Re: Waves installation?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about accessibility? 
It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first heard about 
these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they were back in 
the days?

In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things for 
you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
fall under that, probably not, but, still...

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
adding them, even without tweaking anything!

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:


Hi,
Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
VoiceOver accessibility issues;
Amir Vinci 
Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
under the CEO! ;)
While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
Gilad Keren 
Talk soon


On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:


  Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug ins 
are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same method I 
using waves central I believe. 


On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
wrote:


You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs and 
activates plugins.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and activate 
them totally on their own with no sighted help. I know in the past, even after 
they apparently, from what I hear dropped the iLok scheme, it still! wasn't all 
that accessible.

  I'm just wonderring what the status on this is.

  I have the custom presets for the CLA2A, and have had someone sighted 
help me get those installed, but I'm now seriously considerring looking at more 
of those plugs. I just don't know what's accessible or for that mind, if any of 
these offer trials so I can try them in perspective with my own sessions before 
actually buying 'em. It's one thing to hear someone else's session that used 
them, but I really want to hear them with my own stuff to see if it would be 
worth my investment.

  Chris.


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Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Are you talking about the CLA2A? That's kind of an auto gain. It's a 
compressor, but in a sense, that's basically kind a what it does, is to auto 
gain things.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Covici 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools


  Well, I can't remember the name, but someone at Sweetwater told me
  about a waves plugin that did autogain and I would like to use this
  with pt.  I will have to check and see what kind of license I already
  have, etc.


  On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:21:22 -0500,
  Jesse Kragiel wrote:
  > 
  > Most controls in their plugins are exposed, so I'm sure it's possible. 
Which plugin are you referring to?
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  > > On Feb 28, 2017, at 6:12 PM, John Covici  wrote:
  > > 
  > > I heard waves has a great auto gain plug in which I would love to use
  > > -- is it possible with voiceover?
  > > 
  > > Thanks.
  > > 
  > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:18:43 -0500,
  > > Slau Halatyn wrote:
  > >> 
  > >> [1  ]
  > >> [2  ]
  > >> Hi Jesse,
  > >> Yes, it's absolutely possible to do that and once people have done it 
for a plug-in and shared it, others can benefit from it. I don't use Waves 
plug-ins (although I have a couple of their bundles). One issue with the Waves 
toolbar is
  > >> that it dynamically changes along with the particular plug-in. So, for 
example, the location of the Load button in the L2 plug-in is different from 
the X Click Load button. I have no idea how much the plug-in toolbars differ 
among the
  > >> various Waves plug-ins. I've created a plug-in view for the L2 with the 
basic toolbar button positions and they work for bringing up menus and such. 
I'm not likely to spend the time mapping out coordinates for the various 
controls but,
  > >> of course, other users are free to do so and share the plug-in views. If 
you're not subscribed to the PTAccess Drop Box, forward the email address you 
use and I'll send an invite. There you'll find some of the plug-in view 
documents.
  > >> 
  > >> Best,
  > >> Slau
  > >> 
  > >> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
wrote:
  > >> 
  > >> Hey y'all! Does anyone know if it's possible to create some sort of 
plugin view where the Waves tool bar is accessible with Flo Tools to load 
plugin presets and such things? I've gotten sighted people to click on the load 
screen, and
  > >> a menu comes up that's accessible with Voiceover, but getting there 
independently is a different story altogether. The Waves stuff sounds better 
than anything else I have, and I'd even love to use the IR reverbs, but at this 
point,
  > >> that's impossible since we have no way of loading impulse files. Any 
suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Waves installation?

[Jesse Kragiel]

Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once to 
make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run within 
what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple itself has 
not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way for us to 
actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot more we 
could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for granted. 
The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an accessible way to 
move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really make a difference. 
Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is blind. They're 
completely aware of their software's limitations, and are doing what they can 
to help us, including even expressing interest in doing so. You forget that 
just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were accessible for us at 
all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar solution we used to 
enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access has come a long way, 
and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what we have, while 
continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for us. We got here, 
not because we were bullies, but because we were politely expressive in wanting 
access.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about accessibility? 
> It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first heard about 
> these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they were back 
> in the days?
>  
> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jesse Kragiel
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
> 
> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
>> Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
>> VoiceOver accessibility issues;
>> Amir Vinci 
>> Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just under 
>> the CEO! ;)
>> While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
>> Gilad Keren 
>> Talk soon
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
>>> using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
>>> ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
>>> method I using waves central I believe. 
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  wrote:
 
 You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs and 
 activates plugins.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and activate them 
> totally on their own with no sighted help. I know in the past, even after 
> they apparently, from what I hear dropped the iLok scheme, it still! 
> wasn't all that accessible.
>  
> I'm just wonderring what the status on this is.
>  
> I have the custom presets for the CLA2A, and have had someone sighted 
> help me get those installed, but I'm now seriously considerring looking 
> at more of those plugs. I just don't know what's accessible or for that 
> mind, if any of these offer trials so I can try them in perspective with 
> my own sessions before actually buying 'em. It's one thing to hear 
> someone else's session that used them, but I really want to hear them 
> with my own stuff to see if it would be worth my investment.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Waves installation?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Very valid points made. I stand corrected, and apologize. My comments were 
uncalled for. Forgive me.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once to 
make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run within 
what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple itself has 
not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way for us to 
actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot more we 
could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for granted. 
The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an accessible way to 
move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really make a difference. 
Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is blind. They're 
completely aware of their software's limitations, and are doing what they can 
to help us, including even expressing interest in doing so. You forget that 
just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were accessible for us at 
all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar solution we used to 
enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access has come a long way, 
and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what we have, while 
continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for us. We got here, 
not because we were bullies, but because we were politely expressive in wanting 
access.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first 
heard about these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they 
were back in the days?

In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
fall under that, probably not, but, still...

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. 
It may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
adding them, even without tweaking anything!

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
 wrote:


Hi, 
Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you. 
Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of 
their VoiceOver accessibility issues;
Amir Vinci 
Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
under the CEO! ;)
While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
Gilad Keren 
Talk soon


On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:


  Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good 
about using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
method I using waves central I believe.  


On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel 
 wrote:


You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs 
and activates plugins.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and 
activate them totally on their own with no sighted help. I know in the past, 
even after they apparently, from what I hear dropped the iLok scheme, it still! 
wasn't all that accessible.

  I'm just wonderring what the status on this is.

  I have the custom presets for the CLA2A, and have had someone 
sighted help me get those installed, but I'm now seriously considerring looking 
at more of those plugs. I just don't know what's accessible or for that mind, 
if any of these offer trials so I can try them in perspective with my own 
sessions before actually buying 'em. It's one thing to hear someone else's 
session that used them, but I really want to hear them with my own stuff to see 
if it would be worth my investment.

  Chris.


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VoiceOver - Mouse settings

[Martin (Punky) Sopart]

Hi all!

Some time ago I wrote that I'm not able to work with the MIDI event list in
PT because of having problems with double mouse clicks.
All times when performing a double mouse click by pressing Shift+VO+Space
the clicks select another event than the desired one.

Further I just realized that I'm also not able to work with mouse down.
When trying to press mouse down on a track in the mnix whindow VO reports
something else than "mouse down on track xy".

I think that some mouse settings are broken here.
Maybe in system prefs mouse, system prefs accessibility, VoiceOver utility
or a mix of them.
Another idea is that the whindow layouts of PT are mixed up somehow.

I have the same problems on 2 macs.

So could someone give me a helpful hint where to start searching?

Thanks and best! / Martin

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Re: Waves installation?

[Jesse Kragiel]

Oh I wasn't trying to be patronizing, but in this day where everyone feels 
entitled, and protests and makes a scene when they feel they've been slighted, 
it's always good to remember that those tactics sometimes get results, but not 
the ones we necessarily want. It's kinda like when the NFB thought it would be 
cute to discuss a class action against Avid and other companies. I much prefer 
things going the way they are with healthy dialog between us and manufacturers. 
Full access may take longer, but in the end, I believe the level of it will be 
far better.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Very valid points made. I stand corrected, and apologize. My comments were 
> uncalled for. Forgive me.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jesse Kragiel
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
> 
> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way 
> for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot 
> more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for 
> granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an 
> accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really 
> make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is 
> blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, and are 
> doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest in doing 
> so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were 
> accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar 
> solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access 
> has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what 
> we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for 
> us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because we were politely 
> expressive in wanting access.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about accessibility? 
>> It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first heard about 
>> these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they were back 
>> in the days?
>>  
>> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
>> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
>> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
>> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jesse Kragiel
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
>> 
>> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
>> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
>> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
>> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
>> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
>>> Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
>>> VoiceOver accessibility issues;
>>> Amir Vinci 
>>> Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
>>> under the CEO! ;)
>>> While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
>>> Gilad Keren 
>>> Talk soon
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
 
 Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
 using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
 ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
 method I using waves central I believe. 
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
> wrote:
> 
> You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs and 
> activates plugins.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and activate them 
>> totally on their own withno sighted help. I know in the 
>> past, even after they apparently, from what I hear dro

Re: Waves installation?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jesse,
Just to give a bit of Waves accessibility history.
The Waves tool bar use to be accessible back in the day!
They have been made aware of the change in accessibility for a while now.
Thats the reason I posted those email addresses.
Its now time for Waves to hear from the blind engineers out there not just my 
self or Mike!
A very easy quick accessibility feature "fix" you guys might mention is for 
Waves   to provide the pro tools presets for there plugs with all Waves plugs 
at installation.

As usual professional courtesy  and spell checking is always a nice idea! :)
So heres the CEO and His top guys email to let them know I'm not the only 1 out 
here!
Gilad Keren , Amir Vinci 
Even if  you don't own any Waves products let them know "nicely" your $ is 
waiting on them to do the right thing!
Talk soon
Chuck


On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel wrote:

> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way 
> for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot 
> more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for 
> granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an 
> accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really 
> make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is 
> blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, and are 
> doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest in doing 
> so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were 
> accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar 
> solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access 
> has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what 
> we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for 
> us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because we were politely 
> expressive in wanting access.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about accessibility? 
>> It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first heard about 
>> these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they were back 
>> in the days?
>>  
>> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
>> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
>> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
>> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jesse Kragiel
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
>> 
>> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
>> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
>> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
>> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
>> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
>>> Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
>>> VoiceOver accessibility issues;
>>> Amir Vinci 
>>> Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
>>> under the CEO! ;)
>>> While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
>>> Gilad Keren 
>>> Talk soon
>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> 
 Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
 using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
 ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
 method I using waves central I believe. 
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
> wrote:
> 
> You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs and 
> activates plugins.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and activate them 
>> totally on their own with no sighted help. I know in the past, even 
>> after they apparently, from what I hear dropped the iLok scheme, it 
>> still! wasn't all that accessible.
>>  
>> I'm just wonderring w

Re: Waves installation?

[Jesse Kragiel]

Chuck,
I mentioned the preset thing to Amir in my email of yesterday. It really does 
almost seem quicker for them to be able to make the toolbar accessible though, 
or at least give us a key command to open the presets list. I definitely do 
love their stuff though!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jesse,
> Just to give a bit of Waves accessibility history.
> The Waves tool bar use to be accessible back in the day!
> They have been made aware of the change in accessibility for a while now.
> Thats the reason I posted those email addresses.
> Its now time for Waves to hear from the blind engineers out there not just my 
> self or Mike!
> A very easy quick accessibility feature "fix" you guys might mention is for 
> Waves   to provide the pro tools presets for there plugs with all Waves plugs 
> at installation.
> 
> As usual professional courtesy  and spell checking is always a nice idea! :)
> So heres the CEO and His top guys email to let them know I'm not the only 1 
> out here!
> Gilad Keren , Amir Vinci 
> Even if  you don't own any Waves products let them know "nicely" your $ is 
> waiting on them to do the right thing!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
>> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
>> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
>> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
>> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way 
>> for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a 
>> lot more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people 
>> take for granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as 
>> an accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could 
>> really make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little of 
>> it is blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, and 
>> are doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest in 
>> doing so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools 
>> were accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the 
>> Sonar solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say 
>> access has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be thankful 
>> for what we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work on 
>> solutions for us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because we 
>> were politely expressive in wanting access.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
>>> accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I 
>>> first heard about these guys, and things still are not any more accessible 
>>> than they were back in the days?
>>>  
>>> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
>>> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
>>> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
>>> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Jesse Kragiel
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
>>> 
>>> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
>>> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
>>> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
>>> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
>>> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
 Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
 VoiceOver accessibility issues;
 Amir Vinci 
 Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
 under the CEO! ;)
 While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
 Gilad Keren 
 Talk soon
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> 
> Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
> using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
> ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the 
> same method I using waves central I believe.
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You still need sighted assistance for Waves

Re: Waves installation?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jesse,
,
Great.
The presets and key commands are a good quick fix.
In fact the key commands would make it faster for sighted users I believe.
Not having to direct the mouse and so forth and so forth. :)
May be we can get 50 or 100 of the list to make the same suggestions to Amir 
and see them implemented ASAP!
Jesse, What part of the "globe" are you located in?
Talk soon
Chuck


On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Jesse Kragiel wrote:

> Chuck,
> I mentioned the preset thing to Amir in my email of yesterday. It really does 
> almost seem quicker for them to be able to make the toolbar accessible 
> though, or at least give us a key command to open the presets list. I 
> definitely do love their stuff though!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jesse,
>> Just to give a bit of Waves accessibility history.
>> The Waves tool bar use to be accessible back in the day!
>> They have been made aware of the change in accessibility for a while now.
>> Thats the reason I posted those email addresses.
>> Its now time for Waves to hear from the blind engineers out there not just 
>> my self or Mike!
>> A very easy quick accessibility feature "fix" you guys might mention is for 
>> Waves   to provide the pro tools presets for there plugs with all Waves 
>> plugs at installation.
>> 
>> As usual professional courtesy  and spell checking is always a nice idea! :)
>> So heres the CEO and His top guys email to let them know I'm not the only 1 
>> out here!
>> Gilad Keren , Amir Vinci 
>> Even if  you don't own any Waves products let them know "nicely" your $ is 
>> waiting on them to do the right thing!
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
>>> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
>>> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
>>> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
>>> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a 
>>> way for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably 
>>> a lot more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people 
>>> take for granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as 
>>> an accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could 
>>> really make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little 
>>> of it is blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, 
>>> and are doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest 
>>> in doing so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro 
>>> Tools were accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, 
>>> and the Sonar solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. 
>>> I'd say access has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be 
>>> thankful for what we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work 
>>> on solutions for us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because 
>>> we were politely expressive in wanting access.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
 accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I 
 first heard about these guys, and things still are not any more  
 accessible than they were back in the days?
  
 In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of 
 things for you, but that still should never be a sollution for 
 considerring good accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm 
 not sure this would fall under that, probably not, but, still...
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Jesse Kragiel
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Waves installation?
 
 Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. 
 It may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and 
 that's a wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right 
 now, I'm absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a 
 mix just by adding them, even without tweaking anything!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
> Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
> VoiceOver accessibility issues;
> Amir Vinci 
> Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
> under the CEO! ;)
> While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;

Re: Waves installation?

[TheOreoMonster]

Hey Jesse, 

Can you clarify what you mean the mouse pointer and hearing wats under it isn’t 
accessible? In VO settings I can set VO cursor to follow mouse pointer and move 
the mouse or track pad and have VO report whats under the mouse. I have used 
this numerous times to click on checkboxes and buttons on websites and etc that 
didn’t respond to keyboard commands. This was also a great work around for 
accessing the menus extra area or the status bar back in the days of it not 
being accessible. However this can only work if the element under the mouse is 
visible to VO already. So in this case it seems the wave toolbar would first 
need to be visible to VO before using the mouse would be a worthwhile solution. 
So was just a little confused by what you meant if you don’t mind clarifying.

Thanks, 

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel  wrote:
> 
> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way 
> for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot 
> more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for 
> granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an 
> accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really 
> make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is 
> blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, and are 
> doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest in doing 
> so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were 
> accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar 
> solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access 
> has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what 
> we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for 
> us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because we were politely 
> expressive in wanting access.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about accessibility? 
>> It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first heard about 
>> these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they were back 
>> in the days?
>>  
>> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
>> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
>> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
>> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jesse Kragiel 
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
>> 
>> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
>> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
>> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
>> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
>> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
>>> Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
>>> VoiceOver accessibility issues;
>>> Amir Vinci mailto:a...@waves.com>>
>>> Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
>>> under the CEO! ;)
>>> While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
>>> Gilad Keren mailto:gi...@waves.com>>
>>> Talk soon
>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> 
 Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
 using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
 ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
 method I using waves central I believe. 
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  > wrote:
> 
> You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which installs and 
> activates plugins.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Now adays, can a sighted person install Waves plugins and activate them 

Re: VoiceOver - Mouse settings

[TheOreoMonster]

Set Pro Tools to full screen or make sure no other windows are open other than 
the one you are working in. You can see all open windows by pressing VO+F2 
Twice quickly. Depending on your settings you may need to hold down the FN key 
as well.

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Martin (Punky) Sopart  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Some time ago I wrote that I'm not able to work with the MIDI event list in
> PT because of having problems with double mouse clicks.
> All times when performing a double mouse click by pressing Shift+VO+Space
> the clicks select another event than the desired one.
> 
> Further I just realized that I'm also not able to work with mouse down.
> When trying to press mouse down on a track in the mnix whindow VO reports
> something else than "mouse down on track xy".
> 
> I think that some mouse settings are broken here.
> Maybe in system prefs mouse, system prefs accessibility, VoiceOver utility
> or a mix of them.
> Another idea is that the whindow layouts of PT are mixed up somehow.
> 
> I have the same problems on 2 macs.
> 
> So could someone give me a helpful hint where to start searching?
> 
> Thanks and best! / Martin
> 
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Re: Waves installation?

[Jesse Kragiel]

In other words, make the mouse pointer as accessible on Mac as Jaws used to on 
the PC. Yes, the elements would have to be accessible to VO, but there should 
be a way to make them so. At this point, if we can't get to something with the 
keyboard in VO, then VO won't read its elements with the mouse either.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:40 AM, TheOreoMonster  wrote:
> 
> Hey Jesse, 
> 
> Can you clarify what you mean the mouse pointer and hearing wats under it 
> isn’t accessible? In VO settings I can set VO cursor to follow mouse pointer 
> and move the mouse or track pad and have VO report whats under the mouse. I 
> have used this numerous times to click on checkboxes and buttons on websites 
> and etc that didn’t respond to keyboard commands. This was also a great work 
> around for accessing the menus extra area or the status bar back in the days 
> of it not being accessible. However this can only work if the element under 
> the mouse is visible to VO already. So in this case it seems the wave toolbar 
> would first need to be visible to VO before using the mouse would be a 
> worthwhile solution. So was just a little confused by what you meant if you 
> don’t mind clarifying.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
>> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
>> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
>> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
>> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way 
>> for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a 
>> lot more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people 
>> take for granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as 
>> an accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could 
>> really make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little of 
>> it is blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, and 
>> are doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest in 
>> doing so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools 
>> were accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the 
>> Sonar solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say 
>> access has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be thankful 
>> for what we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work on 
>> solutions for us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because we 
>> were politely expressive in wanting access.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
>>> accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I 
>>> first heard about these guys, and things still are not any more accessible 
>>> than they were back in the days?
>>>  
>>> In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of things 
>>> for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring good 
>>> accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this would 
>>> fall under that, probably not, but, still...
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Jesse Kragiel
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Waves installation?
>>> 
>>> Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. It 
>>> may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and that's a 
>>> wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, I'm 
>>> absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
>>> adding them, even without tweaking anything!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for you.
 Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of their 
 VoiceOver accessibility issues;
 Amir Vinci 
 Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's just 
 under the CEO! ;)
 While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address below;
 Gilad Keren 
 Talk soon
 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> 
> Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good about 
> using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
> ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the 
> same method I using waves central I believe. 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You still need sighted assistance 

Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools

[TheOreoMonster]

I imagine they are probably referring to the line of rider plug ins. Vocal 
rider, bass rider etc.  You set the max  and minimum amount of gain and it will 
“ride the vocal or bass” for you to keep it in that range that you set.  
Supposed to be a work around for having to write automation to do this.  Some 
compressors like the one mentioned in the previous email can do similar things 
but its doing it by limiting or compressing the dynamic range of the audio so 
it can keep it closer to one level. The rider plug ins just essentially turn 
the volume up and down with out actually effecting the audio in any way if I 
understand how they   work correctly. 

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about the CLA2A? That's kind of an auto gain. It's a 
> compressor, but in a sense, that's basically kind a what it does, is to auto 
> gain things.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: John Covici 
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools
>> 
>> Well, I can't remember the name, but someone at Sweetwater told me
>> about a waves plugin that did autogain and I would like to use this
>> with pt.  I will have to check and see what kind of license I already
>> have, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:21:22 -0500,
>> Jesse Kragiel wrote:
>> > 
>> > Most controls in their plugins are exposed, so I'm sure it's possible. 
>> > Which plugin are you referring to?
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> > > On Feb 28, 2017, at 6:12 PM, John Covici > > > > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > I heard waves has a great auto gain plug in which I would love to use
>> > > -- is it possible with voiceover?
>> > > 
>> > > Thanks.
>> > > 
>> > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:18:43 -0500,
>> > > Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> > >> 
>> > >> [1  ]
>> > >> [2  ]
>> > >> Hi Jesse,
>> > >> Yes, it's absolutely possible to do that and once people have done it 
>> > >> for a plug-in and shared it, others can benefit from it. I don't use 
>> > >> Waves plug-ins (although I have a couple of their bundles). One issue 
>> > >> with the Waves toolbar is
>> > >> that it dynamically changes along with the particular plug-in. So, for 
>> > >> example, the location of the Load button in the L2 plug-in is different 
>> > >> from the X Click Load button. I have no idea how much the plug-in 
>> > >> toolbars differ among the
>> > >> various Waves plug-ins. I've created a plug-in view for the L2 with the 
>> > >> basic toolbar button positions and they work for bringing up menus and 
>> > >> such. I'm not likely to spend the time mapping out coordinates for the 
>> > >> various controls but,
>> > >> of course, other users are free to do so and share the plug-in views. 
>> > >> If you're not subscribed to the PTAccess Drop Box, forward the email 
>> > >> address you use and I'll send an invite. There you'll find some of the 
>> > >> plug-in view documents.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Best,
>> > >> Slau
>> > >> 
>> > >> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jesse Kragiel > > >> > wrote:
>> > >> 
>> > >> Hey y'all! Does anyone know if it's possible to create some sort of 
>> > >> plugin view where the Waves tool bar is accessible with Flo Tools to 
>> > >> load plugin presets and such things? I've gotten sighted people to 
>> > >> click on the load screen, and
>> > >> a menu comes up that's accessible with Voiceover, but getting there 
>> > >> independently is a different story altogether. The Waves stuff sounds 
>> > >> better than anything else I have, and I'd even love to use the IR 
>> > >> reverbs, but at this point,
>> > >> that's impossible since we have no way of loading impulse files. Any 
>> > >> suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>> > >> 
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>> > > How do
>> > > you spend it?
>> > > 
>> > > John Covici
>> > >   

Re: Waves installation?

[Slau Halatyn]

This is no different from any concern over UI elements being accessible to the 
OS. Actually, this is both the pro and con. As Steve said, items that are 
visible can be spoken when navigated over with the mouse but, by that same 
token, if they're visible, one need not use the mouse, per se. The issue with 
plug-ins is that they are their own environment and can be authored in any of 
several different development platforms. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as 
saying to a developer, "Hey, make your toolbar accessible, please." This has to 
be a coordinated effort with not only Avid but other DAW platforms. Keyboard 
shortcuts will get us most of the way but some things will be more challenging 
and there isn't a simple solution. Nevertheless, raising awareness is OK but, 
without the cooperation of the other dAW platforms, we're spinning our wheels.

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Jesse Kragiel  wrote:
> 
> In other words, make the mouse pointer as accessible on Mac as Jaws used to 
> on the PC. Yes, the elements would have to be accessible to VO, but there 
> should be a way to make them so. At this point, if we can't get to something 
> with the keyboard in VO, then VO won't read its elements with the mouse 
> either.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:40 AM, TheOreoMonster  > wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jesse, 
>> 
>> Can you clarify what you mean the mouse pointer and hearing wats under it 
>> isn’t accessible? In VO settings I can set VO cursor to follow mouse pointer 
>> and move the mouse or track pad and have VO report whats under the mouse. I 
>> have used this numerous times to click on checkboxes and buttons on websites 
>> and etc that didn’t respond to keyboard commands. This was also a great work 
>> around for accessing the menus extra area or the status bar back in the days 
>> of it not being accessible. However this can only work if the element under 
>> the mouse is visible to VO already. So in this case it seems the wave 
>> toolbar would first need to be visible to VO before using the mouse would be 
>> a worthwhile solution. So was just a little confused by what you meant if 
>> you don’t mind clarifying.
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:30 AM, Jesse Kragiel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
>>> cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once 
>>> to make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run 
>>> within what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple 
>>> itself has not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a 
>>> way for us to actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably 
>>> a lot more we could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people 
>>> take for granted. The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as 
>>> an accessible way to move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could 
>>> really make a difference. Waves has a large install base, and very little 
>>> of it is blind. They're completely aware of their software's limitations, 
>>> and are doing what they can to help us, including even expressing interest 
>>> in doing so. You forget that just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro 
>>> Tools were accessible for us at all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, 
>>> and the Sonar solution we used to enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. 
>>> I'd say access has come a long way, and first and foremost, we should be 
>>> thankful for what we have, while continuing to encourage developers to work 
>>> on solutions for us. We got here, not because we were bullies, but because 
>>> we were politely expressive in wanting access.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
 accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I 
 first heard about these guys, and things still are not any more accessible 
 than they were back in the days?
  
 In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of 
 things for you, but that still should never be a sollution for 
 considerring good accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm 
 not sure this would fall under that, probably not, but, still...
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Jesse Kragiel 
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Waves installation?
 
 Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with me. 
 It may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and 
 that's a wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins

Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools

[John Covici]

I will have to ask again and see what it was.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:56:36 -0500,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> [2  ]
> Are you talking about the CLA2A? That's kind of an auto gain. It's a 
> compressor, but in a sense, that's basically kind a what it does, is to auto 
> gain things.
> Chris.
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: John Covici 
>  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: Waves Plugins with Flo Tools
> 
>  Well, I can't remember the name, but someone at Sweetwater told me
>  about a waves plugin that did autogain and I would like to use this
>  with pt. I will have to check and see what kind of license I already
>  have, etc.
> 
>  On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:21:22 -0500,
>  Jesse Kragiel wrote:
>  > 
>  > Most controls in their plugins are exposed, so I'm sure it's possible. 
> Which plugin are you referring to?
>  > 
>  > Sent from my iPhone
>  > 
>  > > On Feb 28, 2017, at 6:12 PM, John Covici  wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > I heard waves has a great auto gain plug in which I would love to use
>  > > -- is it possible with voiceover?
>  > > 
>  > > Thanks.
>  > > 
>  > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:18:43 -0500,
>  > > Slau Halatyn wrote:
>  > >> 
>  > >> [1 ]
>  > >> [2 ]
>  > >> Hi Jesse,
>  > >> Yes, it's absolutely possible to do that and once people have done it 
> for a plug-in and shared it, others can benefit from it. I don't use Waves 
> plug-ins (although I have a couple of their bundles). One issue with the Waves
>  toolbar is
>  > >> that it dynamically changes along with the particular plug-in. So, for 
> example, the location of the Load button in the L2 plug-in is different from 
> the X Click Load button. I have no idea how much the plug-in toolbars differ
>  among the
>  > >> various Waves plug-ins. I've created a plug-in view for the L2 with the 
> basic toolbar button positions and they work for bringing up menus and such. 
> I'm not likely to spend the time mapping out coordinates for the various
>  controls but,
>  > >> of course, other users are free to do so and share the plug-in views. 
> If you're not subscribed to the PTAccess Drop Box, forward the email address 
> you use and I'll send an invite. There you'll find some of the plug-in view
>  documents.
>  > >> 
>  > >> Best,
>  > >> Slau
>  > >> 
>  > >> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jesse Kragiel  
> wrote:
>  > >> 
>  > >> Hey y'all! Does anyone know if it's possible to create some sort of 
> plugin view where the Waves tool bar is accessible with Flo Tools to load 
> plugin presets and such things? I've gotten sighted people to click on the 
> load
>  screen, and
>  > >> a menu comes up that's accessible with Voiceover, but getting there 
> independently is a different story altogether. The Waves stuff sounds better 
> than anything else I have, and I'd even love to use the IR reverbs, but at 
> this
>  point,
>  > >> that's impossible since we have no way of loading impulse files. Any 
> suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>  > >> 
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Re: 2 questions Regarding the Pt access folder in dropbox

[ben blatchford]

Can someone also add me to the protools dropbox folder? My email address 
is: benbla...@gmail.com
Thanks,
Ben Blatchford


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 8:47:58 AM UTC-8, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for you, but if I need to use Kontakt inside Protools, 
> what can I do? 
>
>
> On 2/21/17, Slau Halatyn > wrote: 
> > Hi Ramy, 
> > 
> > The TT file is for using team Talk. I personally have never used it so 
> > someone else could chime in about that. 
> > 
> > The Kontakt macros are for opening patches and adding libraries in the 
> > stand-alone Kontakt. To get the most benefit, you need to have both the 
> > Kontakt and Content Missing macro groups present plus there's one more 
> macro 
> > that needs to reside in your Global group. I'll have to make a couple of 
> > adjustments and I'll write some instructions within the next couple of 
> days 
> > and will let the list know when they're ready. 
> > 
> > Slau 
> > 
> >> On Feb 20, 2017, at 5:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa  > 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 1st o  all: 
> >> Thanks so much Slau for adding me to this wonderful Dropbox Folder 
> >> I have 2 Questions: 
> >> : 
> >> I found a file called ProToolsAccess.tt, is it useful in something? 
> >> 
> >> the second question related to keyboard maistro Macros, I found macros 
> >> for kontakt, does it means that  we can use Kontakt 5 to open patches, 
> >> Libraries,  save patches etc or what? and how can I know the short 
> >> cuts for this? 
> >> I'm very new to the keyboard maestro. 
> >> Thanks 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
> >> Music instructor @: 
> >> Faculty ofmusical education 
> >> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
> >> Harmony Recording Studio 
> >> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
> >> 
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Re: Waves installation?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I know you weren't, but still, the way I responded probably wasn't the most 
appropriate, admittedly.

Anyway, it's all good.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Oh I wasn't trying to be patronizing, but in this day where everyone feels 
entitled, and protests and makes a scene when they feel they've been slighted, 
it's always good to remember that those tactics sometimes get results, but not 
the ones we necessarily want. It's kinda like when the NFB thought it would be 
cute to discuss a class action against Avid and other companies. I much prefer 
things going the way they are with healthy dialog between us and manufacturers. 
Full access may take longer, but in the end, I believe the level of it will be 
far better.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Very valid points made. I stand corrected, and apologize. My comments were 
uncalled for. Forgive me.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Chris, a few things actually stand in the way. One of them is the 
cross-platform nature of the plugins. They write the foundational code once to 
make it work in both Mac and Windows. The other thing is that they run within 
what ever host they're installed in. The other hurtle is that Apple itself has 
not made the mouse pointer accessible at all. If there were a way for us to 
actually hear what was under the mouse, then there's probably a lot more we 
could actually do regarding many plugins that sighted people take for granted. 
The first line of questioning may need to go to Apple, as an accessible way to 
move and hear what the mouse pointer lands on could really make a difference. 
Waves has a large install base, and very little of it is blind. They're 
completely aware of their software's limitations, and are doing what they can 
to help us, including even expressing interest in doing so. You forget that 
just a few years ago, neither Logic nor Pro Tools were accessible for us at 
all! Windows users still can't enjoy PT, and the Sonar solution we used to 
enjoy is now 6 or 7 versions out of date. I'd say access has come a long way, 
and first and foremost, we should be thankful for what we have, while 
continuing to encourage developers to work on solutions for us. We got here, 
not because we were bullies, but because we were politely expressive in wanting 
access.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I'm curious why things are not accessible, if they care about 
accessibility? It's been now what... almost 4 years, if not more, since I first 
heard about these guys, and things still are not any more accessible than they 
were back in the days?

In you all's defense, yes, they will help remote in and take care of 
things for you, but that still should never be a sollution for considerring 
good accessibility, and now with A11Y being where it is, I'm not sure this 
would fall under that, probably not, but, still...

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse Kragiel 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Waves installation?


  Amir's the man! I emailed him this mrning and he got right back with 
me. It may not be overnight, but Waves seems to care about our needs, and 
that's a wonderful thing! They make incredible sounding plugins, and right now, 
I'm absolutely in love with the SSL series! They add character to a mix just by 
adding them, even without tweaking anything!

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 28, 2017, at 4:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
 wrote:


Hi, 
Yes Waves will remote in to your box and take care of all that for 
you. 
Drop Amir an email and tell him you need help with Waves because of 
their VoiceOver accessibility issues;
Amir Vinci 
Amir Vinci is Director of Pro Audio Products Waves Audio Ltd He's 
just under the CEO! ;)
While your at it heres the CEO and He checks this email address 
below;
Gilad Keren 
Talk soon


On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:


  Sighted assistance is still needed, however waves support is good 
about using team viewer to get you up and running if needed. Demos of the plug 
ins are available and you will need to activate the demos through the same 
method I using waves central I believe.  


On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Jesse Kragiel 
 wrote:


You still need sighted assistance for Waves Central which 
installs and activates plugins.