Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[TheOreoMonster]

Anyone tested if this is accessible on the Mac version of Sound Forge?

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> Peter, go ALT+T for the Tools Menu, then S for Statistics. Wait a moment, and 
> examine the window with your Jaws cursor.
> 
> 
> At 09:22 AM 8/25/2017, you wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>> 
>> 
>> You wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Â Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11
>> 
>> How do you do that please?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: Thunderbolt or Firewire

[Nickus de Vos]

Chuck, you say UAD plugs are now accessible in 12.8? I always wanted to enter 
the UAD eco system but accessibility held me back. 

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 25 Aug 2017, at 17:17, Phil Muir  wrote:
> 
> Or as you are not requiring a lot of inputs you could even go USB if required.
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: 25 August 2017 15:08
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Thunderbolt or Firewire
>  
> Hi in my opinion FireWire is pretty much dead, yes you still get the 
> converters to connect FireWire devices to newer Mac's, but buying a new 
> FireWire device at this stage when you can go for thunderbolt directly, won't 
> be such a smart move.
> Thunderbolt is much newer technology with much faster throughput and it will 
> be supported for some time to come, where some manufacturers already started 
> discontinuing support for FireWire.
>  
> As for your issue of only having one thunderbolt port, most fundable devices 
> monitors, drives, and audio interfaces,  have more than one port on them 
> which allows you to daisy chain devices.  Look for a interface with 2 
> Thunderbolt ports, run out off your computer into the interface, and out of 
> the Interface into your monitor. 
>  
> Look at the Focusrite Clarett interfaces, just keep in mind from what I 
> understand there Control software isn't accessible on the Mac. 
>  
>  
> 
> Nickus
> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2017, at 15:37, Phil Muir  wrote:
>> Doesn't matter really because firewire is still a good choice.  Also you are
>> still future proofed because as long as there's thunderbolt then chances are
>> you can get a firewire to thunderbolt converter and still use the firewire
>> device.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Peter Bosher
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 14:29
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Thunderbolt or Firewire
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
>> Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
>> port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
>> connecting an interface?
>> 
>> 
>> Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
>> at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
>> the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[TheOreoMonster]

Lets tr that again, Grab Pro Level here.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/prolevel/id526304550?mt=12 



> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Are their anyone who found a usable loudness meter plug-in enabling you to 
> master to specific loudness standards? From time to time I must master some 
> things for TV or radio and I’m finding this harder and harder to do with the 
> enforcement of loudness standards getting more strict.
> 
> All these type plug-ins like Izotope Loudness Controll are purely visual, 
> making them impossible to use for a blind person. Anyone came across a semi 
> accessible plug-in or have some clever work around? I’m sure there are some 
> of you on this list who came across this problem before, I know there’s 
> someone on here who does a lot of mastering, I can’t remember the name now.
> 
> Nickus
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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[TheOreoMonster]

Pro Level may be worth a look. Doesn’t cover all the meter types but maybe 
useful.
. TheOreoMonster, 6 seconds ago. ProLevel - hashtag MacAppStore 
itunes.apple.com/us/app/proleve… 


Also BX Meter is on sale this month, maybe worth grabbing the demo to see if 
its usable as Brainworks stuff tends to work decently well with screen readers. 
 

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Nickus de Vos Pro level may be worth a look for 
> some meter types.

>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Are their anyone who found a usable loudness meter plug-in enabling you to 
> master to specific loudness standards? From time to time I must master some 
> things for TV or radio and I’m finding this harder and harder to do with the 
> enforcement of loudness standards getting more strict.
> 
> All these type plug-ins like Izotope Loudness Controll are purely visual, 
> making them impossible to use for a blind person. Anyone came across a semi 
> accessible plug-in or have some clever work around? I’m sure there are some 
> of you on this list who came across this problem before, I know there’s 
> someone on here who does a lot of mastering, I can’t remember the name now.
> 
> Nickus
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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Chris Smart]

Peter, go ALT+T for the Tools Menu, then S for 
Statistics. Wait a moment, and examine the window with your Jaws cursor.



At 09:22 AM 8/25/2017, you wrote:

Hi Phil,


You wrote:


 Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11

How do you do that please?

Best,

Peter

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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Chris Smart]

you can check things in the Statistics window in 
Sound Forge 11 or 12. all kinds of useful info in 
there: true peak, filtered true peak, momentary, 
average, and integrated LUFS, etc.


At 06:52 AM 8/25/2017, you wrote:

Hi all
Are their anyone who found a usable loudness 
meter plug-in enabling you to master to specific 
loudness standards? From time to time I must 
master some things for TV or radio and I’m 
finding this harder and harder to do with the 
enforcement of loudness standards getting more strict.


All these type plug-ins like Izotope Loudness 
Controll are purely visual, making them 
impossible to use for a blind person. Anyone 
came across a semi accessible plug-in or have 
some clever work around? I’m sure there are 
some of you on this list who came across this 
problem before, I know there’s someone on here 
who does a lot of mastering, I can’t remember the name now.


Nickus

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RE: Thunderbolt or Firewire

[Phil Muir]

Or as you are not requiring a lot of inputs you could even go USB if
required.

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: 25 August 2017 15:08
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thunderbolt or Firewire

 

Hi in my opinion FireWire is pretty much dead, yes you still get the
converters to connect FireWire devices to newer Mac's, but buying a new
FireWire device at this stage when you can go for thunderbolt directly,
won't be such a smart move.

Thunderbolt is much newer technology with much faster throughput and it will
be supported for some time to come, where some manufacturers already started
discontinuing support for FireWire.

 

As for your issue of only having one thunderbolt port, most fundable devices
monitors, drives, and audio interfaces,  have more than one port on them
which allows you to daisy chain devices.  Look for a interface with 2
Thunderbolt ports, run out off your computer into the interface, and out of
the Interface into your monitor. 

 

Look at the Focusrite Clarett interfaces, just keep in mind from what I
understand there Control software isn't accessible on the Mac. 

 

 

Nickus

Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...


On 25 Aug 2017, at 15:37, Phil Muir 
wrote:

Doesn't matter really because firewire is still a good choice.  Also you are
still future proofed because as long as there's thunderbolt then chances are
you can get a firewire to thunderbolt converter and still use the firewire
device.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Bosher
Sent: 25 August 2017 14:29
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Thunderbolt or Firewire

Hi All,


I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
connecting an interface?


Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?

Best,

Peter

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Re: Thunderbolt or Firewire

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Nickus,

Totally agree!
Firewire will soon be on display at the "smithsonian institute"! ;)
Heres a suggestion for you;
Universal Audio Apollo DUO
U get the uad plugs with it and the parameters  show up fine in PT.
Also it takes the load off your mac book pro for the uad plugs which are 
accessible in pt 12.8.
I have a Apollo DUO just for the plugs the Apollo has 2 thunderbolt ports.
I hang a thunderbolt hd on the Apollo at the end of my thunderbolt chain.
another option is to get a thunderbolt hub for your box.

Talk soon
Chuck

On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:

> Hi in my opinion FireWire is pretty much dead, yes you still get the 
> converters to connect FireWire devices to newer Mac's, but buying a new 
> FireWire device at this stage when you can go for thunderbolt directly, won't 
> be such a smart move.
> Thunderbolt is much newer technology with much faster throughput and it will 
> be supported for some time to come, where some manufacturers already started 
> discontinuing support for FireWire.
> 
> As for your issue of only having one thunderbolt port, most fundable devices 
> monitors, drives, and audio interfaces,  have more than one port on them 
> which allows you to daisy chain devices.  Look for a interface with 2 
> Thunderbolt ports, run out off your computer into the interface, and out of 
> the Interface into your monitor. 
> 
> Look at the Focusrite Clarett interfaces, just keep in mind from what I 
> understand there Control software isn't accessible on the Mac. 
> 
> 
> 
> Nickus
> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...
> 
> On 25 Aug 2017, at 15:37, Phil Muir  wrote:
> 
>> Doesn't matter really because firewire is still a good choice.  Also you are
>> still future proofed because as long as there's thunderbolt then chances are
>> you can get a firewire to thunderbolt converter and still use the firewire
>> device.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Peter Bosher
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 14:29
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Thunderbolt or Firewire
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
>> Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
>> port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
>> connecting an interface?
>> 
>> 
>> Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
>> at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
>> the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi Juan
Please elaborate on using them without difficulties. How much info and details 
can you see, what ports are accessible and what parts not? I'll  go check if 
they offer a demo Version.

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 25 Aug 2017, at 15:53, Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello. In izotope rX, there is the izotope loudness control. There you have 
> the pressets that matches all the differents type of loudness. I used them 
> without dificulties.
>> On 25 Aug 2017, at 10:34, Phil Muir  wrote:
>> 
>> Tools Alt T followed by the letter S for statistics.  You can then tab over
>> and copy the data to notepad and it will most likely look something like
>> this:
>> 
>>Left Channel
>> Right Channel   
>> Cursor position (Time)   00:00:00.000
>> 00:00:00.000
>> Sample value at cursor (dB)  -92.029
>> -90.585 
>> Minimum sample position (Time)   00:00:55.606
>> 00:01:08.721
>> Minimum sample value (dB)-1.021
>> -1.021  
>> Maximum sample position (Time)   00:00:56.092
>> 00:00:12.405
>> Maximum sample value (dB)-1.022
>> -1.022  
>> RMS level (dB)   -15.548
>> -15.556 
>> Average value (dB)   -Inf.
>> -Inf.   
>> Zero crossings (Hz)  1,703.44
>> 1,585.26
>> Maximum true peak sample position (Time) 00:02:21.047
>> 00:02:18.652
>> Maximum true peak sample value (dB)  -0.989
>> -0.993  
>> Maximum filtered true peak sample position (Time)00:00:16.736
>> 00:00:20.089
>> Maximum filtered true peak sample value (dB) -0.000
>> -0.186  
>> 
>> Integrated Loudness (LUFS)-12.24
>> Loudness Range (LU) 3.80
>> Maximum True Peak Loudness (dBTP)-0.99
>> Maximum Short-Term Loudness (LUFS)-10.13
>> Maximum Momentary Loudness (LUFS)-8.48
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Peter Bosher
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 14:22
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering
>> 
>> Hi Phil,
>> 
>> 
>> You wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11
>> 
>> How do you do that please?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: Thunderbolt or Firewire

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi in my opinion FireWire is pretty much dead, yes you still get the converters 
to connect FireWire devices to newer Mac's, but buying a new FireWire device at 
this stage when you can go for thunderbolt directly, won't be such a smart move.
Thunderbolt is much newer technology with much faster throughput and it will be 
supported for some time to come, where some manufacturers already started 
discontinuing support for FireWire.

As for your issue of only having one thunderbolt port, most fundable devices 
monitors, drives, and audio interfaces,  have more than one port on them which 
allows you to daisy chain devices.  Look for a interface with 2 Thunderbolt 
ports, run out off your computer into the interface, and out of the Interface 
into your monitor. 

Look at the Focusrite Clarett interfaces, just keep in mind from what I 
understand there Control software isn't accessible on the Mac. 



Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 25 Aug 2017, at 15:37, Phil Muir  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't matter really because firewire is still a good choice.  Also you are
> still future proofed because as long as there's thunderbolt then chances are
> you can get a firewire to thunderbolt converter and still use the firewire
> device.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Peter Bosher
> Sent: 25 August 2017 14:29
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Thunderbolt or Firewire
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
> Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
> port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
> connecting an interface?
> 
> 
> Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
> at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
> the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso]

Hello. In izotope rX, there is the izotope loudness control. There you have the 
pressets that matches all the differents type of loudness. I used them without 
dificulties.
> On 25 Aug 2017, at 10:34, Phil Muir  wrote:
> 
> Tools Alt T followed by the letter S for statistics.  You can then tab over
> and copy the data to notepad and it will most likely look something like
> this:
> 
>   Left Channel
> Right Channel   
> Cursor position (Time)00:00:00.000
> 00:00:00.000
> Sample value at cursor (dB)   -92.029
> -90.585 
> Minimum sample position (Time)00:00:55.606
> 00:01:08.721
> Minimum sample value (dB) -1.021
> -1.021  
> Maximum sample position (Time)00:00:56.092
> 00:00:12.405
> Maximum sample value (dB) -1.022
> -1.022  
> RMS level (dB)-15.548
> -15.556 
> Average value (dB)-Inf.
> -Inf.   
> Zero crossings (Hz)   1,703.44
> 1,585.26
> Maximum true peak sample position (Time)  00:02:21.047
> 00:02:18.652
> Maximum true peak sample value (dB)   -0.989
> -0.993  
> Maximum filtered true peak sample position (Time) 00:00:16.736
> 00:00:20.089
> Maximum filtered true peak sample value (dB)  -0.000
> -0.186  
> 
> Integrated Loudness (LUFS)-12.24
> Loudness Range (LU)3.80
> Maximum True Peak Loudness (dBTP) -0.99
> Maximum Short-Term Loudness (LUFS)-10.13
> Maximum Momentary Loudness (LUFS) -8.48
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Peter Bosher
> Sent: 25 August 2017 14:22
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> 
>  Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11
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> How do you do that please?
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RE: Thunderbolt or Firewire

[Phil Muir]

Doesn't matter really because firewire is still a good choice.  Also you are
still future proofed because as long as there's thunderbolt then chances are
you can get a firewire to thunderbolt converter and still use the firewire
device.

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Bosher
Sent: 25 August 2017 14:29
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Subject: Thunderbolt or Firewire

Hi All,


I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
connecting an interface?


Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?

Best,

Peter

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RE: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Phil Muir]

Tools Alt T followed by the letter S for statistics.  You can then tab over
and copy the data to notepad and it will most likely look something like
this:

Left Channel
Right Channel   
Cursor position (Time)  00:00:00.000
00:00:00.000
Sample value at cursor (dB) -92.029
-90.585 
Minimum sample position (Time)  00:00:55.606
00:01:08.721
Minimum sample value (dB)   -1.021
-1.021  
Maximum sample position (Time)  00:00:56.092
00:00:12.405
Maximum sample value (dB)   -1.022
-1.022  
RMS level (dB)  -15.548
-15.556 
Average value (dB)  -Inf.
-Inf.   
Zero crossings (Hz) 1,703.44
1,585.26
Maximum true peak sample position (Time)00:02:21.047
00:02:18.652
Maximum true peak sample value (dB) -0.989
-0.993  
Maximum filtered true peak sample position (Time)   00:00:16.736
00:00:20.089
Maximum filtered true peak sample value (dB)-0.000
-0.186  

Integrated Loudness (LUFS)  -12.24
Loudness Range (LU)  3.80
Maximum True Peak Loudness (dBTP)   -0.99
Maximum Short-Term Loudness (LUFS)  -10.13
Maximum Momentary Loudness (LUFS)   -8.48

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Sent: 25 August 2017 14:22
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Subject: Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

Hi Phil,


You wrote:


  Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11

How do you do that please?

Best,

Peter

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Thunderbolt or Firewire

[Peter Bosher]

Hi All,


I need to choose a new audio interface, and looking around suggests that 
Thunderbolt may be better than FireWire.   I only have one Thunderbolt 
port which is used by the monitor, so what would be the best way of 
connecting an interface?



Secondary question, do you have a recommendation for an interface with 
at least 4 (but not more than 8) independent inputs and MIDI in, from 
the likes of Focusrite or Mackie, whether TB or FW?


Best,

Peter

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Re: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Peter Bosher]

Hi Phil,


You wrote:


 Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11

How do you do that please?

Best,

Peter

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RE: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Phil Muir]

Hey Nickus.  That's one reason I still work in Windows as I can use the TT
Dynamic Range meter to check levels when mastering in Samplitude using
iZotopes oZone 6 Advanced.  Can also easily check LUFS in Sound Forge 11
again on Windows.  Don't know of any tools like this on Mac OS.  Also the TT
Dynamic range meter is now discontinued.  It's been replaced by the MAAT DR
Meter witch is inaccessible because it uses the Juce platform.  I have been
in touch with MAAT who develop this and there isn't anything that can be
done at the moment but they would like to make it accessible if at all
possible.  Really glad I have some great tools on Windows to do this.

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
of Nickus de Vos
Sent: 25 August 2017 11:53
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

Hi all
Are their anyone who found a usable loudness meter plug-in enabling you to
master to specific loudness standards? From time to time I must master some
things for TV or radio and I'm finding this harder and harder to do with the
enforcement of loudness standards getting more strict.

All these type plug-ins like Izotope Loudness Controll are purely visual,
making them impossible to use for a blind person. Anyone came across a semi
accessible plug-in or have some clever work around? I'm sure there are some
of you on this list who came across this problem before, I know there's
someone on here who does a lot of mastering, I can't remember the name now.

Nickus

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Accessible loudness meter plug-ins for mastering

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
Are their anyone who found a usable loudness meter plug-in enabling you to 
master to specific loudness standards? From time to time I must master some 
things for TV or radio and I’m finding this harder and harder to do with the 
enforcement of loudness standards getting more strict.

All these type plug-ins like Izotope Loudness Controll are purely visual, 
making them impossible to use for a blind person. Anyone came across a semi 
accessible plug-in or have some clever work around? I’m sure there are some of 
you on this list who came across this problem before, I know there’s someone on 
here who does a lot of mastering, I can’t remember the name now.

Nickus

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