>> > >> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Since April when the first “website launched” message was
>> sent, 65%
>> >     of all new threads posted to the psf-community list have been
>> >     EuroPython announcements.
>> >
>> >     At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either
>> outnumber,
>> >     or are close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons
>> combined.
>> >
>> >     Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements
>> mailing
>> >     list and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to
>> it, as
>> >     at this point the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to
>> >     psf-community is, in my opinion, well over the line into
>> spamming.
>> >
>> >
>> >     > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg > 
>> >     >> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for
>> EuroPython
>> >     > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >                   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
>> >     >
>> >     >       * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > Engage with the conference and its attendees
>> >     > 
>> >     >
>> >     > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule
>> (even
>> >     > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience
>> (create your
>> >     > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
>> >     > engagement platform for all attendees.
>> >     >
>> >     > You can create a profile within the app or link this to
>> your existing
>> >     > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily
>> reach out to
>> >     > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
>> >     >
>> >     > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
>> >     > ---
>> >     >
>> >     > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated
>> by sending
>> >     > updates of the schedule and inform you of important
>> announcements via
>> >     > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
>> >     >
>> >     > Many useful features
>> >     > 
>> >     >
>> >     > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for
>> more details on
>> >     > features an

Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Antoine Pitrou]

What is "the PSF community"?  There is probably no single community
there.  The PSF isn't a community in itself...


Le 27/06/2019 à 09:24, Steve Holden a écrit :
> If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements would be
> lost in the noise.
> 
> The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the channel’s
> uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing: this is
> clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF
> community” (whatever that is).
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett  > wrote:
> 
> Since April when the first “website launched” message was sent, 65%
> of all new threads posted to the psf-community list have been
> EuroPython announcements.
> 
> At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either outnumber,
> or are close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons combined.
> 
> Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements mailing
> list and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to it, as
> at this point the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to
> psf-community is, in my opinion, well over the line into spamming.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  > wrote:
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for EuroPython
> > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
> >
> >
> >                   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
> >
> >       * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
> >
> >
> > Engage with the conference and its attendees
> > 
> >
> > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule (even
> > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience (create your
> > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
> > engagement platform for all attendees.
> >
> > You can create a profile within the app or link this to your existing
> > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily reach out to
> > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
> >
> > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
> > ---
> >
> > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated by sending
> > updates of the schedule and inform you of important announcements via
> > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
> >
> > Many useful features
> > 
> >
> > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for more details on
> > features and guides on how to use them.
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/
> >
> >
> > Don’t forget to get your EuroPython ticket
> > --
> >
> > If you want to join the EuroPython fun, be sure to get your tickets as
> > soon as possible.
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> >
> > Dates and Venues
> > 
> >
> > EuroPython will be held from July 8-14 2019 in Basel, Switzerland, at
> > the Congress Center Basel (CCB) for the main conference days (Wed-Fri)
> > and the FHNW Muttenz for the workshops/trainings/sprints days
> > (Mon-Tue, Sat-Sun).
> >
> > The schedule is available at:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/schedule/
> >
> > Tickets can be purchased on our registration page:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> > For more details, please have a look at our website and the FAQ:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/faq
> >
> >
> > Help spread the word
> > 
> >
> > Please help us spread this message by sharing it on your social
> > networks as widely as possible. Thank you !
> >
> > Link to the blog post:
> >
> >
> 
> https://blog.europython.eu/post/185858710877/europython-2019-mobile-conference-app-available
> >
> > Tweet:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/europython/status/1143796573702434817
> >
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > --
> > EuroPython 2019 Team
> > https://ep2019.europython.eu/
> > https://www.europython-society.org/
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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[M.-A. Lemburg]

I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
not our attention.

Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
discussions and buzz.

If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
announcements to.



On 27.06.2019 09:24, Steve Holden wrote:
> If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements would be
> lost in the noise.
> 
> The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the channel’s
> uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing: this is
> clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF
> community” (whatever that is).
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett  > wrote:
> 
> Since April when the first “website launched” message was sent, 65%
> of all new threads posted to the psf-community list have been
> EuroPython announcements.
> 
> At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either outnumber,
> or are close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons combined.
> 
> Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements mailing
> list and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to it, as
> at this point the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to
> psf-community is, in my opinion, well over the line into spamming.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  > wrote:
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for EuroPython
> > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
> >
> >
> >                   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
> >
> >       * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
> >
> >
> > Engage with the conference and its attendees
> > 
> >
> > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule (even
> > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience (create your
> > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
> > engagement platform for all attendees.
> >
> > You can create a profile within the app or link this to your existing
> > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily reach out to
> > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
> >
> > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
> > ---
> >
> > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated by sending
> > updates of the schedule and inform you of important announcements via
> > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
> >
> > Many useful features
> > 
> >
> > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for more details on
> > features and guides on how to use them.
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/
> >
> >
> > Don’t forget to get your EuroPython ticket
> > --
> >
> > If you want to join the EuroPython fun, be sure to get your tickets as
> > soon as possible.
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> >
> > Dates and Venues
> > 
> >
> > EuroPython will be held from July 8-14 2019 in Basel, Switzerland, at
> > the Congress Center Basel (CCB) for the main conference days (Wed-Fri)
> > and the FHNW Muttenz for the workshops/trainings/sprints days
> > (Mon-Tue, Sat-Sun).
> >
> > The schedule is available at:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/schedule/
> >
> > Tickets can be purchased on our registration page:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> > For more details, please have a look at our website and the FAQ:
> >
> >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/faq
> >
> >
> > Help spread the word
> > 
> >
> > Please help us spread this message by sharing it on your social
> > networks as widely as possible. Thank you !
> >
> > Link to the blog post:
> >
> >
> 
> https://blog.europython.eu/post/185858710877/europython-2019-mobile-conference-app-available
> >
> > Tweet:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/europython/status/1143796573702434817
> >
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > --
> > EuroPython 2019 Team
> > https://ep2019.europython.eu/
> > https://www.europython-society.org/
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Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Horst Gutmann]

Big +1. If the EuroPython messages are perceived as spam then that's
more a testament to the otherwise really low traffic here 🙂 @MAL: Keep
them coming please 🥳

Cheers,
Horst

On 27.06.19 09:54, Steve Holden wrote:
> No worries. That's for the PSF to take a view on. I merely commented
> on my own experience of the list.
>
> I'm sure you remember many times in the past when what seemed like a
> great idea would be floated within the Foundation membership,
> supported enthusiastically, then wither and die on the vine.
>
> That's a fairly healthy sign - many new initiatives, most of which are
> not expected or required to "succeed" but which will leave ripples in
> the pond.
>
> Sadly, this one appears to be sinking like a stone.
>
> I suspect this is because many of those who joined don't feel
> empowered to post to the list. So the best thing this white male can
> do is get out of the way.
>
> regards
>  Steve
> Steve Holden
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:35 AM M.-A. Lemburg  > wrote:
>
> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
> not our attention.
>
> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
> discussions and buzz.
>
> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
> announcements to.
>
>
>
> On 27.06.2019 09:24, Steve Holden wrote:
> > If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements
> would be
> > lost in the noise.
> >
> > The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the
> channel’s
> > uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing:
> this is
> > clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF
> > community” (whatever that is).
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >     Since April when the first “website launched” message was
> sent, 65%
> >     of all new threads posted to the psf-community list have been
> >     EuroPython announcements.
> >
> >     At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either
> outnumber,
> >     or are close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons
> combined.
> >
> >     Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements
> mailing
> >     list and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to
> it, as
> >     at this point the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to
> >     psf-community is, in my opinion, well over the line into
> spamming.
> >
> >
> >     > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for
> EuroPython
> >     > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >                   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
> >     >
> >     >       * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Engage with the conference and its attendees
> >     > 
> >     >
> >     > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule
> (even
> >     > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience
> (create your
> >     > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
> >     > engagement platform for all attendees.
> >     >
> >     > You can create a profile within the app or link this to
> your existing
> >     > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily
> reach out to
> >     > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
> >     >
> >     > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
> >     > ---
> >     >
> >     > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated
> by sending
> >     > updates of the schedule and inform you of important
> announcements via
> >     > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
> >     >
> >     > Many useful features
> >     > 
> >     >
> >     > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for
> more details on
> >     > features and guides on how to use them.
> >     >
> >     >    https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Don’t forget to get your EuroPython ticket
> >     > ---

Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Steve Holden]

No worries. That's for the PSF to take a view on. I merely commented on my
own experience of the list.

I'm sure you remember many times in the past when what seemed like a great
idea would be floated within the Foundation membership, supported
enthusiastically, then wither and die on the vine.

That's a fairly healthy sign - many new initiatives, most of which are not
expected or required to "succeed" but which will leave ripples in the pond.

Sadly, this one appears to be sinking like a stone.

I suspect this is because many of those who joined don't feel empowered to
post to the list. So the best thing this white male can do is get out of
the way.

regards
 Steve
Steve Holden


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:35 AM M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:

> I'm sorry if our posts come across as spamming. That is certainly
> not our attention.
>
> Since we do believe in the PSF community, we also believe that such
> announcements should be sent to this group and, personally, I'd love
> to see lots more coming from all kinds of Python events, projects,
> etc. A community has to be filled with life, lots of opinions,
> discussions and buzz.
>
> If the majority believes that this is not what this mailing list
> about, I can remove it from the list of MLs we distribute
> announcements to.
>
>
>
> On 27.06.2019 09:24, Steve Holden wrote:
> > If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements would be
> > lost in the noise.
> >
> > The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the channel’s
> > uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing: this is
> > clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF
> > community” (whatever that is).
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett  > > wrote:
> >
> > Since April when the first “website launched” message was sent, 65%
> > of all new threads posted to the psf-community list have been
> > EuroPython announcements.
> >
> > At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either outnumber,
> > or are close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons combined.
> >
> > Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements mailing
> > list and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to it, as
> > at this point the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to
> > psf-community is, in my opinion, well over the line into spamming.
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for EuroPython
> > > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
> > >
> > >
> > >   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
> > >
> > >   * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
> > >
> > >
> > > Engage with the conference and its attendees
> > > 
> > >
> > > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule (even
> > > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience (create
> your
> > > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
> > > engagement platform for all attendees.
> > >
> > > You can create a profile within the app or link this to your
> existing
> > > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily reach out to
> > > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
> > >
> > > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
> > > ---
> > >
> > > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated by sending
> > > updates of the schedule and inform you of important announcements
> via
> > > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
> > >
> > > Many useful features
> > > 
> > >
> > > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for more
> details on
> > > features and guides on how to use them.
> > >
> > >https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/
> > >
> > >
> > > Don’t forget to get your EuroPython ticket
> > > --
> > >
> > > If you want to join the EuroPython fun, be sure to get your
> tickets as
> > > soon as possible.
> > >
> > >https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> > >
> > >
> > > Dates and Venues
> > > 
> > >
> > > EuroPython will be held from July 8-14 2019 in Basel, Switzerland,
> at
> > > the Congress Center Basel (CCB) for the main conference days
> (Wed-Fri)
> > > and the FHNW Muttenz for the workshops/trainings/sprints days
> > > (Mon-Tue, Sat-Sun).
> > >
> > > The schedule is available at:
> > >
> > >https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/schedule/
> > >
> > > Tickets can be purchased on our registration page:
> > >
> > >   

Re: [PSF-Community] EuroPython 2019: Mobile Conference App available

[Steve Holden]

If the community were more active the EuroPython announcements would be
lost in the noise.

The fact that they are so prominent is really a measure of the channel’s
uselessness. It appears to be little more than window-dresssing: this is
clearly not seen as a channel through which to address “the PSF community”
(whatever that is).

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 07:59, James Bennett  wrote:

> Since April when the first “website launched” message was sent, 65% of all
> new threads posted to the psf-community list have been EuroPython
> announcements.
>
> At this point I believe EuroPython announcements either outnumber, or are
> close to outnumbering, posts about all other PyCons combined.
>
> Please consider starting a separate EuroPython announcements mailing list
> and inviting people who are interested to subscribe to it, as at this point
> the volume of EuroPython announcements sent to psf-community is, in my
> opinion, well over the line into spamming.
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the mobile conference app for EuroPython
> > 2019, again hosted on the Attendify platform:
> >
> >
> >   EuroPython 2019 Conference App
> >
> >   * https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/ *
> >
> >
> > Engage with the conference and its attendees
> > 
> >
> > The mobile app gives you access to the conference schedule (even
> > offline), helps you in planing your conference experience (create your
> > personal schedule with reminders) and provides a rich social
> > engagement platform for all attendees.
> >
> > You can create a profile within the app or link this to your existing
> > social accounts, share messages and photos, and easily reach out to
> > other fellow attendees - all from within the app.
> >
> > Vital for all EuroPython 2019 attendees
> > ---
> >
> > We will again use the conference app to keep you updated by sending
> > updates of the schedule and inform you of important announcements via
> > push notifications, so please consider downloading it.
> >
> > Many useful features
> > 
> >
> > Please see our EuroPython 2019 Conference App page for more details on
> > features and guides on how to use them.
> >
> >https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/conference-app/
> >
> >
> > Don’t forget to get your EuroPython ticket
> > --
> >
> > If you want to join the EuroPython fun, be sure to get your tickets as
> > soon as possible.
> >
> >https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> >
> > Dates and Venues
> > 
> >
> > EuroPython will be held from July 8-14 2019 in Basel, Switzerland, at
> > the Congress Center Basel (CCB) for the main conference days (Wed-Fri)
> > and the FHNW Muttenz for the workshops/trainings/sprints days
> > (Mon-Tue, Sat-Sun).
> >
> > The schedule is available at:
> >
> >https://ep2019.europython.eu/events/schedule/
> >
> > Tickets can be purchased on our registration page:
> >
> >https://ep2019.europython.eu/registration/buy-tickets/
> >
> > For more details, please have a look at our website and the FAQ:
> >
> >https://ep2019.europython.eu/faq
> >
> >
> > Help spread the word
> > 
> >
> > Please help us spread this message by sharing it on your social
> > networks as widely as possible. Thank you !
> >
> > Link to the blog post:
> >
> >
> https://blog.europython.eu/post/185858710877/europython-2019-mobile-conference-app-available
> >
> > Tweet:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/europython/status/1143796573702434817
> >
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > --
> > EuroPython 2019 Team
> > https://ep2019.europython.eu/
> > https://www.europython-society.org/
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